CETME-L History & Disassembly

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The CETME-L was Spain's replacement for the CETME Modelo C, which was the 7.62x51mm rifle that was essentially adopted by Germany as the G3 in the 1950s. By the 1980s Spain needed to move to the new NATO standard caliber, 5.56x45mm. A domestic design was preferred, so rather than but HK-93 rifles from Germany the Spanish military opted to bring back a development project that had begun back in 1971.
The CETME Modelo L uses the exact same operating system as the Modelo C and the HK 91/93, but because its design was run independently by Spain it shares few interchangeable parts. Most notably, the cocking handle tube and receiver top have a square profile, rather than round. The magazine well was intended to use STANAG magazines, but was not particularly well designed and has a very steep and abrupt feed angle. This, combined with quality control issues in rifle and magazine manufacture led to substantial reliability problems.
The final development was completed between 1982 and 1984, with production beginning in 1986 and the full run or about 100,000 rifles finished in 1991. By 1996 the deficiencies with the rifle were clear, and the Spanish military held replacement trials, which would result in the H&K G36E being adopted in 1999 to replace the Modelo L.
The CETME-L design, if built correctly, is a reasonably good one, although rather old-fahsioned by the late 1980s. It lacked the modularity to allow use of modern optical sights, lasers, attached grenade launchers, and other accessories that were becoming common. This is likely due to the design originating more than a decade earlier - had it been introduced in the early 1970s it would have been much more timely.
In addition to this standard Modelo L, two other versions were also used in smaller numbers. The Modelo LC was a carbine variant with a shorter barrel and collapsing stock, and the Modelo LV was an marksman's variant with a STANAG optics rail incorporated into its different type of rear sight.
Thanks to Hill & Mac Gunworks for letting me take a look at this rifle!

[@RenIanabie]

Fun fact: every Spanish soldier soon learned that the dirt this rifle can generate is almost insane. Due to this, we used to jokingly say that CETME means Cada Esquina Tiene Mierda Escondida (roughly meaning Each Hole Has Hidden Shit).

[@tombogan03884]

Is that stiff selector switch typical ? Or did Ian just get a bad one ?

[@Gearparadummies]

One of the biggest issues I had with the rifle was precisely the magazine well. In order to cut costs, magazines were meant to be discarded after a couple uses. Being sorely underfunded, the Spanish military ordered its troops to keep them until they were no longer usable, causing a lot of problems. Those of us stationed at joint based bartered with US personnel to get a few M16 ones and painted them Army green. They wouldn't pass close inspection-we kept the original mags for that-but it got us past firing drills without getting grounded for the weekend.

[@miguelangelsimonfernandez5498]

Sorry Ian. I did military service with both the C and the L in Spain. The original CETME-L production guns did have interruption issues (not the prototypes) , in fact, more than one would like. The C model was a dream to shoot. Another thing you point out about that long 7.62 early caliber. It did perform well, however, that long and light bullet ( did see the whole ammo collection at a friend's) was unofficially used in the spanish IFNI colony in the spanish Sahara against rebels. It had very good terminal ballistics but could infringe the Geneva convention. Another reason was that having NATO 7,62 and the possibility to join the organization it was wiser to adopt that

[@mikemcdougall2435]

Best damn KZbin channel period. The weapons, the history, the stories, the production value, the professionalism, and knowledge. All unmatched.

[@mattdickson2]

it is certainly one of the best. However i believe it is tied with the great war channel and C&Rsenal

[@mikemcdougall2435]

+Matt Dickson Ah yes two of my other favorite channels.

[@Steveindajeep]

You ass, now i have more channels to suck up my precious work time! Seriously, thanks, enjoying C&R.

[@MrShooter16]

But most of all, quite a colossal amount of the firearms on this channel are iconic, legendary and even if some of those are neither, they have a small legacy on those, you know? A good example is the CETME in this video, looks really great but is not as recognized as the G3, which was based on this, except that had 7,62x51 NATO ;)

[@TXiCN]

also has a very polite and respectable viewer base :)

[@Leander_]

CETME-L disassembly guide: ..and then you-.. just kinda wiggle this piece.. it's going, I swear-.. alright, yeah, okay... cool, got it, piece of cake.

[@Sammael66685]

Pre-EU Spanish Engineering at it's finest!

[@johnkelinske1449]

Pretty much covers it. If you have a low frustration/aggravation level, or don't like fooling with quirky sometimes oddball old guns, best steer clear of this one. I do confess I like my Malcomar version, it is a fun gun to shoot once you get it dialed in.

[@cooper10182]

Looks to me its only field strip is the bolt to clean the rifle and everything else was meant for armory strip.

[@densealloy]

Don't forget...wonky🤣

[@joedoe842]

Right lol century c308 was super easy to take a part

[@eduardorgm7349]

I really appreciate you took your time to do this video, It is quite interesting, long time I did not see one of this, it was my service rifle in the time I was in the Spanish Marine Corps about 20 years ago. I agree with most things you mention in the first part of the video. I was instructor and shot many ones, but believe me, we changed it by the HK because the malfunctions in this gun were terrible, the design is just a small version of CETME C, the prototypes were excellent and reliable, in fact some foreign countries were about to adopt it, UK bought some ones once the rifle was in production, and they returned all of them due to the malfunctions. In the marine corps we tested it and sent a lot of modifications to the manufacturer, the company produced a special version for the the marine corps called LV, and that worked really fine, but I am talking about just a thousand rifles or so, the cool thing of the CETME LV is that was the same SUSAT scope as the SA80 at that time. The main problem really was the bad quality of the materials and the reduction of quality controls in the manufacturing process to reduce the production price the result was a disaster, every soldier in Spain knows that this is the reallity and it was recognized by the army many times. I remember many of them that simply broke the notch of the magazine and the magazine was fully inserted passing the chamber and things like that, many many brass ejections problems and things like that, in summary, a disaster... There was a short version called CETME LC for CQB, vehicles , etc, with collapsible stock, that for some strange reason worked flawlessly, but nobody knew why really... Anyway, nice to see my old "friend" again :) thanks for sharing and a hug from Spain to all US weapon enthusiasts that can use "our" guns, since in Spain 223 is a caliber forbidden for civilians, so we can not buy these rifles as surplus in any manner... This was the CETME LC 2.bp.blogspot.com/-i3Nt7wKfon4/Ul1yjfMP5WI/AAAAAAAAEAQ/ZO39C8XQWV4/s400/Cetme+LC.jpg And this other one the CETME LV 3.bp.blogspot.com/-GzFPyX3F14A/Ul1ylgg7mrI/AAAAAAAAEBI/E2-abv60Ack/s400/Con+LV.jpg

[@operator6942]

Efectivamente la mayor parte de lo que dices es verdad. Lo que devolvieron los marines ingleses fue la ameli, muy buena en preproducción, muy mala en producción. En el año 1988 ya la infantería de marina tenía un dossier como de dos dedos de gordo de los fallos. Yo mismo tuve que hacer un informe aquel año. Tal fue la nula aceptación, que se compró una partida de m16 como medida de presión ante el minisdef. Por motivos políticos y de autarquía y sobre todo debido a que los del ejercito nos lo metieron con calzador (igual que la pistola llama) tuvimos que usarlo con unos pocos detalles externos como el visor susat que también se usó en la ameli.

[@diktatoralexander88]

I love the retro look, this is the most 80s looking thing ever.

[@lothar29]

this was my weapon when I was in the Spanish Legion.. 1997/2000

[@Gearparadummies]

Mine too. Infantería de Marina. 1995-96.

[@alvarohernani6645]

I friend of my uncle did the mili with it. He said that it was so heavy that he preferred carrying a donkey rather than the CETME

[@TheSasepit98]

@@alvarohernani6645 Si sois los 3 españoles que coño haceis hablando en inglés?

[@TheSasepit98]

@@Gearparadummies Por cierto que casualidad verte por aqui jajaja

[@alvarohernani6645]

@@TheSasepit98 para que los demás puedan entender

[@RCZM64]

The extra position is not for dissassembly (for that, just wiggle it until you get it), but for the trigger packs that had an additional 3-round burst position past full auto (not many of those built). The selector is not universally that hard to move. It is sometimes, and in others it fell to full under recoil. One of the quality control problems by late 90's. About the hot ammo, a NATO ¿order? back then forbid using Santa Barbara ammo on any gas operated rifle amd warnings were issued not to swap ammo in joint exercises. We could use other ammo without problem, but reliability issues were always there. On the adoption of the G36, rumor mill back then (known as "Radio Macuto" in spanish military service) was that it was adopted as compensation for having sold Santa Barbara to General Dynamics (instead to Kraus-Maffei). Since Leopard 2 tanks had to be built under license there (and by a rival company!), it was part of a "compensation package" of sorts.

[@jscott099]

Just purchased a CETME LV/S from MarColMar Firearms. These are rebuilds using a mix of US made parts (receiver, barrel, etc) and Spanish surplus. Feels solid and will have it on the range soon to check out shooting quality.

[@charles_wipman]

The CETME L was an unrealiable weapon, used to jam alot by two main reasons A) low power ammo B) magazine spring, some had issues with the recoil spring too; the bolt catch could be relased with a slap on the body of the weapon, the bakelite stock can break when going prone using the stock, i'd seen that three times, also seen two pistol grips break during the instruction. The ET marking means Ejército de Tierra (Land Army) and the Armada ones had FN (Fuerza Naval), that one seem to be a mid production one, the latest one had M16A2 bird cage flash hiders; still in use in small number by the Army and Armada, Marine Infantry too, also by the Guardia Civil. The outside of the barrel and the metal of the hand guard had heavy corrosion issues, if you fired some magazines and rest the weapon verticaly with the barrel aganist a wall and let it cool down... you could bend the barrel, it had Safe, Semi, Burst, Full-Auto & Dissasembly possitions. I had a lot of fun with that piece of crap.

[@3.2Carrera]

Ian: I got my build from HMG a few weeks ago and it's a great rifle for sure. Thanks for turning me on to them.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Awesome, glad to hear it!

[@smart00ass00inc]

I've spoken to a veteran from the Spanish legion. He told me he loved this gun, and that it's bad reputation comes from other army units who kept them in warehouses, untended to and not cleaned several times per day - as legionaries will do-

[@ultra4thgenpablo]

Exactly. I have been on the military troops during 6 years since 2001 (Paratroopers/Brigada Paracaidista black berets) We clean every day our CETME L and never had a problem. I love this assault rifle. After that, in late 2001 the german G36 arrived. What a plastic shit!!!

[@joaquinandreu8530]

Most probably the reason is that the Legion got, like the Guardia Civil, the good quality batch. The conscript army (in the 80's) got the low quality batch. When the army went profesional in the 90's, they all switched to G-36. The Guardia Civil still uses the Cetme L and they work great.

[@flematicoreformandose5046]

Greetings from Spain! I used CETME-L when I was in the spanish army.

[@nopenopenopenope194]

I have read from Spanish ex-military that the CETME L mags were crap and were swapped out with US or any other NATO mag by the Spanish soldiers... then jealously guarded.

[@paugarcia2750]

Yeah, they are right. At that time they tried to save money reducing quality and using cheap materials... and they did a total mess. Cetme L was an example of it, the machine CETME Ameli is another. The Amelie was a really really good design, they even won a competition to arm the british special forces, but when they received the ordered batch was in such poor conditions they returned it LOL what a shame.

[@Altheniar]

Theres a joke abaut the real meaning of CETME. Cada Esquina Tiene Mierda Escondida. It can be transleted like: Every Corner Have Filth Hiden.

[@Gearparadummies]

Cada esquina y la bocacha doble y más difícil de ver(Para ti, el Brigada la pillaba a la primera)

[@staringgasmask]

Eso no se decia con el modelo C... Ese era chopo y punto

[@litorres4125]

Altheniar also every corner with shit hidden

[@armr6937]

Every Corner Has Shit Hidden

[@TomasPabon]

Cuando Estan Tirando, Me Escondo

[@ramjb]

That's a pretty nice video out of one of my country's weapons. Sadly, not the greatest...the CETME-L was truly bad. the malfunctions you had while firing it weren't due to the ammo you were using; the weapon itself was to blame and I doubt you'd have had a stoppage-free run of firing out of a whole mag full of the best quality ammo you could use. The reasons are simple, manufacturing was not up to par. While the first series of the rifle were pretty well built, most of the production run was done with very bad manufacturing standards and low quality materials. I've heard friends who were in the army tell absolutely horrific stories about this rifle (the one that impressed me the most was of a particular event in a shooting range when out of a whole mag only 7 rounds were fired without a malfunction). Those of the first runs, however, reportedly performed well, had no such trouble, and I think they're still in use by the spanish Guardia Civil. The whole point is that the G36 was adopted because the spanish army's main rifle was pretty much unable to fire five rounds in a row without jamming. The CETME-L might be one of the worst assault rifles ever produced that actually went on to be standard issue in any army,in fact, due to the manufacturing problems with it. A far cry off the original CETME-C (the so-called "chopo") which I've never heard a bad word about (other than it being very heavy and kicking like a mule on steroids on full auto XD). I hope you can find one of those to make one of this videos ;) ;).

[@xpainx5185]

The "Chopo" was hard as a rock. You could abuse it to crazy extremes and still working fine. I also remember that I heard the cannon if this weapon become crooked when it comes hot.

[@tehOGRE]

Ian & Karl build two Cetme-L's on inrange.tv they got them running pretty smooth, also interesting to watch the build of that thing.

[@darklighter8968]

Basicamente en vez de ponerse en pompa y dejar que nos follen los alemanes, podian haber puesto en forma las fabricas y a los huevones que las dirigian, pero no, esto señores es España. El diseño del fusil como tal es extremadamente bueno y fiable, si no fuera por que las piezas parecian haber sido fabricadas por gitanos con resaca.

[@FlymanStereophonic]

@@darklighter8968 tal cual... Teníamos una industria en ese sentido bastante prometedora si se hubiese continuado en la línea de trabajo del chopo... Pero acabamos con un Fusil mediocre... Y bueno, mejor no hablamos de la AMELI... No?

[@granaino127]

Habláis aquí algunos como si España en la actualidad no tuviese industria puntera en el sector militar...

[@jonasjeaggi4575]

The Norwegian G3 variant (AG3 made by Kongsberg) has a grooved cutout on the bolt carrier to action as a forward assist, though i was told this was for "silent" bolt closing, and we were taught to rack the bolt in case of failure to go into battery

[@kasperlindstrom9990]

The first gun this made me think of was the FNC... then the G3... after that I just got the feeling of wanting this just for the looks. It really has a battle rifle look to it, and it's similar to two guns I've seen quite a bit here in Sweden, the AK4 and AK5 or our G3 and FNC.

[@BobtheHobo324]

Other than the sights and the stock, this gun is very aesthetically pleasing. It looks really cool.

[@SargentoDuke]

G36 iron sights are based on Cetme-L

[@BobtheHobo324]

@@SargentoDuke not really. I was more talking about the sight protectors not being as aesthetically pleasing as the rest of the rifle when I made this comment 4 years ago.

[@fjarandag]

Your did a great explanation, and I learned new things about the rifle I used when I did my service in 98-99. The cheek in tongue interpretation for CETME was "Cada Esquina Tiene Mierda Escondida" (Every corner has hidden crap). I heard the tale that the Model L did great in the design workshops and firing ranges, but once it was mass produced it became worse than expected. Not the most reliable weapon, but that's not a bad thing for drilling, just to stress that the weapon must be kept in as good condition as possible.

[@ZoneofA]

Karl with a different beard every time. How he does it nobody knows.

[@bigfutus]

Time travel or magic, we may never know.

[@zloychechen5150]

Karl is kool.

[@Anonymous8421]

​@@zloychechen5150 this comment aged horribly :(

[@3.2Carrera]

I just got the upgraded spring kit from HMG for the firing pin, disconnector, and hammer. The springs are much more robust than the stock ones. Not too bad of a job, but it took me a while since it was my first time digging into the trigger pack. HMG's improvements in a few places seem to have made this a really reliable platform.

[@alejandrog553]

CETME-C was a very good weapon, very reliable and powerful. I think CETME-L version was cheaper only for mandatory militar service use. Only for practice and not for war.

[@staringgasmask]

Nah, it was because of the crisis

[@allain98productions]

En México siguen usando el G3, prácticamente un CETME C hecho en Alemania. Intentaron reemplazarlo por un fusil de manufactura local, el cual es bueno excepto en condiciones de calor.

[@rickey5353]

This rifle has more issues than a news stand.

[@AFpaleoCon]

I love the look of this thing. It looks so good.

[@SuperMarshall2009]

I really like videos like this, because parts kits for these are still on the market and it gives us some inspiration for us that like to build some of these oddball guns. Thanks Guys.

[@cocopud]

Wow! The sound of that thing firing on the range through my rather bass heavy headphones was incredible 😎

[@seven-sixtwo762]

looks like a G3 and an M16 had alone time in the gun safe....

[@coitusergosum2447]

It was named after what the G3 said to the M16. "Sex Me". But that was too inappropriate, so they went with CETME instead.

[@seven-sixtwo762]

+Coitus Ergo Sum idk but it looks more like an FNC...

[@larrymccoy5394]

@@seven-sixtwo762 The G3 is licence weapon of first CETME

[@Adamulos]

Apart from the rear sight this thing looks amazing. And we appreciate.

[@Harbingerofd00m]

20:00 "You gotta get it in the hole, and then you gotta jam it forward." Phrasing, lol.

[@anomilumiimulimona2924]

Harbingerofd00m, that's what she said!!!

[@DrJiKentauriuzHero]

It's a very nice looking rifle. And it does look like it has a thin profile. I've never shot a gun before, much less owned one. But like that guy before me said, it's like this gun is whispering to my ear, "you must have me".

[@seriousGeex]

I like how Ian scratched up the table XD Still a very informative and good video!

[@handlebullshit]

Regarding the safety being really stiff, It's the shaft of the safety lever rubbing on the reciever, just smack it from the outside and it will pop into place and work much smoother.

[@Aldebaran80]

The best was CETME C named "Chopo"

[@josej489]

Las primeras remesas salieron buenas o normalitas, pero las siguientes rebajaron el coste de material y se encasquillaba. No así con el CETME LC de culatin abatible para Guardia Civil y cuerpos militares especiales, que salieron muy buenos. El mío al menos era buenísimo, con excelente precisión incluso en ráfaga y sin encasquillarse. Solo después de muchos tiros iba perdiendo precisión, pero había un truco para eso. Otra ventaja con la que mucha gente no estará de acuerdo es el acerrojamiento por rodillos semirigidos, es más fiable y acerroja mejor, pero pesa más.

[@PepeBote11a]

Mi father used one like this during his obligatory military service in the 80s in spain

[@alexdemoya2119]

Early grey tea, honey, a new video from Gun Jesus. Ultimate bliss.

[@olddirtyburt7522]

thanks for taking one for the team

[@chadbarrett3545]

So what we have learned is the Spanish have very strong hands.

[@mattarndt841]

Gotta love the technical terminology here. Wiggly jiggly.

[@Balbis1333]

my hears just hurt watching this can't imagine what it was like in person

[@Feiora]

IT seems like with just alittle more refinement, a new sighting system and a new guard that could accommodate attachments this would have been a perfectly good rifle assuming that better quality control could be attained...

[@ALegitimateYoutuber]

Would be cool to see you do a video on the old, experimental, and forgotten ammo. Because that bullet you talked about at the start sounded super interesting, and I know there have been others you mentioned before but never really talked about. Just saying would be neat, since some extremely good rounds have been made before but fo some reason never got adapted even though they were the best option. So hearing about the successful failures and the failures and the forgotten would be nice.

[@Fuckitheclown6]

I like how it can balance on it's own mag even when it's empty

[@lowtierhuman69]

i really like that it balances on the magazine. how neat and tidy.

[@Choo-ew9so]

Most of the problems with these were fairly simple fixes. Biggest issue was the Spanish mags, they run great with US GI mags.....and sometimes they have weak extractor springs, which is another easy fix. Upgrade these and they will run as as good as an H&K.

[@caseyterrence1606]

Pretty cool rifle. Looks like a future sci-fi weapon. I do love me some OD Green.

[@fernandoguzmanfernandez3466]

Mine was ET100907 in bootcamp and ET115400 during my service in airborne brigade BRIPAC. We clean them as maniacs; and NEVER had a jam. The LC was even better.

[@darkspire91]

Jesus, that reverb with each shot. Was he shooting space distortion rounds or something?

[@ultramagnus4374]

darkspire91 it’s why I hate indoor ranges

[@luisloya1120]

Yes Jesus is lord and Saviour. Blessed is the Holy name of Jesus.🙏🙏🙏

[@horizob]

We, the inhabitants of videoland, respect and admire you, Karl, for the sacrifice of shooting an original Spanish assault rifle! :)

[@Frankdude72]

For some reason in your list of videos it was posted sequentially with some much older videos. Glad I scrolled down to watch though. Very interesting. Always been curious about the L, even after I heard the Spanish Marines were replacing it (it seems temporarily, pre-G36) with the M16 due to reliability issues. You always take things up several notches above what my books can describe. Thanks Ian.

[@ForgottenWeapons]

It's listed there because I filmed and uploaded this a while back, and waited to publish it until now.

[@Jesses001]

Yes, that rifle defiantly likes hotter ammo. The high speed footage shows the bolt is barely making it back far enough, and that first malfunction was an under powered round. I really love how this rifle looks. I wish they became popular on the surplus market because I would love to have one.

[@thespanishinquisition4078]

Well 3 years later they kinda have. At least the building kits. Yay

[@Jesses001]

@@thespanishinquisition4078 Ha yes, they are starting to show up more and more.

[@danjacques1259]

"Wiggily Jiggily" Ian always uses the best terminology!

[@19piolin82]

Saca el CETME C, eso si que era una maravilla.

[@brandon956]

Damn Ian you were really banging this thing around lol

[@hvymtal8566]

looks remarkably similar to a G41, another forgotten weapon you'll hopefully come across at some point :)

[@trancamortal]

The forward assist is intended for closing the bolt silently, or as silently as possible, so not to alert your for you are after him

[@mphelps1013]

Less forward assist, more forward helper-outer. But once again Ian, Ace Vid. And thanks to Karl for "taking one for the team". I'm guessing he didn't have to be asked twice.

[@lafeelabriel]

Hope your shoulder recovers Ian. Nice video ^^

[@ForgottenWeapons]

It has - I filmed this a while back.

[@lafeelabriel]

Forgotten Weapons Glad to hear it :)

[@impassivelion1393]

Some memories from my time in service. CEMTE guns were heavy and uncomfortable but eventually you learn to love them.

[@Hydrora]

Greetings from Spain!

[@AtheistOrphan]

Hola!

[@rickeyryan303]

Hey do you guys have shitty guns laws over there like rest of EU?..

[@Hydrora]

Yeah, they are quite restrictive over here.

[@smart00ass00inc]

+Rickey Ryan uhm mm well you can usually get hunting rifles and shotguns after passing some background checks, and psychological exams as well as firing and handling exams. most of the time rifles are capped at 3 rounds magazine max. Pistol wise only people who have a good reason to own them are allowed (cops, soldiers, high ranking corporate people...) and beyond that there's simply no way you can get stuff like an AR15 and the like

[@notpulverman9660]

***** so the regular pablo cant get a real gun unless he breaks the law...

[@purplesky4165]

This rifle and its bayonet look exactly like a classic military thing, not those glamorous toys of today.

[@genericdenizen1]

Good video, as always. The CETME-L looks cool, so I bought one. And yes, it's definitely not an H&K. The rifle is pretty much junk by any standard of effectiveness, as I had read before purchasing. The rear sight doesn't work well. The magazine well is so tight, I actually sanded an aluminum AR mag to fit. The safety/selector switch doesn't fit through the trigger pack correctly, because the holes don't line up properly - and this, from the factory. The trigger pull is basically terrible, etc. But it looks cool, and is okay to shoot, and is a fun part of my collection. If you want reliability, use a Mini-14. The CETME is just for fun.

[@Krulucifervonlayfon]

It's probably just the echo but it sounds so cool in semi-auto

[@ainhoasamford8046]

El mejor fusil de asalto de España ha sido el CETME C y el fusil Mauser alemán y la mejora española del llamado Mauser español el modelo 1893, con el cuál las tropas españolas le causaron muchas bajas al ejército de eeuu, porque usaban Winchester

[@SeraphinaPZ]

I love how it just stands on the mag perfectly.

[@elneutrino90]

For me the best CETME is the CETME C which has the features of a G3 with the CETME cartridge and a beautiful wooden stock and handguard

[@arm3133]

"CETME C which has the features of a G3" WRONG!!! The G3 has the features of a CETME C....Spain sold the patent to HK..... es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_G3

[@ExtraVictory]

Lol but the mauser engineers who started HK originally did the cetme c for Spain. After world war 2 they couldn't do weapons work in germany for 5 years so they went to france and Spain

[@larrymccoy5394]

@@ExtraVictory He came with MP44 designs and works with a Spanish team of 43 men during 50s

[@ExtraVictory]

@@larrymccoy5394 the point is. HK was the one who gets the credit, and rightfully so. Because it was german mauser engineers who eventually started HK who did the cetme for spain. So yeah spain sold the patent to HK. Because the guys who started HK originally did the patent for spain. Because they couldn't do it in Germany yet.

[@larrymccoy5394]

@@ExtraVictory In the CETME project were a team of 45 spanish engineers. For the same reason Apolo program was not american was german...

[@Spearfisher1970]

Thanks guys. That is one of the best looking modern(ish) rifles I've ever seen.

[@shizukaryujoukai2465]

That thing looks really freaking cool

[@desmovallecas]

Thank you for this interesting rewiew !!! At first part of my military service ( in Spain ) we use the previous version, the Cetme C in 7,62X51 OTAN ( nato ) and the transition to this L version in 5,56 X 45 was terrific, for example in the movements body to ground ( we call it belly to ground ) we support the stock in the ground and strech the body, with a strong Cetme C you have´nt problems, but you can imagine what happens with this plastic stock, many units was returned with broken stock, too much interruptions with spanish ammo and various problems propitiates return of the old C model I think it was a good design but a bad realization ( too cheap I suspect ) Thank you again, good remembers

[@pelayo4115]

This cetme L 5.56 is used in the Spanish army and it is surprising, it is almost entirely made of a type of plastic that makes it very light, just a couple of kilos. Its power is outstanding with little recoil the maximum effective range I think I remembered that it was about 1000 meters it was said that I could cross 10 bodies with a single shot, I was surprised to hear that by having a weapon that was barely heavy and powerful. It has a ballonet system which is also good for melee, cleaning and maintenance is easy everything is attached with pins and thus disassembled and mounted quickly.

[@nosferatu5]

It looks so pleasing to hold.

[@djpoliver]

Soy Español y te puedo decir que los primeros cetmes l eran buenos luego abarataron los costes y los siguientes modelos fallaban mucho sin embargo los mejores cetmes eran los modelos c unos de los mejores mas fiables y precisos fusiles del mundo que luego copiarian los alemanes y compraron la patente convirtiéndolo en el g 3

[@evaristolopez6093]

Ya ves, mi padre en la mili disparo uno de los primeros cetmes y dice que era un gran arma y estoy de acuerdo

[@fernandomesagil5577]

Este arma cetme L lo probe en el año 85/86' La verdad no nos gustaba nada.fallaba mucho y se partian al hacer en cuerpo a tierra por la culata.y fallaba en rafagas . Tambien salio la mg del mismo material de maquelita. La estubimos probando un tiempo y no salieron buenos. Mas tarde me licencie y ya no supe nada de estos fusiles de asalto.para mi el mejor el cetme c . Como fusil espanol de la epoca. Soy paraca del 441 ya a llovido un poco. Pero prefiero el C

[@tomasmoya6481]

Yo lo lleve poco meses antes de licenciarme . Y no fallaba era mucho cambio a disparar con el chopo.

[@ricardopizarroespana492]

@@tomasmoya6481 EL CHOPO ERA INFINITAMENTE SUPERIOR AL CETME L.

[@decoroto3355]

En el 89 llevé ese CETME. A 50 MTS. Podías fallar. No era nada preciso y con dos ráfagas se encasquillaba

[@Zafo24pl]

Wow you scratched up that table really good.

[@Dominik189]

If this rifle was just updated a bit and brought into modern materials I'm convinced it would be the perfect rifle for almost all militaries.

[@jesusoftheapes]

It's still the coolest looking battle rifle of any ever made . It's a badass looking rifle !

[@coitusergosum2447]

11:02 Brotherhood of Steel insignia

[@Croak1]

Ad Victoriam!

[@MrGabol100]

It's the Santa Barbara old Insignia. It was the main spanish weapons factory. It is composed of a bayonet trough a gear with the Letters on the side inside the gear.

[@MrGabol100]

Latmover I'd personally preffer to have something with Santa Bárbara Sistema's logo than Brotherhood of Steel, specially a Wooden Cetme C :^)

[@keith2860]

wouldnt it make more sense that there would be a brotherhood of steel symbol on a spanish rifle than the symbol of the factory that made it....

[@anthonyyomama4937]

Coitus Ergo Sum not even close, it looked like a some Isis shit at first glance.

[@MrGichinfunakoshi]

I served in the spanish marines (Infanteria de Marina) in 1992 and the CETME-L (original) was a piece of shit!! Corrosion isues in maritime environment and overheating!

[@CuetoHeavyMetal]

por si no lo sabes,los primeros cetme L los hacian "abaratados" con piezas de baja calidad,pero los que hacen a dia de hoy ya son mejores que el antiguo cetme c,la guardia civil los usa ahora.

[@lmp3033]

Yo tambien fui infante de marina en el 91/92 en el tercio del sur y el cetme 5,56 de plastico que me asignaron iba como un tiro y no tuve problemas con el. Cuando ibamos a la sierra del retin a gastar municion caducada pocos problemas tenia. Lo unico que era muy sensible a la carbonilla en la recamara y en uso muy intensivo habia que limpiar " la uñeta" frecuentemente y si puede ser complicado en mitad de un combate.

[@operator6942]

El problema fue la poquísima calidad de los materiales, sobre todo el cargador. Con un cargador americano no fallaba nada. Valientes por tierra y por mar.

[@FlymanStereophonic]

El caso es que teníamos una industria prometedora de haber continuado en la línea del chopo... Pero bueno, por lo que leo todos conocemos no uno, si no varios cetme L y sabemos sus inicios y su actualidad. Hablamos de la AMELI ahora? Jajajajaja

[@ClickerQuiz]

Get well soon Ian.

[@theblackcock6607]

Please extend our gratitude to Carl for this very deep sacrifice you made for us F

[@likantrophos]

I used the Cetme-l in my military service,great rifle.

[@coitusergosum2447]

The fact that the gun is standing on its Magazine is really entertaining for me.

[@Jefecino]

how many times i cleaned that rifle........ with my eyes blinded, disassembly and assembly. Really good times

[@michaeljucan134]

scary... green? rifle

[@greenwolf8732]

En el servicio militar Español ( año 94) desmontamos y volvíamos a montar el Cetme con los ojos cerrados, literalmente.... Es una gran arma.

[@madd2577]

Yo la hice en el 4 del 94, y si lo desmontabamos, es muy fácil. Ojalá vuelva el servicio militar obligatorio

[@greenwolf8732]

@@madd2577 2/94 en el Ramix 91

[@moobsmcgee3554]

I'm on vacation in spain right now and I've seen police with g36c's and umps and the gun you just showed off. And I had never seen or heard one of before, so I had no clue what it was. They had a more modern version and I was losing my mind because it had m4 style grips with an hk style charging handle. I was trying to recognize this gun, this wild green animal. But now I know what this thing is and I can say this is a really neat gun and while I was on the toilet watching this video I had a brilliant idea for a ambidextrous charging handle.

[@Taurevanime]

Ian just one thing. It was not something I was aware of either because we all just assumed it. But there is no STANAG for 5.56 magazines. Hence we have all these differing magazines and magwell dimensions in NATO arms for 5.56 weapons. There was a draft for the adoption of a magazine standard, but it was never accepted.I have to thank EmericD from France for bringing this to light to myself and others on Tony Williams' forum.

[@scwhk1]

Many NATO standards exist but that does not prevent countries like US or Germany or any of the more powerful members to do whatever they want and neglect the standard. On the hand the M16 magazine is clearly the default magazine when most company designing firearm even though technically there is no standard.

[@Taurevanime]

When companies design a firearm they do so based off of requirements. Many firearms available commercially in the US fit the standard US M16 magazines, because those are the most common and not allowing for them, is commercially disadvantageous. Meanwhile something like the G36 had a requirements that precluded the use of standard M16 magazines, so the weapon wasn't designed to fit them. Unless you use a special parts kit.

[@scwhk1]

I am sure they have their reasons when designing the product. The point is that those reasoning is not always sound. The use of proprietary standards is very often is really for the company own commercial benefits. The choice of rock in style magazine clearly is just a carry over from the existing HK style and is more like a preference thing. I do not see a huge problem if they switch to a M16 style mag.The German is doing it only because they are wealthy enough to use their standard.

[@user-vy6yg7xt9e]

My local gun store here in Florida had a beautiful one for 16 beans. Thought about it, but ended up passing on it.

[@psychosneighbor1509]

That's a great looking rifle. I want one!

[@barnstormer546]

The way you handle and maneuver this rifle makes it seem like it's rather heavy.

[@jbg9466]

El "chopo" se cargaba con un leve golpe sobre el suelo...jejeje y se calentaba mas que un seat 600

[@Gerardo6]

J BG y lo que pesaba el cabronazo jeejejejej

[@juancarlossimonloren314]

El chopo era más preciso que el L y el LC

[@aceroacero4885]

...A QUE CHOPO OS REFERIS...? ...EL VERDADERO CHOPO ES EL FUSIL ALEMAN MAUSSER DE CALIBRE 7,92 QUE UTILIZO EL EJERCITO ESPAÑOL DESDE PRINCIPIOS DEL SIGLO XX HASTA LOS AÑOS 50s DEL MISMO SIGLO ASI MISMO CONVIVIO ALGUN TIEMPO CON EL CETME B,YO UTILICE EN LA BRIPAC EN LOS AÑOS 80s EL CETME C DE CALIBRE 7,62,TAMBIEN TUVE ENTRE MIS MANOS EL CETME B...Y COMO EL MODELO C NINGUNO,ES MAS ESTA CONSIDERADO EL MEJOR FUSIL DE COMBATE DEL MUNDO DE SU EPOCA,DE HECHO LOS AMERICANOS AFICIONADOS COMPRARON Y COMPRAN UN MONTON DE ELLOS EN EL MERCADO INTERNACIONAL YA QUE ES UN ARMA DE COLECCIONISTA,AQUI EN ESPAÑA HAY UN ARMERO IMPUTADO Y EN LA CARCEL POR PONER EN CIRCULACION VARIAS UNIDADES DEL MODELO C Y ACONDICIONARLAS PARA EL DISPARO YA QUE CUANDO SE HIZO CON TODOS LOS LOTES QUE EL MINISTERIO DE DEFENSA HABIA INUTILIZADO EL SE LAS ARREGLO PARA BURLAR LA LEY Y VOLVERLES A PONER EN CIRCULACION Y VENDERLOS EN EL MERCADO ILEGAL...! ...YO TUVE UN MODELO C CON EL CUAL GANE JUNTO CON MIS COMPAÑEROS DE LA BRIPAC EL CAMPEONATO DE ESPAÑA DE PATRULLAS DE TIRO EN 1985,ERA UNA VERDADERA MAQUINA CON UNA PRECISION INIGUALABLE Y UNA FIABILIDAD DE FUNCIONAMIENTO QUE MUCHOS FUSILES DE HOY EN DIA YA QUISIERAN TENER PARA COMO SE LE TRATABA...!

[@medinachete73]

Dos vueltas de cinta aislante bajo el tirador de la corredera y listo. El problema venía cuando al caer de un salto dabas un culatazo para rodar, ahí ya podía pasar de todo.

[@fernandomesagil5577]

@@aceroacero4885 estoy contigo hermano. Yo del curso 441 1bandera 4cia cabo Mesa. Antiaereo

[@forresta65]

thanks Carl

[@johnmosesbrowning1855]

Brilliant Video as always. As to the forward assist: wehn i had my basic training in the mid 1990s with the HK G3 we were told if the bolt is not fully home to tap the butt on the ground while holding the rifle vertically. Short dry tap and the bolt would be home without much force & noise. Worked well with the G3, no idea if this inertia assist would work on this CETME . Panzergrenadiere: Dran, drauf, drüber. :-)

[@DominusRexDK]

really interesting firearm, and cool looking too

[@ingloriousbuddah]

tell Carl thanks for the sacrifice he made shooting that unique weapon.

[@JMac-md3vj]

Crazy how HK like it is/isn’t.

[@YerluvinunclePete]

Thanks Carl!

[@markhernandez3860]

I operated with this gun it worked well especially in CQB. Lasted longer than an AR 15

[@louwn]

the colour and the lines of this gun are nice.