Tactical Tailor MALICE Frame vs. USGI LC-2 ALICE Frame. Differences and Features.

In this video, you see the TT MALICE Frame next to a LC-2 ALICE Frame.
The MALICE Frame weighs approximately 8 oz. more than the ALICE Frame. Using my old-school, possibly inaccurate scale, MALICE weighed 3 pounds and the ALICE weighed 2.5 pounds. TT claims that MALICE weighs 30% less than other aftermarket ALICE type frames. I don't know what manufacturers they we comparing to.
MALICE frame has welded joints vs. riveted joints on ALICE. MALICE is much stiffer and tougher.
The MALICE uses approx. 3/4 diameter tubing vs. 5/8 diameter tubing on ALICE.

[@mariastevens6406]

Thanks for this. I used alice in the army. When a rivet beoke in the field, we just popped it out with out knife, ran some 550 cord through and tied the point off until we could replace it. Those things broke on us a lot.

[@barnaclebill1615]

I’ll take 8oz less than “possibly” never popping rivets! Nice review! 👍👍😁🇺🇸

[@eskimomarine2252]

Thanks for watching! The price on these has gone up with all of the metal prices. It cost $200 now!

[@MTwoodsrunner]

OK!...well, i have had a few issues with the Malice frame...four of which come to mind. #1, you cannot use a Cargo shelf with the Malice. #2 if using the medium Alice with the Malice frame, the cross bar takes up way to much space inside an already small rucksack. #3 if you were unlucky enough to break a welded seam it would be unrepairable in the field and out. #4...not really an issue for me but half a pound heavier is still half a pound heavier. I could maybe find one or two other things i did not care for on my Malice frame...but i think you get my point my friend...Thanks for sharing your opinions and for defending this Country Charles!!!

[@eskimomarine2252]

I understandnabout the shelf, that is one that I don't like. I will try a shelf from the Lightweight Rucksack shelf, although it would have to sit on top of the bottom box. Yes, the crossbar does protrude, but I won't use it with ALICE pack. It should be nice for use with the adjustable ergo shoulder pads. I don't foresee breaking a weld, but I do carry plumber's epoxy putty. Yes, 8 oz. more weight is a bit, but I am not at the stage where I have to reduce weight and I figure that with the TT ruck already weighs 2.5 lbs. less than the USMC Pack weighs. The slots on the side should work well with the jib-jab tabs on the bottom of that ruck as well.

[@hellcatdave1]

@@eskimomarine2252 Have you had any success with the Lightweight rucksack shelf? I believe that one requires a strap on it to prevent the shelf from rotating?

[@turtlewolfpack6061]

Can't go wrong with a bombproof frame, although it seems that the Alice frame rivets fail a lot more often than the Canadian C2 that I own. I have an original riveted issue one and a reproduction that was once made by a surplus place here in Canada based on the original welded version. I love them both and hands down my favorite frame!

[@gregandy4277]

The tactical tailor frame is made of titanium, not aluminum. It says so right on their website. It is both lighter and stronger than the standard ALICE frame. Also, with a rounded bottom bar, it makes it more difficult to mount the metal shelf for a radio pack. I only mention this because some people like to mount for carrying wood and other things on the frame.

[@eskimomarine2252]

Online, it currently says it is aluminum. It does say that it is lighter than the aftermarket reproductions (think Rothco). It weighs approximately 8 oz. more than the green issued one that I show in the video.

[@Janko630]

Great content as always! Keep up the great work.

[@eskimomarine2252]

Thanks for watching! I'll post again when I can afford Adjustable, low-profile, Super straps to complete the rucksack.

[@a45456565]

Thank you😺

[@nomadmarauder-dw9re]

Can the Malice mount the MOLLE 2 suspension system?

[@eskimomarine2252]

I believe that it can, but I don't have Molle 2. It should mount on it similar to the Wildcat ALICE Pack. They have videos of that.

[@carlcox7332]

Don't see any reason why it wouldn't. Molle2 works great on the regular Alice. The malice would probably be better with the bottom y strap on the shoulder yoke. On the Alice you kinda have to go around the vertical cross bar. The malice doesn't have that bar

[@2ltsuprise]

Thank you for sharing everything you post! I find you often cover details that are missed by others and as a fellow milsurp collector I find your information invaluable. I cannot stress how much I appreciate your content. I took three trains to the other side of Germany to pick up a Condor Mo-93, all because your video was probably one of the most honest assessments of it.

[@eskimomarine2252]

Kein Problem! Es freut mich das zu hoeren! How do you like the bicycle? I usually try to show different things, but not always and not elegantly. I am too busy working to spend time to learn how to edit and add other things to videos.

[@2ltsuprise]

@@eskimomarine2252 I live in Berlin and when I go riding in Brandenburg it is really flat so the gears are no problem at all. It was your video more than anyone else that sold me on what a useful bicycle it is! Don't worry about elegance. I truly enjoy and benefit from each video!

[@eskimomarine2252]

I love Berlin! I was there during the 750th Anniversary and visited East Berlin. Ich bin Austauschstudent gewesen.

[@sheepkashur3308]

Does the malice frame still accept alice kidney pads or is it very proprietary?

[@eskimomarine2252]

Yes, it does. The pass-through holes are the same size as the rings on an ALICE pack.

[@codexcalderon2203]

How to order that item, I'm from Philippines plsss help

[@MountainManAK20]

Does the malice pack fit on the old Alice frame well or at all?

[@eskimomarine2252]

It is the exact dimension. It fits the same!

[@codexcalderon2203]

I need that frame, I'm military here in Philippines, plsss help how to order sir.

[@eskimomarine2252]

I haven't found a place that ships it out of the USA

[@eskimomarine2252]

Try Opticsplanet

[@codexcalderon2203]

@@eskimomarine2252 ah, I'm if I transfer a cash and then plsss buy for me and ships here in Philippines, what do you think?? If okay

[@codexcalderon2203]

@@eskimomarine2252 what it's opticsplanet??

[@eskimomarine2252]

Opticsplanet is a website that sells the frame and other Tactical Tailor items.

[@Zulutime44]

Your GI frame is bent. The central vertical rib is bent in towards the wearer. If you intend to use it, I suggest you bend it back out to provide the proper amount of clearance from your back.

[@eskimomarine2252]

Thanks! That is my son's pack/frame. I'll let him know.

[@larry-fr1zr]

You ramble on. Write yourself a script and practice in front of a mirror or record yourself giving your information until you speak with confidence. Then redo the video.

[@eskimomarine2252]

Sage advice. I am working 70 hours a week, and it is difficult for me to even make any videos, So I just blunder through to get it out. I know that it is difficult for viewers, yet it is worse in my mind not to do anything.