I'm Glad Aptera's Late

[@DrTeeHenry]

Good points. I agree. I’m a bit surprised at my patience, but maybe I was subconsciously thinking of some of the same advantages of the delays. I’m willing to wait for a better product. But, I am 71 years old so there will eventually be a limit to my patience.

[@TailosiveEV]

Fair enough! I confess 2025 is definitely the right time. If they delay again it’ll be a missed opportunity

[@n.brucenelson5920]

@@TailosiveEV I will soon be 75, but even if I no longer have the health to drive one, the energy savings over the alternatives will be a win for everyone.

[@harriettanthony7352]

This writer agrees, at 74yrs old, with "Dr.Tee--" thoughts

[@JosephMartin-v3j]

79 here, 80 in 2 months. I have a Model X that I hardly ever drive, The Aptera will be a toy. We'll probably use it in lieu of our golf cart a lot. Probably do a lot of educating, like we did with our 2017 Tesla.

[@netscrooge]

I'm only 66. You guys are making me feel young!

[@JustWasted3HoursHere]

What makes Aptera's delays easier to swallow is the fact that we get regular, very open updates from Aptera themselves. If they were operating in secret with an occasional "It's coming, guys! Promise!" then I think this would be much more difficult.

[@artsmith103]

If Aptera is open: what is delivery price, when is delivery, were they open about motor change, why was belly cooling deleted, what and where installed is new cooling equipment, LE was sold as AWD but isn't, why haven't miles/kWh and kWh/day been demonstrated, why hasn't a rear solar hatch been fitted in over a year, why isn't there regenerative braking, why is fitting seats so difficult, if Gamma doesn't have cooling what hose did CA forget to connect, why was a dimension selected that specifically disqualifies it from European market?

[@JustWasted3HoursHere]

@@artsmith103 What makes you think those questions have not already been answered? Show me ANY other company that has been even half as open as Aptera. I don't know where all your hate is coming from or what would ever satisfy you. Why are you even watching this video?

[@artsmith103]

@JustWasted3HoursHere Please provide any Aptera answers you know. I fixed a spelling error, maybe that was confusing you. I hope various critics' integrity has helped vulnerable people from being hurt financially by Aptera. UAE wasn't tricked. USCG began relationship by early May, kicked off July 1, didn't have first investment until late August, so they're doing okay but could be better. Many fanboys are starting to comment about integrity issues with Aptera. Hopefully few people will be hurt going forward. And none of that even addresses the IP lawsuit plus at least 1 other topic has been identified as legally questionable.

[@fotoguru222]

@@artsmith103 Answers all from Aptera sources: 1) They can't set final price yet because they don't yet know the final costs. Do you? 2) They caan't tell you delivery times yet because they don't know when they'll get all the money they need. Do you? 3) Motor change wasn't certain until they found out the in-wheel motor supplier couldn't deliver. 4) Cooling HVAC unit was shown. 5) Specs can't be demonstrated until they build a full PI build. PI-4 will be that build, however they've demonstrated their computer simulation modeling has been very accurate so far. 6) Belly pan was deleted for being too expensive. 7) Solar hatch not fitted 'cause PI solar hatch doesn't fit earlier prototypes. 8) Nothing difficult about fitting seats. PI body is only now being assembled. 9) The cooling hose to the motor, Duh. 10) Regulations and laws can be changed, and the laws of Physics cannot. A narrower Aptera will be a less efficient Aptera.

[@artsmith103]

​​@@fotoguru222 That's a list of non answers. Typical excuse, not enough donations to finish, can't demonstrate status of anything until finished. Pathetic! They had a list of impossible prices used to generate +$150M in donations. Now after 2yrs, no price update? Think back to crash testing scheduled for 1st Q 2024...ooops. How about they sign one sales contract for specs, price, date? They offered it to UAE, was it over $50K? They're lucky there were no takers, they would never have delivered.

[@Stupranos]

Aptera NEEDs work effectively, efficiently and little to no issues as possible on launch. If that means more time is needed then so be it.

[@TheDapperham]

Couldn't agree more Drew, thanks. There are things in life well worth waiting for; wine, cheese and retirement jump to mind, and Aptera will join that list...next year! Can't wait....

[@philblum1496]

100%! I'm an accelerator and having bet a lot of $ on this car, I really want them to get it right before they release it. My Aptera dashboard continues to state 1st half of 2025.

[@Okurka.]

Remind me on July 1st, 2025.

[@kylerobinson7572]

I too am sad that I don’t have my Aptera in the driveway yet. I am glad that they went to the front wheel drive system that is highly reliable based on other manufacturer use. Three motors would’ve been cool but I think this is a real reliability play :-) I’ll take it! Hopefully next year! I’m not getting any younger :-)

[@santanumaitra3962]

I am optimistic about Aptera and I trust the CEOs, designer, and other employees. Efficiency driven design and their clever manufacturing as well as fundraising ideas are better than many others in the similar industry. I am very familiar with Elio (sat in a prototype in LA) and you are really missing the point if you are comparing Aptera with Elio. I totally agree with Drew here. I am a long-time follower of Aptera since the hybrid days, very early reservation-holder, and in the accelerator program. Aptera will be the young and modern sibling of our 2000 Honda Insight!

[@BlindedByLogic]

I would want an Aptera after it is firmly a proven product. Possibly a few years after it is released.... Hope it comes soon, but would rather it be delayed and successful. Even if it only gets 20mi a day from solar, I am very ok with that.

[@therisensun9277]

If they can launch with a 90s Toyota-like reputation for reliability and quality, but with well thought out and well performing software, they will succeed very quickly. Theres going to be news EVERYWHERE when it hits! If its of high quality, that will make all of the difference when its under the lime-light

[@michaelbramel5771]

OK...I feel better now.

[@Vocuzvizions]

Ngl I'm happy it's delayed I have a reservation for one but still in college and get out next year so it's perfect timing 😌

[@Dr.Gehrig]

So glad to hear it.

[@IndigenousEarthling101]

I hope Aptera has one of the smoothest rollouts of any “startup” vehicle manufacturer. They’ve been at it for over 18 years, prototyping, racing, refining, redesigning for manufacture, and finally preparing to go to market. Can’t wait to see these on our roads! 2025 is shaping up to be a year of automotive market transformation.

[@philblum1496]

Although the reboot has only been about 5 years. And please remember, the founders were forced out of the original company and are not responsible for it failing.

[@dallenbaldwin3484]

I've been enamored by aptera from the beginning. Every new story I see keeps me excited to eventually get one. Don't need one right now since I work from home and a single car makes plenty of sense for my family, but if that situation changes, I know where I'm looking first.

[@Okurka.]

Since 2005?

[@DemaGeek]

I agree too, Drew. Slow and steady wins the race if it means a high quality outcome!! I think this not only applies to the vehicle and Aptera's customers, but to the long-term success of the company as well! Your points are spot on.

[@yoobb]

The “late” timing may be ideal from a fundraising perspective, too. With declining interest rates, the 12%/year interest on the Aptera Convertible Notes, issued by U.S. Capital Global, becomes more attractive to investors.

[@artsmith103]

How will Aptera pay back $60M + 12%? They have no revenue! I don't expect USCG to deliver.

[@fotoguru222]

@@artsmith103 They will have revenue starting next year. (But not much.) Aptera will pay mostly in stock, which if you believe in their company, will become quite valuable. If you think Aptera can't deliver, then don't invest. Simple as that.

[@artsmith103]

@@fotoguru222 I have engineering degree from top 5 school in the country. Passed PE on first try. Career was fluid mechanics, heat transfer, reactor design. I find flaws in Aptera performance claims. I think donators/investors should demand more proof of performance claims that define the value of the trike. I offer what help I can. No one should be giving them money without confirmation of miles/kWh, kWh/day, battery capacity. Why didn't they recharge and post kWh when they drove for hamburgers? Why didn't they document solar kWh while parked out in the sun at the beach or San Fran show? Why weren't wind tunnel results published. When will Cd include mirrors, cooling air, rotating wheels? When will the wheel covers be raised as promised for final design?

[@CH-es4up]

I have wanted an Aptera since I was first introduced to the concept in 2007. So a little bit longer is worth the wait and not a problem for me. I trust that the folks making the big decisions are making them the right way for all the right reasons.

[@EnriqueAThieleSolivan]

I have been following it since the days the prototype (original) was a 3 cyl motor from a motor company and was suposed to have a range of 88 miles per gallon. With the advance in technology and future enviromental regulations going solar was the only way.

[@artboymoy]

I don't mind them taking their time! But I really want them to get their funding so we can be assured that it's on its way.

[@joelcordeiro2079]

Your analysis is always right on the mark, and I really am thankful for your fantastic KZbins! Thank you for being so GREAT! BTW my accelerator number is 1137. You always help me to be more patient. I would not be as comfortable in waiting for my Aptera if not for your positive comments. Many thanks!

[@Devilstower]

I had a reservation for the original Aptera. Without patience, I'd be long gone by now.

[@philblum1496]

Me too! Patience is my super power!

[@Okurka.]

It's a refundable $100 at max.

[@specialk22tt]

Agreed. You can say the same about how long Apple takes to release their products compared to other companies with the same products.

[@aftonline]

It seems like, if you have a timeline, maybe some sandbagging isn't such a bad thing. Like if you think you can deliver in a year, just tell your customers you can deliver in 2 years, and then if you don't get it out until 18-24 months later, all is good.

[@Molishious]

As a non investor watching from the sidelines I'm not so concerned with how soon they produce the car other than the fact that I imagine at some point people lose faith. Right now I just want to see a true prototype that does what the Aptera is supposed to do. A true proof of concept. I don't think they have that yet. They don't have a car that travels 1000 miles on a charge right? Maybe that shouldn't be on the website. I want to see the car that is capable of 40 miles of solar powered range in a day.

[@chriseidam7319]

Do you really think Aptera is going to launch a car? I don't. I wish. But I don't. What is it, four years since Aptera relaunched the company? Is it five years? Where will Aptera get in the money to launch production vehicles? It is already two months behind on a timeline announced 3-and-1/2 months ago. That's also when US Capitol began its efforts to lure big investors. None are interested, as far as we know. If I posted it once, I posted it 30 times - I don't see any big investor stepping up after the bait and switch to the Accelerators. I don't know why I continue to monitor Aptera's comings and goings. I have a sinking feeling that my first (and last) solar-charged vehicle will be made in China by a Chinese company.

[@artsmith103]

Actually, Aptera has lowered its claim to 30 solar miles/day = 11,000 miles/yr.

[@vic321344]

The Aptera is not even a car, it is a motorcycle.

[@1voluntaryist]

@@chriseidam7319 I don't know why you bother "monitoring" either. You're ignorant. For example, the founders have turned many, many offers to fund. It's complicated.

[@1voluntaryist]

@@vic321344 Your point? A rose is a rose, no matter the name, the technical classification. It's really "one of a kind", so unique it will need a new classification.

[@ScottOstr]

The longer it takes, the more I can save for it. However, the unicorn Tesla 2 might become unwanted competition. Good point about lithium prices. It might make the 600 and 1000 miles range versions prices down quite a bit by 2026.

[@jonevansauthor]

Possibly but people might also get a Model 2 for their second car, and swap their main 'fun' car for an Aptera because it's not practical for the family but it is going to have serious mid life crisis energy. Of course, we can't predict anything until they announce what the Model 2 actually is and how many seats it has and we don't even know if the Oct 10th event will be a 'Model 2'. Could be a delivery van for all we know. Or an electric plane.

[@fotoguru222]

@@jonevansauthor The Tesla Model 2 may never even be sold in the US. It is being designed for countries that don't buy big fast cars. Think little Fiats.

[@lamboman2]

Hurts to wait, but the jewel quality of this vehicle will be worth it. I was ok with economy quality; thrilled with the choices they’ve made as it will be so much more than that, yet still very affordable. This is world and industry-changing transportation technology.

[@lucianbakerii7562]

This is where the motor selection of Vitesco EMR3 drastically simplifies Aptera's path to production. Much easier to write, validate, and integrate that code than 3 motor/ inverter/ controller systems.

[@harriettanthony7352]

In this View, this writer very much agrees. The hub motor design was a 'box of problems' waiting to be opened. Things like damaged exposed wires and cooling lines, a failed motor in one wheel and then what?, and too much more. The current EV drive train is also in this writers 2019 {and beyound} Kia Niro BEV. I find it to be a very competent drive unit.

[@vic321344]

No torque vectoring, no independent drive wheel control, no AWD. But the outdated EMR3 is better. I understand.

[@garywozniak7742]

They've been driving and. Characterizing prototypes with wheel motors for years. Using them should have been no mystery at this point.

[@lucianbakerii7562]

@@garywozniak7742 I'm glad I didn't need to write the code. 😉

[@deanmcmanis9398]

I agree about the importance of thorough software testing and development in new vehicles. Fisker is a good example, but I also immediately thought about Chevy with the Blazer EV and Equinox. They rushed to get the EV Blazer out because they were dropping the Bolt, Ford was doing well selling the Mach-E, and Tesla was cleaning up with the successful Model Y. But the first Blazers had serious software bugs that bricked the vehicle and caused glitches that undermined customer (and reviewer) confidence. So Chevy stopped shipment, and delayed the EV Equinox, and fixed the problems. But they hurt their goodwill and rushing to earlier sales cost them future sales. I do also agree that the Aptera production delays skipped them past the inflated costs of batteries and problems with parts and supplier shortages. And being a startup company means that Aptera is already going to have issues getting suppliers interested in doing business with a small volume startup EV automaker. So the delay has given them many more good options, and the ability to sell at a profit despite years of inflation. I may not be like some other Aptera buyers (focused maximum range on public DC fast charging). But I figure that Aptera's built-in solar, combined with super efficiency, means that I will be probably charging once a month, and the rest of the time at home. So even though I am happy to have NACS, I will likely use it only once or twice a year. But overall I am OK with the delays to get my Aptera done Right, if not Right Away. 🚗🌞

[@cruzer01]

The deadline is self imposed leading to customer expectation of the self imposed production. I don't think anyone would complain knowing it would be a five year plan then deliver earlier than expected. Just my 2 cents, but you make some good points. Thanks

[@craigmerrow225]

Like my grandfather used to say, if it's worth having, it's worth waiting for!

[@garywozniak7742]

At 40kw to 60kw Aptera will charge fine on any charger. I wouldn't go out of my way to find a Super charger with one. In the decade that ive lived in Oregon I have rarely seen Superchargers on the roads that I drive.

[@RaymondCore-ts5jl]

"No wine before its time" - Orson Welles for Paul Masson Wine.

[@JustToBeThin]

Late is late, I would be surprised if they deliver in 2026. I have gone EV with Tesla, I am an investor and (2) reservations holder. I was excited 2- years ago. Now I will wait till the bugs are worked out and see if efficiency is even close to 10 miles per kWh. I think they will be able to make it 6-7 miles per kWh (more excuses I am sure). Really you think 50 kWh is DC fast charging. Not to mention no heat pump and no security sentry mode. So o will wait.

[@chriseidam7319]

Have you been reading my posts? I charge "PLAGIARISM"! I know exactly how you feel. I gave up on Aptera this May after the investors' video. I ordered and invested in June of 2021. I must have told 200 people about this vehicle. Right up until that May investors' video, I had four people convinced they should invest in the company. Then I found out Aptera lied to the Accelerators about the all-wheel drive and wheel motors. I hurriedly sent out tex5t, emails and phone calls to these people before they committed their money and told him to forget about it, it looked like the company is going to fail. What the Accelerators are supposedly going to get is drastically different. How is that not fraud? Aptera knew it wouldn't use hub motors and have all wheel drive as far back as last summer, yet continued to pitch people the Accelerator program, only to come clean days after the Accelerator program closed to further investment. I test drove a Chevy Equinox 2 LT last week and really liked it. It is a beautiful driving car. Chevy knocked it out of the park. But I was disappointed in the dealer, because its advertised sale price was actually the price with state and federal incentives already deducted. In no place in its advertisement did it mention that. Totally illegal. I left in disgust. The final price I got with federal incentives and Chevy's incentives was $34,000. My state offers another $1,000. An EV that gets 320+ miles of true average range it (306 mpc at 70 mph!!!!!) for only $33,000 net? How is Aptera going to compete with that?

[@artsmith103]

​@@chriseidam7319 Once you get to efficiencies over 4 miles/kWh it's hard to justify vehicle sacrifice or added cost to improve efficiency. 4 miles/kWh is 3,000 kWh/yr or ~$450/yr at home. So huge 50% more efficiency saving is only $225/yr. Why give up anything for that? I think you guys are on the right track.

[@chriseidam7319]

@@artsmith103 I post that more as an investor. As a reservationist, I would love to see the car come out and be high-quality and do most of the things they claimed it would do. In my case it has to be all-wheel drive cuz I live in New England and I wouldn't dare driving a 3-wheel vehicle with only front wheel drive in snowy and icy conditions. It's suicidal. I would also need the off-road version that I ordered. My wife and I backpack. We took my plug-in Prius up the side of Mount Blue in Maine to the trailhead for the last 1.6 mi of trail to the top. The road was a washed-out lumber road or fire road. It had lots of ruts. I thought I was going to lose my catalytic converter a few times. That's why I ordered the off-road version with the high clearance and the ugly wheel skirts. I would buy the pretty wheel skirts and put those on the vehicle when I'm not going on those trips. I still need the lifted suspension to clear the belly pan. We have some pretty big speed bumps all around Providence. Potholes, too. But at this rate, - as a realist - I think about the burn rate and how no new money is coming in as far as we know. (I imagine they would want to announce a fundraising success as soon as possible so as to draw other investors, but I never see that happening.). How long until the cash is exhausted? I see a company that is going to die, of a self-inflicted wound (deceiving the Accelerators). My stock shares will be worth as much as that Confederate currency you can buy in museum gift shops. Come to think of it, less.

[@artsmith103]

@@chriseidam7319 Maybe Aptera will sell the crowdfunded assets for $0.50 on the dollar to someone competent enough to finish? I don't think they have a completed design to finish. I think there is severe lack of space with new motor, cooling, suspension squeezed into the front. I live 6 miles from steep gravel National Forest canyon roads. Way too many potholes for the trike plus uncomfortably wide for oncoming traffic.

[@lk313]

Agreed. Do it right is always better than do it on-time.

[@ItsSeals]

More time to save to buy it. I’m in no rush. Also more money to save at IPO

[@dtl]

Great point about battery prices in 2022!!

[@RayKeys-j5w]

Agreed that a superior product is worth waiting for. However, my "best before date" is receding into the distance which is disappointing.

[@elertus]

🙏🏽AMEN🙏🏽 Aptera’s Level I (120v) 13hr charge rate is nice too, compared to others… and is available anywhere “ in a pinch “… along with solar trickle charging….can get you home to your personal clean Level II charger !

[@chucknorri5]

Alfa Motor Company has some great looking vehicles, Ace and Wolf truck. Waiting for any announcement when they are going to make them

[@Guerreropowerr]

yeah i hadn't thought about delay in deliveries as a plus until you mentioned the access to the Tesla Superchargers.

[@Dr.Gehrig]

Yeah, coming out in 2025 seems good timing, and yes, I want it to be super solid. The last thing we need is the first solar ev on the market to be a buggy flawed falling apart product.

[@geoffshelley2427]

I don't mind the delays. I'm still working on saving up for it.

[@SomeGuyNamedPaul49]

Aptera was talking about NACS before NACS was a thing because they're the ones who came up with the name NACS and started the push to make it the standard.

[@Okurka.]

LOL, they didn't come up with the name NACS.

[@wilty5]

KIA seems to be entering the small EV space, they just announced their EV ‘KIA PBV (PLATFORM BEYOND VEHICLE). Your chances of getting the KIA before any of the other EVs tha you mentioned is significantly greater than the others you mentioned because KIA has the infrastructure, manufacturing capacity, and experience in this space

[@Lord_Mangoat]

Being patient is far more important than rushing.

[@ReetinEntertainment]

I see your arguments but my counterpoint is that I want it now.

[@1voluntaryist]

Elon visited Aptera early and offered NAC when it was exclusive to Tesla. You wasted a lot of time on "a problem that never was". The first conception of Aptera was not electric, no PV panels, no computer improved drag, .15 only, (not .135), no assisted driving. Now, we might not ever need to plug in. I hope they get wireless charge. For the founders, this has never been a race. Who is building "another ultra efficient EV"? Aptera is all alone, a paradigm shift in efficiency.

[@MrEd2291]

All right, I buy your argument. Still, Aptera needs to make at least some deliveries in 2025 or it will be left behind.

[@cusman]

When a product is desirable, I wait. When it delivers on the what I find desirable about it, I'll buy it.

[@n.brucenelson5920]

The Roadster II was announced in 2011, and we still don't know when it will come out!

[@guillaumequevy418]

It was announced in 2017...a tweet from Elon saying they will make a second roadster is not an announcement.

[@PlaidZoomer]

Yeah who knows. Elon recently said 2025

[@n.brucenelson5920]

@@guillaumequevy418 From Wikipedia: History - In 2011, at the end of the production run of the original Tesla Roadster, Musk suggested that a new version of the Roadster, without the Lotus Elise chassis, could return to production by 2014.[7] Keene, Jaime (October 31, 2011). "Tesla Roadster to return in 2014". The Verge. Archived from the original on November 17, 2017.

[@guillaumequevy418]

@@n.brucenelson5920 exactly. That's not an announcement.

[@chriseidam7319]

​@@n.brucenelson5920 Meh .. That's not a vehicle launch announcement. That's a casual statement of a future goal, not a promise to deliver the vehicle by a certain time. It was strictly supposition. I would not give it equal weight.

[@RonsTruth]

While a charger network is useful for travel, since I put in my home charger I've only needed a public charger once or twice. Not a big deal.

[@johnvoules7447]

Drew, the only reason we don’t have APTERAs on the road is strictly funding. Yes, battery prices went down but everything else went up. Charging infrastructure…what, even level one would be enough for most people the vast majority of time, plus the fact that it is capable to self charge. Not poo pooing on APTERA as they are trying their best, but already being in the market place in my opinion would have benefited APTERA more than having followers waiting since their first iteration.

[@e-economy-]

yeah, the first argument was NOT catching with me. - it was simply a funding issue. - driving EV since 2016 with 300.000 km on the meter - mentioning charing issues in 2022/23/24? really? na, especially NOT for Aptera, as it is the vehicle least depending on charging

[@Okurka.]

@@e-economy- Do you live in the future?

[@e-economy-]

@@Okurka. I hope not. 😂 2016 of course 👍🏽

[@jeremypmerrill]

There is no inherent advantage to delivering late, there IS an advantage to setting reasonable expectations to begin with.

[@SuperJLTube]

Some of these smaller companies should join together to share resources

[@philblum1496]

Let's remember, too, that, if you believe what we're hearing, Aptera is literally doing nothing less than reinventing the car from the ground up. I think this is what's behind the difficulty finding funding. Big $ investors tend to be conservative and not have the vision to bet on something totally different. Given that, Aptera must stick the landing to demonstrate that it is a good investment for the IPO. If it is a buggy POS not ready for prime time when released, the IPO will either fail, or have to be pushed back. Neither option promotes Aptera's plan to make every trip powered by the sun.

[@zencone]

Seems like it should cost less since it's going to be a single motor vs. the 2 front in-wheel motors, but then again tomatoes cost more as the box shrinks and you get less tomatoes.

[@MOBMJ]

Totally agree, Tesla is a great example of this. look at the Model X and 3. of course there are more stuff too but, these are the first things that come to mind.

[@RonsTruth]

Time is money in Business, the longer it takes to get started the more it costs and the more expensive the car will be.

[@esrandl]

Totaly concur. The vehicle has to be complete and debugged prior to selling. It is ok if late. I own a Fisker and it is actually a pretty good vehicle on OS 2.0 and will likely be even better on 2.2. However, when released on OS 1.1 it was marginal. This resulted in the company going bankrupt even with a fairly decent vehicle. DONT make the mistakes Fisker made...

[@cjwilson54]

The solar panels weren't anywhere close to ready until this year.

[@Tekaisuwu]

I’m sad I missed buying the scale model to hold me over :(

[@markfinley3703]

I believe they said 6,000 units/year to be profitable. Incredible.

[@JB-ro3sz]

the market demand should push everything to tesla charging and should convert all current chargers to tesla super chargers.

[@crimestoppers1877]

Could they be waiting for winter where they can demonstrate how even with short days, long nights, cloudy skies, fog and rain there is enough sunlight to power your car?

[@RonsTruth]

Again, Q2 of next year is a PIPE dream. At least 9 to 12 months after the prototype that they don't even have a date for yet.

[@chriseidam7319]

A 2025 launch? HAH! I would do a spit take if that happened. The company is already two months behind on a timeline announced less than four months ago. I have little doubt we will be talking about a, "coming launch," beyond 2025, up until the burn rate eliminates the rest of Aptera's cash.

[@ematejowsky]

I have a much longer wait because I need a RHD version 2028?. I bought an Ora-3 to play with in the meantime and don't really want to part with that for a while. I'm an accelerator, if I was in the US I might have hung onto the older car time till Aptera production.

[@johnpoldo8817]

I hope Aptera launches with a heat pump because it enhances efficiency.

[@andrewmclean1239]

It won’t. Forget that.

[@donb6474]

t was $25,000 years ago when I put my order in eons ago. I been waiting one AU.

[@jkajewski]

I just want my spot to come up in line before I need to make vehicle purchase, my 1994 is still kicking well but there's no guarantee it'll make it another year or two.

[@DanFrederiksen]

iirc Fisker was delayed so I'm not sure there is clear cut trend there. Fisker was close, the design just had to be fantastic to outshine Tesla, which is tough. They didn't spend a ton of money. Rivian losses more than Fisker's total spend every single quarter. Think about that.

[@silvereagle20082]

ok ok I hear you it all makes sense, but i want my APTERA NOW!!! LOL

[@kyledesousa9312]

The capital markets have also been bad, so raising in the last 2 years would have been bad. Theyre loosening now, so it lines up well.

[@fortheloveofnoise]

when it is 5k used, i would check one out

[@BeldansFire]

Thats true they have doged some bullets while delaying. I have ine question though last i her the NACS team was let go, basically putting brakes on an entire industry standard adoption. Unless i have been out of the loop and Buckees is planning on having a NACS rollout nationwide.

[@dhavalpatel9385]

The challenge with all the delays combined with Aptera’s funding structure makes the public think this is perpetual vapor ware. The disclosure of technical debt at this point just seems like excuses.

[@chanyuanlai]

I rather late then sorry

[@georgelparrott6988]

I have been hoping for Aptera since 2007. But the current design "changes" going from in-wheel motors to a single front motor represent a major performance sacrifice in traction control...and power for that matter. The vehicle NOW "production intent" is not the vehicle we were promised all those deposit years ago....

[@Jttw2131]

I'll wait until all the bugs are worked out before getting one. But I may be dead by then.

[@mgxmaddguiness7066]

Quality rushed is toiletry flushed. Quality maintained is intellect brained.

[@RonsTruth]

A few things: They are already 2 years late. The car is not getting better, it is getting worse (in wheel dumped, AWD dumped, and the range is likely to be less, maybe much less that promoted - not to mention the price likely higher than expected. You will not see this car in 2025. They don't even know when they will have a prototype ready and it will take a year or so after the prototype before they can start to produce cars.

[@Harrythehun]

The Aptera, seems quite hard to enter and step out of it. Believe folks would be very hesitant to buy it.

[@benjaminkindle1841]

Lower interest rates won't hurt either

[@massivethoughttheory7099]

What is your accelerator number?

[@danharold3087]

In an ideal world a software defined vehicle is never done. Pick the point to where you can sell it successfully and go for it. One can always add features which will please existing owners and make it more appealing. Car buyers will come to understand this. VW was forced to create EA has no upside in making fast charging affordable for cars they don't make. VW has furloughed US factory workers and stopped US ID4 production for the rest of 2024. Stop sale on ID4 due to a door circuitry defect that opens the door randomly. Fixed is expected next year. As autoline daily said it is easier to deal with the UAW when the workers are not working (want to get back to work is my take)

[@houssamalucad753]

No. They took costumers money, they NEED to deliver as soon as they have a safe functional product, not make us wait 5 years becuase they want the last drop of paint to be perfect. Look at Tesla for example, the model 3 might had imperfect paint and some panel gaps, but it was a good enough products that costumers wanted and loved, as opposed to their supercar which is idk how many years late at this point and is now outdated because other manufactureres are already offering better cars.

[@EnriqueAThieleSolivan]

This is a very optimized solar car. Its construction has no match in the industry. All that time was using to develop a mass production car (or motocycle). If it came out 2 years ago it would neve be this good.

[@CrumResearch]

2025 may be a good year, including Cybertruck RWD as well?

[@jamesmedard9989]

Is Aptera ever coming to San Diego's market, Yeah I live in the manufacturers city; so when will it finally be on the road. You say about delays but Aptera is saying '21, '22, '23, '24 now '25 just launch it and fix glitches as they come up. Or say it will never be available. And Nimbus is the same promises, promises, promises and still not available, what's nice about Nimbus is the in apt. charging. Jim

[@MarkSparks-xd9yy]

Up next: a road test on Nikola's test road. A new model called the Gravity that will use Gravity for power.

[@charlesbeane8795]

Aptera has not leapfrogged any drama. Let's be honest. All they've done is make a couple of prototypes and try to raise money. I'm sure they have worked on some side projects like solar panels and pineapple leather but the last I heard, they don't even have a motor. The idea that they were timing everything because of charging infrastructure or lithium prices is ludicrous. They just don't have the money to finish. They seem like nice guys. I like the concept. Assuming the pictures of molds and parts are legit, they have sunk some effort into this. I don't doubt they are trying. However....... Their marketing is still skewed towards investors more than buyers which pretty much tells you where the emphasis truly is. Transparency is an illusion. You are seeing what they want you to see. You're not seeing the bad stuff. I understand why they aren't announcing pricing....they don't know what they are building yet. That's not a knock, it's just reality. They haven't released any performance data....again, they don't know what they are building yet. They've been consistently saying that production will start 9 months after funding. That statement really hasn't changed to my knowledge. So all the promises about PI 1or 2 etc are really secondary considerations. Even if they had built them on time it doesn't change anything unless they get a sugardaddy. That is and always has been the elephant in the room. . So just breath out. Adjust your expectations. It's not going to happen for a while, maybe never.

[@TailosiveEV]

The production motor is in the PI2 build right now. If you don’t look for any updates, it’s easy to complain that there isn’t any 🤣

[@charlesbeane8795]

@@TailosiveEV Semantics I guess. I think you mean production intent motor. Just because they mounted a motor doesn't mean they "have" a motor unless they did all their prior testing in parallel with the hub motors and didn't tell anyone. They now have an entirely different drive train that just replaced their old hub motor(s) which they were totally sold on a few months ago. Of course that raises other questions but I'll give them a pass on promising AWD and overselling the hub motors. I hope the new motor works and I suspect it will since the tub was built for it. Lucky it arrived just before crash testing since all the crash simulations just went out the window. And I do keep up with developments but honestly there's not much to keep up with. You only have to check in every few months to see if anything has changed. Usually it hasn't. I don't fault Aptera from doing what they have to do. Just keep in mind that they show you what they want you to see.

[@TailosiveEV]

You clearly don’t. Cause if you did follow the updates you’d know they internally switched away from hub motors over a year ago and were waiting for permission from Vitesco to announce the change. Crash simulation was already underway with the new design long before the announcement

[@charlesbeane8795]

@@TailosiveEV Sorry, my sarcasm wasn't more visible. It is quite obvious that Aptera knew for some time that the hub motors weren't going to work. You just confirmed it. They knew and didn't tell anyone. That IS the entire point I'm making. You said they withheld information while they waited to get Vitesco's permission to tell their reservation holders and investors that hub motors and AWD was dead. It is also probable that there would have been a period after they knew that hub motors were a failure before they had an agreement with Vitesco. That would further extend the time investors were left in the dark. I stand by my first statement. Tranparency is an illusion. They tell you what serves their purposes. It's business. I don't fault them for it. I don't blindly believe everything they say either.

[@whiteandnerdytuba]

Of course the dude with a Tesla flag is justifying late car delivery

[@StevenBryant-l4h]

Yes very good

[@markvillarreal6005]

I wouldn't have minded waiting longer but aptera lost me when they ditched the all-wheel drive in wheel motors.

[@andrewfuller8440]

The problem with this delay is that Tesla is bringing out a low priced model C, which could take a lot of Aptera sales, it’s all a case of quality and price.

[@TailosiveEV]

Remember the $39k Cybertruck?

[@barnabasseadog7660]

That Tesla still won't generate its own fuel.

[@jonevansauthor]

@@barnabasseadog7660 yes, if they actually do a 'low price' car, which we won't know until they confirm it, AND ship it, it still won't have solar so does not fill the same function. Especially if it has more than 2 seats. Even if it has 2 seats, and is Smart car sized, it wouldn't be in the same spot. Not that I think it's likely Elon will do a Smart car sized 2 seater because he's a physical coward who thinks size matters - and I don't entirely blame him, because he lives in the US where road deaths are off the charts, ironically because of having no driving standards but also low quality suspension, brakes, and using work vehicles as family cars. But realistically, if he sold a 2 seater road deaths would drop rapidly in the US, especially if he got the price down to match existing EVs in Europe and elsewhere - $25K is no longer an impressively cheap, full car specification, EV.

[@Okurka.]

@@barnabasseadog7660 A $250 solar panel on the roof of your garage will produce plenty of fuel.

[@imtypingwords]

Im ok with 2026 for my order

[@jcjensenllc]

thought this would be about Aptera

[@DominicZaidan]

How many years is aptera late though.

[@1voluntaryist]

NONE! It will be late if production doesn't begin in 2025.

[@DominicZaidan]

@1voluntaryist I hope so. I've invested for over 5 years now. Knowing they flopped about 10 years or so ago. Not sure about time frame. But I believe in the product and people, just the constant fundraising and promises gets old.

[@Okurka.]

@@1voluntaryist They have said "next year" for the past 4 years.

[@wilty5]

I don’t know what I’m not seeing when I look at the Aptera that a lot of people seem to admire but I am not a fan of the weird design

[@williamread8186]

I think the soonest Aptera will get into production is 2026

[@chriseidam7319]

... which means it'll probably have burned through all of its cash reserves by then, leading to a very feeble and anemic token launch, followed by a quick closing of the company.

[@vic321344]

2029 is more probable. If you use the mayan calendar.

[@1voluntaryist]

The first firm delivery year was 2025. Barring an unexpected delay, I trust the integrity of the founders who are on the front line fighting for completion, unlike most CEOs.

[@vic321344]

@@1voluntaryist No, the first firm delivery date was 2019. In 2018. But then "unexpected delays" happened. That repeated every year since then. The integrity of the founders is zero. They just throw out empty promises. Since 2009.

[@Okurka.]

@@1voluntaryist On page 7 of Aptera's and USCapital Global's investment presentation it states that 10-15 production vehicles will be on sale in 2024.

[@SatanicJamnic]

Imagine having Tesla flag in your room in 2024

[@Qbanna]

Talking about charging a vehicle that requires no charging as reason for a delay? Nobody is driving a Yugo 500 miles...or this thing.

[@timothymoroney3561]

. . . and too we should be long done with 'bidenonmics' by then :)