Best Combat Pistol Optics: Trijicon vs Aimpoint vs Holosun vs Vortex vs PA Vulcan Head to Head

[@sherizaahd]

9:01 Trijicon RMR, 12:56 Aimpoint ACRO, 16:20 Holosun 507, 20:47 Trijicon SRO, 25:39 Holosun 509, 30:29 Primary Arms Vulcan Holosun, 36:44 Vortex Defender CCW

[@lobotomite9767]

Thanks bro

[@thestacheplays]

Hey thanks, this is a 47 min video with 6 min of useful info.

[@davezemba9109]

​@@thestacheplays saved me 45 of 47 min. I'm out of here.

[@robertlowery3918]

Romeo 5 works for me at a much lower price. 4 years and still working without any problems, save your money and buy one you will never regret it.

[@anson__carter]

Thanks smh ppl be rambling sometimes lol

[@WolfAnnihilatorX]

Karl mentions racking a pistol off someone’s eye socket so often that I’m starting to believe he’s done it in for real in his previous life hahaha

[@jessefincham8899]

Steelers blow…. Go flock 💪

[@GetMeThere1]

I watch a shit ton of gun channels on youtube. This is the ONLY ONE where I let the info go straight into my brain without inhibition. You ALWAYS provide well-considered information and insights -- much of which is never even considered by others. You're an awesome resource of valuable information, and I thank you for it!

[@SatanasExMachina]

Brass facts?

[@essaarif7941]

As an Iraqi living in the USA, seeing all the photographs in the back and the AK makes me happy. Thank you for your service

[@alexanderhaile6196]

For the record, you can turn off the giant outer ring on the Holosun 509R ACSS to save on battery life. Then you just have the chevron reticle. For those shooters who appreciate the outer ring but hate the battery life being so greatly reduced, they've found that the outer ring helps with training. It teaches you to find your reticle faster and maintain consistent presentation, but then during serious use it can be turned off when you're confident enough to use the chevron alone. You can also turn off the adaptive brightness feature so it's totally manual brightness only. The shake awake feature can be turned off too, but it's a nice feature. It takes almost no movement to activate the reticle, so don't worry about using this feature on a duty weapon.

[@TacticalRifleman]

Thanks for sharing. We did a whole separate other video just on the 509 Vulcan, that you can find in our video archive.

[@joebenson528]

I'll use the brand that isn't arming "not sees" in UA.

[@bdof1]

@joebenson528 Lol, Wut?

[@theangrycanuck8331]

​@@joebenson528American made ones?

[@2A2DEATH]

I've been eyeing this holosun for little time now I'm so tempted to get it

[@bandanabanana3162]

I don't have any pistol optics yet but I have to thank you for making this video! I got to see the top tier and the knowledge of what to look for in an optic. Thank you so much!

[@jeffparcel]

I had a rear glass break on my Acro after about 9 months of duty use. Still worked but sent it back to Aimpoint and they had a new one to me in a week. Excellent service from Aimpoint!

[@benjaminbodsford611]

newbie here. I am about 12 minutes in and your demonstrations are leaps and bounds of what I have been watching for the past three hours. You sound legit. OK going back in TY

[@patrickseaman]

I have both Acro and Holosun EPS & the EPS Carry MRS. A big difference for me is the option for a green reticle version. This works better for my eyes than red --- as well as my preference for the ring of death reticle variants on the Holosun.

[@melissasmess2773]

The human eye is more sensitive to detecting the color green, than the color red. There’s no reason to still be making red dots.

[@patrickseaman]

@@melissasmess2773 The best dots for me have been either green or the 'gold' ones

[@lucastonoli3256]

@@melissasmess2773 That's dead-ass wrong though. The human eye detects more color variations on the green spectrum, it isn't more sensitive to detecting it or anything like that.

[@Visual217]

​@@melissasmess2773green dots can also somewhat disappear when aiming against green environments in the right lighting conditions

[@funkwizardband]

@@melissasmess2773 Green laser diodes basically just take near-infrared lasers, stick some semi-reflectors in them, and double the frequency/halve the wavelength of light coming out the emitter. Other methods end up being cost prohibitive or like force you to put a car battery in your pistol sight

[@susanbritcher]

I love my Vulcan and struggle when I go back to a regular red dot, might just be what I’m used too but I definitely think that outer ring plays a huge part. I get a bit of smack talk at the range for it….until they try it!!

[@TacticalRifleman]

Totally agree!

[@nomorerainbows]

@@TacticalRifleman I have not had the chance to try the vulcan, but i can say for sure that even the 33 moa circle dot reticle on my 507C helps a lot when alignment is not perfect.

[@Valorius]

@@nomorerainbows I have a Sig Romeo Zero elite with the circle dot on my Sig P322, and agree completely. I wish it was a 60 moa dot, that would be absolutely perfect, but even the 33 moa dot is a big help shooting from unusual angles and positions, or in really low light.

[@willy4869]

The vulcan is the best! Hands down. I show mine to people at comps that are running sro's and dpp's and they want a vulcan after that.

[@RiggidTactical]

Nothing wrong with the Vulcan but it can be a crutch that holds you back from developing the muscle memory needed to always see the dot. I always suggest the Vulcan to my friends who don't have the time to practice with red dots as much. It is a great idea that I hope gets adopted by more companies!

[@jonwilliams4866]

A 50 minute Christopher Walken impression

[@patrickcarney9474]

You are so right! I never thought of that but you hit the nail on the head. Matter of fact and the little snippets like racking the optic on the guys eye socket keeps you entertained as you gain knowledge.

[@samz727]

lol

[@Buma21]

Lmfao

[@eastwindfarms3671]

🇺🇸

[@eastwindfarms3671]

I usually don’t like this channel because you’re army and I am Marines 😆, but it was a very informative video even a year later. Semper Fi.🇺🇸

[@SpartanB377]

I have the 509 Vulcan on a G45 and the RMR on my Sig XTen. I like both quite a bit. My last department required us to run ACROs on G17s. I had a P-1 that I destroyed during a training. The P-2 was a huge improvement, but it still had such a super narrow window box that under stress it made it had to find the dot. I also shoot guns that aren't glock and if you get used to presenting other grip angles, like the Sig for example, the Glock doesn't immediately line up on presentation when you transition back to using that platform.

[@АлакПатрова]

Thats me training and carrying a beretta 92 to a glock. I hate the grip angle of the glock

[@Victor-hb4hj]

Karl, continuing to pray that you heal quickly with little or no pain. To be honest you look better after the procedure than I feel most days.

[@TacticalRifleman]

Thanks. So far rehab is going great

[@awokeone7997]

Former owner of RMR, sold it, got Holosun 507c, love it. Had it for about 5 yrs now and no issues. Also have 2 509t and recently sold a 508t V2 big buttons so I can try out the EPS MRS. No complaints and highly recommend Holosuns.

[@АлакПатрова]

Halosun fuckin rocks

[@chrisdrummond380]

What made you sell your RMR my friend?

[@awokeone7997]

@chrisdrummond380 I was new to red dots and the small window, plus having to add the sealing plate. I just found Holosun with more features, a little bigger window and now with the side battery tray. I love the 509t's and will purchase a EPS and 507 Comp

[@tv321123]

@@chrisdrummond380 I relegated my rmr to a acog mount after trying the MRS EPS with green recital. Much cleaner sight picture without the tint, easier to keep clean, and liking the 2moa dot with donut.

[@Skinnymoose]

I've had bad luck with Holosun. My last 507 c lasted less than 200 rds before it started freaking out and turning itself on and off. Chinese junk.

[@willyb3475]

Carl is a great presenter, explains things very well. But the addition of the animation graphics really brought it to the next level. Currently using a MOS G19 RMR but after this I have some good choices to make when I get a new pistol.

[@DieselTech15]

I love getting firearm information from Christopher Walken, it's the best😂

[@jong6741]

More Cowbells!

[@erikmckaygunsmithing6470]

Great video, very hands on an informative. I'm still an nite sight irons guy on my pistols. I have started to add lights to rifles and pistols. Old school recon guy at heart.

[@clockworknunez-dv2yh]

Every day is “bring your dog to work day” at the Vortex HQ in TX. That’s why I love Vortex

[@jb7483]

Yeah, but when it's bring your dog to work and your red dot is made in China, I love my pet, and I love my life. I'll take an Aimpoint or Trijicon.

[@vegeta420z]

​@@jb7483😂🤣😂🤣 In China they just call it bringing lunch to work.

[@kujokage1911]

@@jb7483china bad 🤓 I wonder where you got the electronic you used to post that

[@jklop7841]

@@kujokage1911If it’s iPhone or Samsung it was Japan.

[@leehrvyoswld]

​@@jklop7841Korea 😂

[@Valorius]

I uploaded a video a couple weeks ago violently throwing my Romeo Zero Elite mounted to my Sig P322 on the ground and bouncing it off rocks, and it holding zero. The UI is not the greatest, but it is definitely tough as nails.

[@vegeta420z]

The 509T was made of titanium the newer 509 with the ACSS Vulcan reticle is made of Aluminum like the 507C series. Also you can extend the battery life by turning off the outer 250 moa circle

[@DANIELRODRIGUEZ-yr3et]

Thank you for everything you do Carl. Your opinion is valuable to us.

[@B_Trott]

I appreciate the info. I’ve been running the HS507xc for 4 years now and it has taken a beating without any issues. But I have been seriously considering getting the HS 509 Vulcan, and this pushes me strongly in that direction. Thank you.

[@jeffreylocke8808]

I use a Holosun 508T titanium solar panel backup red dot on my M&P 2.0 10mm with a 4.625 inch quad ported barrel. Used a C&H Precision aluminum mounting plate and stainless steel screws with blue loctite to hold it fast.

[@АлакПатрова]

Wonderful setup

[@9mmARman]

I'm not going to lie, I was one of those "old guys" that thought optics on carbines was a mistake. I was never in the service, so my opinions came from a law enforcement background. I've used optics on my competition handguns since the mid to late 1980's. Back then the battery life and durability of the then new Tasco ProPoint tube dot sights. We all had two for every handgun because one was usually back at Tasco to be repaired under warranty. I would have never considered one for serious use. Fast forward, all my working carbines has a quality optic, and in the past few years I've even been carrying with an optic on my carry guns, now that it's been proven we can rely on them. I'm old and stubborn, but I'm willing to accept new technology, sometimes. I still like my flip phone! Just kidding.

[@tacbear]

OMG.... I have UN-Subscribed to every so called Tactical Utuber! except YOU! I am USAF SOF..Retired and you are SCHOOLING all the other so called Tactical KZbinrs!! This is the best Vid on Tactical Red Dots I have ever seen. I now train SWAT teams for my states Peace Officers Standards and Training Division and you have given me a lot of GOOD info to pass on to the next generations Tactical Teams! Thank You for your service Sir, from a 14 year Military SSGT and 25 year Civilian State Trooper CPL. SWAT Asst. Team Leader/SWAT Instructor/#1 Sniper/ Mantracker Instructor/Tactical Rappel Master Instructor.

[@TacticalRifleman]

Thanks, I appreciate that. Keep training them. Thanks for watching and thank you for your service. Strength and Honor, TR

[@Gilgamesh347]

I really appreciate the time and effort it took to cover this many optics in a single video = pure gold. I’m just now getting into reflex sights. My use case is just a civilian enthusiast with home defense and CCW applications. Currently, I’m learning to shoot pistols with the Holosun 508T. I like the green, shake-awake for night stand use, solar backup, side battery tray, and MRS multiple reticle system. I’ll probably settle on dot but having that circle as a learning aid or for close range is sort of nice. I’m sure I’ll become interested in the closed emitter options in the future!

[@ToddEPatterson-TLP]

I’m glad you discussed the value of the VOTEX coming with all the proper Hardware for the proper frame. I was looking to Move a Nikon P223 from one Rife to the next and the 6X48 screw on the rail clamps were worn past being perfect. I never realized how rare these type of Hardware were to come by. When I finally find a supplier I by a “BOX” of them. I’m not going to let a $.50 Screw stop me from do the job right…. Thanks for share your knowledge and Thank you for your Service!

[@JPK1981]

THIS! This is the type of review I expect! Fantastic information and real-world compatibility! Liked and sub'd!

[@JoshuaE-BiblePatriot]

The brace before the KZbin commercial made my day man. You saved me

[@withoutfurtheradoforever]

This was a class, not just a video. Thanks, Karl.

[@TacticalRifleman]

Sorry, I’m long winded

[@withoutfurtheradoforever]

@TacticalRifleman We appreciate that, Karl. Talk away!

[@charlesmckinley29]

@@TacticalRiflemanno apologies needed. You are dumping information we don’t have to time and money to accumulate with experience and ethics we can trust! Thank you!

[@timmydevil999]

No need to apologize this was informative and to the point. You are an engaging teacher thanks a ton.

[@austinsuman4090]

Great review, very informative. Ive been checking out the Vortex Defender for a little while now and this made up my mind. 43:20 he sounds like Christopher Walken😂

[@guidostass4777]

Two weeks ago, I bought a Walther Q4 SF with a Trijicon SRO. This is a perfect match. Not cheap but 100% fun. Best of both worlds.

[@cfzippo]

Excellent video, New subscriber as well. (Former USAF F-16 guy, spent 2 years and Desert Shield/Storm with the 101st, ALO, and had a good buddy at 5th group in 89-90 that I shot my M1A NM in DCM with. Damn I can’t remember the name…) I’m watching on my Apple IPad made in China. I have the new Vortex Defender for my smaller Sig 365X Macro, my carry gun, and I really like it, and yep, love the support in the box, screws etc. I have become a fan of the Primary Arms green Vulcan reticle!! Big time, as at 62 years I don’t see as well and have astigmatism, worse in my dominate shooting eye. I all ready started out and now have 3 of the PA 507C with Vulcan, love the chevron sight. Boy I think I’d like the 509! But cost. Now you’ve answered a question. I’ve taken a lot of classes with my Sig M18 with PA 507C, and I have noticed about a 2-3 month battery life. Glad I’m not the only one! I’ll take that Vulcan reticle and buy more batteries. Thanks for the review!

[@charlesmckinley29]

Another benefit is for older people with hand strength issues from arthritis or a stroke. The ability to put the optic on the heel of the hand to rack the slide rather than trying to grip it is a huge plus. The ACSS Vulcan is a great reticle for those who are older and need help finding the dot.

[@nomorerainbows]

I personally think the ACSS is great for everyone, especially if you're not using it for recreational activities.

[@Hammerback0]

In law enforcement training, we did drills shooting weak hand unsupported and had to chanhe magazines, rack the iron sites on our boot heel, all weak handed. Good drill. I guess if someone cant "rack the slide" it would be difficult to rack the slide using irons.

[@charlesmckinley29]

@@Hammerback0 sadly a lot of rear sights have been “smoothed” to not catch on clothing so they don’t work well for the drill you used.

[@nomorerainbows]

@@Hammerback0 Modern irons are shaped such that you can use your belt to rack them too. Well, good ones are at least.

[@johnnylinebarger4512]

You rock Brother. The most informative Red Dot video out there. Thank you. Please keep up the good work.

[@TacticalRifleman]

I appreciate that!

[@reekgoesoutside]

Holosun has been pushing the envelope for the past few years. I have an EPS and SCS and they have both been flawless.

[@Valorius]

I have a HS 507C and it's fantastic.

[@hardcore4476]

@@ValoriusMe to ACSS Vulcan Green! Love it and leaning 509 enclosed ACSS for next purchase. However they have so many great options lately.

[@johnbrady9946]

Karl your content is top notch no matter what the subject. Thanks, JB.

[@Valorius]

While I do not think red dots have any practical value for typical CCW ranges, there is *no question* that they massively increase hit probability at long range. I have uploaded a video shooting a *leaf* at 153 yds with my Sig P322/romeo zero elite, loaded with cheap bulk pack Remington Golden bullet ammo. My CCW gun does not have a dot, but my homestead P322, where I may have to make long shots, you bet it has a dot. Just 5 days ago I shot a possum at 50yds at night with my P322. That said, you better be prepared to do THOUSANDS of presentations with a red dot if you are going to rely on one for defensive use. These are NOT for casual shooters who won't practice, and they DEFINITELY not for people who are going to buy a gun, shoot it once or twice, and put it in their nightstand drawer.

[@a-t5380]

I have been only shooting for a year and some change and figure I should master irons first before I go to the optic.. do you think that is decent logic? I go to the range bi weekly and put about shoot about 150 rounds.. practicing fundamentals and pulling from the holster

[@Skinnymoose]

I'd say out to 15 yds im slightly faster with iron sights. From 15 to 100 yds the dot is better hands down. The dot is way more precise for me than the irons. Head shots out to 35 yds are super easy. All said i'd say the dot is the way to go.

[@mdixongross]

This guy is an eternally certified badass, old school style. You can hear it in his voice.

[@patmaloney1140]

I have several different dots. Just got a 509 Vulcan. I can't stress how impressed I am with it. The chevron is great for accuracy. The ring is great for ppl new to the dot. It's awesome for moving and shooting and shooting from weird positions. At least look at one of these before making your next dot choice.

[@TacticalRifleman]

Too true

[@AMCAL2311]

Karl you got this Christpher Walken thing going and it's cool it's like hearing him talk about gun shit....nice video I'm Rocking the 509T on my OA DEFENSE COMBAT PRO..

[@Stoney_AKA_James]

Great discussion Karl My first optic was the Trijicon RMR, but now use an Aimpoint Acro P2. Won't ever go back to an open emitter optic again. I do have to say that Holosun has really upped the game and will probably be my next purchase, i.e. the Holosun HE509T-GR.

[@TacticalRifleman]

My current optic on both my work pistols ( G-45 & Sig M-18) is the 509 enclosed emitter with the Vulcan reticle

[@Stoney_AKA_James]

@@TacticalRifleman The Holosun HE515GT that I am wanting is for a long-gun, I do like the Holosun HE509, but as of right now, I don't have a need for it.

[@Stoney_AKA_James]

@heavenboundtrucker4444 The Holosun HE515GT that I am wanting is for a long-gun, I do like the Holosun HE509, but as of right now, I don't have a need for it.

[@MikeDMac]

TY for the info based on experience. Very helpful.

[@ph00ny1]

EPS is a great alternative to 509 due to the fact that it can be installed lower than 509 Also they came out with a 507 comp for folks wanting the largest window. Another key thing to remember is the titanium housing variants that are offered

[@JoeBlow-ub1us]

It would be sweet if they came out with a vulcan eps, even if it was slightly larger like the vulcan 509

[@ph00ny1]

@@JoeBlow-ub1us Definitely. That would be an awesome combo

[@n1iex]

Great review on those pistol optics thanks!

[@hoosiered471]

Very in-depth review, just what I was looking for!!! Thanks Karl!!! Yet, I'm personally not quite sold on pistol red dot optics....IMO. Semper Fi.

[@philtorres3402]

This is the most informative video I have seen to date on the topic at hand presented in an outstanding manner. Excellent communicator. Impressive! Submitted from a retired Marine.

[@TacticalRifleman]

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching and thank you for your service. TR

[@PipeFighter83]

Mr. Rifleman, Me and my 9 year old Son love your channel. We get so much help from your content. We enjoy watching you and your friends. Please stay around and keep helping us make educated decisions! Best, The Sanchez Family

[@TacticalRifleman]

Thanks for the support.

[@arnicus208]

Weapon mounted lights on EDC guns are a must. I totally agree with the auto brightness being just a selling point. It’s essentially useless in a tactical, light/dark/light environment. Just wish more holster makers would get the memo and offer more IWB options with lights.

[@captaincaveman2501]

Yes and reflectors on clothing with neon lights that say "I'm right here" are a must also.

[@jeremiasbaez7537]

first time watching this channel I have watched multiple reviews but this one is the best by far! New subscriber 👍

[@TacticalRifleman]

Welcome aboard!

[@AlexLee-dc2vb]

I think the reason why it's taken so long for pistol optics to catch on is because they're more of a pain to mount than rifle red dots. Pistols need to all come with slides already cut for optics.

[@boygonewhoopdataZZ]

Yea but not all pistols have enough space on the slide that can fit an ACRO or a 509t mounting system

[@Fabrizio7171]

Look around. There hasn’t been a time with so many different pistols with optic ready slides from factory.

[@melissasmess2773]

Would have been nice if there was only one mounting pattern that everyone uses.🧐

[@chtomlin]

yes, and even with the cuts, matching your cut to the optic you pick is a pain as well.

[@thegoodguy729]

Canik MC9 comes cut and you can co-witness the iron sights with say a Holosun 507K. You’ll never lose your dot again if you can see your irons. 👍

[@Nontacticalboy]

Just bought a 407C after my rmr went dead for no apparent reason, wqs working, removed to change the battery and it wont start. I went with holosun because im seeing a few very high end custom 1911s smiths using holosun on their $5000 - $6000 1911s. I thought if its good enough for those, its good enough for my glock 19

[@brettinnj]

Fantastic job on editing. The graphics were great. Thank you for the video.

[@TacticalRifleman]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@barrygoodson4952]

I use a Holoson 407K Green dot that's 6moa. Thats why I got the 407 because I wanted Green and 6 Moa . It's on a defensive carry pistol and that was what is needed moa wise. I am pleased with it after two years owning it.

[@vegeta420z]

Holosun EPS, and EPS carry are really nice too, we'll likely see more full size pistols start coming with shield rmsc footprint to accommodate the EPS

[@user-qm9oo2fd2o]

My eyes aren’t what they used to be. Just ordered an FN510 for back country hiking in Wyoming. It’ll be carried in a chest holster so an enclosed emitter is mandatory. I’m new to pistol optics so this video is informative…Thank you.

[@scottkelly7051]

Another great video Karl. Just put a Holosun 507c with the green reticle on my Glock 45. I'm kicking myself for waiting so long. I'm 61 with sketchy eyesight and it's been a total game changer.

[@TacticalRifleman]

Right on

[@fg3901]

Green is the way!

[@ronstopfer2315]

Best video on optics I have seen! Great job!!!

[@TacticalRifleman]

Glad it was helpful!

[@squidly2112]

I love my Holosun 507k X2 sights for my P365's .. awesome red dot for my EDC's. My Sig Romeo1 Pro isn't too bad either for my P320.

[@useryggfdcc]

I bought a Sig Romeo1 being cheap ass but also since much wasn't available in communist Canada, it works ok on the P320 but the mounting holes needs to be wider... about .5mm. Also the regular P320 is not optics ready.....another $600.

[@adrianlouviere7650]

Very informative. I learned so much. I knew nothing. Thanks

[@TacticalRifleman]

Glad it was helpful!

[@dh6937]

"Metric shit ton of light" 😂😂😂😂😂

[@ericshurtz4901]

I'm kind of surprised the Holosun SCS didn't make the list it's quite an amazing pistol optic and I hear they're working on a closed emitter version!!!

[@madczechoutdoors1088]

That’s what I carry on duty. Love it. No problems so far.

[@ditchgator1]

Can't tell you how useful and informative your class on optics is, for a newbie like me. Having enclosed with battery changes without losing zero is important to me. The Holosun 509 seems to have it all for me. Surprised to learn Vortex is the only manufacturer to include hardware for every mounting situation...!!! Thanks...!!!😎👍👍

[@khanj42]

ACSS Vulcan is a game changing reticle. I'm not selling my RMRs anytime soon, but I prefer ACSS Vulcan every time. Holosun 507 Competition is an interesting new entry. Any chance for a review? It's out of stock everywhere.

[@TacticalRifleman]

I have no experience with the 507 competition and don’t care to. There is no reason for them not to use an enclosed emitter. I agree with you about the Vulcan reticle. I wish they would settle the Patent wars and get on with sharing the Vulcan in everything

[@khanj42]

@@TacticalRifleman fair enough. In the competition shooting space, Holosun appears to have bearded the Lion (Trijicon SRO) in their own den again. Can't wait to try one out.

[@mountainlivin]

Excellent comprehensive review of the top options. Thanks Karl!

[@TacticalRifleman]

Glad it was helpful!

[@gec-o2167]

I've gone through 2 RMRs and both failed- one for the dot not holding zero and the other for a dim dot. Plus, taking off the optic to swap batteries was a HUGE PITA. I try to buy American when I can-- but I will always go with the better product regardless where it's made. Also, "Made in USA" doesn't mean the parts are all US- where does Trijicon get its glass and internal components from? I use a ChiCom made phone and a whole bunch of other stuff made overseas- I'm over it. In this case, I went to a Holosun 508T and never looked back. Tough as nails (watch Sage's review) and it hasn't shit the bed on me yet. It simply is the better optic (ie. better reticle, shake awake, solar back-up and NOT HAVING TO TAKE OFF THE OPTIC TO SWAP THE BATTERY) at a much more affordable price point. Trijicon needs to keep up and not rest on its SOCOM approved laurels cuz the competition is eating their lunch. As for closed emitters- they fail too. My buddy had a Steiner with a screw that had come loose rattling inside the optic and an ACRO fog up inside coming in from the rain on his duty guns. None of these things are fool proof.

[@TacticalRifleman]

Agreed

[@ryanrichardson9915]

Just found this channel...I love this guy! Straight and concise. Subscribed. "Rack it on the guys eye socket..." I love it.

[@HarryManback0]

I have 2 Holosun optics I bought a few years ago when the prices were still somewhat reasonable. I paid $220 including tax and shipping for a 507K, which I would probably pay again. I just saw that Holosun is trying to charge $370 for the 507 Comp, and over $400 for the EPS Carry. At those prices, I'll absolutely go with Trijicon or Aimpoint from now on. I can't believe they're trying to sell Chinese made optics for those prices.

[@mooktemas6800]

I have two 507C and one 509T and I paid $310 and $429 for them because I prefer the optic to all the other options for personal reasons. Money wasn’t the issue. I believe holosun makes very good optics .

[@SMS2884]

Because when a company knows they are good then they can start charging reasonable prices for their products. Holosun is just as good as trijicon. Window size is better and nothing beats an acss Vulcan reticle. Just because it's Chinese is a ridiculous and childish reason. By that logic you don't own a smartphone or half the stuff normal people have.

[@PnP-td1mt]

When was the 507 ever 220$? The 407 sure

[@HarryManback0]

@@PnP-td1mt 2 and a half years ago when I bought the 507K. Early 2021.

[@Brimwald]

​@@SMS2884you dont use a tv or ikea table or smart phone when someone is trying to kill you. Relying on Chinese made goods in life or death situations is a reasonable concern. There do tend to be more QC issues and longevity issues with Chinese made optics

[@zachgregory1289]

Acro p2 on my 19x. 6 months of searching and checking sites daily to find one! Found one p2 taupe which matches the 19x 50 shades of fde.

[@Lecours517]

Great review! Holosun has stepped up its game! Just picked up a second 509 and am looking at an EPS! Thanks for all you guys do!!

[@TacticalRifleman]

Our pleasure!

[@larryperdue508]

Best video I've seen on red dot pistol optics on U-TUBE hands down 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@Freeman_Actual]

Great review brother. The only thing you didn't mention is the benefits of cost differences and "Brand recognition markup." The Defender-CCW™ Red Dot while new to the race is also the lowest cost optic in your lineup by nearly 50% less from the most expensive. This is unfortunately a deciding factor for many many shooters now that we are in a Bidenomics hyper-inflation situation and people are having to choose between food and gas. It was a no brainer for me on my new Canik Mete to go with the Defender-CCW™ Red Dot at a mere $229 off of amazon. That and I wanted at least 3 MOA so I could flip it to a carbine for a 45deg canted backup if that situation/need should ever arise. But back to my point...the cost factor begs the question. Is the Trijicon RMRcc reeeeally $300 more valuable? I mean really? If so...why? I personally don't think so. I think Brand recognition markup is in effect.

[@CrimeVid]

Of course it is worth the $300 if your use is serious, not if you are playing around on the range, but if I were a soldier or a Swat team member I would want the best I could get. If you are really asking did it cost that much more to manufacture, of course not, but that is not your business. You make your choice on proposed use and how important that is to you and others (family perhaps ?).

[@joedilallo6841]

Great information and appreciate how thorough you were with pros and cons.

[@JustDefense]

Might want to review Romeo2 against the winner. The shroud isn’t plastic it’s metal. I also have the Vulcan ACSS, it's great! But I think I actually like their donut of death reticles better. Thanks for posting!

[@MRWest85]

Yeah he was guessing on the Romeo 2 without doing actual research

[@CJEDI7TV]

Loved every aspect of the video Sergeant Major! VERY INFORMATIVE!

[@RR-gp8bu]

It's time for Trijicon to come to market with a closed emitter. If they can make one that's duty grade and isn't a unicorn that would be great.

[@refuztosay9454]

They have one RCR.

[@RR-gp8bu]

​@@refuztosay9454It's like I spoke it into existence. Had no clue it was coming.... Now I have to buy one lucky for me I still have one pistol to finish..😅

[@Soulsaber_7]

Karl, Its great to see some new content, thank you brother!

[@TacticalRifleman]

My pleasure!

[@resolute123]

My understanding is Holosun is an American company, but outsources the specs to be manufactured in China. Was told they were poised to actually bring manufacturering back to US till Mr. Potato Head in the White House undid what President Trump done for the American people.

[@ronm6359]

Let’s be honest. Joetato has almost zero functioning mental capacity. IMHO, The real president behind the scenes is Obama.

[@honda116969]

Good Lord I can't wait to get that damn traitor out of the White House! Joe Briben has been a 💯 % disaster for this country... Potato head is paid off by China and all those other foreign countries that were at war with. All the companies that pay Joe Biden a bunch of bribe money is where all the conflicts are happening

[@IrishBlueBear]

Leupold is made in america, get a dpp

[@chadd587]

Until they bring manufacturing here, it's a no go. RMR HD or Eotech. Can't believe Holosun charges 400 for a damn China mock up

[@Gruin]

Define Specifically What Law or Bill trump Signed? All I Remember Was All Talk No Action, Promised Every 2 Months For 4 Years a Better Medical Bill For the People? He Did NOTHING for Americs. Reply The Facts As You Claim......

[@jeffreybrooks8643]

Great video, thanks! Excellent overview comparison of quality compact red dot optics. Especially appreciate the discussion of the enclosed versus exposed emitter's potential issues.

[@TacticalRifleman]

Glad it was helpful!

[@chltmdwp]

I have never understood people complaining with taking the RMR off the slide when swapping batteries. I use a torque driver to screw it back on. Zero retained.

[@EricShertz-mz2xt]

Mack, all my comments are directed to you. You're absolutely awesome!! Thanks for your direction. You've really helped me!! Thanks!! Keep it going, please!!

[@TacticalRifleman]

Who is “Mack”?

[@Blain5700]

We don't really have a choice if our phone or laptop is made in china. We do have a choice on optics.

[@jb7483]

Yep they can take the Chinesium and shove it. I will never trust my life to Han or Lee in a 3rd World nation building something they can never own.

[@Ironsight_Army]

All optics parts are made overseas. The "US" optics are just assembled in the US

[@biggus8825]

I would find great irony however in using their technology to fight against them if it came to that.

[@Blain5700]

@@Ironsight_Army You do the best you can, given our current situation.

[@sithcdw]

Well if it saves me $300…..

[@1jw007]

Absolutely the most informative 'showing' that's been given by anyone or any channel on KZbin that I've seen. My hat's off to you for the awesome job you do consistently. The only thing that was missing for me personally, is it would have been really great if you would have given the MSRP's of each to save the time of looking up every one. Maybe you had your reasons for not, but otherwise, KUDO's to you man. Thanks, JW - Blue Ridge Mountains of Virginia

[@TacticalRifleman]

Glad it was helpful!

[@boogaboogaboogaable]

My Samsung S23 was assembled in Vietnam (communist country) but owned by a South Korean company. Both Vietnam and South Korea are definitely not Chinese allies. New Samsungs will assembled in India, a democracy. I buy a lot Samsung, LG, ASUS, Toshiba, or Sony products to move my money away from China to US allies. No Motorola, no Lenovo. If you buy an LG flat panel in the US there is a decent chance it is made in Alabama of all places. Something to think about.

[@mattphillips833]

Lookout there’s a communism behind you! Oogaboogabooga

[@1014p]

India is a massive cast system. One which is moving up has been said by low class to be near impossible.

[@bensollman8882]

Big cope

[@-LiveFreeorDie]

Democracy is also cringe.

[@willnotcomply1328]

I was leaning heavily towards the Holosun 509 until you introduced the Vortex Defender, I wholeheartedly agree an enclosed emitter is the way to go, but including training on the clearing of debris from an open emitter isn’t off the table. Unfortunately the guys I help out are set in their ways, but maybe I can sway them into adding a red dot. I went to a carbine/pistol class and the instructor mentioned a 45yd head shot with a pistol, I said not without a red dot and answered my own question as to whether or not to have irons or red dot… the benefit of the Vortex is it lists the M18/M17 as compatible, so that is a positive! The Glocks, in particular the 19x would have to be cut to MOS. And like you said the Vortex comes with a plethora of different mounting screws.

[@Eric-hx2or]

The best optics are made in America and not funding the Chinese military and spy agencies. Just FYI

[@Justin.Brown723]

And what optic is made in America?

[@pandorasflame7742]

My RMRs were made in America and my Eotech EXPS-3 is also proudly American. It helps when you buy the real deal and not Chinese fakes off Amazon.

[@Justin.Brown723]

@@pandorasflame7742 have fun with those

[@genericsocks7542]

Sure I’d agree with that, however, Holosun is proven brand (lots of the other non American brands are complete cheap garbage) that tonssss of people trust their life with and for good reason too. The other thing I want to mention is this, every single person who says this has hundreds of things in their home and on their person that’s made in China or other cheap labor countries. So you are lying to yourself if you think you are not supporting certain Chinese companies, whether or not you think they are funding spy balloons.

[@JS202]

What American made phone or pc are you using to send your message? 😂

[@LLB984]

I just subscribe. And I love your commercials they're sthey are short and not bad to look at

[@patriotsheepdog]

If he starts pushing O’light, I’m out.😂

[@robman247]

O My O light is awesome 😂

[@randaddy9218]

Why?

[@HarryManback0]

Yes, Olights are complete garbage. Totally unreliable. You can get Streamlights for the same price usually, which are the best budget options for weapon lights.

[@leifleblanc160]

I've had great luck with my olight for the last 2 years

[@tcr2237]

I’m with the stream light guy but I do have a couple O’s that I throw in travel bags and stuff. Not my go to, but the handhelds work.

[@Deuce_Dufresne]

Went Acro P2 on my FN 510, which I open carry while hunting. Had a DPP on it before, great optic, but collected dew and crap in it where I hunt.

[@ElevatedAgenda]

509 ACSS > everything else

[@TacticalRifleman]

That’s what I currently run on my work guns

[@jamiecarter9357]

Amazing review. Awesome information and presentation. New subscriber. Wicked glad I couldn't sleep tonight!

[@TacticalRifleman]

Welcome aboard!

[@johndeere1951a]

Excellent Presentation 👍 Very informative, good basic explanation for someone new to optics. Thank you. 72, male, New Hampshire ✌️🇺🇲

[@TacticalRifleman]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@danjewell2612]

Well, this was all interesting, but I own a Canik pistols And you didn’t cover the MeCanik red dot I was waiting for that, but thank you. It was all good.

[@neverendingmods]

Finally, someone with real world long term experience with many different RDOs who isn't being given free ones, hand picked ones, or evaluated the review before being allowed to post the video review. Thanks for such an honest and very informative review on some of the top pistol RDS out currently. You had me dying with thee comment "rack the slide if need be on the guy's eye socket".😆😆👍 I'm certain that has been done many a times. Spoken like a true skull basher. 💀 Thanks for your service. You got another subscriber here. Love the no nonsense reviews with real world testing. Keep it up.

[@mmgross144]

I have the Vortex Defender on my Glock 43xMOS and while I like the dot and it’s ability to co-witness with the factory sights I am not thrilled with the 14 hour awake time. I carry every day, all of the time, so essentially it doesn’t shut off and I have to change the battery every 6 weeks. I’m seriously considering getting the Holosun 509.

[@joshuamueller18]

Just picked up the S&W M&P Competitor and this video really helped with researching my first red dot. I always learn something new and useful! watching your videos. Thank you and keep them coming.

[@TacticalRifleman]

Glad I could help!

[@JimMiller-zl4ho]

I just picked up the same gun, what did you end up getting for the optic ?

[@joshuamueller18]

@@JimMiller-zl4ho I ended up finding a damn near new SRO on a used 2.0 at my local shop so I pick up that gun at a shamefully low price and put the SRO on the competitor. I love it so i never looked into any of the others, but make sure you have suppressor height Irons for it, I forgot that at first.

[@Steelcity77]

Great video, you've helped me make up my mind on the Vortex for my Canik MC9. Thank you!

[@TacticalRifleman]

Glad I could help!

[@xxxlonewolf49]

I'm looking at the Holosun SCS, but it's an open emitter...also, need a pistol slide that can mount an optic still, hehe. I like the Circle+Dot and the not needing a battery, BUT I'm still waiting to see about how robust it is and how well/long the charge lasts and how fast it can charge off of little light.

[@reekgoesoutside]

I've had an scs on my glock 29 for awhile now. It takes a beating and the green dot is always on. Weird at first i was over thinking the need to put it in the sun or it was going to die. That's not necessary i don't even think about it anymore and it's still has not died.

[@fasttimmy133]

Good information. On these. Why did you Leave out the American made Leopoldo Deltapoint pro?

[@TacticalRifleman]

Honestly, I love Leupold, and i was expecting something awesome from them, but the delta point is just another open emitter red dot, circa 2003

[@lexidecimal9941]

I dunno why but Im glad Christopher Walken started this channel. Subbed. You see, gun fun keeps you young.