Table tennis booster mega test. Part 1: Boosting your DHS Hurricane 3 rubber.

[@AlanenJ]

The best informative video series for boosters.

[@ThePongProfessor]

Glad you enjoy it. Feel free to support of this type of content through a donation at: www.buymeacoffee.com/thepongprof (no fees to you; creator keeps 95% of donation). Thanks.

[@billbob7986]

I currently use the haifu yellow booster and I can say that the rumours a true, at least on my blade (viscaria) the vibration is very clear and it gives a better feeling for the touch of the ball, but for new booster users, remember that this won’t make your rubber the best thing in the world, I would say it just makes it better by about overall 15 percent

[@ThePongProfessor]

Agreed. Boosters do not fundamentally change the properties of rubbers - They tweak them.

[@sushilkumarjindal6183]

@@ThePongProfessor Very good comparison.I have also watched the second part of this comparison. You have done an excellent job 👏👏. Very helpful video. I have seen some people using baby oil for boosting rubbers. If possible, can you please add baby oil in this comparison. Thank you very much 😃

[@AlanenJ]

15 percent is huge in equipment, but if you compare it to technique can make a 200% difference.

[@aleksandrsay4998]

Big thanks, good job! This is what all we need!!!

[@ThePongProfessor]

Glad it helped!

[@markuskem579]

Geat video, Patrick, very interesting indeed. I've only tried Haifu Seamoon and Falco Tempo Long. I found the difference between those quite stunning. The Haifu beeing much more aggressive and causing a more extreme curling of the rubber.

[@ThePongProfessor]

Interesting! I am curious to see what I will observe.

[@deanyuan1812]

Do you know what you are supposed to do with the more extreme curling of the rubber? Do you just wait it out before glueing or something? Thanks.

[@rakishman1313]

I liked the intro . I hope you ll show bounce and spin test of some sort of each paddle in the second part .

[@ThePongProfessor]

Thanks. I plan to show footage from actual game play.

[@rakishman1313]

@@ThePongProfessor that’s good looking forward to it

[@seguso]

Could you make a control test with Johnson's baby oil as well? I haven't experienced much difference with haifu seamoon. I'd like to know if you find the same. It's slower to absorb and get dry, but in the end I suspect all that matters is how much the rubber has curled before becoming flat again. It would also be interesting to compare all these with 3/4 layers of haifu speed glue applied two weeks (or a month) before. I find the (long evaporated) speed glue is still better, possibly because it curled the rubber more before it flattens back again (after 1 day). the speed increase seems to be permanent.

[@Waingro808]

I also use baby oil, which is just mineral oil with fragrance.

[@ThePongProfessor]

That's an idea for a future test. Homemade boosters !!

[@dedalosikaros2161]

I also use the baby oil. It gives good curl!

[@DaigoParry]

Sewing machine oil? Isopropyl Alcohol? WD-40? Zippo Lighter Fluid?

[@XYoukaiX]

Interesting but I have one Question, why did you put 3 layers of glue on the rubber ? I have never ever seen anyone doing this with those new glues only with the old speed glue

[@ThePongProfessor]

Boosting causes the rubber to curl (built-in tension). Chinese players use very thick glue layers to make the rubber more elastic and to ensure strong adhesion. I use 2-3 layers to make sure that the rubber is firmly attached to the blade, especially since the Revolution 3 glue is a fairly thin glue. Please consider supporting this channel via the following link: www.buymeacoffee.com/thepongprof (no fees to you; creator keeps 95% of donation). Every little bit helps to support this channel.

[@CorentinKaisergruber]

How long does the effect of national haifu really last? How many time can you reboost before the sponge become mushy ?

[@ThePongProfessor]

I would say the boosting effect lasts 20-30 hours of active play for sure, and then fades as you moved towards the 50 hour mark. I only boost lightly myself as I generally prefer the harder feel. I can boost twice. Third time it feels mushy but it is still playable.

[@tandonanubhav]

Great video! Really helpful to isolate down which booster to choose amongst the national Haifu variants. One question - Did you observe any of the rubbers bubbling (topsheet separating from the sponge) after some usage? If so, did one of the boosters aggravate the problem of bubbling in the rubbers as compared to others?

[@ThePongProfessor]

None of the rubbers developed bubbles. In my hands, I have only had bubbles develop when using blue-sponged H3 (and then only after many hours of play). The interface between the topsheet and sponge seems to be stronger with the orange sponged H3s (which probably is why they feel a little stiffer)

[@thefunny5706]

where ur video about compare tests the boosted rubbers, I don't find on ur channel?

[@ThePongProfessor]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nWjEgptvnbSUerc

[@PDDloveLBW]

Actually mate, the Hurricane 3 you are using is the cheapest, organic glue version. You will actually get an amazing boost by applying multiple (more than 4) layers of organic glue to the rubber, and you will definitely get a rubber with amazing speed+control+spin. In China, many non-pro players actually prefer to use organic glue (non-pro games do not check for the glue) for Hurricane because it's soooooo boosting. Of course, the organic glue is smelly and disgusting, that's why it's been banned. My understanding is that in the provincial teams and national teams in China most players are using the NEO version of Hurricane 3, which subdivides into NEO provincial Hurricane and NEO national Hurriance. DHS even have two different types of sponge (orange and blue), and they actually feel quite different. I would sincerely suggest you try to use the black oil to treat the NEO-national hurricane (Blue sponge) if you have a chance because that's what the oil is aimed for. Your overall tests are great. Thank you for your experiment. - A Chinese dude.

[@PDDloveLBW]

To clarify: I am not trying to lecture or teach Patrick, I am pretty sure he has already known the differences between versions of hurricane for years. I'm just trying to provide information for those who are interested in Hurricane because pretty much every Chinese player even kids use it for forehand. The only problem with Hurricane is that you always need to boost it, probably after 2 or 3 weeks after applying the Seamoon. Wish you guys good luck.

[@ThePongProfessor]

Thank you for your comments. Actually, my understanding (from Chinese sources) was that the top players all use H3 (non-Neo) and then custom-boost themselves. Thank you for the black oil blue sponge suggestion. I could see that making sense.

[@ThePongProfessor]

You comments are warmly appreciated !!

[@malong1703]

I'd love to chat with you about H3 and boosting, maybe I can ask some questions via WeChat or something like that?

[@alphatumbaga356]

Baby oil boost? Any thoghts😊

[@ThePongProfessor]

Haven't tried that.

[@АлександрНикулин-л9к]

why do you say in the video that haifu sea moon is national yellow, although you have a jar and the color of national white liquid in your hands?

[@ThePongProfessor]

Because Haifu Sea Moon National Yellow is the name of the booster according to TT11. Pretty simple, actually.

[@CorentinKaisergruber]

Did you have the chance to test the haifu national white ? how it compare to yellow?

[@ThePongProfessor]

Not yet. The test is planned for this summer

[@CorentinKaisergruber]

@@ThePongProfessor Cool ! Im waiting for it to make my choice for next season so ! Great series !

[@АлександрНикулин-л9к]

what booster did you end up using national white? or yellow

[@ThePongProfessor]

Yellow

[@Waingro808]

Awesome work man!

[@ThePongProfessor]

Thank you. I appreciate it.

[@dpereschaves]

Does it have the second part? I will like to try a booster

[@ThePongProfessor]

Part 2: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nWjEgptvnbSUerc Part 3: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3PVioBvlN5jr7s

[@dpereschaves]

@@ThePongProfessor thank you. I bought the yellow national to try based of the tests. Lets see. Congrats for the video

[@ThePongProfessor]

@@dpereschaves Thanks. Make sure to like and subscribe if you haven't already, as this will support this channel. And tell your TT friends about it :)

[@WungoBungo]

I see a lot of people boosting rubbers and talking about it right now, although as far as i can tell it is banned by the ITTF? So how/why are people practicing or playing with boosted rubbers still? Is it just not strictly enforced? Also are factory boosted rubbers such as DHS hurricane 3 neo just as good?

[@jadeli672]

ittf only ban the old organic glue which have the function of boosters, those boosters in the video are allowed to use, for dhs rubbers boosting can give them a lot more speed and power for better performance and can also make it softer, other rubbers like those manufactured by esn are just pre-boosted during manufacturing, it will shrink after using. Neo hurricane is not boosted enough so it should also be boosted.

[@WungoBungo]

@@jadeli672 so organic glue boosters are not allowed, but the boosters that are designed just for boosting are okay?

[@jadeli672]

@@WungoBungo yes

[@ThePongProfessor]

Read my background article regarding boosters where I discuss legality: blog.tabletennis11.com/review-five-oil-based-boosters

[@TuanNguyen-xm5cs]

does falco booster have funky smell ? does it similar to speed glue smell ?

[@ThePongProfessor]

No, Falco does not have a funky smell. Hard to describe. Deep, oily, but not uncomfortable or pungent.

[@colin6711]

Is it okay to use the normal haifu semoon booster (which is not national) for amateurs like us?

[@ThePongProfessor]

There are major difference between the three Haifu boosters as you will see in the next video. It comes down to player preferences.

[@mrmf4712]

Of course not. You absolutely have to go for "national" booster and must wear red socks with white Chinese dragon. Otherwise there is no point.

[@Bohmati]

We need repeatly booster the rubber once we put the rubber on blade?? Or it's just once only

[@ThePongProfessor]

The effect lasts ~ 1-2 months depending on how often you play

[@Bohmati]

@@ThePongProfessor so let's say after the 1-2month,it's we need to pull of the rubber from the blade back and booster it again or it's just the end of the rubber life span and we need to change the new one?

[@dedalosikaros2161]

@@Bohmati I think you can boost it again.

[@aleksandrsay4998]

One more question, if u use blue sponge what hardness u prefer 41? And neo o non neo, and u use same method boosting for blue sponge?

[@aleksandrsay4998]

In most videos on bilibili they use this method for neo hurricane 3prov bs(in video mostly 39,40): remove glue, glue layer, thick boost layer, thin layer, glue, glue...

[@aleksandrsay4998]

But they have very different boosters, mostly casual seamoon, black seamoon... They talking all about this in videos on bilibili, but language....

[@ThePongProfessor]

Hey - I have mostly been playing with 40-degree when using a blue sponge H3. I used only one layer of booster when using blue sponge. I feel it gets too soft otherwise.

[@ThePongProfessor]

Yeah, there are different philosophies how to boost. I have discussed them here: blog.tabletennis11.com/to-boost-or-not-to-boost. I prefer the direct on sponge approach as it results in a less soft rubber.

[@ThePongProfessor]

Ok

[@niklaskras5498]

what about the diffrence to normal baby oil or lamp oil?

[@ThePongProfessor]

I haven't tried those......yet :)

[@GaelVillasenor-fm5si]

Hellow, what thickness are you using?

[@ThePongProfessor]

2.15 mm

[@derneuemann]

where is part 2? ;) I can't find it on the channel

[@ThePongProfessor]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nWjEgptvnbSUerc

[@ThePongProfessor]

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[@jiboo6850]

always take off the protective film when you boost. because when the sponge expends, the pimples deal with a lot of force and you can unbond the topsheet from the sponge. without the film, the topsheet can work and take some of the load instead of the pimples bond. you also need to let the rubber rest for 24 to 48h after to stabilize before gluing it on the blade. otherwise it will move on the blade and you'll get different response from day to day. no wonder people doing like this think the effect doesn't last. of course you do it wrong!

[@ThePongProfessor]

I learned this method from a high-level Chinese player (though you are right about taking the protective sheet off).

[@jiboo6850]

@@ThePongProfessor that doesnt mean its right. Ive seen plenty of chinese videos doing it wrong. Im sure if i could boost one for you, you wouldnt believe the difference. And i use my own sauce made with all natural products. And mine stay curled for months. I did experiment sooooo much that my mates always ask me to do it for them. The protection of the blade "wipe on poly with a rag" like i told you is very important step to make it last long. Pro players just use the sauce made for themselves like seamoon and overpriced shit like that. I tried them all and they dont hold a candle to my sauce. Of course i keep it secret.

[@ThePongProfessor]

@@jiboo6850 You are welcome to send me a boosted sheet. I will test it. You should sell your secret sauce and become rich (assuming it passes the VOC sniff test). Regarding "wipe on poly with a rag". I have done that in the past and have found it results in a blade with a softer feel which I absolutely don't like.

[@jiboo6850]

@@ThePongProfessor softer feel?? Since when a solvent sealant softens the wood ?? I totally disagree with that statement. Water based ones do soften though. But not solvent ones like wipe on poly. Im not interested into selling it because im not greedy or money driven. I prefer have an exclusive and personal use. preparing some sheets for close friends and thats it. Nothing more. So i have no need to send you a sheet. Of course i understand it may be hard for you to believe me but for the price of a small seamoon bottle i can make liters of my sauce. Market Boosters are overpriced AF. I have one sauce for topsheets and one for sponges. Each one require different treatments.

[@ThePongProfessor]

@@jiboo6850 Softer feel, because of the thin poly layer.

[@devilmice93]

When is the next video about the booster?

[@ThePongProfessor]

I am still evaluating the different rubbers. Probably around X-mas.

[@jiankuo]

why so many reviewers use commercial H3 in their reviews, people say the quality of the product is not consistent as provincial rubbers, orange sponge provincial H3 is not that expensive compare to most other rubbers.

[@ThePongProfessor]

In my experience, the quality of the commercial H3 is better than it gets credit for. The seven sheets used in this test were within ~2 grams of each other. Commercial quality H3 (orange) costs roughly half of the corresponding provincial quality (orange), and one-third of the provincial quality blue sponge. In a test with seven rubbers this adds up :) I typically use orange sponge commercial or provincial for practice (and sometimes tournaments), and blue sponge for tournaments. The difference between provincial and national blue sponge is greater than between orange commercial/provincial imo...

[@jiankuo]

@@ThePongProfessor Do you hit really hard and train a lot? I think when you boost well, it does levels the "quality" quite bit, for me, I play a few times a week at the local club, usually just have 1 lightly boosted provincial H3, if I don't hit the rubber to damage it, it last about 6-8 month, so, I don't really see the point to use commercial H3 for the price difference. I have tried commercial H3, it does have significant different for me, Nationals does feel the finest, but provincial is great when boosted well.

[@ThePongProfessor]

​@@jiankuo I play ~4 times per week. For me, the blue sponge H3's tend to develop a bubble after 1-2 months, while the orange sponge have much longer longevity. i don't like spending money and for me commercial H3s work just fine for practice.

[@jiankuo]

@@ThePongProfessor How many H3 rubbers you use about per year?

[@ThePongProfessor]

@@jiankuo I test equipment all the time....If I didn't, I would probably go through 3-4 H3s per year for practice and the same number of blue sponge for tournaments....

[@APOCLAG]

Do you apply glue before boosting?

[@ThePongProfessor]

No, I apply the booster directly onto the sponge and then glue. I find the feeling is too soft (and booster effect too weak) if I add glue first, and then boost

[@APOCLAG]

@@ThePongProfessor Thank you! : D

[@permelin5532]

Superb guide for boosting your rubbers Patrick. I'm curious how the TT Revolution X-treme booster stands in comparison with these, and have you tried the Haifu National White Booster yet?

[@ThePongProfessor]

I have not tried either of the suggested boosters.

[@permelin5532]

@@ThePongProfessor Looking forward to another part then? :)

[@ThePongProfessor]

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[@sucimuliani2409]

Nice

[@ThePongProfessor]

Thanks

[@deep7496]

Great video look forward to other parts. I have my first sheet of H3Neo blue sponge provincial 39 2.15 coming tomorrow which is pre tuned and pre glued. Do I take this layer off prior to boosting? Also how many layers of booster would be good idea using seamoon?

[@ThePongProfessor]

I am in the process of uploading and verifying the second part. If I was you, I would start playing with the H3N as it is to see how you like it. Then, after a little bit of time, I would remove the glue+booster layer and apply one layer of fresh booster. Which booster, you might ask? Watch the second part for the answer :)

[@deep7496]

@@ThePongProfessor I previously have been using Dignics 09C for 1.5 yrs and recently was testing a used H3Neo orange sponge 39 2.15 which I boosted myself, 2 layers of seamoon and 2 layers of glue. So would I boost in same way? Some say only 1 booster layer on a blue sponge? Unfortunately I don’t have luxury of pasting it on as is as I have a competition in a weeks time and another one the following wkend so I need rubber to be competition ready

[@deep7496]

@@ThePongProfessor also it arrives tomo and I am not training this weekend so it gives me time to boost from tomo and ready to play Monday. If I paste as it is then test Monday if I don’t like and need to boost it won’t give me enough time to boost and train with it prior to next Sat

[@ThePongProfessor]

@@deep7496 I don't have experience with removing the glue/booster layer of a new H3 Neo, so I probably should not offer advice. I always use regular H3 myself. I use one layer on an unboosted H3 blue, but in retrospect, probably would use two going forward.

[@aleksandrsay4998]

@@ThePongProfessor 🙏🙌

[@briseidaquiel8993]

Dandoy Bio Booster?

[@ThePongProfessor]

Typically not used with Chinese rubbers, but rather with Euro-style ESN rubbers. That's why I didn't include it here.

[@vini.tedy10]

Óleo mineral que e bom né.

[@ThePongProfessor]

I haven't tried mineral oil.

[@tj_1260]

ahrg argh jjt

[@ThePongProfessor]

ok?

[@mrmf4712]

Omg people keep inventing none-senses. What the hell is a "friction power", man?

[@ThePongProfessor]

Hey - As I discuss in the written review (blog.tabletennis11.com/review-five-oil-based-boosters), "friction power" is a term that DHS uses (probably loosely translated from Mandarin) to describe the special way that power is transferred from the player via ultra-hard tacky rubbers to the ball (what I like to call power coupling instead). Playing with hard rubbers requires much greater physical effort since the rubber has very little catapult effect. In order for the power transfer to be effective, the ball needs to "sit" on the rubber for a fraction longer than with Euro/Jap rubber. That's what accomplished with the tackiness.

[@mrmf4712]

Well, in the context of table tennis "power" is a fancy way to say "speed", as electricity is not involved. The power transfer or more straightforward wording is speed transfer happens between racket and ball. To achieve higher speed of the ball after impact we do not need tackiness, we do not need to increase the dwell time as it will only work against us by slowing ball down making transfer less efficient, right? Takiness helps in brushing when friction is high, hence transfer is more efficient so the spin is bigger. Terms "friction speed" or "speed capture" make little sence. I believe what you wanted to say is that there is increased rotation due to higher friction...

[@mrmf4712]

I am wondering whether anyone published test to compare speed of the ball when flat hitting using racket without rubber vs with ESN rubber vs tacky hard rubber, ofcourse having the same weight of the racket.

[@ebuseyyidel-muhendisi8402]

hello which booster would you recommend?

[@ThePongProfessor]

Honestly, all of them are good. The best ones are probably the National Yellow or the Kailin.

[@ebuseyyidel-muhendisi8402]

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[@ThePongProfessor]

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