TAB Episode 34: CETME AMELI Light Machine Gun

[@TheArmourersBench]

Thanks for watching guys, check out Vic's accompanying blog about the AMELI here: armourersbench.com/2018/11/30/the-cetme-ameli-light-machine-gun/ Thanks!

[@flanker1977]

A bit confused sir. You said the MG3(42?) uses a rotating bolt? I think that's not the case

[@TheArmourersBench]

Indeed, Vic mispoke, clarified in his accompanying blog. Thanks for watching!

[@flanker1977]

@@TheArmourersBench Thank you for the immediate answer! Subscribed!

[@GammaMorser]

@@TheArmourersBench Any Ameli sighted in Ukraine?

[@vncube1]

Who else agrees that this is the most aesthetically pleasing MG42/45 derivative? So slim and petite. Straight line receiver design with the unique Spanish furniture looks like Stoner and Sullivan tried to make their own buzzsaw!

[@Laotzu.Goldbug]

Much agreed. This, and the CETME L have always caught my eye. Really sharp looking guns

[@hoppinggnomethe4154]

This gun gives me Aliens' Colonial Marine vibes

[@anthonywilson4878]

The cutest machine gun

[@esa_armory]

Greetings all the way from Mexico 🇲🇽 I’m here to tell you that the AMELI is still in service with the Mexican marines as of 2019-2020. At least 2 pictures have surface in social media to back this fact. Loved the video, keep it up 👍🏽

[@TheArmourersBench]

Wonderful! Thank for letting us know that's very interesting. Thanks for watching!

[@TheMariodeblas]

Van para Ucrania estos días 🇪🇸❌🇪🇸

[@mrasbestos9127]

Desde los 90s tenían las AMELIs, hay fotos de ellas en Chiapas durante la insurgencia, belleza de ametralladora

[@angelatrevinomorales3855]

Did u have it in hands?

[@matthayward7889]

Another obscure, but favourite gun of mine! That Bren style magazine conversation... even more obscure. Brilliant episode.

[@TheFoxEssence]

This is one of the coolest MGs in my opinion! I just learned of it from a recommended video.

[@jesusalvarezbriones2001]

I was in the paratrooper brigade in Spain.They sent us to test the ameli and one of the failures that we found was a bipod that broke a lot when making body to ground, otherwise it was a great general-purpose machine gun, I don't know why not They ended up integrating it throughout the army (fixing the bipod failure, of course). Thanks and regards to all.

[@TheArmourersBench]

Gracias for sharing your recollections, it's always great to hear from people who handled them in service.

[@belisariocastro8315]

the SUSAT optical sight, and other adaptations such as reinforcing the sides and an adapter for the different fitting of the ammunition box, so that the ammunition could enter better and avoid interruptions, were adaptations made internally in the Tercio de Armada de Infanteria de Marina. I had the privilege of bringing the first rectified AMELIs to my mission in Bosnia in 2001, and they were the best weapon I have ever tried. Its 100% reliability and its precision thanks to its susat viewer, allowed our expert shooters to put burst after burst in 50x50 cm at more than 600 m. With one weapon in each 4-man fire team, this weapon makes a difference in combat

[@TheArmourersBench]

Thank you for sharing, love hearing the experiences of those who have used the weapons.

[@TheGrenadier97]

Great video on an absolute masterpiece. Spain did a fantastic job.

[@armandgun]

Hi there, great video! Thank you for sharing. To your friend who purchased remaining inventory from cetme upon their dissolution, if he had any interest in parting with rifles, I could be able to import them to our licensed media/film armament business in Canada. We would certainly look to preserve and catalogue.

[@eduardorgm7349]

Pretty interesting, thanks for sharing, I was in the Spanish Marine Corps decades ago, and I remember the Ameli, it worked pretty well , nice memories....

[@TheArmourersBench]

Thanks for watching. The reputation some of the CETME guns have gain may well be unkind, we also have a video looking at a CETME L comparing it to an HK.

[@perkerred58]

Es una basura de arma .

[@Peter-ox7wh]

That was a really good machine gun made here in Spain,the first ones were awesome,then as everything we do here due to the politicians we start cutting cost and the last ones were garbage. And now here in Spain the only gun companies that I can tell you is Bergara.

[@thespanishinquisition4078]

Hello from Cadiz. I utterly felt that "as everything we do here" part. And it really is specially the tale of every bloody weapon. Ameli, great design, horrible materials. CETME amazing design, the C version "el chopo" is one of the best rifles in existance, then they made the L to cut costs. Beautiful rifle, quite iconic, can't fucking launch 5 bullets without jamming. Got 5 billion subversions cause every soldier had to fix it their own way. Worst part is it ain't just guns. And it ain't just weapons. I can't fucking count how many spanish products share the tale of "amazing design, really well thought out. But then we cut costs, which fucked it up. And then everyone had to kinda figure out how to fix it on their own so now we have no concept of "standard" anymore." For instance that's what's going on with the public Bolsas de Trabajo. It's a nightmare to try and make that program work. And it is so because the original implementation was great, but then they fucking sent the program to the lowest bidder, who butchered it, and now the informatics of every public organization fixed it their own way, so the SAS bolsa's coding looks almost nothing like the coding from any other healthcare service's bolsa, and they all got their own unique ways of sending the poor fools trying to make sense of it to a bloody insane asylum. With good reason the Tercios just wound up having to kinda agree on letting everyone do whatever they wanted and just throwing the basic at them. Might as well let people embrace the chaos from minute 1, and get the good parts of the customization without having to go through the pain first.

[@j.b.2263]

No. The first ones where also shxt. I was one of the lucky/unlucky ones to get to test it. We had one that its feed cover opened up and spreaded pieces everywhere while firing. Not a nice experience.

[@rmichaelzachary8574]

This SAW with quality materials and manufacture may be one of the best designs available. The Spanish didn't do it justice. The M249 is a pass, and the Negev is its functional improvement. But the Ameli with weight, firepower, simplicity is just the design once you manufacture it right - whether you wish to produce it in 5.56N, 5.45, 5.8, 7.62x39 or any other intermediate caliber which could be standardized, the Ameli will do it and perhaps better.

[@lucignolo8333]

Wow another gem, keep up the good work guys

[@TheArmourersBench]

Thank you! we will do our best :)

[@gordilibisosa3212]

OLÉ Y VIVA ESPAÑA POR SU INGENIERIA.

[@angelomercolino3880]

Ya gut es una ingegneria Germania deutcheland ignorante no spagnola. In Spagna sono venuti quelli che lavoravano nelle fabbriche tedesche voi spagnoli avete solo copiato. Allora grida sigh heil sigh heil sigh heil o taci che è meglio.

[@countrysamurai]

This is the pinnacle of small arms development. One of my dream guns.

[@diablodamien1475]

Thanks Vic , never new this existed !

[@observed00]

Keep the good stuff coming. Thank you.

[@TheArmourersBench]

Thanks Nick, we'll do our best!

[@adventuresinrewlds]

wow great video. I learned so much thanks for taking the time to do this.

[@TheArmourersBench]

Thanks Brett, very glad you enjoyed it, hope you subbed, lots more in the pipeline. - Matt

[@uazfoursixnine]

great episode!

[@TheArmourersBench]

Thank you for watching!

[@LUIZ.527]

Thanks for upload the vídeo.

[@TheArmourersBench]

Thanks for watching!

[@Laotzu.Goldbug]

I don't know why, but I've always had a real thing for the Aesthetics of this machine gun, as well as the CETME L. Maybe it's just that very cool green color, and the unusual and unique sculpting on the polymer stock and grip. It just looks so nicely put together. It's a shame that cost-cutting and political maneuvering made both of these firearms into a shadow of what they could have been, but the looks are absolutely on point.

[@largol33t1]

Just crazy, it was based on the reliable AND combat proven MG42/MG3 platform. From all the comments I've heard, every Spaniard pointed the blame at politicians for interfering with its development. Now I believe them since no country outside Spain seems to use this and even the Spanish Army doesn't seem to have one mounted on every tank or APC in their inventory.

[@elitearbor]

Oh, great... accessories... yes, because just making a functioning semi-auto clone wasn't enough work! I kid, I kid, I'm delighted to see yet more on this. So far I've been humming along without knowing many of the lyrics. This fills things in nicely.

[@TheArmourersBench]

That adaptor should be a piece of cake to make haha.

[@TheArmourersBench]

BTW, don't 'hint' too much😉

[@setituptoblowitup]

Fascinating machine gun.

[@rectodanacol9017]

Buen arma . Muy rápida y ligera . Con corrección de tiro a ráfagas tenía mala fama en las ejército de Tierra por tener versión mg3 que consideraban mejor al refrigerarse más rapido

[@95TeggyRS]

Ludwig Vorgrimler (a designer of most of the cetme series) had an early project dealing with converting the mg42 into a roller delayed blowback.(its kinda his thing) they then cranked this bad boy out after many years of tinkering

[@Bert2368]

OMG! WHO ARE YOU?! I have heard that in previous ages, there were many more genius level writers than were ever known to subsequent generations as those time's physical publishing capabilities did not allow very many authors to be supported. We have surpassed those historical limitations on presenting authors to the general public. And I LOVE the new diversity of authors available for me to view/read!!! Also: WTF. Why was this family of weapons designs not further developed? I could make a successor to the MG42/MG45/AMELI family with the equipment at my disposal. And bloody well SHOULD.

[@newhuskytwenty]

13:45 How to convert a belt feed machinegun into a modern Bren Ten counterpart. I never saw that and greetings from Spain, saludos desde España.

[@jussayinmipeece1069]

i can see a modern update of that MG with polymer and lightweight molly steel or aluminum . Probably could take off another 4 pounds off that gun. Then improve accuracy with a better bipod and a free floating barrel. Skeletonized adjustable, foldable buttstock as well. Maybe even redesign the feeding mechanism for faster reloading by tilting the top cover sideways instead of upwards and dispensing with that ridiculous mag adopter.

[@nicodemusnichols1860]

Can't wait to use mine

[@kinobi911]

Hello this gun is based on the System like the Cetme L or G3 or the SIG STG57 this is a roller locked gun too and i am sad that Vic forgott about a Masterpiece ... he can call it G2 the second gun that the Bundeswehr mentioned to go with but it was to heavy for nato specs...

[@Mrkeats5487]

Love this platform wish I could have a day on the range with one 🥳

[@segundocano3055]

Buen video !!

[@frankbettis4865]

I have to wonder what if Heckler and Koch got ahold of this and made it twice as durable and worked all the bugs out. Probably would be a hell of a great lmg.

[@rudolfsenger5073]

Nice video, nice gzn! BUT there is no rotating bolt in the mg 42 like said there!

[@Choo-ew9so]

Much like the CETME L series, if CETME/Santa Barbara had stuck with the first version and updated it along the way it would still be a player today. Imagine if the US had stopped the AR15/M16 in 1965....would have been a shame. That's sort of what happened here with last generation CETME's in all forms....politics and cost cutters/scammers ruined them. All the CETME really needed was new springs and better mags along with optics rails...easy fixes. Instead they went with the plastic G36 which opened a new can of worms. Now Spain no longer makes its own guns and is dependent on NATO...this will bite them some day.

[@thespanishinquisition4078]

About G36: reason it got adopted was also just the fact it's considerably cheaper than a good CETME would've been. Same as why germany adopted it. Their prior gun was better but was rejected due to weight and price. G36's biggest claim to fame is quite simply it's really fucking cheap to make. A CETME for that price range... well would've basically been the exact same rifle actually. Since they are almost identical in design already. But hey, good news. Many "G36E" factories are here and its basically not even an import in all but name at this point. So really if relations with HK break down we have all the gear to keep making them anyway.

[@freevbucks8019]

They still make them for the navy.

[@ismaelgomezortega2202]

Amelia 5,56 mm fue un buen diseño con excelentes prestaciones pero al abaratar el precio por unidad se recurrieron a materiales deficientes dando como resultado numerosos fallos. Fue el mismo caso que el CETME L. En consecuencia: los prototipos y preseries de evaluación eran extraordinarios pero a un precio el doble que sus competidores.

[@nickbownz]

did you ever get that pin to go in?

[@TheArmourersBench]

Yes, off air😄

[@TheArmourersBench]

Feel free to jump in the discord for live chat about the AMELI! - discord.gg/DAjRSBc

[@antdte.5523]

García Morato PRESENTE!!

[@joewboe]

I wonder if we will ever see these as parts kits in the states

[@howardfortyfive9676]

12.16.2018 Always a day late and a dollar short. Were I lucky enuf 2 have one of these I would call mine *Emily.* Vic do I hear a Scot accent or is that English? I've been fond of machine guns since the days of SGT ROCK comic books. That's a fine gun room you're privy to and it's soooo TIDY!! Cheers from across the pond mate.

[@l2a3sterling]

Is really cool. It will be a future paintball project. I was going to do a Stoner type paintball marker because of the Bren Gun appearance and top loading mag. This Gun features assemblies from two popular light machine guns. Bren and Mg42 My paintball version will probably have a ventilated Barrel jacket and a wooden butt stock more like a MG34. The magazine it's already made in the paintball industry but it only holds 20 rounds. This project is ideal because you don't have the length of a real mg42 which would be quite awkward for paintball. And belt feed cannot work in paintball.

[@dewafrost]

For Malaysia, only the NAVY Commando (PASKAL) who use this weapon, only on small numbers....

[@muhammeddulger3463]

Lovely

[@papayo3385]

Muy buena arma pero al abaratar costes en la fabricación la destrozarón, una verdadera pena porque no hubo visión empresarial

[@RyTrapp0]

Sounds like the story of the M60, if it were 5.56 and had only a fraction of the investment in continued development...

[@kaiiyzz_z]

Evil eye is ready!

[@dmitryswarog199]

good machine gun for shooting down air targets

[@63grandsport11]

Thanks for taking a 5 minute break and turning it into 15 minutes.

[@duanabsa9993]

It's a shame the cut-off was done on such a beautiful gun.

[@MOHOANTOBEU]

This isnt flashider this is recoil amplifier

[@lefunnyN1]

muzzle booster?

[@comedylyfe2113]

The matador machinegun!

[@borkwoof696]

This gun really should have been good

[@minhducnguyen674]

Great idea, bad execution. If only they invested more in the later update end adjustment

[@cesarmaldonado2668]

Look at my Evil Eye!

[@robbyantonius2418]

My evil eye is so very ready

[@MG-ks1qg]

I want to see that gun with a beta mag on it

[@ismaelgomezortega2202]

Buen diseño pero resultaba muy cara. Para solventarlo se decidió usar materiales de calidad inferior a los prototipos y el resultado fue un desastre. Exactamente lo mismo que pasó con el CETME L.

[@TheArmourersBench]

Yes indeed an old story when it comes to gun manufacturing. Thank you for watching!

[@dmorles]

Reminds me of the MG3

[@mikehurtado4772]

El HK G3 es un CETME

[@badas45]

Just like the mg42 and MG3 the bipod leaves much to be desired

[@pistonar]

You never know what's going to be successful in the small arms world, but it's too bad that such a light and simple system wasn't more widespread or long lived. Quality control is everything if you want your product to be successful. Make cuts, reduce quality, and you don't make a product for long. I'd like to see some company resurrect this and move it forward into the times.

[@FrostyShock349]

Given the fear the original has driven, you'd think this would be more successful

[@danielfarina3171]

Very, Very good machine gun made in Spain, HK =C. E. T. M. E, with enginery German

[@larrymccoy5394]

The german Enginner only stay during 50 s not when this weapon was design. The team of Santa Barbara

[@larrymccoy5394]

And only work with 15 spanish enginners in Cetme A not Cetme B, C

[@danielfarina3171]

@@larrymccoy5394 15 Spanish C.E.T.M.E.engineers and only two German engineers from Mauser (not HK), who thanks to the Spanish government were able to settle down and live in Spain freely

[@danielfarina3171]

Resultados de la búsqueda Resultado de traducción Español Inglés Yes, of course, the German engineers were only at the beginning, then the factory followed the course, the Cetme L and the Ameli machine gun was much later, but the Ameli (light machine gun) is based on the MG 42 machine gun, ok

[@estrellapiojoguanzon8571]

The mg42's child lol

[@DonVadko]

Недавняя имба Варзоны

[@deanmohamed795]

From what I knew, Pakistan even manufactured this weapon for its military forces....

[@thespanishinquisition4078]

Pakistan manufactures EVERYTHING. Or poor clones of everything.

[@TheMariodeblas]

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