40k Stories - Legions: The Thousand Sons

[@RangerGeek71]

The Thousand Sons the only Chaos force I would ever play as I love thier lore.

[@Direwoof]

I love teh Nightlords too. Konrad wasn't bad either had a very strong sense of justice.

[@RustyARMPIT12]

@@Direwoof "There can be no justice without fear, no fear without suffering." - Konrad Curze Sounds like a swell guy

[@rylanwalker442]

I play NL, WE, DG, & SoM as renegades. I've never played TS but the lore is up there. I dont know who i like best though. NL are least interesting as far as lore. Just edge lords with cool bat wing helms, which is enough for me to like them, but it's not great lore.

[@TheZombieburner]

#MagnusDidNothingWrong

[@somerandomdude7785]

#BlameLorgar

[@some_shitposting_idiot3023]

@@somerandomdude7785 #blamehorus

[@tomtheconqerur]

@@some_shitposting_idiot3023 #BlameLogar

[@TheSinquisitor]

#BlameErebus @@tomtheconqerur

[@Voidling_System]

#MagnusDidNothingWrong

[@SSVjoker]

I still think that Magnus would never have turned traitor if Big E hadn't been the greatest hypocrite and banned sorcery and librarians. After all, if he hadn't tried to block him, Magnus would have warned about the Heresy the very same day it happened

[@darkhighwayman1757]

I think he had been in Tzeench's pocket for a long time he just didn't realize it.

[@terrybowman5870]

He told Magnus he was made with psyhic abiliyies, by design. Then told him not to use his powers. I can see how this would lead to what Magnus could see as a wink and nod, to go into seclusion, and keep working to harness his abilities. Thus why the Emperor said, bring them to me, not Horus' call of exterminate.

[@wilfordpadio7531]

"Knowledge is power guard it well" "None shall find us wanting"

[@niallreid7664]

Imagine a Heresy where Magnus didn't use the warp to warn the Emperor, and stayed loyal. And even made it to the battle of Terra.

[@darkhighwayman1757]

I think the whole Legion was tainted by Chaos from the get go and Magnus was at its heart. Not sure if it was by foolishness or that he knew but the taint was at the core of the Legion.

[@commanderbacara225]

@@darkhighwayman1757 The XV Legion is at its core imperator fidelis. In every scenario dialogue during the Battle of Prospero, the XV Legionnaires were shown to have given praise to the Emperor WHILE fighting off the Sanction Fleet. Even going so far as to believe the Sanction Fleet was a rogue attempt at overthrowing Imperial rule during the earlier skiemishes. I too would be pissed if the Imperium I have been fighting for has suddenly decided to destroy my planet with no prior warning.

[@paulbarton4395]

It would have seriously imbalanced the Heresy, the Traitors wouldn't have been at a serious disadvantage. The Emperor used tons of time and energy (and lost countless Custodes) keeping Warp entities from storming the palace from the Webway (see Master of Mankind by A.D.B.). Also, according to the Siege of Terra books, Ahriman was instrumental in helping get the Traitor fleets to Earth quickly, saving them months, a crucial time frame as Guilliman and the Lion were on their way

[@ThexVaultxTech]

Magnus is the luckiest Primarch? I'd say. Worst luck out all of them

[@InquisitorThomas]

Vulkan: Hold my beer.

[@TacticaImperialis]

I meant in terms of homeworld; almost anywhere else in what would become the Imperium, he'd have been a mutant and psyker and thus likely would have been hunted or chased out. Long term, definitely not the luckiest I agree

[@sindrimyr5351]

Inquisitor Thomas Angron: what were you saying punk?

[@ThexVaultxTech]

Eternal Life and totally unshakable morals, what a shit draw. Also, Michael, know you won't read this but Horus was born on Cthonia; he was probably the luckiest in reference to homeworld even in context of Magnus's Psyker level luck.... At least in my opinion

[@TacticaImperialis]

Horus wasn't born on Cthonia though, at least to my knowledge; being a Primarch, he will have been scattered with the rest. Plus, Cthonia was a pretty lawless world, and we know just about nothing about his early life, so I wouldn't like to compare the two.

[@lsiegris]

Ahzek Ahriman was Terran-born, not Prosperine.

[@mannofdober873]

A video on the Thousand Sons... And right now I'm painting my new Primaris Blood Ravens... Coincidence?

[@theomnissiah-9120]

just as planed

[@Philtopy]

Exactly one year later I watch this video first time, painting my own blood ravens as a first army. Do I sense a tradition here? :)

[@Bormannator]

Thousand Sun and Space wolves are the 2 legions that can be beaten with a vacuum cleaner

[@pyrosauria7444]

Ah the thousand sons, my favorite legion (with my second and third favorites being Imperial Fists and Salamanders) due to there unique talents, great armor, quest for knowledge, and wishing to remain loyal. It's such ashame that they were fucked from the start with Tzeentch playing them like a fiddle, everyone seemingly hating them, and the Wolf lords being hypocritical assholes. I would have actually loved it if the Space Wolves were told to dismantle there Wolf Priests as well to see what reaction they would have (especially when Daemons arrived). However after all this, one thing still remains odd to me...Why didn't the Emperor help cure the flesh change? I mean he needed the Thousand sons for something greater but turned a blind side when it came to the Sons of Magnus. It couldn't have been the same situation as it was with Angron. What do you believe? :o Also despite all the Thousands knowledge and relics being scattered and destroyed from the events at prospero. I have been working tirelessly to find all there relics and store them at my secret home. I've come to gather scrolls, tomes, books, weapons, armor sets, vehicles even, and etc. I've also come to gather other relics during my 10,000 years period (with mainly stuff from my species) but I'm quite impressed with all I've been able to find belonging to the Thousands Sons, here's hoping that damn Necrons lord doesn't find my home tho... >.>

[@InquisitorThomas]

Pyroskies *sees comment and picks up phone* Hey Trazyn, I've got some information you might be interested in...

[@pyrosauria7444]

Inquisitor Thomas you don't even know where my personal residence is Inquisitor. >:(

[@RocketHarry865]

@@InquisitorThomas Bloody Magpies were wiretapping into the phone-call

[@fallenbygravity]

I dont see the persian connections. Everything about their uniqueness looks egyptian to me.

[@Gutenbergler]

If I remember correctly, Egypt was a part of Persia during its peak, so I guess it makes sense. Culture absorption was also very common during the Bronze Age, so there's that as well.

[@eversobritish1335]

Ahriman and his brother are named after deities from Zoroastrianism

[@OmniGSage]

The Persian connection is more where they are originally from on Terra, their theme (which also has a bit of Mesoamérican) I assume came from Magnus and Prospero. This sort of thing happened with most of the legions, for example the members of the legion that would become the White Scars were originally from the Scotland-Ireland region, and the original members of the Raven Guard were from East Asia.

[@johnnyscifi]

The khopesh swords of Magnus are Egyptian...

[@johnnyscifi]

Ever So British Ahura Mazda, and Ahriman are arguably two sides of the same God in Zoroastrianism. With Ahriman being the dark side,and Ahura being white

[@wil0278]

Your lore has got me back into this stuff. Outstanding lad.

[@NegiTaiMetal011]

I wonder what it would be like if the Thousand Sons never turned traitor, that Magnus did not attempt to warn the Emperor. They might be useful in handling the webway, something that the Emperor really needs. Nice work as usual. I'm guessing the Imperial Fists are next, among my most favorites. Also do Grey Knights, Black Templars, Blood Ravens, Crimson Fists, few noteworthy successor chapters, notable Imperial Guard Regiments and, of course, the additional new info on the Primaris Marines along with the Indomitable Crusade, all this when you have the time. Maybe you can also do lore on the notable campaigns and battles as well. Keep it up!

[@TacticaImperialis]

The Fists are the next (and last) Legion, but as that series is bi-weekly there's one to go before then so feel free to re-guess! I'll be covering the Grey Knights for sure, and I'm sure I'll do some of your other suggestions too.

[@lordinquisitorsec7532]

Although the Blood Ravens could be successors of the Thousand Sons *Oh boy! Gabriel hey! I wasn't implying anything heretical he he he* *BLAM*

[@HaloFTW55]

*Walks away with Chapter Master Angleos* Well,reminds me of our old saying Chapter Master. "knowledge is power, guard it well."

[@lordinquisitorsec7532]

Ivan Lee Just don't nick my limited edition Khornate berserker's chainaxe

[@bloodraven7237]

You better not be implying what I think you are

[@lordinquisitorsec7532]

@@bloodraven7237 Nonsense. I merely have fetishistic battlefield scavenging.

[@bloodraven7237]

What is a lord Inquisitor doing with a khornate axe anyway

[@AshtonCoolman]

It may be heretical to say, but the Emperor was wrong about Magnus. Knowing what we know in the 41st, hindsight is 20-20. If only the Emperor had embraced psykers and also listened to Magnus. Chaos truly won and for 10,000+ years the Imperium has been suffering under their terms. What a tragedy this was...

[@oowen7734]

Just received 30k Magnus from fw today just letting it dry ;)

[@darkhighwayman1757]

It was interesting to me that Leman hated the 1000 sons so much when his gene seed was pretty twitchy and his guys had their own psykers .

[@Ra.vanZon]

I don't think russ hated his brother, at the burning of prospero he seemed sorrowful and devestated rather tgan anything else, that does not feel like hatred

[@IDICBeer]

Great listen thanks

[@noelwallinuppsala]

all hail the RED CHICKEN of Prospero!

[@willmoult6258]

Fabulous poetic intro, by the way

[@BuzzChronicles]

does anyone remember what happened to the Remembrancer who tried to escape from prospero but their ship was stoped right when they were ready to jump

[@eversobritish1335]

Futurescped it's explained in the book Crimson King

[@mal9310]

Logan Grminars axe made by khorne is the stupidest thing ever. Whoever came up with that idea should be smacked on the head.

[@jakobsjoling107]

Quite a few of the facts labelled "unknown" in this video are explained to various degrees in the book "A Thousand sons" by Graham McNeil.

[@TacticaImperialis]

That's fair - I haven't read it, so couldn't cross check. Would you mind clarifying said explanations, for everyone else's benefit?

[@unitedsknight7476]

The Thousand Sons are a sad story... Magnus tried

[@oxygencorrosion5640]

"Maggie within, Maggie without." -The Crimson Queer, Robot Guillimen

[@HexenProzess]

Oxygen Corrosion lol, Dorkhammer 40,000

[@JimmyStiffFingers]

Rowboat Girlyman.

[@lewiscollins8881]

Angron could have a good fight with russ and possibly win (especially in his demon form)

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

The Thousand Sons legion was not 1,000 legionaries total. In "A Thousand Sons", during the Battle of Prospero, it is mentioned that Ahriman counts about 1,000 survivors from the legion and states that it is “tenth of the Legion”. This indicates that the Thousand Sons had a full strength of 10,000 astartes. Magnus also tells his sons to submit to the punishment of the Emperor because it is just. Magnus, as usual, is a softy with his sons and cannot get them to follow his command. Only much later, when so many of his sons have fallen, does Magnus decide to fight. The Thousand Sons were always one of the best/worst legions in my view. Great potential, compelling direction and character, but they lacked any sincerity, proportion, or in general, they never grow up. They are talented childhood footballers that never get told no when they are young so they become spoiled children. Can you limit your use of power because you KNOW that the using it in front of people gets us in trouble? No Can you limit your use of power because you KNOW that it has something to do with instigating the flesh change? No Can you keep your word after agreeing to follow the outcome of Nikea? No Can you follow the word of your primarch to allow his arrest at the hands of Russ, thereby saving Prospero and perhaps the legion? No They fell because they could not balance themselves. That is why the quotes at the beginning of "Prospero Burns" are so important. There is no legitimate mechanism since the Horus Heresy that I have heard that explains the continual replenishing of the 15th either. Their story got sadly played out after the Battle of Terra and has been pretty badly done since then. Graham McNeill had a great book with "Thousand Sons", but then it more or less has been the road to "I don't really care what these nobodies do any more". Which is sad, because the planted seed from Graham was so promising.

[@TacticaImperialis]

I actually forgot to explicitly state it, but in Book 7 they state the Thousand Sons to be around 100,000. 63,000 ish were on Prospero, with the rest in the scattered fleets. Interesting insight into the 15th, I hadn't thought of it that way even though I can't say I 100% agree - remember, many within the Imperium wanted them culled before Magnus came along so they were pretty used to having detractors and critics.

[@kingbaldwiniv5409]

Thanks for the commentary. Congratulations again on the 10,000 subscribers! In "The Crimson King" it indicates in a number of places that Ammon was an astartes, not a modified person like Kor Phaeron or Luther. Just read that bit yesterday. The flesh change plagued them before Magnus, this seems like a good reason to justify their culling. In hind sight, it is an even better reason, considering that Magnus had to work a deal with Tzeench in order to get done what little he could, which didn't hold. Magnus then later (in The Crimson King which I was reading yesterday) rebuked Ahriman for trying to undo the flesh change saying that he was only being deceived. This seemed like a reference back to Magnus' deception at the hands of Tzeench.

[@carljhirst]

Who heard the " The Thousand Sons" Audio Book? AWESOME!!! thats why i came here, to get more K-sons juice. MAGNUSSSSSsssssss!

[@Matt-md5yt]

HOLY EMPEROR'S SPIRIT I WAS RIGHT!!! ALSO I HAVE 3 OF THE HORUS HERESY BOOKS NOW, GOTTEN THEM ON THURSDAY AT GOODWILL AND I WAS HAPPY!!

[@markbrigandi7497]

Matt Wow- what a lucky find! They’re such excellent books-

[@JacatackLP]

There was a deal on humble bundle that gave you the first 20 books in the series for 20$, best deal of my life

[@Eric-rr3zd]

Anybody else think that they were sort of prototypes for the Grey Knights?

[@masterspookums6506]

WHAT!!!! 😡 Angron beat the shit out of that mangy mutt! One on one close combat. There is no one better than the Red Angel.

[@TacticaImperialis]

They say Russ held back in that fight, trying to prove a point, so we can't be sure whether Angron did actually win fairly

[@marq0992]

Tactica Imperialis Is it coincidence that only the defeated that say things like that? 🙄

[@niallreid7664]

Master Spookums There were plenty better than Angron. In one on one Fulgrim is the best there is, followed by most likely the Lion, Horus and Sanguinius. Angron is strong and a berserker, but he isn't the most skilled fighter of all the Primarchs.

[@alexanderlmarch]

Just read betrayer and magnus seemed to lack humility when he was talking to logar

[@sindrimyr5351]

Alex well he was kind of pissed of because lorgar fucked everyone....and if we remember that Magnus was fractured after his fight with Russ so not really being his old self.

[@golgarisoul]

Can you do a video on how a theoretical scenario where Nikaea didn't ban the Librarius could have happened?

[@spratimus6498]

I thought janus identity was a mystery? If not what book is it in

[@Hangman1]

Emperor the biggest hypocrite ever

[@avdv2911]

Question is there rhime or reason to your legion series schedule with the first legion being one of the later videos and the 17 and 10th legion being first

[@TacticaImperialis]

The Word Bearers were first because of viewer request. I linked the Legions together via matching themes with the interim videos, and I knew where I wanted to finish as well. So there is reason for the running order, but it is a little obscure unless you have the schedule of all the interim episodes too

[@Jaeger_Bishop]

My sword brothers and I shall be waiting,,,,,Tau, then once aboard the eternal crusader you will help explain the treachery of the Achlesiarchy and the Inquisition who claim to speak for the emperor!

[@TacticaImperialis]

Um, you believe in the same thing the Ecclesiarchy does...

[@Jaeger_Bishop]

My predecessors did, however after finding out that the echlesiarchy's teachings come from a book written by the traitor Lorgar...well let's just say it took several days of combat to vent that amount of anger.

[@datfox2844]

Are you going to.go over the lore covered in future horus heresy books?

[@TacticaImperialis]

I will endeavour to do so, perhaps via addendum videos for the relevant Legions, but I can't promise anything!

[@Ost6891]

The lion could stand toe to toe with Russ

[@megaduck7965]

ost66 he did

[@wil0278]

The lion every time

[@Memento--Mori]

Magnus was about to kill Russ, when his two wolves saved his ass... lmao the viking primarch got btfo in single combat, by the sorcerer primarch.

[@ArkillianSolaris]

@@Memento--Mori it's like a knight being beat by a mage in hand-to-hand combat in some Rpg but sadly needs outside help to beat the mage

[@shiroyasha4995]

remember prospero

[@PraveXsz]

Did the 15th and 18th legions have good relations or no?

[@GSOLID8]

Has there been any battles between the Thousand Sons & the White Scars

[@TacticaImperialis]

Not to my knowledge, and certainly not in the Heresy era. The White Scars did go to Prospero, but they fought the Death Guard as the Thousand Sons were already on Sortiarius by then

[@jacobs4545]

Bjorn vs ahriman, to the death, who wins?

[@JacatackLP]

Jacob Siegel there’s a lotttttt of variables there.

[@InquisitorThomas]

OoC: So if you address any events from 8th edition doesn't that imply this story took a 200 year time skip between the episode you referred to the gathering storms as recent events and the episodes you start talking about events that take place in 8th?

[@zenoblues7787]

Inquisitor Thomas TIME HOLDS NO SWAY IN THE WARP

[@samuelpurton5416]

In which book or dex is the origins.of janus the grey knights

[@TacticaImperialis]

I believe the book is called "The Last Son of Prospero"

[@joshuamedina7292]

Why didn't the Emperor help them?

[@peterparker8462]

Armon=LOGIC

[@richardb4907]

You going to pull a 40k theories on us and drop in the other legions?

[@TacticaImperialis]

How do you mean?

[@richardb4907]

Tactica Imperialis his alternate history he dropped in a final episode at the end with the lost and the purged primarches walking in to the throne room. Maybe I have enjoyed your series and now it's the end

[@TacticaImperialis]

I don't plan to cover the Lost Legions in this series, simply because we don't have enough canonical information on them and it would be better suited as a theory than a lore video.

[@richardb4907]

Tactica Imperialis fair enough

[@macfin4862]

#Magnusdidnearlyeverythingwrong

[@Hammer_Of_Olympia]

Magnus has a very tragic story as do The Thousand Sons. He was just trying to help the Imperium but nope, accidentally led to that one incident and ruined everything. The emperor is a tad hypocritical

[@benjaminfrench901]

Angron can take the Wolf King

[@Matt-md5yt]

I captured a Thousand Son MAGGOT and have him shipped to the Wolves in a cage. That Maggot is frozen now

[@pyrosauria7444]

Send this Thousand Son to me along with his gear at once soldier.

[@Matt-md5yt]

I will send you some men from them and a Dreadnaught.

[@thewayfarer8849]

There are no wolves on Fenris. And there won't be any wolves in the Imperium soon, once everyone discovers your abominable mutations and Prospero rises again ;)

[@HaloFTW55]

-Time for us Blood Ravens to steal our predecessor-

[@commanderbacara225]

Scytale of Riviera Funnily enough. As of 999 M41, there are no more wolves on Fenris. Actually, there are no more lifeforms on Fenris after being semi exterminatused.