1ST Time Using Aptera's OpenPilot System

[@DrTeeHenry]

I have comma3 (not 3x) for my 2022 Bolt. Works great! For city driving, intervention is still needed from time to time, particularly for turns at intersections. But for highway driving, it's a dream. I do need to play around more with the experimental mode and with GPS routing. I think I've only scratched the surface of its capabilities.

[@TailosiveEV]

It’s pretty impressive how far they’ve come with these open source solutions.

[@maj429]

I have a question for you good sir. I have a bolt and I'm considering getting a 3x since they're on sale right now, but I've also experienced FSD and know that it can do turns. Is there any fork of open pilot or there that gives turning functionality to the bolt? Seems pretty pricey for just being lane keep assist...

[@DrTeeHenry]

@@maj429 I'm not sure I'm equipped to accurately answer your question. The open source software is constantly evolving and I don't have the latest and greatest. When I have tried unassisted comma3/OpenPilot turns at urban intersections, it definitely makes the turn, but for me it tends to oversteer. I'm not comfortable using it unless my hands are on the wheel and ready to intervene. That being said and as Chris mentioned it the video, it is good at recognizing obstacles, stop signs, and traffic lights as well as unassisted lane-centering during highway driving. All these capabilities are superior to ACC and simple lane assist (my 2018 Outback with Eye Sight beeps when approaching the center/shoulder line and nudges the steering according, but comma3/OpenPilot is much more than this).

[@fchsbottombass10]

@@maj429would love to know this too!

[@williamgrunzweig571]

So, it's nowhere close to FSD...gotcha.

[@DemaGeek]

Thanks for this OpenPilot overview Chris and Drew. Every time I see an OpenPilot demonstration, I like what I see. Can't wait for the Aptera/OpenPilot combination!!

[@3ractnodi]

I haven’t seen anything about open pilot since 2019. I love the thought of being able to nudge the steering wheel without it disengaging.

[@johntrotter8678]

Amazing system. Glad I added it to my Aptera. Now, we just need real production.

[@dvader3263]

It'll be ready to purchase, at least before 2030.

[@psweber]

This is great. Unfortunately comments about FSD are out of date. 12.5.6.3 has solved most of what was mentioned. It's awesome. That being said I have ordered Comma 3 with my Aptera. I hope they add rear camera options , useing the mirror cameras as mine has solar hatch and no rear window.

[@BrianLambert]

If you're ever in the Florida panhandle and want to take Comma 3 for a spin yourself, hit me up! I have this installed on my 21 Kia Niro EV, and it really does about 95% of my driving for me!

[@kevinscott8642]

Cool - looking forward to driving my Aptera with Openpilot! 😎

[@williamgrunzweig571]

Ummm...it's a basic lane keep assist. It's not ground breaking btw.

[@CrumResearch]

​​Actually, OP has been groundbreaking, for about 7 years -- Far superior to most Lane Keeping Assist Systems. Does a much better job at smooth steering, and can be activated at any time. Reduces fatigue nicely on long drives. Quality of steering can be understood once experienced directly, and the open source and driver monitoring implementation makes it quite useful, moreso than naggy systems.

[@williamgrunzweig571]

@ wow 7 years. Reading a few comments down…groundbreaking is not how I would describe it. I’ll keep an open mind and watch the progress still.

[@iKingRPG]

Fun fact Comma 2 and earlier was literally just a phone in a 3d printed case and a custom OS

[@CrumResearch]

Yes! Our Comma 2 device is still running well.

[@mshonle]

From a machine learning perspective, that OpenPilot was trained on a diversity of cars and steering mechanisms means there is a good chance it would generalize better (avoiding what is called “overfitting”). For robotics, it’s been found that training in a simulation where the physical “constants” are routinely randomized that the end system is much better able to adapt to the specific real world physical constants (than if the simulation only tried to match estimates of the real world). It may seem counterintuitive, but the gist is that “systems that learn to adapt, can adapt better.” Better generalization means the system is more robust and reliable. It hadn’t crossed my mind before, but if Tesla was only ever training FSD on the select few Tesla models there are, they may have been counterproductively tying their hands. (Note: this is just speculation here, I don’t know what Tesla actually did.)

[@chickenp7038]

nope. that’s not how it works if training and inference distribution is the the same it works well. if tesla trains on only teslas it will work great on only teslas. if you train on all vehicles in the world it will work well on all vehicles

[@pan6593]

@@chickenp7038? That‘s exactly what he said.

[@chickenp7038]

@ no he said that it will improve driving ability which is wrong. it will improve driving ability for not seen cars

[@awo1fman]

​@@chickenp7038Learn to read. It's EXACTLY what he said.

[@anthonyramos8869]

How did you got comma to work with the Tesla model s

[@emilioparrilla465]

great exclusive content

[@craigmerrow225]

6:41 Drew mentioned getting by with less; I prefer to think about doing more with less! 😊

[@telih]

+1 for comma, been following openpilot for years. Wouldn't buy a car that doesn't support it. It's way better than most oem systems because of less nagging. Also no worry about the internal camera privacy issues, like tesla techs watching your cameras. Driver monitoring is on the device itself, no cloud server.

[@ernest795]

They need to do sentry mode. I don’t care about the power loss.

[@inc0de]

If you have it plugged into your OBD-II port along with your ADAS it can run for up to 6 hours before it loses power.

[@ernest795]

@@inc0de Sentry mode surrounds the car with surveillance. Worthless if only a small area is covered.

[@charangohabsburg1]

How I wish I would get my Aptera with this device already integrated, but I'm "afraid" that I'm not close enough to the end of the waiting line! 😂 Nice demo, thank you!

[@Aegisx5]

Comma AI is awesome. I used it in my Kia Telluride and Stinger. Game changer for non-Tesla vehicles.

[@Gabri3lRocha]

how comes everything aptera and open pilot does just makes sense

[@artboymoy]

Neat! Cool tolearn abot this system. Thanks Drew.

[@DankRageRants]

proud 3x owner, and tesla owner here. Have owned the comma 2 as well. I love both!

[@jigglynoahpuff]

In my opinion my 2019 RAV4 with a Comma3 is like 99% as good as my Model X with FSD

[@Drucio1]

comma ai on a tesla is crazy lol

[@geoffreyjohnston4047]

"super slow in the left lane". left lane only considered the "fast/passing" lane on highways. on roads where there are left turns and lights this is NOT the case. that's driving 101 stuff...

[@jlaufangyt]

"when i take it home today." and Jason just let that slide... but you don't quit trying,

[@CrumResearch]

I adapted Openpilot to the Jeep Grand Cherokee back in 2018! Great to see this video, thanks, keep up the Aptera coverage, especially with Openpilot content. Ship Aptera with OP, or at least all ready for the owners to add the Comma 3X and install Openpilot, like mentioned in this video.

[@timojissink4715]

I'm still a bit more of a fanboy of the Tesla FSD future, but I do love this approach! This seems like a system I would buy, if I had a car and a lot of commuting.

[@robinpettit7827]

I have open-pilot ordered for my Aptera.

[@VedaSay]

Noooo....you are such a monster! This is awesome!

[@VedaSay]

while the two AI fight if used together!

[@VedaSay]

Aptera must have the rear view mirror removable and the OpenPilot snap in place there with the screen now working as rear view mirror. Just snap fit!

[@VedaSay]

Comma could help here by say extend some capabilities by added sensors from the car like say two blind spot cameras.

[@Leonardokite]

Next spring when the weather gets nice I'm going to put one on my lexus.

[@Will-nw4jb]

I have the comma 3x and really hope that Aptera plasters everywhere that this is a level 2 autonomous driving system. It still requires you to be paying attention. The pedestrian detection is no where near as good as the highway features. It would be absolutely terrible PR for aptera if someone hurts/kills someone else because they wanted to drive distracted thinking autopilot would do all the work for them

[@PolineChan]

This device can be used to enhance autopilot features, but it's going to need more compute power to understand road signs, foreign objects, and navigating complex roads. It is good, but it's still years behind Tesla's FSD.

[@jimpike7445]

The Comma website doesn't list any Tesla as compatible. Is this a special interface for Teslas? If so I'd love to fit it to my older Model S. Please advise the source if available?

[@stanleycius3295]

Yeah that’s a lot of talking, it’s cool but to compare it to FSD is wild

[@ItsSeals]

Would have loved to see open pilot being used on Aptera. That’s all folks!

[@garywozniak7742]

@@ItsSeals kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZ2bd6ikl9CBm7ssi=krUSHMU7f5pDTc0Q

[@wt9653]

Starting A lot of hype! 😂

[@geoffreyjohnston4047]

theres a concern that the slowing down is based on seeing other cars break lights. currently there are no regulations saying slowing down due to regenerative breaking requires a break. and there are already examples of cars on the market that can come to a full stop using that type of breaking and their break light never comes on. (this is american regulation that is). EU used to have the same regulation issue but fixed it recently. edit: and then you also have to consider peoples break lights could be out / not working properly...

[@inc0de]

It doesn’t require brake lights to slow/stop, it can identify vehicles and keeps a distance going down a highway without needing brake lights lit up. If Chris said that he misspoke, he surely knows that’s not the case.

[@geoffreyjohnston4047]

@inc0de I know it doesn't need it but even depending on it for some of the quality seems iffy

[@QH96]

They should connect it to the rear view camera

[@aussieideasman8498]

They will have to because that 180 degrees backwards will only see the underside of the rear hatch solar. Motormouth doesn't think and Mac lies.

[@JonVB-t8l]

I'm a big fan of comma ai, but you definitely are over-estimating it's capabilities. It can take exits and make lane changes, and even make turns, but it can't see blind spots so if it's going to change lanes, you need to be checking and ready to take over, because it can and will change lanes when there is something in your blind spot. It only has a few seconds of context so it forgets when it sees things get into blind spots very quickly. I can't wait for it's integration into Aptera, and it is good for highways, but it's about on par with basic auto-pilot in my experience.

[@AverageJoe928]

Comma will use the vehicle's blind spot sensors if that information is available over the can network. I'd hope that Aptera's integration will allow use of the sensors (and perhaps the side/rear cameras).

[@1voluntaryist]

I'm hoping for V2G and induction charging. No need to exit in bad weather or scary situations No need to buy a PowerWall.

[@darwinskeeper421]

Interesting, but not something I'd use if I bought an Aptera. Self driving cars just never felt right. I just feel that one of the main pleasures of a good car is driving it.

[@JustWasted3HoursHere]

Interesting that they make a version for Teslas in the first place. Kind of the ultimate embarrassment for Autopilot if you think about it.

[@skeptibleiyam1093]

Very cool, but as long as I am sitting in the driver's seat, keeping an eye on traffic, and making sure that the AI isn't making any mistakes, I think I'll just drive the car.

[@Harrythehun]

How is it to get in and out of the aptera? Would an old couple appreciate the seating procedure?

[@Bgood2elbow]

Does it record?

[@jeanmenieur]

What is that device? Is that retrofitable to any vehicle?

[@maj429]

Most vehicles, yes. It's called the comma AI.

[@wineberryred]

It's called OpenPilot, Version is Comma 3 by Comma AI. It can be used by most modern vehicles.

[@TailosiveEV]

Most! Check link in the description for Chris' channel he goes over how easy it is to install. Less than 2 minutes in his RAV4

[@jeanmenieur]

​@TailosiveEV oh thank you very much! I have a Rav4 as well😮😄

[@osvargot]

Isn’t the Qualcomm Snapdragon 845 underpowered? It is still a 6-year-old smartphone chip.

[@lethaldarkness115]

That's not an Aptera

[@routine8]

I miss openpilot. Honestly FSD 12 is the most annoying thing ever.

[@njdevilku1340]

So what car are they driving since there are 3 people?

[@chrisoconnell8432]

This was filmed in a Tesla Model S

[@DemaGeek]

That was a Tesla fitted with OpenPilot.

[@kurtsigmund6980]

News Flash - Dateline tomorrow - "The human brain is devolving because humans do not use them anymore to think or act."

[@Meisha-san]

Aptera & Nothing are the concept thinkers of tomorrow.

[@aussieideasman8498]

Aptera and nothing are more alike than you think.

[@robwalker4548]

Glad it is part of my order. Don't trust any claims of FSD or when weather conditions are bad. Do not have it on my Toyota but but it's emergency braking has already prevented both myself and wife from rearing another car so if this can add some more safety braking then I am all in. Only thing missing I wish it had was the view into the left and right rear blind spots but I assume the Aptera camera/side mirror setup solves that.

[@robwalker4548]

Tailosive EV - I have not located coverage yet on what the Aptera Offroad upgrade is which I also have. I got it not because I want to off road but because of the bad roads and some county dirt roads I drive. I assume it is mostly some form of suspension upgrade and maybe improved ground clearance. However, it would be great if you can do something on exactly what that option provides. I already predict the Wheel Shirts on the Aptera with be the first and most common item that get damaged. I know I can remove them but wish they had a form that covered only half of the wheel or down to the lowest suspension item which ever is the lowest point. Potholes deeper than 5 inches, high curbs and road edge drop offs of 5+ inches is where those wheel shirts will be damaged. I did see this but not sure the plans are still the same. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5W9YpuGecSHbbM

[@wt9653]

I see this on Amazon Prime day for $199.00😂

[@jasonberger3227]

The more I see the Aptera, the less I think this is a feasible vehicle that will ever be more than another version of a Slingshot, a weekend toy. If someone were to accidentally side swipe the car, instead of crushing some body panels and maybe bending an axle, but still having a vehicle that could possibly be driven to a body shop for repair, with the Aptera, it will knock a front wheel off completely, making it completely unusable. Aptera will never be a mass appeal electric vehicle. It will at best be a weekend toy, like every other 3 wheeled/ or open wheeled vehicles like the Slingshot, T-Rex, Ariel Atom, etc. The open wheel design is a complete weakness. And the components to make it open wheel don’t look beefy enough to survive even just a driver hitting a curb.

[@CrumResearch]

Yeah, this video does not show Aptera driving on roads, unfortunately. Let's see Aptera shipping and appearing on roads, like here in Utah -- Might be a perfect time for it, since contrived and excessive regulation is on its way out, with the Trump administration and Government Efficiency effort with involvement of Elon Musk.

[@MartinBogomolni]

Why does the Aptera use a Tesla steering wheel?

[@maartenschenk4119]

This is recorded in a tesla model s, not an aptera. I think the device below the back mirror is the aptera device only.

[@dougholmes6631]

So we are five weeks before the end of the year Aptera has promised to start deliveries by the end of this year. Going to make it?

[@YungAnt7]

“Honestly, FSD isn’t comfortable with its doing turns and navigating..” I like your content and consistency - but please don’t start painting narratives that simply aren’t true cuz you think it’ll somehow further your interest, dishonesty and not being true to self is going to come back to haunt you. The ppl aren’t dxmb/stxpid. FSD and autopilot are literally the best driving aids of any auto manufacturer and there’s hrs of vid on YT to prove it and millions upon millions of ppl that use it everyday and have experienced aid in other cars to compare. I hope you don’t lose yourself.

[@NextGenEvs]

I’ll stick with my FSD

[@williamgrunzweig571]

This video shows how far ahead Tesla's FSD program is. This is a basic lane keep assist...with no wheel nag. You said it yourself...it does not handle turns. You just described what Tesla's Basic Autopilot and other OEMs have been doing for years now. Just curious...when V13 of FSD come out in the next few months or so...and integrates reverse and parking...and garage controls with HomeLink....where will your OpenPilot system be at? Still in the category of Lane Keep Assist only?

[@AverageJoe928]

Openpilot can absolutely handle turns. Search "openpilot taco run" on KZbin for a video last year demoing openpilot's FSD work.

[@AkumaQiu]

People are buying aptera for aptera. I'm buying aptera for comma. Comma is way more impressive than EV bullshiet

[@ApteraCanada-h9f]

CLICK BAIT. The title is completely misleading. Open Pilot is not owned or developed by Aptera and has nothing to do with the company. Aptera has no intention of putting this into their vehicles and they may not even be wired for it. Open Pilot is simply a gadget that can be used with most cars. If you want it, buy it, but it will NOT come with an Aptera. You are not even testing its use in an Aptera...

[@martinzhang5533]

It's a nice project but one should not trust it more than a normal ACC system.

[@robertkirchner7981]

Fortunately, it doesn't claim to be self driving. Just a REALLY GOOD ACC system.

[@MIRAGEDEALER]

The last thing I would ever do is use Openpilot.

[@CrumResearch]

So far so good here, since 2018 -- 6 years!

[@Steven-h7h]

When did driving a car get boring? Unenjoyable? You can tell your kids, 'I was there.' Gee, thanks dad.

[@TogetherinParis]

Admit it guys. The only reason we watch all these Aptera videos is to occasionally see the girl holding the camera.

[@duncancairncross]

Aptera is a cramped TWO SEATER that is WIDER than a spacious huge five seater Cybertruck

[@AverageJoe928]

It's almost as if they're designed for different market segments 🙄

[@duncancairncross]

@@AverageJoe928 But a two seater is not usually wider than a massive truck!!

[@AverageJoe928]

@@duncancairncross And? Those massive trucks are the #1 sellers in the US, so clearly a large percentage of people don't care about the width.

[@duncancairncross]

@@AverageJoe928 I suspect there is very little overlap between people who want a small two seater and people who don't care about the width

[@hoocom2506]

Still not as good as teslas FSD

[@TailosiveEV]

1/7 the price I'd hope FSD is better lol

[@hoocom2506]

@TailosiveEV Which is fair. I think it would be so much better if they offered a kit for older vehicles. Which I know would be hard to achieve. That would be worth it I think.

[@Aegisx5]

@@hoocom2506 They do - for Teslas this is most useful for the older Model S that did not originally come with Tesla AP.

[@hoocom2506]

@Aegisx5 That's a good point as well. But I mean even older vehicles. If they successfully created a kit for older vehicles that can control the speed and wheel torque, and drive as good as it does. That would be something worth spending decent money on. It would take a bit of development. But totally worth it.

[@ZadesLegacy]

​@@hoocom2506 I believe that in order for this device to even be possible, the car itself has to have electronic throttle, steering, and braking. Otherwise it would have no way to control these systems as it relies on communicating with yours cars computer through your OBD port to work

[@raczjanesz74]

Why aptera does not license fsd from tesla?

[@iKingRPG]

because this is way cheaper

[@garywozniak7742]

Because they aren't part of the cult ? I don't want an $100/month option that I have to babysit.

[@TailosiveEV]

As highlighted in this video, FSD uses substantially more power than OpenPilot which significantly decreases your range as your car gets more efficient. Also OpenPilot is significantly cheaper, easier to upgrade, and available now, unlike FSD

[@trancendedmindpalace]

@@garywozniak7742 As a Tesla owner, I can't deny there is a Tesla cult. However, there is also a Tesla hate cult, to which it sounds like you're a part of. Aptera's choice to go with Coma has nothing to do with a "cult" its lower power consumption and price no need to hate on Tesla.

[@xclusivewalker2176]

Not to mention they are already using there charge port im sure they want to form there own identity

[@mattmiller220]

No on self driving nonsense. 👎

[@CrumResearch]

Not for everyone, but may be good for many, such as engineers. Great practical benefit of reducing driver fatigue on long boring drives, actually increasing safety.