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@beverleymason9038Ай бұрын
@@DrWholeness thank you very much Dr Matt.
@marketinginternational2738 Жыл бұрын
My ferritin stays low but if I take Iron then my mouth taste salty. So I realized that Iron is not my problem but unconjugated biliruben in my liver. So my liver does not covert T4 and T3. Thus I took thyroid meds and all my problems cured itself. My ferriten is now normal aswell as my prior estrogen doninance that I had. So my problem was my liver and not Iron and the symptoms sometimes disguise igself but I took milk thistle to help my liver and my hypothyroidism vanished as the symptom of anemia had a result of hypothyroidism but the root of all evil was actually my fatty and sluggish liver that messed my periods and heavy bleading, which on its turn caused an anemia symptom aswell a hypothyroid issue. So what I learned about my own body is to never treat the symptom but to back track the issues and to find first the root of all evil, my careless diet and fatty liver. Now I sauna 3x a week to detox my fatty liver and I care for my body with grass fed meat and healty salads a d veggies plus olive oil lots of and coconut plus lard. God bless.....from 55yr old peri menopausal woman with 4x kids.
@DrWholeness Жыл бұрын
YES! That is awesome! Curing the fatty liver is a game changer.
@DrWholeness Жыл бұрын
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@CarisaRae6 ай бұрын
Wow! So interesting! You should share your story ok KZbin! I'd subscribe :) Have you tried fasting or gaps to help heal the fatty liver. I wonder if that's my issue.
@jaimiemainberger50392 ай бұрын
This sounds exactly like me, I have anaemia low ferritin, but my haemoglobin is starting to rise nicely, but I can’t seem to get my Iron to budge. I am sleepy all the time and my eyes spasm a lot. I have heavy periods as well and have been diagnosed with hypothyroidism. What did you specifically start taking for your thyroid and did you detox your liver there any type of supplements?
@KiraPre-debutDiaries2 жыл бұрын
Hey Dr, I have a 16 ferritin. how much should i take per day? And what time & how can i maximize absorbtion? like with meal or in the morning?🥰really need my thick hair back! thank you
@DrWholeness2 жыл бұрын
Generally we do two capsule for ferritin under 20. Ideal absorption occurs in morning, away from dairy, coffee, tea. 🙌🏼
@ashtenhalee4680 Жыл бұрын
I am ordering. I am at a 4 and all of my other iron biomarkers are not within optimal range. I have been taking a liquid iron from a health foods store for over a year, and I have insane tiredness, brain fog, etc. I also workout 5 days a week and eat a healthy diet so the only thing I can think of that is making me feel this was is the iron. This also makes sense because during menstruation my symptoms are even WORSE 😭
@DrWholeness Жыл бұрын
Wow. Optimizing your iron should be a game changer for you! drwholeness.myshopify.com/products/blood-vitality-1
@Sirie7206 Жыл бұрын
Girl, I’m in the same boat. I don’t want to take iron supplements anymore. I stopped a year and a half ago. My ferritin is still low.
@81redddd8 ай бұрын
I’ve just recently started taking beef liver supplements and I feel like I burn through them after only a couple of hours, it’s like it’s not being fully absorbed.
@callalilly4022 жыл бұрын
Hi Dr. Matt, I'm having a very hard time absorbing Iron...been struggling with this for years, my doctor wants me to have another iron infusion but that is my very last resort. Could you Please tell me where I can purchase the Blood Vitality Iron Supplement? I'm in Ontario, Canada
@DrWholeness2 жыл бұрын
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@callalilly4022 жыл бұрын
Thank You so much for the rapid response.
@callalilly4022 жыл бұрын
Hi Dr. Angove, I've been taking your Iron Supplement for about 3 weeks and just did blood work My lab results went from 70 to 3 Should I be conserned?
@DrWholeness2 жыл бұрын
@@callalilly402 in a 3 week time frame your ferritin went from 70 to 3 while taking BV? I would get your labs rechecked. Unless you are having extreme blood loss during that time frame, you are not going to have that kind of change. The other thing would be if you had an infection or other trauma increasing your inflammatory state when you had the ferritin of 70. Then it would be possible to see your ferritin go from 70 to 3 but the 70 would not have been from adequate iron stores it would have been from inflammation.
@callalilly4022 жыл бұрын
@@DrWholeness Thank You so much for getting back to me. I'm not understanding that hudge drop either, I haven't had any blood loss or infection so I'm gonna assume the lab results are not accurate. My docter wasn't concerned about my lab results they never even called to give me my results I had to bug them for the results. Should I be conserned and go have it re done ?
@RoshanRathna-zq2go11 ай бұрын
My mom is 54 years old. Her wbc is 8300, rbc is 4.5, hb is 7.2, ferritin is 2.3, platelet is normal. What may be the reason for her low levels of hb, ferritin and mcv values doc? Kindly address this sir.
@elisabyler34212 ай бұрын
Do you have any insight about why my ferritin is low but my iron saturation is high? It seems like a contradiction.
@TheMissySue2 жыл бұрын
just ordered mine!! ferritins 11 and i’m 12 weeks pregnant, cardiologist wants it at 100!! i’m so dizzy and tachy! hoping for relief 🙏🏼
@DrWholeness2 жыл бұрын
Yes, you definitely relief. Being pregnant is already intense enough, then to deal with low iron on top of it. Let us know how you do.
@naturallyteeb76982 жыл бұрын
Missy Sue may I ask how it’s going with the supplements? My ferritin is at 14 and I feel horrible
@claudia44522 жыл бұрын
@Missy Sue can I ask how you're feeling?
@TheMissySue11 ай бұрын
@@naturallyteeb7698it raised my hg from 11 to 16 and iron from 50 to 237. Ferritin is still 14 but I believe from cofactors / gut issues
@sodamncutestud2 Жыл бұрын
I got my Ferritin up 20 points in one month. From 10 to 30 using carbonyl iron.
@honeymilk41608 ай бұрын
What brand?
@sodamncutestud28 ай бұрын
@@honeymilk4160 ez melts. But now, I advise against taking iron. My ferritin did go up, but I actually got much much much sicker and became bedridden.
@CarisaRae6 ай бұрын
@@sodamncutestud2 wait, bedridden from what??? Ferritin too high?
@sodamncutestud26 ай бұрын
@@CarisaRae histamine. Mcas. My gut was already jacked up and iron supplements bad it unbearable
@chell40562 жыл бұрын
Within the past 4 days I had my ferritin checked. It was at 19 (Nov 16) compared to a 4 in July. My iron is at 89 ug/dl, and iron saturation is at 25%. Before my MCV was low. In July it was at 72 but has increased to 90. My RBC and RDW were high in the previous months too but with my recent check up they are within normal range. I recently started taking blood vitality within the past like 17 days. I know the recommended dose says 2-3 daily. Is it okay if I take 2 at once in the morning. Because that's what I've been doing. I also have had crazy hair loss. But my dizziness still comes and goes as well as headaches and palpitations.
@DrWholeness2 жыл бұрын
Yes, you can take them at the same time.
@jessicaargon222 жыл бұрын
I ordered blood vitality. My iron serum is 165 and ferritin is 19. Will this make the iron serum go up, too or just the ferritin. My goal is to increase ferritin and decrease iron serum.
@DrWholeness2 жыл бұрын
Often with using the supportive minerals, like in Blood Vitality along with iron, rather than mega dosing with iron people will not get the super high serum iron or iron saturation levels but see their ferritin come up. Let us know how it goes.
@jessicaargon222 жыл бұрын
@@DrWholeness Thank you! I don’t take any iron. So I am not sure why my iron serum is high 🤷♀️
@yessaa.3728 Жыл бұрын
Question ✋ I just came across your videos and am hoping to see my ferritin go up. I just ordered Blood Vitality in hopes that this is the solutions. I don't want any more iron infusions. My question: I take thyroid meds first thing in the morning. So when should I take the Blood Vitality?? My ferritin is at 10 as of last week. 😅 Much better than 0.09 from a year ago.
@Sirie7206 Жыл бұрын
Mine’s sitting at 12 right now.
@Lizzystotta2 жыл бұрын
I had heart palpitations dizziness and panic attack they told me my ferritin is normal which it’s not it’s at 26 I just started 25mg of Thorne iron glysinate I hope it works I’m so tired
@DrWholeness2 жыл бұрын
All the best. Let us know how it goes.
@sunilkumarhiremath7305Ай бұрын
Hope your iron supplement solved your heart palpitations .. am also facing same problem .. is it works?
@alainaconley57272 жыл бұрын
My ferritin is 7 and I literally feel like dying. I’ve been taking iron supplements for months with no improvement. No constipation, but crazy diarrhea. HELP.
@DrWholeness2 жыл бұрын
Look at switching the type of iron you use. Also look at using fermented food or probiotics along with your iron dosing. www.optimizeiron.com
@brooke01302 жыл бұрын
Have you tried an iron infusion? I had to get one because I took supplements for years and it did nothing. My infusion lasted 6 months. Wish it would have been longer but so thankful I was me again and feeling good.
@chrismyers9951Ай бұрын
COPPER is the answer ! Check out Morley Robbins. Also ceruloplasmin blood test. Also take iron with vit C. Also stay away from tannins.
@riverascourtesy5 Жыл бұрын
What supplement are you recommending?
@DrWholeness Жыл бұрын
Hi Jose, you can check out www.optimizeiron.com
@riverascourtesy5 Жыл бұрын
@@DrWholeness thanks! Have you heard of the possibility of a Reverse Osmosis water causing low ferritin levels?
@DrWholeness Жыл бұрын
@@riverascourtesy5 low iron in the water yes, as it removes 99+% of iron from water but low iron in the human body I have not.
@nistha274 ай бұрын
Hello Doctor, 11 weeks back my ferritin was 2, and now it is 12. I know it can improve faster. Which iron supplement do you recommend? I have been on Maltofer 100mg on alternate days till now. My hb went from 6.5 to 10.2. I am in EU region so it's hard to get your product here.
@DrWholeness4 ай бұрын
My go to is Blood Vitality drwholeness.myshopify.com/products/blood-vitality-1
@claudia44522 жыл бұрын
Hi Dr. Matt, I was diagnosed with Iron deficiency Anemia in March 2022. I've been supplementing iron since. My Ferritin levels went up from a 4 to most recently an 18. I had every symptoms possible but still very fatigued/ sleepy, lightheaded and get strange brain sensations. My question is if it's normal for iron levels to go up this slow could it be the supplement I'm on (Thorne Iron) should I consider switching to blood vitality or give it more time?
@DrWholeness2 жыл бұрын
I used to use iron bisglycinate like is in Thorne but had such terrible results with patients and family members. Which is what lead me to creating Blood Vitality. drwholeness.myshopify.com/collections/nutritional-supplements/products/blood-vitality-1
@wendypetersen7529 Жыл бұрын
My husband has this problem. They give him regular transfusions but it's still not a fix.
@jesssays4487 ай бұрын
How did he do with transfusions? I'm starting them Monday and I'm terrified it won't work. I'm on 2 years of dealing with this
@beverleymason9038Ай бұрын
Which one works then, Dr, as doctors are still prescribing ferrous fumarate. I have a bottle of ferrous gluconate tablets and have no idea whether to take them or not due to the conflicting advice between various doctors on here.
@DrWholenessАй бұрын
@@beverleymason9038 what I have found most effective in my practice is Blood Vitality. Www.bloodvitality.com
@hudamohamed68102 жыл бұрын
A month ago my ferritin was 14, I took an iron supplement of 17mg daily, today my test showed 11. What could be the issue, since the supplement wasnt high dose? The doc told me to continue taking the supp, and come back 3 months later. Would you advice me an iron infusion?
@DrWholeness2 жыл бұрын
Check out www.optimizeiron.com to get you on the best path. ideally you would want to try not to get an iron infusion.
@arielb72042 жыл бұрын
Would these pills make a difference if I’m already taking a quality prenatal (Seeking Health) that already has these other nutrients, and taking iron? Very frustrated watching my ferritin stay low and/or go lower!
@DrWholeness2 жыл бұрын
The housing of the iron within the rice protein matrix is a game changer. If iron is going down on current supps then yes it is worth trying a different route like Blood Vitality, be sure to take away from your prenatal. We often use SH prenatal with BV with good results.
@arielb72042 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!
@Kathy_Wray8810 ай бұрын
I take Slow Fe 45mg. iron tablets. My ferritin level won't go up more than 36. What are optimal levels?
@DrWholeness10 ай бұрын
Check out www.optimizeiron.com
@Yellow-oc4sl4 ай бұрын
I have low iron especially that time of the month im also in perimenapause , i do however take a gummy iron vitmin with b12 and bs and zinc the iron is ferrous fulcamate, i can not take ferrous sulfate over the counter im allergic to it it almost hade go to the er reaction to that , i also have ibs , but i do eat meats , i have been told when i was prego to eat more greens including after i had baby , like collard or spinach it was low but not dangerous low , i have been struggling with low iron , i also found out im low in vit d too , both vit gummys and daily value , however i dont take magnesium i mostly try to get vit from foods I dont take birthcontrol i have been thinking about it to lighten my periods and help with the decrease of my hormones brainfog i dont like nor hot flahes nor night sweats either , i do take an anxiety med, i dont do cow milk im allergic to that food allergy , im just been trying to get my iron back up its been low , how can you absorb more iron into your body besides all this , they are messing with our foods , and taking vit supplements for to long is not good for you , any suggestions would help thank you for listening.
@YinandYangMediumGirl3 жыл бұрын
So what is the product called? Is ferrous fumarate ok to take, 18mg a day. Low enough to avoid side effects?
@DrWholeness3 жыл бұрын
Whole protein chelated iron is easily the most efficient and side effect free iron supplement I have used over 11 years of practice. drwholeness.myshopify.com/collections/nutritional-supplements/products/blood-vitality-1
@DrWholeness3 жыл бұрын
Side effects are much more related to The type of iron versus just the amount of iron. I would expect side effects from ferrous fumarate.
@markczarny70883 жыл бұрын
Ferrinject but losing blood just depletes it took 10 months diagnosis g a v e watermelon stomach hopefully treated using Argon gas fingers crossed
@bobjpgr36832 жыл бұрын
I have a low ferritin level. What I’ve read online it says it could be. When do you worry about a low ferritin level.
@DrWholeness2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t worry about it but if you have low ferritin symptoms you might want to see how life if when your ferritin level is optimal.
@bobjpgr36832 жыл бұрын
@@DrWholeness Thank you for the fast response.
@trailmomma Жыл бұрын
I am about to purchase ... consistently low ferritin for years (at a 9 right now) but I am an ultra runner who has celiac and is also starting perimenopause .. 1 pill daily to start okay? Iron is normal. Everything else is normal. Only ferritin is low.
@livewithlizessence42992 жыл бұрын
can i take iron supplements with blood vitality???
@DrWholeness2 жыл бұрын
You shouldn't need to, as there is iron in Blood Vitality. drwholeness.myshopify.com/collections/nutritional-supplements/products/blood-vitality-1
@livewithlizessence42992 жыл бұрын
my hemoglobin is the issue. its at a 5 and i need to get it higher. Blood Vitality came in the mail yesterday. will this help with hemoglobin. last question (i promise) lol
@DrWholeness2 жыл бұрын
@@livewithlizessence4299 yes.
@pjprevite3021 Жыл бұрын
Low ferritin in men? I have all these symptoms and ive had heartburn on and off for years and wonder if i dont have enough stomach acid to absorb iron all that well
@DrWholeness Жыл бұрын
Reflux disease can definitely be an issue for iron or B12 deficiency. Get your levels checked.
@vanessamarie13772 жыл бұрын
I just ordered your pills because my ferritin is at 4 even after supplementing with slow release iron for months and iron dangerously low. I told my doctor that an iron infusion would be my ultimate last resort. I have a question, your pills seem to be formulated for a man’s upper limit for all included nutrients. I’ve noticed you’re telling people, especially women, to take two of your supplements a day if they are deficient. My question is, is that safe? That would put me at the twice recommended dose of vitamin c, thiamin, ect for a man! Thank you.
@DrWholeness2 жыл бұрын
Remember the RDA (recommend daily allowance) is the least amount of nutrient needed daily to not end up with a disease related to a deficiency of that nutrient. Whereas the UL (tolerable upper limit), the maximum dose in the general population that would cause adverse side effects is not knowing for vitamin B1 or vitamin C. As far as we know there is not one. I don’t foresee anyone running into issues with B1 or vit C male or female. Also, consider that if a person took 2 capsules Blood Vitality they would be taking 2x the RDA as well go iron. But very can take only the RDA and see there symptoms relieved. I hope this helps. Let us know how it goes for you 👍🏻
@vanessamarie13772 жыл бұрын
@@DrWholeness Thank you for the fast response! I will take the pills and redo labs in a month and update.
@ooooGORGEOUSoooo2 жыл бұрын
@@vanessamarie1377 Hi Vanessa, any improvements?
@teethree1418 ай бұрын
can I take your supplement if my ferritin is low but iron is normal?
@Gdi666 Жыл бұрын
Amazing, but how can I purchase the supplement to Spain? If it's not possible what would you suggest to take? Please help!
@DrWholeness Жыл бұрын
Yes you may. drwholeness.myshopify.com/products/blood-vitality-1
@andreacollalvarez69474 ай бұрын
te funcióno??
@raya74 Жыл бұрын
My ferritin is 22 consistently is that low? Can i get the link to order if thats low
@DrWholeness Жыл бұрын
Check out: Www.bloodvitality.com
@lashondahursey61162 жыл бұрын
Ferritin 24.. and hemoglobin is 13.9.. I don't feel right..aches pains tired..I also have ibs Constipation and heavy cycles
@DrWholeness2 жыл бұрын
Thyroid?
@lashondahursey61162 жыл бұрын
@@DrWholeness no they sayI had hyperthyroidism but have been off meds for a few years
@nektariafilh20972 жыл бұрын
Can Antral gastritis and hiatal hernia cause low ferritin
@DrWholeness2 жыл бұрын
Any inflammation in the gut can lead to low ferritin.
@Bhargavik-o6x Жыл бұрын
My ferritin level is 8 (Low) and my iron saturation is 7(low) and my hemoglobin is 12(normal) and my tibc is 455(high) , so how could i overcome iron deficiency.
@DrWholeness Жыл бұрын
Aim to find the source. Www.bloodvitality.com
@Bhargavik-o6x Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the quick reply.
@Bhargavik-o6x Жыл бұрын
Is there any problem of the pregnant women at this level of iron deficiency at first timester
@DrWholeness Жыл бұрын
@@Bhargavik-o6x definitely ideal to get Ferritin up now as blood volume will increase significantly in third trimester.
@altmuligmannen30862 жыл бұрын
I absolutely hate it when I'm tricked into watching something that turns out to be a commercial in disguise...
@DrWholeness2 жыл бұрын
The right packaging for iron makes all the difference.
@chrismyers9951Ай бұрын
You can only understand iron if you look into copper. VERY important.
@DrWholenessАй бұрын
@@chrismyers9951 thanks for watching. No mineral stands on its own 👍🏼
@courtneymata Жыл бұрын
My new Ferrtin reading is 4.5 and my doctor thinks it's "slightly lower" like it's not a huge deal. I need help with this ASAP. I'm going to purchase today. It's been this way for years and I'm sure if it went up to normal I would feel so much better.
@DrWholeness Жыл бұрын
Ahh for sure! Let us know how you do.
@courtneymata Жыл бұрын
I ordered 2 bottles, I'll keep you posted in 2 months for my next reading.
@Sirie7206 Жыл бұрын
@@courtneymatahow’s it going?
@naghmehmoshkelani32238 ай бұрын
What is the solution? I Didn’t understand what should I do ?
@DrWholeness8 ай бұрын
Check out www.optimizeiron.com
@amywilson92312 жыл бұрын
Hey! doctor. My ferritin was 23 and I felt so weak and experienced lots of hairfall. I was a vegetarian just switched to non-veg. for this. My vitamin d is also very low. I was supplementing on both for more than 4 months now. Didn't see much improvement. I am taking ferrous bi glycinate 21mg which also has 40mg vit C some Zinc, folic acid and vit b12 daily. And vit d 60,000 IU a week. Also taking lots of sunlight. It's been years and years for me experiencing hairfall. I hope it will show some results in the coming few months. I also got underweight and now just gain 3 kilos. I am very skinny for 5'7" women. I'm 22.
@DrWholeness2 жыл бұрын
Have you tried Blood Vitality? It is my go to. Www.optimizeiron.com
@amywilson92312 жыл бұрын
@@DrWholeness is the delivery available in India?
@ayesha0773 жыл бұрын
Hey Dr, I am pregnant and I have been deficient in iron and ferritin throughout my life. I have tried many iron supplements in various forms but they had only raised my hb and iron but my ferritin never went up. what's the reason for not increasing ferritin, why ferritin is so stubborn in my case.any suggestions. I really need to raise while pregnant. my liver enzymes are also with in normal range.
@DrWholeness3 жыл бұрын
May want to see if Blood Vitality makes a difference. Www.optimizeiron.com
@anshika3762 Жыл бұрын
I have mucus deasese every week so never absorption of Iron
@sfn-life3 ай бұрын
Two questions - why would it be better than IV iron? And....did you check your wife for Copper deficiency? It is often overlooked and Cu deficiency can cause a whole host of things including low ferritin and dysfunctional iron metabolism....
@DrWholeness3 ай бұрын
Yes. 👍🏼 and Blood Vitality contains copper as well.
@luce7180 Жыл бұрын
Did anyone try this supplement? Did it help?
@DrWholeness Жыл бұрын
You can read peoples experiences at the bottom of this link. drwholeness.myshopify.com/collections/nutritional-supplements/products/blood-vitality-1
@luce7180 Жыл бұрын
My ferritin was 5 so i need to take 3 pills? The bottle has 30 pills, so it will only last 10 days?
@brooke01303 жыл бұрын
Hi! Just ordered your recommended iron pills. I really hope they work. I am scheduled for an iron infusion in about 30 days. Thought I would give this a try first. My ferritin is at 11 right now.
@DrWholeness3 жыл бұрын
Two a day should do the trick 👍🏻 to get moving that ferritin up.
@aichach33113 жыл бұрын
Did you get good results?
@Yourstruly4.02 жыл бұрын
My ferritin level is at 11. Has this suppliment helped??
@itsagoodday21652 жыл бұрын
Did it help?
@brooke01302 жыл бұрын
@@itsagoodday2165 I tried it for a month but only brought my numbers to 16. I went for the infusion and it lasted 6 months. I will be going in for another infusion. I have been having horrible symptoms with my iron low. Of course fatigue, but so many many more.
@douggrant343111 ай бұрын
U didn’t say how
@janmartell97926 ай бұрын
I cannot afford your formula. I need two tor three capsules a day
@unknownhollow4141 Жыл бұрын
This advertisement is a waste of time.
@DrWholeness Жыл бұрын
Not if you have iron issues. Could completely change one’s life.
@curlyandstrong67984 ай бұрын
There's no way this is a waste of time. I have been iron deficient for over 14 years.
@petergriffin41678 ай бұрын
Well that's 6.11 minutes of my life I'll never get back......
@DrWholeness8 ай бұрын
was it helpful?
@QuantumOfSolace12 жыл бұрын
I just added Ferritin for over a month and I noticed not one change!
@DrWholeness2 жыл бұрын
What type of iron were you using?
@renevanwyk47752 жыл бұрын
You can't take ferritin. Ferritin is a protein. You take iron.
@lashondahursey6116 Жыл бұрын
What were you using
@SuperCelliott5 ай бұрын
My doctor has me take my iron medication every other day with an orange. Don’t take it with any other foods
@DrWholeness5 ай бұрын
www.optimizeiron.com
@CarisaRae6 ай бұрын
Soo.....
@Zebragal0911 Жыл бұрын
Is a ferritin level of 23 still on the lower end?
@DrWholeness Жыл бұрын
It is.
@petergriffin41678 ай бұрын
Not really.
@BrancaaliceАй бұрын
It hard watch video that dont go the point, just go around around, views dont have much time.
@DrWholenessАй бұрын
What are you looking for specifically?
@ashsharma31692 ай бұрын
He never said what to take ti increase the ferritin! lol!
@bhingsipepaciente Жыл бұрын
❤❤
@aichach33113 жыл бұрын
all the websites that i found do not support the shipping to my country algeria,and my ferritin is 20, i lost 50% of my hair and now i am 21 i can't enjoy my youth😞
@DrWholeness3 жыл бұрын
I will see what can make happen for you. Totally understand where you are coming from, with symptoms like that.
@aichach33113 жыл бұрын
@@DrWholeness But I can't find your product, it's no longer available on Amazon