Tadej Pogačar's Training Secrets Revealed?! | GCN Show Ep. 612

[@gcn]

Are you surprised by the power numbers Pogačar quoted on Peter Attia’s podcast, or by anything else he said in that interview? 👀⚡

[@cyclingseth4580]

It’s amazing but not surprising after this years Tour de France

[@Mike-rm1lb]

If I was an expert I would have a much better opinion but here it goes : Is there an elephant in the room? Is Pogacar an elephant? 🥸. Muriel Furrer lying alone helpless in the forest for an hour is another pachyderm. I don't think we'll get answers anytime soon.

[@gcn]

@@Mike-rm1lb He is a bit more like a 🐐

[@bjornlangoren3002]

He took the Vuelta off, which gave him the time to do altitude training instead, either by staying at elevation, or use of altitude tent. Altitude training takes several weeks, and increases concentration of hemoglobin. And typically the effect lasts a couple of weeks. Altitude training is legal according to WADA, and I would be surprised if most pros don't avail themselves.

[@fabianirsara9846]

Only thing I was surprised to hear is that he shat his shorts post race earlier with other gels 🥴

[@Toastybear1]

It’s time to stand up to the UCI properly GCN, your platform matters. Muriel lay dying on the side of the road for an hour and a half before she was found with a serious head injury, found by pure chance. She was passed by every race official, every medic, every support car, and the broom wagon. She had a race transponder, and a head unit with her, and still no one realised. It took 2.5 hours to get her to a hospital that was THREE minutes away. THREE. Deaths in cycling are always tragic, but something of an inevitability. This one was not. This one puts blood directly on the hands of the UCI, and makes me sick.

[@cadellhe]

And the fact that you could watch her crash live on the TV but nobody said anything 5 minutes later the commentary said there may have been crash but that was it.

[@Viewfromabove1]

I would argue it's not just down to the UCI. It's down to all the stakeholders to determine what safety really looks like in cycling as a sport. It's such an easy word to speak of yet it's such a different thing to get right and manage effectively. The UCI cannot directly manage safety - they can only set the requirements to create a safe sport. Such a tragic outcome and this should shock the sport just like other industry failures. Yes, its a sport with high risk and thus the medical response to any accident should be sh*t hot. The fact that Muriel lay undetected for so long was catastrophic.

[@patrickwong4824]

Selfie Lappartient is too busy campaigning for the IOC presidency to give a damn. There have been nine racing deaths during his eight-year reign as UCI president. Has any other sport had that many athletes die during that period? The man got to go.

[@ehuremovic526]

Could you please let me know where you read about this? I feel like I'm out of the loop.

[@FTA38yearfreeride]

It wil always be a dangerous sport, only the riders have the key.

[@patrickwong4824]

Let's try this again, I hate typing long comments and having them disappear. Stop with Pogi Love Fest as your lead-in and cover the death of Muriel Furrer first. The way she died is a travesty. Treating her as a DNF instead of a DOA is a joke. Would finding her right away save her? Lots of organizations should be held accountable. Let's start with the UIC and Selfie Lappartient.

[@FTA38yearfreeride]

@@patrickwong4824 is dangerous sport, accidents happen, most riders know the risk.

[@wertacus]

The biggest thing from the Peter Attia interview is how hard it is for Pog to find hills that take longer than 20 minutes to summit.

[@oxey_]

that and regularly getting >1700 VAM

[@simonrichardson5259]

Haha, that’s so true!

[@FTA38yearfreeride]

@@wertacus he still has to ride 3 minutes faster up Alpe d´Huez to beat Marco Pantani´s time 😉

[@FabioFerraro76]

Pogi still does not have access to a power meter that works

[@aha200971]

Funny because it is true 🙂

[@fiddleronthebike]

yes - but obviously he doesn’t need one 😎

[@justliberty4072]

That's 'cause they all break

[@fiddleronthebike]

@@justliberty4072 no, that's cause they have to use Shimano's power meter which is the worst on the market - in fact the only one which gives hugely unreliable data at all...

[@joerenner8334]

And proves you don't need one. Remco also proved it at the TT.

[@WaechterDerNacht]

In regards to Muriel Furrers death: the thing that nearly made me cry seeing the images and reading about it in the news was that on the memorial ride, which took place instead of the open race, ~1500 people turned up at 7 in the morning... I was in bed due to illness, but otherwise might have joined aswell.

[@jamegumm]

It’s 340 metric watts though

[@tonyg3091]

😂😂😂

[@ramonvanderben8120]

#CaptionCompetition Pogacar showed the whole peloton the literal meaning of "Catch 22".

[@doctorscoot]

Come on GCN, pls at least mention the circumstances of Muriel Furrier’s accident and maybe at least question what the UCI is doing to keep riders safe. Thanks!

[@peterthomas8053]

Ref 'the triple crown'. I'm with Adam Blythe on this. For me, the 'Triple Crown' would be Giro, TDF, Vuelta. I would label the Worlds as the 'Double', together with the Olympic tile. But, everyone has their own take on these titles, and rightly so. p.s. Dont agree with Adam on white bibs for World Champion, black bibs for me.

[@philipcooper8297]

Is it motor doping when there's a support car right behind me going faster and faster, pushing me to my new limits?

[@gcn]

I think that way, you shouldn't have any problems.

[@SuperDodoe]

Horse Sgf1000..c'mon it's obvious

[@kipcc3918]

Skeptics on the comment section, Here’s a tip, Fund an “ Independent “ Drug test to really test y’alls assumptions. I’m curious for that result as well. 🤷‍♂️

[@thicccboyztv]

@@kipcc3918 I don't think you understand how drug tests work. They are entirely reactionary. As the saying goes, drugs won the war on drugs. You can't test for drugs that you aren't aware about. And you also can't accurately test drugs with short half-life's.

[@robertombetta]

Cyclists have and will always be a step ahead of WADA and the UCI let alone an independent system.

[@zon3ful]

@@robertombetta So they are guilty until proven otherwise?

[@patrickwong4824]

@@zon3ful It is the opposite, innocent till proven guilty. Most fans are happier this way.

[@patrickwong4824]

@@robertombetta That is why samples are supposedly kept forever. How they use the sample in the future is a whole other question.

[@matthewkalb7269]

"It's the first time the dutch women have missed the podium in 10 years despite having the most ego's in their team"

[@JasonTrew2018]

#Caption: Tadej is riding so fast that he might be able to qualify for the Indy 500 in 2025

[@fernandovega5722]

Front row, even. Maybe get pole position. 😅

[@Morhaw]

Love when Si and Dan reminisce about their MTB days. Perhaps a GMBN crossover with those two is in order. Can you teach old MTB dogs new tricks?

[@smvrichards]

Your comments about Zwift generating new professional cyclists reminded me about how I first came across Jay Vine. Years ago after swearing at my computer issues while zwifting, wifey tagged me in a post about a cyclist who lost power while competing on zwift titled “the pain is real”. It was none other than JV, who was relatively unknown at the time. I now point him out to wifee every time the cameras focus on him in a major race on tv - “See? He started on zwift and now he’s a pro. This is why I need a better router.”

[@GabyLoupiac]

Pogačar to himself after "stupid" attack. Just keep riding. Just keep riding.

[@joehopfield]

Don't forget Tadej's scandalous backflip into the pool last year during the tour!

[@TheFinav]

Pretty naïve of Pogi to be giving away his numbers like that. Now EVERYONE's going to be doing 340w in 5-hour blocks, whilst remaining in zone 2.

[@tonyg3091]

Absolutely! I am starting tomorrow. 🤣

[@RussellFleming-q2d]

#Captioncompetition: Pogacar needed no head start to win the World Championship this year!

[@richiejames928]

Nothing pogi said in the Peter attia podcast isn’t already available somewhere online. he didn’t give anything away that would benefit his opponents. They already train to beat him and can’t. understanding his numbers will make no difference… it’s clear by now that Pogi races by FEEL..and not by numbers.. this is where his opponents are getting it wrong.. tadejs attack on Sunday left the rest of the field scratching their heads because they are so tied to the power meter they can’t win races from 100k out.

[@timliscum2861]

considering my best 20 minute power was 308...... ya its pretty crazy

[@dennisintveld]

#CaptionCompetition Pogacar bullying the pursuers with their maximum possible result.

[@hornet224]

T.P. does not need a power meter. His legs are "electrified". At the end of the race he's not even tired.

[@tonyg3091]

Which race would that be? Did you watch the Worlds?

[@mikerichardson5176]

You get the feeling that Pog is in the zone from a life, family and 'work' perspective. IMHO this probably means more than any training protocol or equipment gains. A relaxed and focused metal state is one of the benefits. It would be great to get Mr Merckx' view on this, as some of his legacy videos seem to show a fully supportive and relaxed family life, obviously as well as training more than any other pro at the time. 👍

[@JackMott]

Bro there are thousands of relaxed riderd, ain't none of them doing 340 watts in zone 2. If anything the fact that he has enough power to drop entire teams is probably causing the relaxed attitude, not the other way around.,

[@FTA38yearfreeride]

80 % of his ftp you can call it zone 2 , but it is zone 3 even almost zone 4 !! 5,4w/kg is even for king Pogi no walk in the park😅 I am sure he can do it but i would not call it zone 2.

[@josephsong8911]

He definitely could be giving false information, but I’ve seen research that shows professional endurance athletes have much higher and broader zone 2s because it’s really about where your burning the most amount of fat before your body starts burning mainly carbs for energy. I highly doubt he hasn’t had a fat max test in a world class facility, so if true, his body could just be so adapted that he doesn’t really have a zone 3.

[@dskordo]

Did anyone else (for just a moment) think the opening "welcome to GCN" was Tadej, until they heard the voice? Perhaps my eyes are going?

[@verryd]

#captioncompetition Zwift release new ‘Ride with Pogačar’ route based on what 100% of the peloton see when they race him.

[@thatguy9051]

Assuming he's clean, and I think he is until proven otherwise, everyone knows it's down to genetics.......can we please find the gene that creates such a monster?

[@0ShadowG0]

I would assume it's actuality not the genetics of the cell but of the mitochondria

[@evelineperko6685]

Have you ever heard of the Slovenian Martin Strel? He swam 5 the longest rivers on the planet! Danbe - 1.867 miles/ 58 days, Mississippi - 2.360 miles/68 days, Parana - 2.484 miles/ 24 days, Yangtze - 2.487 miles/ 40 days and Amazon - 3.273 miles/ 66 days! He is 62 years old!

[@tonyg3091]

Genes are always the same, they are expressed differently but lets not go there, deep waters...

[@AdrianGilbert-i7j]

'clean until proven otherwise' now there's a discussion.

[@fernandovega5722]

​@@AdrianGilbert-i7jinnocent until proven guilty.

[@tommccafferty5591]

Caption competition. "There's a lot to be said about Pogacar, butt..."

[@LegSpinna]

29:28 The World Champion is riding around with 'niceHash' written across his arse. Errrrr?!

[@peterloosli761]

#captioncompetition : Strava Title : Recovery Ride - Me during the whole ride:

[@RandomStuff-yt2wz]

#captioncompetition: Pogi lost his head at the words and attacked early.

[@MarrafaCycling]

I would love to know the Pogacar's VO2max? But I'm sure is not the same as Dan's in his peak 😂😅

[@hoMEOWnerr]

its slightly below 90

[@tonyg3091]

In the words of Pog himself: I think it is high 🤣

[@AdrianGilbert-i7j]

I would love to know the truth

[@neilablard2768]

Hack or Bodge at 27:22. Si says "Who am i to judge?" Is it not literally your job in this segment to judge??😂

[@simonrichardson5259]

Haha, you know I literally thought that the moment I said it 😂

[@howlinhauler]

pogi did back to back ITT's for the rainbow and remco, just let him ride off. think about this, rainbows make you better

[@franks9753]

You guys are to negative on vdp. He is great and he was absolutely a big shot for the win. Gcn are Pogi fans i guess

[@simonrichardson5259]

Well I wouldn’t say that. I’m such a big MVDP fan boy he had to take out a restraining order.

[@michaelhains2291]

Did the truck run him off the Nullabour Plain or did the huge amount of disturbed air around a Road Train send him off - there is a big difference.

[@ItachiGT]

Pogacar's FTP is 7W/kg He does not need a team to pull him, when he is in the zone. He can easily maintain 42 km/h on a hilly course for hours as seen on Sunday.

[@leighharwood9415]

#captioncompetition After losing his head and taking off solo with 100k to go, Pogi proves he's 2 2 good for the competition

[@noptimized]

#CaptionCompetition: Recalling the moral of that old fable: _the tortoise is surprisingly aero_

[@cruachan1191]

It was quite entertaining listening to the commentators pretty much all say that Pogi went too early even for him at 100km out, then all have to walk it back. As for the Dutch team in the women's race, I suspect they're all fed up of Demi Vollering shouting at them to take a turn on the front (and not just the Dutch team, everyone was in her sights both here and on the last stage of the TDFF).

[@guitsynthcw]

I was riding gravel over 50 years ago on a Schwinn Stingray.

[@urouroniwa]

Some people have surmised that Pogacar's good form this year has come from more intensity of training. However, I can't help wonder if Inigo San Milan is right on the money when he says that building the mitochondrial engine is what's important. I reckon 340 watts zone 2 *by itself* is going to win some races simply because it vastly reduces the amount of time you spend out of zone 2. If you also consider that it will be constantly sparing carbohydrates, coupled with taking in 120 grams of carbs per hour, there is going to be a *lot* left in the tank when the hard efforts start. The main question for me, though, is this monstrous Z2 power *all* genetic or are there some lessons to be learned from the training techniques. Long Z2 rides to heart rate for the win? How much intensity do you need to increase the power ceiling? And is it possible that since Pogacar doesn't like turbo training sessions, is the off-on nature of his hilly training actually an unintentional component of his success? It would be interesting to try 20 minutes of high Z2 followed by 5 minutes of basically nothing over and over and over again to see if it had a beneficial effect.

[@janeztomazic5546]

san milan is gone, Sola in, the biggest reason of Pogacar form this season

[@dennisjohnston3180]

OMG, it`s the diet, no it`s the high tech bike, or is it the motor in the bike, O don`t be looking at that, as his Dr passes over some SGF 1000, how many was I supposed to take, O yes double that.

[@stephenperry5972]

Just interested. Are you thinking Dr Iñigo san Milán supports illicit drugs in cycling?

[@BryanAinsley]

where is Manon?

[@davidshardlow4369]

😢

[@tatianafonseca6686]

Caption: Hey Pogi Hulk.. 🫣Peekaboo 🤗

[@johnalves2765]

Please make Canada part of your Insurance!

[@Patrik6606]

I did not quite hear, you were on the sorry hills or surrey hills? 😂

[@allofuswoodhouses4284]

Paint Conner green and you’re more likely to have the Jolly Green Giant than the Hulk.

[@gcn]

[@taylorbrenn7191]

I work in the insurance industry. Even if you don't own a car, you should have a non-owners car insurance policy. It's very cheap, and offers liability coverage and uninsured motorist coverage.

[@roadcyclist1]

Scammer.

[@taylorbrenn7191]

@@roadcyclist1 the uninsured motorist coverage that comes on that policy will protect you if you're hit by a car while riding your bike. But yeah, scammer.

[@dmytryemery]

Another thing Pog has in common with Dan is the ability to knock back a beer, like at Amstel gold last year.

[@HeyPaulhasopinions]

I think you need to talk more about doping… and not motor doping, but the real thing that actually happens

[@nizamali4378]

Yes I agree along with zombies and fairies. Find some measurable evidence first aka drug test, not just suspicion, that went out in the dark ages with the killing of witches.

[@robertombetta]

They will lose their jobs if they do. And I bet when the record button goes off they all talk about it.

[@leighgoodwin1726]

The power numbers aren’t that surprising having seen the long range breaks he’s won with at one-day events this year. Evenepoel probably similar adjusted for weight. Also pleased to learn Pog rums and does weights. Interesting that he doesn’t do indoor cycling “ever” - an advantage of living in Monaco. But also might explain some of his excellent bike handling skills. Finally, I’m reassured knowing that his weight might rise by as much as 3-4kg or 8% between off season and the Tours!

[@robbchastain3036]

Re any comparison of riders from different eras, it would be interesting to hear about the training and racing and lifestyle conditions of the year Eddy got his triple vs. Tadej today. And Stephen Roche, too, the '80s which were edging toward the future while still being very much that blue-collar old school. And I'm not fussing about the King's crowning of Tadej as best, just that the scenes half a century ago for Eddy and four decades ago for Stephen were different mountains to climb to get those triples, so was it the same or easier or harder or not really open to a fair comparison. And then there's the issue of injured competitors, Greg LeMond was not there in '87 and Tadej's top rivals were injured earlier this season. And whatever the outcome, all interesting to consider, even if the King has already handed the crown to Tadej as the greatest bicycle racer the world has ever known.

[@stevenw04]

#captioncompetition "Pogacar ___ and shoulders above the competition"

[@lsantilli]

Tadej left everyone on his backside thinking, "NiceHash". # captioncompetition

[@zdenkaglobocnik5783]

A lot of words.. Ok, Yoga definitly, has an accurate estimate, Pogačar s Achievement in Road cickling. Namaste.

[@lloydryder8954]

Pog said it himself in a roundabout way - his Shimano power meter is inaccurate. If he is climbing in the small ring on his Z2 rides, it’s overreading by ~20W. So still very impressive, but knocks it down from 5W/kg

[@orwellklimt9947]

people used to do gravel, just with bikes that allowed wider tires. ........... the industry went full circle.

[@aim-at-me]

I still ride my 2019 Orbea Orca Aero that I won from GCN after coming up with that paint work on the MyO program.

[@tonyg3091]

One thing is for sure-said interview dealt a major blow to all of us- aspiring Freds who think we do very well on the Sunday group rides with the buddies.🤣😂😅 Petter Attia: What about your VO2 Max? Pog: I think it is high. 🤣😂😅 It is son, it is.

[@PeterSmithCA]

#Captioncompetition : "Oh my guts... I shouldn't have had that burrito" - looks like he's throwing up

[@ltrtg13]

#captioncompetition. After hearing Dan's captions. Tadej Pogačar was happy to hear The creators have a sence of humour. As well as a box of crickets.

[@mileslong9675]

Caption: I just have to keep thinking, “Chuga chuga 2-2…2-2…chuga chuga”

[@rident]

Caption: The bikeman was a Hessian mercenary sent to the shores by German princes to keep Americans under the yoke of England. But unlike his compatriots, who came for money, the bikeman came for love of KOMs. 🎃

[@gregknipe8772]

I could be riding my bike, but your show is first. thanks!!

[@Stephen-nq5kd]

#captioncompetition: Tadej heads up you’re dropping us, Tadej Tadej?? TADEJ!!!!

[@Chiller11]

The Watt Police guys had some pretty funny comments regarding Peter Attia.

[@cutter-pilot8234]

Caption competition "This top bar seems familar...Oh yes a case of 'Tade ja 2' "

[@jrlpking]

Hey Ollie..... I live close to Parlee in Massachusetts. How about a meetup while you are here! I'd love to buy you a coffee or beer.

[@declanfaughey8471]

#Captioncompetition Tagej " I hope GCN don't make the butt of the caption competition".

[@timw4369]

you have disclosed nothing that everyone didnt already know. Give us new information not rehashed bits from other media.

[@daveboyle76]

Definitely can see the improvement in GCN swag from the old footage to today.

[@charles_cody]

Comfort Inn & Suites for the Mother Fucking Win!

[@SethKay-h2h]

#captioncompetition despite Tadej being on his way to the triple crown, he tried desperately not to get “ahead” of himself.

[@chrisridesbicycles]

The interesting half-sentence about heart rate was something along the lines of „how it reacts on a good day and on a bad day“. That‘s worth diving into. I often feel I can tell if an interval session or FTP test will be good or bad from how the hr goes up during the warm up.

[@IlanEyman]

#CaptionCompetition Tadej drops head in regret of his 103km attack, gaining the aero advantage to make it stick.

[@brianorourke4541]

#caption competition: "We should have seen that attack coming, but then again hindsight is 22 22"

[@jarekp1437]

23:15 maybe indeed fan to ride but 100% insurance needed. Only front break Only one gear - rear derailleur not connected to the shifter Sill a hack 🎉

[@reiddryden9805]

There are some Richard Cranium drivers in Straya, it’s not just on the longest straight section of road in the world on the driest inhabited continent on earth

[@brannmacfinnchad9056]

I posted the exact same Zwift hack. And the workout only needs to be a few seconds. Make sure the name starts with a special character so it's at the top of the workout list.

[@jesuspascualcamino]

I actually quite liked "Hmm, shoulders, knees and toes" : )

[@piotrcichy7316]

The person that does your editing of videos is very bad at their job. They never cut out what you ask to cut out.😁

[@joseflemire4284]

Back in the 70's...the adage was Ride...and ride a lot...seems to be about the same today

[@morrimohr439]

#captioncompetition: …pretty much the same view everyone has when riding with Pogi

[@chrischambers4563]

Love Conner, but he would be more of a Jolly Green Giant than a "Hulk"

[@lancewatson2839]

#captioncompetition attempts to save weight are getting ridiculous just to get “a-head”

[@m.neilsmith6317]

#Caption: If you aren't the lead dog, the view never changes.

[@endurancemiles]

What's up with English guys who don't ever visit the dentist!!

[@marick791]

#captioncompetition 'Pogacar is just 2 good, 2 strong, 2 fast and 2 far ahead' 😂😂

[@CraigRogers-su1zz]

Caption comp. Next year ill wear my to to & really take the micky

[@acidgruen]

#CaptionCompetition it’s safe to say that in Zurich the whole peloton got to see what a NiceHash Pogi has

[@fiddleronthebike]

some triathletes average over 300 watts over the course of 180 km, so not so far off as many of those people think who „know for sure“ that he uses juice; of course they weight a few kg more, but those guys swim 3.8 km before and have to run a marathon after that. Nutrition, training, recovery, bikes, even sleep - everything has changed so much in the last years that what the guys did only 10 or 15 years ago looks amateurish in comparison

[@shippy2001]

Agreed that a lot of IM atheletes will do over 300w on the bike, but this will be well in to Z3 for them. My IM race pace is squarely middle of Z3 while 70.3 is upper Z3 and i'm most certainly an amateur. I reckon Tadejs Z3 must be close to 400w? Also - a lot of IM athletes are also probably on "something more than carbs" with two high profile names being caught in the last two years, and more studies coming out showing a lot of amateurs are doping too.

[@lowlifescum]

Wrong channel ..Head over to GTN pal..

[@ChrisCapoccia]

That Gary Fischer conversion looks like it only has a front brake?

[@kalleandersson916]

My benchmark has always been to aim for 50% of the professionals' capacity... And I think I train quite systematically, 7-12 hours per week. Those are absolutely insane numbers.

[@tonyg3091]

160W should be achievable, no?

[@JerseyPaul90]

Caption Comp: Does this seat make my butt look big?

[@gilesy62]

You should paint Conner green!🍀

[@mattkretchmar6374]

#captioncompetition Is this the part where I am supposed to pretend to break my shoe to add some drama to this race?