TAKE MY MONEY! || Nektar Panorama CS12

[@LittleMrTree]

Please consider an update. Do u still use/have it? How does it integrate in your workflow after 6 month?

[@TommyNation]

There is now a Cubase full integration update

[@Atmospheric.Jungle]

I've got this and what no one explains is that If you are a longtime mouse and keyboard user it is incredibly difficult to break the habit of a lifetime. Nothing will ever be as good as the mouse and keyboard for subtle alterations (don't be fooled). You will either get into using this and use it occasionally or it will become another glaerous peripheral that gathers dust. Mine is currently the latter.

[@JimGramze]

Have had this since it was first available and absolutely love it. There is nothing cheap about the feel of the plastic body which is solid and rigid. I've never seen anything this customizable before that can work with any plugin from any manufacturer (parameters must be automate-able. Loved it from the first moment I plugged it in. Amazing how it populates the controls for plugins that have not been mapped yet. I do prefer my own mappings and layouts to the factory ones.

[@alexbreyer6921]

So you are mapping plugins differently than Nektar did? How different is it?

[@samsonlovesyou]

Any idea how it compares to the SSL UC-1 and UF1?

[@velanche]

Got mine a few months ago and slowly working through it, but it sits nicely on my studio desk next to my Launchpad Pro. Along with my wireless trackpad and keyboard,, the CS12 is potentially a great complimentary device. The support folks at Nektar have been great to answer some of my queries, and I look forward to not only getting deeper into the device, but also the eventual improvements over time.

[@tobeyforsman]

single point automation is brilliant

[@huberttorzewski]

99 out of 100 times I like the automation to be a 100% what I did with the fader instead of some linear curve with 2 points which I can create with a mouse in 3 seconds. But yea, as an additional feature it's ok

[@Maradnus]

@@huberttorzewski as I do agree with you, when it comes to editing 1000 points... I hate it. more often then not it takes me longer to clean up the dots than it would have for me to just draw it in.. considering we can match every thing with curves & such I do with there was an option to convert it so we get the best of both worlds.

[@Mansardian]

@@huberttorzewski agree. That is what I was thinking. What if I want to automate curvey lines?

[@94XJ]

​@@Mansardian I'm fairly confident you can toggle the feature off if you want some crazy curves

[@tomaszwaszka3394]

1:49 "...and this thing" Motorized faders? if yes, what is it?

[@KordTaylor]

One point automation looks awesome 😍 Thank you so much for calling this out. 👏🏻

[@trstack]

As a Logic user and CS12 owner, I can attest, it works very well! I almost went SSL but desk space, true Logic integration and price made this an easier choice.

[@bioglassmusic]

have you reviewed the new icon controllers? V1 or P1 series?

[@duarteestelita8938]

yeh…. the icon products also interest me ? have you checked them out ? thanks

[@bioglassmusic]

@@duarteestelita8938 is that the older controllers or newer P/V-1? I'll check k it out

[@PTFWWDB]

does it work okay with Studio One and Luna ??

[@OzziePete1]

Nektar has a good history with deep DAW integration. They did the original Panorama keyboard controllers with deep Reason DAW integration that was great for it's time. Then they expanded that type of integration with other DAWs on those Panoramas.

[@alexbreyer6921]

Scary part is they dropped supporting and updating features to a lot of DAWs where only the transport buttons would do anything. Still helpful, but not what people were buying into.

[@xfghffhfg]

Nektar products always felt half baked to me.

[@IamProfessorO]

Do you think it’s still worth getting for reason users?

[@InstrumentFarm]

Nice! Regarding the plastic or metal chassis. Have you ever measured the voltage from any of the metal chassis to earth ground? I'm getting 30-50 Volts AC on much of the gear with ungrounded power supplies. The plastic cases do not expose this voltage to the end user or other devices. The voltage is low amperage, but for folks with EMF sensitivity or other gear and control voltages that may be sensitive, it's an issue.

[@Whiteseastudio]

I can feel that, definitely sensitive for it...

[@InstrumentFarm]

@@Whiteseastudio I've had to ground a good deal of my equipment and furniture. Nice side effect, super quite studio electronically. Even the spring reverbs are noise free. Odd that the Apple laptops are some of the few that have ungroudned power adapters. And they pass 50 Volts AC to Earth from the chassis. Unless the 3 prong power extension cable is used in lieu of the 2 prong flip out.

[@maffstenning9627]

Fair point mate. My Arturia Minibrute and Macbook Air M1's metal bodies both purr like (angry) cats through my fingers, depending on what other gear is switched on or off lol.... :)

[@Trakzero]

@@maffstenning9627 I have severe nerve inflammation caused by EMF (electromagnetic fields). I had devastating pain in my colon from 2017 to late 2023 due to the 2016 15" MacBook Pro I purchased in 2017. All the metal Apple laptops leak 50 volts A/C current from the frame to Earth ground. If you are touching the laptop or have it on your lap, this voltage goes into your body. As it was doing with me. I've been pain free since I started using the laptop properly grounded. Apple's power adapter can be grounded, as every other manufacturer does by default, but you need to use their three prong power cable extension. There are aftermarket 3 prong duckheads for the Apple power adapter as well. I can't tolerate WiFi or Bluetooth exposure either, but those are far less trouble than direct A/C current exposure. I can't believe this is allowed in gear.

[@buckheadshaman]

Love mine. Easy to use... Bought one a few weeks ago.

[@murraywebster1228]

Have you checked out MPMidi yet?

[@Studioinsession]

Better Controller Capabilities with update.

[@SilentEagle-73]

What’s about the mp Midi Controler?

[@ApiaryProductions]

MP MIDI since the stand alone update is bloody fantastic.1 use it for so much more than just music stuff. I was keen on this one for a while but I think I’m off it especially after watching this

[@SilentEagle-73]

@@ApiaryProductions the mp midi is much more versatile

[@Studioinsession]

They updated the Controller DAW software to Control the DAW itself…… 👍🤙🔥

[@CedricPytelRagtimeStudioUk]

Hi Wytse, nice one would you also be able to test the rocksolid audio controllers? They are really compact and would love to have your views on them....

[@ktreier]

My UF8+UF1+UC1 are my go to controllers. Built like Tanks with excellent displays, faders, encoders.

[@massivebeatzz]

mine too - but 3rd party plugin control is lacking - as the 360 link plugin is half baked still.

[@ktreier]

@@massivebeatzz it’s clear SSL is dedicated to this ecosystem though. It’ll get there.

[@samsonlovesyou]

​@@ktreierDo you think the SSLs have any advantage over this Nektar?

[@massivebeatzz]

Great video! Great product strategy - and - what took us sooo long?

[@jamjestrysiek]

I got MIDI keyboard fromNektar and it is amazing with its integration and ease of use. I will wait to see how good this controller will be with Cubase. I hope it will :) Great video :)

[@IamProfessorO]

I was thinking of getting the panorama P4 or P6. Wonder how different it is from this one? Aside from the lack of keys obviously. Do you recommend the midi keyboard?

[@kmac.]

Nektar are one of the best when it comes to out of the box DAW integration imo

[@roman2374]

On terms of automation - the one thing I miss in Logic that they do very well in Ableton, you can select an area and then right click and select a shape for an automation curve. It's hope they copy that for Logic soon

[@QuantizStudioRecords]

This wotk with Cubase, Studio One....or only Logic?

[@rudigerk]

Cubase and Nuendo Integration is now available

[@gerardvanamstel]

Hi, hoe heb je de uf1 en uc1 aan elkaar vastgemaakt?

[@mattstegner]

Single point automation: Many DAWs have thinning to reduce the sheer number of potential automation points that are written and not overwhelm the CPU with thousands of automation points. So thesis a pretty well known concept, that was taken to the logical end. It is a good idea.

[@KenKthulhu]

Is there Reason integration?

[@ichiro-ota]

Is this color-coding configurable? Otherwise it's going to be pretty hard to use for those color-blind. But it seems a very promising controller.

[@DrProgNerd]

YES .....integrate for REAPER .....Please !!!! I'm in the market for a controller. I'd love to own this.

[@ArguZ72]

You really need to look into the new Console 1MKIII with native Fabfilter support though. The separate mid side eq per band alone are worth a second and third look.

[@synaikido]

The Nektar Panorama CS12 combined with the Softube Console 1 Channel is great 🙂 with the C1 strip you have the most important sounddesign tools loaded to use and the C12 controls everything else!

[@jorgewinchester2137]

Can I continue my icon qcon pro and use nektar together in protools?

[@TheAlburp]

I hope they make it available for Bitwig 🤞

[@soundfx68]

I remember a comment from Nektar themselves somewhere, they said they would be adding Bitwig integration eventually.

[@Skijumptoes]

Absolutely brilliant controller, no wrapper is such a massive thing for me and always loved the Nektar products. Really good personal support, too.

[@gainofdysfunction4135]

Does it do Serum and other VSTis? I didn't see a VSTi being controlled in this demo.

[@MultiKulti]

have you tried the Rocksolid audio "channelstrip" controllers (micro 3 or micro4k) ? Small and powerfull

[@Mista808]

I need something like this specifically for FL Studio! I also need an MPC that works perfectly with FL Studio as well! I own an MPC X, but it's a pain in the ass trying to use it with FL Studio. I don't like using the MPC plugin within FL and I'm not much of a fan of recording into my MPC X using sounds/VST's from FL Studio either.

[@LeeAudioAddictz]

was there some fan noise in the very background of this video slightly oscillating in frequency .... i think i only noticed as was watching in headphones but once i heard it i could not stop hearing it

[@Whiteseastudio]

There was indeed something weird going on with the pre-amp of the camera, I’ve RXed the crap out of it… well heard!

[@TheeRocker]

For me I'd use a wall wart for power. I consider it's a good idea to power a device separately from the computer. Even though I have a power supply to handle it, I don't want my motherboard to handle that.

[@Windiguana]

Nektar makes good stuff, the Pacer is a highly underrated, insanely versatile, built like a tank midi pedalboard / daw foot controller, definitely worth checking that one out

[@m.a.6478]

As soon as it is integrated with Reaper I would appreciate a deep dive on how to use it with Reaper!

[@JoseRodriguez-cl7be]

I was waiting for so long for this... I got a nektar keyboard controller a long time ago, and the integration with cubase was like it was made from steinberg, it worked better than the cmc controllers, and those controllers were awesome.

[@NematicFifth]

Sure hope they integrate other daws, don't have logic but i wanted to get a faderport type thing for cubase. Are there and cubase users who have a daw controller type thing? what do you use?

[@TheJonHolstein]

I think Nektar said Cubase was next on their list for support for this device. I don't know how the faders feel on the new iCon pro series, but they have been clever enough to use a touch display with a grid overlay to make "buttons", so that they can have correct label for any daw (and they support simple keyboard macros for user presets, not a Elgato Streamdeck replacement but much better than the typical Mackie controller). They also have a way of controlling last touched parameter, in that case by using the jog-wheel, I suspect that works in Cubase, not sure it works in every daw.

[@thenextinsect]

I use the SSL UC1 UF8 and UF1 with Cubase. I’ve been using them for a while in Ableton Live and they work great. I recently switched back to Cubase after several years away. So far the integration has been solid… There’s a few things different about how it works, but it works. I’ve been enjoying it

[@gainofdysfunction4135]

What happens when a plugin has more functions than the CS12 has knobs? Is there a shaft function to handle that?

[@velanche]

With the press of a button, you can jump between sections/pages of a plugin.

[@gainofdysfunction4135]

@@velanche Thanks ! That's the answer I hoped for.

[@joebressler9554]

I’ll be patient until Studio One is supported, but I have a question: many knob controllers have the annoying behavior of immediately jumping to a value when moved, or not responding until you spin past the actual value. I see that the fader seems to jump to actual value….how do the knob controllers respond?

[@grunions9648]

That's really only an issue with potentiometers, which have a start and stop range. Most decent 'pots' on digital equipment these days are rotary encoders - they have no limit on range and will just increment values depending on which direction you turn them in. So no workarounds like jumping or take-up are necessary.

[@zacksymes]

What is your main DAW of choice? Is it Logic?

[@bontempo1271]

This has sparked my interest for sure ! I hope they will do one for Cubase

[@jacobwing8644]

Great video as always! If they update this to work with pro tools, my wallet will be out so fast it may just catch on fire!

[@subphotic]

Great video, looks really interesting. Agree that the build quality seems a bit subpar, but I like the LPX mapping and that new automation mode.

[@DJAdalaide]

I reckon the console 1 will be the best for your workflow, but i could be wrong - i have one sitting in a box in the cupboard

[@TheJonHolstein]

There is the issue though with plugin support. Softube added some fabfilter plugins, but I don't think they support sonible. And I'm not sure what else Wytse is using.

[@MichaelBriggs3]

Let us know when it works with Reaper.

[@fausto_colella]

off topic question: i see you have the DIY SSL bus comp clone and the WES ng-BusComp. Aren't they somewhat a double ? Maybe if you have the old dbx "gold cans" into the DIY clone they are "different" enough, but using same modern THAT chips, aren't they too similar bus comps? Asking cause i looking for an used Wes and seems it sports classic SSL glue with modern features.

[@miquelmarti6537]

The SSL controller didn't work well with Reaper. Hopefully the Nektar does. Then I'll buy.

[@kevinlentz7604]

I’m assuming you gave up on SSL

[@falesch]

Any controller I buy must be used in my studio as well as for live performance. It appears that the rotatables are pots and not continuous controllers. Is this the case?

[@velanche]

Continuous.

[@SlivB]

THX!! great vid. your video made me turn. I just bought mine ( sold my x one touch ) and I have to say it's great, works great, looks great. the plastic is no problem, feels sturdy and as an amateur I feel like a pro now. I try to learn Logic and this helps although with Logic there is of course a learning curve. Coming from Garageband I had to try it with that daw also... it works great on Garageband. And no... surely not all functions but nice enough to speed up that workflow also . fader works, smart controls work ( use the channel and send button ) , plugins don't work, etc. but since it will work so much better on LP I will make the step. though mine didn't came with the nail polish. (lol) Grtz from NL

[@dantesdjay2068]

i want them to take my money too….but do they have plans to support cubase ?

[@DerekPower]

*waits patiently in Cubase* 😉

[@johnyork3516]

I will buy it as soon as possible and test it, thanks! I've been waiting for this for a long time.👍

[@unc1589]

Release date late May early June.

[@noelrule]

Ik vind 't wel een interessante. Toch doe ik liever alles met snelkoppelingen en met m'n muis. Maar toch interessant... Je zou 't eigenlijk, net als de meeste plugins, moeten kunnen proberen. :)

[@JustMamba]

Colors aren't the way to go, coming from someone whose colorblind. Im glad you let me know that before i checked it out. Thanks.

[@5adb0i]

This is amazing! Looking forward to more DAW support because wow this looks amazing!!

[@electriccarsandvans]

hope they will make it work with Studio One as i know that DAW backwards and don't want to change.

[@crazygooner3398]

Great product! Great video!

[@johanolofandersson8801]

Best DAW controller is still a keyboard and a nice gaming mouse set to full speed.

[@Xylume]

I use a G13 and G600 MMO combo.

[@ThePhiCode]

I’ve never had a complaint about any controller because it was plastic, and the price is great 👌

[@niklassandren5183]

Can you run this with ssl uf 8?

[@timshadgett]

How did you connect those ssl controllers together?

[@Whiteseastudio]

3D printing

[@timshadgett]

@@Whiteseastudio Cool! Any chance to share the model?

[@Whiteseastudio]

Its not really perfect yet

[@kevinlentz7604]

Did you give up on SSL

[@oceanix1929]

Since when you use Logic?

[@timoheinrich8763]

He used to before he switched to Reaper. But he's not actively using it anymore. It was only for this video. (As far as I know of course.)

[@theswedishmusicstudio]

I use a Fighter Twister from DJ Techtools in combination with a Faderport. Takes seconds to map plugins to midi controllers in studio one. ;)

[@braunhausmedia]

If this puts out CC commands, you should be able to program it in Reaper to do anything you want via the action menu. No need to wait for the company to get around to it.

[@ThisisRends]

The CS12 has a much higher resolution than Midi

[@delmixedit]

Pro Tools his had glide automation forever. It’s exactly what your talking about with it not writing all the little points is it’s just a simple point to point parameter change.

[@bloodswarms]

"Currently only Logic is supported..." -closes video-

[@TheoYoungMusic]

Thanks Wytse! And love the nails!

[@Mista808]

I see a video of you saying "TAKE MY MONEY!" and I click it as fast as possible. That's all.

[@dnashofficial]

i'm waiting on reaper integration too. i bought into the control 1 ecosystem, and it was actually a massive workflow killer, and the advent of the mkIII system made it even worse for us in the mkII world. i had high hopes for it, but CS12 looks to be everything i'd hoped i'd have gotten with console 1. i already have other nektar units, and they're awesome.

[@willtaylor8207]

Seems cool, but I don't trust Nektar as I have their 49 key midi controller and it's basically useless with Nuendo.

[@emphatic001]

Looks great, will probably get one when Reason is supported.

[@jakehendriksen2841]

The only glowing review I've ever seen from my favorite audio skeptic... Take my money, indeed!

[@Danijel.Juraga]

Asparion review please ❤

[@Pummelfay]

I wish this wasnt out of stock everywhere lol

[@christopher-miles]

i don't care what the comments say; this was still more watchable than unfrosted.

[@Bashanvibe]

I saw this on NAAM YT!!!! I’m so going to buy this!!!!

[@MDHeleniak]

Single point as an optional way to fade, yes. As the only way to fade, no!

[@Whiteseastudio]

It is optional

[@dravokivich]

Heya! When doing reviews of the other controllers, can you please talk about using plugins that aren't tied to the manufacturer. It's been something that I've always been keen to look into, but as a hobbyist, I can't go through everyone to see how adaptable they are. Cheers!

[@mygoogle1525]

Wosh it was conpatible with Apple's Mainstage3

[@steffenhenriksen1412]

If only there was a version for Ableton

[@ClintMoody]

I’ve been waiting on this for a long time

[@5amJones69]

Really hoping for it to be working with cubase in the future. Steinberg are missing a beat. The cubase users are really wanting a new controller since the much loved CC121.

[@TropicIslandMusic]

Liking the features for the price 👍🏽

[@djvidual8288]

This looks nice

[@BriceDeRon]

Hello W..... hope your well, I so agree with you and cannot wait for the Cubase plugin to come, happy production

[@quirijnfoeken7520]

I bought a second hand Behringer X Touch One with a script for Cubase someone posted on the Steinberg forums. That works perfectly and cost me 100 euro. Is it cheap plastic? Yes. Is it kinda ugly? Yes. Does it work? O yes. Does it have 2 USB ports for my keys and iLok? O hell yes.

[@tekrahmuzik777]

Being waiting for the Reaper integration...

[@anonymousbrowser4448]

i remapped my console 1 on reaper with relearn, looks even better imo

[@gazmellen7881]

please do a report on MP Midi Controller

[@Kommentar_Roboter]

There's no mistaking that you like colors ;)

[@eliaszerano3510]

you now use Logic ? I thought you are e Reaper guy ?

[@AndrewCCM]

I am STILL over a year later, trying to force myself to use my SSL controller(s) more... Sigh

[@slamcraft]

YOu rock, love your videos and enjoy your flow.