'Tackle is going the way of the bump' - David King | AFL 360 | Fox Footy

Gerard and Robbo are joined by legends David King, Leigh Montagna, Jack Riewoldt and Jordan Lewis to talk through the great tackle saga that has dominated headlines this week.
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[@ShadowLight-kn7rl]

That's a 4 man panel I can get behind. No rubbish journalism, no poultry drama, no wayward opinions. Just genuine FOOTY opinions by past players who been in the game know what they're talking about and have the weight behind it that makes you enjoy the game.

[@Molegahe1234]

Just make it touch footy AFL. Also give yourselves a raise for doing a great job. Best year of umpiring I've ever seen. (Sarcasm).

[@matthewowen8183]

Games in big trouble. Dillon is a lawyer first and foremost. Hes worried about legal action. Just set the rules and get current players to sign a waiver on head injuries. Make sure doctors are on top of it, medical retirements. Suspension for bad actions. Move on.

[@lukezito2628]

Perfectly said

[@wolftone57]

Worst CEO ever. The AFL is effed

[@ronburg8544]

Dillon is a lawyer and knows waivers are the first casualties in any law suit.

[@imalwaysright]

Waivers are not absolute. They don't extinguish AFL's duty of care.

[@samantha-jane4424]

​@@imalwaysrightexactly, waivers are unlikely to hold up in court, and anything written into a contract still cannot circumvent the law of the land, which would arguably rule that the AFL as an organisation has a duty of care to the players if employs. This would probably come under both federal and state occupational health and safety law. People do need to accept the scenario of either having a financially viable game and accepting that things will change, or accepting a game burdened, potentially even crippled by the financial implications of the lawsuits that have already started, and will no doubt continue to increase.

[@user-vz5cq7ey2c]

Lawsuits lawsuits and lawsuits.

[@StuAus]

Its all about trying to prevent further law suits. They dont care if it ruins the game, they care about getting sued. Which is understandable because every bloke whos ever been concussed is looking for a pay out. Maybe players need to sign a waiver accepting the risk of concussion and acknowledging the AFL is not to blame.

[@kezp8114]

Apparently a waiver wouldn't cover it. Source: a KZbin comments lawyer

[@wolftone57]

Their liability insurance pays for this

[@RobertJ-lk5bb]

You can't waive your rights to safety, in the workplace or elsewhere, it's legally not possible

[@andrewkerr5296]

​​​@@RobertJ-lk5bb So how Safe does the AFL need to be lolol A 'safe' workplace means NO physical contact at all GTFO with your Safetyism BS

[@mrmikeriley]

@@RobertJ-lk5bb What about a UFC/combat sports athlete? Isn't that exactly what they do by walking in to a ring?

[@kezp8114]

Why isnt anybody bringing up HOW HARD THE GROUNDS ARE ?!?!? Is it because it's the only thing the AFL and its stadiums custodians are actually in control of? Grass must be half concrete if players are getting concussed from these impacts. I played local AFL for 10+ years, hit my head on the ground all the time and never got a concussion.

[@christianhendry7136]

Totally agree!!! The grounds are like concrete and there is so little grass coverage because they are going for esthetics on tv. Go back a couple of decades when there was more grass coverage and you had less concussion and ACL injuries. I'd love to see a study on the amount of these injuries at the state league level where the grounds are more lush/heavier tracks. They also generally don't share those grounds with cricket. I'm pretty confident that the would be less of these injuries on those grounds

[@taylorsilver2566]

Interesting take, thanks for sharing

[@aussieintexas61]

i just said to meself, why are so many players getting concussed so easily every week. blokes got buried in tackles constantly back in the day.

[@lucacaldy8001]

when more than 10 players are talking about this, you know its bad. i think the players need to do something serious like nba walkout kinds of big

[@themetalpig7613]

And while they're walking out, make the point that the AFL takes a bigger cut of profits than any other sporting administration. Overpaid muppets.

[@shadzyalex15]

Fix your Tribunal AFL like tbh I'm not watching or going to games anymore cus it ain't enjoyable but the start of this video was funny asf 🤣🤣🤣

[@michaelhoskin2115]

Great segment. As an avid 360 watcher I think that anytime we can get long form panel discussion with this many former players it is very welcome!! 😃

[@Power_Prawnstar]

Its called a waiver AFL, every motor sport in the world has them

[@samantha-jane4424]

And yet, they won't hold up in court.

[@Power_Prawnstar]

@@samantha-jane4424 Is that legit? How can that be?

[@samantha-jane4424]

@@Power_Prawnstar because a waiver or contract doesn't legally absolve a company of their responsibilities under the law. A company can't just implement a waiver or contractual obligation that absolves them of say, having to provide a safe workplace under occupational health and safety law as a very basic example.

[@Power_Prawnstar]

@samantha-jane4424 Surely, though, there would be an implied risk. This isn't a normal workplace. The waivers I signed specifically detail that the sport poses serious risk of injury or death. This was for Speedway racing. I've never heard of a lawsuit in any motor sport.

[@samantha-jane4424]

@@Power_Prawnstar occupational health and safety law, the rights, responsibilities and duty of care don't really change. These are risks that can be mitigated. At the end of the day, if nothing is done to address concussions, the AFL will face even greater litigation and there won't be a game at all potentially. Players and the AFL need to sit down and come to some form of middle ground as to where we go now, but there will be change and people do need to accept that. We know a great deal more now about concussion, CTE and brain injury and the life-long effects it can have.

[@Geromi87]

AFL, please brace yourself for the amount of fans you will lose.. it will surely happen.. And you CANNOT ACT SURPRISED when it actually does

[@themetalpig7613]

I've already stopped watching. The inconsistency of the rules get worse every year. It's too frustrating to watch.

[@Gus.MonFries]

​The AFL has broken record high crowds and the crowds will only get bigger and bigger. Name 1 year in the last 150 years that has had bigger crowds than 2024 @@themetalpig7613

[@1refi]

that was a legitimate politician/lawyer response from dillon. zzzzz

[@sam47511]

Andrew Dillon didn’t even attempt to answer the question

[@SuperRoo_22]

I guess we will eventually be Gaelic AFL. 😢

[@ironmaidentragic]

So if the player that is being tackled contributes to the dangerous tackle in an attempt to win a free kick, which is what's happening and they get concussed, does the tackled player face suspension for contributing to his own concussion? Has any player been suspended for a dangerous tackle where no concussion has occurred? Or are we suspending players for the injury and not the intent?

[@SpartanSteve-bq4ue]

I don’t think any player would get concussed just to get a free kick then miss games with concussion and suffer later in life . Maybe trying to break the tackle could result in concussion but not on purpose as you suggest

[@spindoctor6385]

This was set up years and years ago when the intent of the player became secondary to the end result. Somebody gets injured so there must be somebody to blame. We are not far from suspending players who fly for a mark and make contact to another player. Was it Maynard last year got suspended when he jumped up to smother and landed awkwardly? Will Day a couple of years ago ran into a stationary Max Gawn (I think it was Max, my memory isn't great) and Max got suspended because Day was concussed. (I am a Hawks fan) I can make the same stupid argument if a player does a hammy because he is getting chased too fast. After all if he didn't choose to chase then the player wouldn't have had to over extend himself. There will be no more injuries once we ban tackling, jumping, running marking and kicking. We could take turns at having shots at goal to see who wins.

[@themetalpig7613]

AFL: "It's the health and safety of our players that's the priority." Absolute rubbish. Avoiding litigation is the priority.

[@smallships]

Exactly! Handing out a 3 week suspension isn’t going to help the player that’s already concussed. It’s just so they can see “we did something about it”.

[@novah589]

So really we should be blaming the ex players that are suing the AFL?

[@ninjaturtle258]

@novah589 The AFL forced them to play a contact sport and then when they got obliterated on the field the afl pushed them back there to get smashed again. Don’t you remember? Neither do I. Don’t why the afl is reacting like this and destroying the game

[@Maxindifference]

@@novah589yes

[@markrmcltlcl]

Look at the firmness of the grounds they play on! End the debate

[@Adym18]

Andrew Dillion knows fk all about footy

[@runnynose8341]

The mark is next

[@user-kg3sx2ht1s]

Are the tacklees milking the free and over exaggerating the tackle? These are the players that need to save our game. Stop it!!

[@mrDredd1966]

Remember guys, no more tackling into the ground anymore!!🤦‍♂️

[@rodneyobrien1262]

Easy way out is if a player is removed from the game due to concussion as a result of a tackle then the tackler is red carded from the game, plus maybe one game ban?

[@Dontomatios]

But Dangerfield walks 😂 the most corrupt organisation in sports ! Is Geelong the most favoured club in the history of ghe AFL

[@paulkyriakopoulos3444]

That's 100%correct mate 😊

[@supernoveau]

Eventually the AFL will realise it’s a game first and an industry second.

[@anthonystrickland9870]

RIP Australian Rules Football 😢

[@paulrosenblum4062]

Game has completely changed, if the AFL are fair dinkum then no more contests no more high marking (knees in the back) not more contact whatsoever. Jus make it a contractual obligation that players acknowledge and accept the risks of playing a contact sport.

[@FreddyJong-co6cb]

Afl day grand final tony serprano(remember when is the worst form of conversation)remember when there was no lights/electricity/t.v 😢😢😢😮😮😢😢😢😮😮😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢

[@Power_Prawnstar]

Kingy! You're the main man, you're the one crying every week, what a folg

[@Squirki]

If the AFL wants to make it easy for interpretation, and sanitise the game, they should include in the rules the statement “The players’ primary focus MUST AT ALL TIMES be the ball, NOT the man” This clearly defines a line for tackling and the paying of a free kick against the tackling or bumping player if their primary focus is not the ball. It basically removes the arms-pinned, holding the ball free kick because the focus is the man, not the ball. Whilst this is not what we all want, it would lower the incidence of heavy bumps and tackles applied without focus on winning the ball. This sort of statement is easy to understand and is something to which umpires, players and coaches could quickly adapt.

[@michaellee8816]

More important question, what happened to David Kings neck?

[@supernoveau]

I can’t believe King is calmly saying the tackle is going as if it’s 1) inevitable 2) necessary. Society has a fetish with “health and safety”. This is what happens when women are listened to too much. It’s the maternal instinct that gave us lockdowns, but as it turned out it was also deranged to believe you can prevent a virus. Similarly, it is delusion to believe you can eradicate head knocks in football. There are certain values that eclipse “safety”. The reason football is loved is because it is heroic. There is nothing heroic about staying safe. Do we think Homer was immortalised in a myth because he stayed safe?

[@dougaldhendrick3497]

They ought to make the rule makers demonstrate what they insist on creating..

[@Dieselpower24]

They started penalising the outcome a long time ago and none of the talking heads had a problem, and now here we are.

[@frizzy60]

The confusion and understanding of these rules have NEVER been so bad until Laura "helicopter mum" Kane got promoted to her position

[@mikewazowski8368]

I think it was 2021 or 22' they had the opening month or so of footy and were suspending based on the action (it was sling tackles at the time) and it worked well, most people on the same page, you sling tackle you're out regardless of outcome. Then somewhere halfway through that season, they completely flipped it back to their usual outcome based system, and it just turned the whole thing into a laughing stock.

[@mitchellrizza284]

All because of these former players.

[@SpartanSteve-bq4ue]

Not really , look at the political correctness and life in general how it’s changed since the 60s and 70s if you’re the right age. Life is becoming strange with new laws rules and bs policies

[@SpartanSteve-bq4ue]

Just realised you’re too young to compare

[@Gus.MonFries]

​@@SpartanSteve-bq4ueyou are the problem

[@SpartanSteve-bq4ue]

@@Gus.MonFries Prove it , asshole

[@elliaisaacs]

@@SpartanSteve-bq4ueagree with what you’ve said mate. It’s the political correctness that’s destroying this. The people in the office have no experience and are only apply interpretations of what they believe they think is appropriate. It’s so disconnected from the reality.

[@BigAl4222]

Took them a minute to have a player comment who actually tackles.

[@johnmarc1986]

Maybe they need to look at the surface. Is the ground too hard, all of this happens when the player hits his head on the ground.

[@daniellebcooper7160]

how pathetic our great game has become...getting suspended for a 'omo' slur. Pathetic. Are they going to suspend players for calling each other the 'C' word, I dont think so.

[@imalwaysright]

They’re not the same, and you knew it, and it’s completely off topic from the video discussion at hand

[@daniellebcooper7160]

@@imalwaysright How is the 'omo' slur, different to being called a part of a woman?.

[@ben-uc1ud]

@@daniellebcooper7160 if youre gonna be like why do this if they dont do that, the as you call it 'omo' slur isnt referencing anything about the person other than insulting the sexuality. they are very very different

[@daniellebcooper7160]

@@ben-uc1ud theyre both insults. No straight Male likes being associated as a 'omo', nor do they like being associated as the lowest of the low.

[@ben-uc1ud]

@@daniellebcooper7160 didnt say the other one isnt an insult! but being a 'c word' is probably something you can change through your behaviours etc, whereas your sexuality is not

[@williamporter2867]

From a PR perspective its about protecting the player, in reality its about protecting the AFL cash. The only reasonable action is an impossibility and unless they have examples of what reasonable is then its not unreasonable. If they want to have a reasonable factor put up or shut up and admit its the cash not player protection thats driving this uncertainty.

[@williamporter2867]

Most sporting codes where the head it at risk the head is protected by headwear. The AFL will not take the proper action to protect its players by introducing head wear. If they were really serious that is the first point of call for them to look at but they would rather change the fabric of the game than look at protection wear. Clubs should be proactive and introduce headgear protection for their players. You can't take head clashes out of the game so introduce preventative measures or change the ball to a round ball and play Irish not Aussie rules.

[@tonymaiorano2749]

It is easy for the player being tackled to take a dive forward, knowing he will get a freekick.

[@SpartanSteve-bq4ue]

Cmon ! And risk brain damage and missing games or ending his career for a free kick? Think about what you said .

[@hayzy09]

​@@SpartanSteve-bq4uedo players exaggerate a push in the back while in a marking contest by diving forward? I bet in that second they only do it for a free kick and they won't be thinking about missing games or being concussed or life long head Injuries or ending their career they want a freek kick plain and simply

[@johnnybgood3909]

Players need to be instructed to play like Kevin Bartlett did. Dont tackle and run the other way.

[@andrewkerr5296]

Kingy crusaded about this BS years ago He caused the over the top response

[@joshuatoms1544]

I’m switching to NRL

[@imalwaysright]

good luck LOL

[@jasonevans4291]

I called this 12 months ago Steve Hocking's AFL X is Coming

[@FreddyJong-co6cb]

Lenny kravitz/Billy idol afl pre game entertainment grand final twilight or night 😂😂❤❤😂😂❤😂😂❤😂😂❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@BrayDiamond]

Are you on drugs?

[@Squirki]

Making rules including pseudo legal terms that no reasonable person or player can interpret. Another crock of BS served up by the AFL.

[@darylcumming7119]

Legal paranoia about possible future litigation rules at the moment.

[@Steve-ow7lc]

Firstly, As a kid, I was brought up on the Brady Bunch, McKales Navy and Gilligan's Island not forgetting Get Smart. Yep it's the Confusing Bunch alright. The AFL are destroying the game. Who in the AFL specifically are destroying our game? Who are they? If a very dictatorial dogmatic AFL continues to go in that direction, they'll be a break away league in the spirit of Kerry Packer. That's how serious it is. In worse case scenario I think the introduction of American style helmets will have to be introduced. But DO NOT change the rules of the game.

[@petermcculloch4933]

This is nothing but sensationalising crap.The slam your opponent into the ground tackle has snuck into the game.Back in the late sixties, seventies and early eighties, when I played.A period most would agree was nastier than todays footy is.In those days, if you wanted to hurt an opposition player, you hit him with a hip and shoulder.Of course, the hip and shoulder tackle was always a risk because he could dodge and you could end up hitting the fence, going A over T or making a fool of yourself.And if you missed, he still has possession of the ball.The other option and better choice for your team was to wrap your arms around him for a holding the ball decision or a ball up.There was no need to slam him into the ground.

[@bighairycat]

If the AFL is so protective of it's players (scared of litigation) then why not say that every player has to wear one of those padded helmet thingies like that Bulldogs player does? #CantWaitForTheHate

[@simonradley7109]

cos they don't protect against concussions

[@blastoise_ox342]

The game is getting destroyed. We as fans need to let the AFL know that we won't stand for this

[@ninjaturtle258]

So what I’m getting is players can’t sue for a concussion if the other player tackling is punished adequately in the law makers eyes? How fkn dumb. Fk this game they have torn it to shreds and I highly doubt they will back peddle at all. Hopefully ppl wake up to what they are doing and stop buying memberships and going to games to show we don’t stand for this rubbish.

[@storm4743]

The AFL have become a joke I have gone off the game big time

[@talbotdentureclinic9123]

Afl is getting destroyed 🤦‍♂️ Based in Melbourne so was inevitable