Taking a Mix from Stereo to DOLBY ATMOS - Dolby Atmos Masterclass Ep. 4 | ADAM Audio

[@anupkoshy9545]

Its a really nice walkthrough. This'll definitely help when i too start mixing in atmos. Thanks adam audio

[@ADAMAudioBerlin]

We're so happy you enjoyed it, Anup, thanks for watching!

[@yazaih8515]

THE BEST VIDEO IVE SEEN SO FAR EXPLAINING HOW TO USE DOLBY ATMOS! THANK YOU

[@ADAMAudioBerlin]

Thanks for watching!

[@esonicsound]

Hi Rob, could you please explain what happens to any Busses that you had on the original stereo mix like Drum Buss, Vocals, Guitars, etc when doing an Atmos mix that is coming from a stereo mix? Thank you.

[@Soundofjoy]

I'm a new user of Dolby Atmos and this video will help my learning curve immensely. New subscriber.

[@amdenis]

We use Pro Tools with ATMOS, but have moved to and now use Reaper on Dante / Revenna whenever possible. Thankfully, that’s 95% of the time. Such a better workflow, and so many new production options.

[@ADAMAudioBerlin]

We hope this in-depth tutorial helps bring all of our last episodes together, letting you see the full workflow of a mix going from stereo to Dolby Atmos. Be sure to check out the original mixing tutorial we did for this song as well!

[@samuelrosario6509]

Thank you! Can you monitor the Dolby Atmos Renderer to play out of a surround format without the height speakers? I can't change room setup in my renderer to play out of my RME Fireface 8.1 setup

[@onairrecordings]

Studio one just native so i guess loads of us gonna be hunting for how too! Top man thanks this helped alot!

[@zaharishtonov]

Thanks Rob & ADAM Audio for this presentation! It was eye opening to see how the mix is configured. Keep making more videos on this topic! Cheers!

[@ADAMAudioBerlin]

Thank you for your kind feedback, Zahari 🙏 Have a great day!

[@captsalimachagla9278]

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[@captsalimachagla9278]

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[@eBell05]

Rob, I was really hoping you were going to address the mix bus chain and mastering issue a bit more than you did in this video. Will you post a video where you show us some solutions? I feel like bus processing and also bouncing the deliverable are important aspects to show us in order to demonstrate the "full workflow of a mix going to Dolby Atmos"

[@svarogstudio]

Exactly. I'm now trying to do an atmos mix for an already mixed track, and my bus processing impacts the sound a lot. Once you start turning tracks into objects or sending them to surround bed, they bypass the bus they were previously going into and the whole mix falls apart.

[@dazg7106]

Thanks for taking the time to give a great run through. This gives a really good insight in to the power of Atmos and how it can bring to life the music, all while keeping to the original intent of the recordings.

[@ADAMAudioBerlin]

Hi daz! Thank you so much for watching!

[@tanmoydas6357]

was just waiting for these kinda stufff thanks ADAM AUDIO

[@ADAMAudioBerlin]

Thanks for tuning in!

[@willarasmith4893]

This is all great. I just wish everything wasn’t so expensive. Even listening to Atmos requires a subscription…and an expensive one at that. A lot of this music won’t get heard in this format simply because people can’t afford it. To this day, I STILL haven’t heard anything in Atmos (theater or otherwise), other than “demos” on headphones that’s not even the actual thing, simply because I can’t afford the service and there are ZERO theaters nearby where I live that offer it. Dolby really needs to make this more available/ affordable if they really want this format to be a replacement.

[@citizenworld8094]

Emphasis must be on binaural. Folk won't spend money on expansive gear.

[@studiovinden]

I've just upgraded my existing stereo mix room to Atmos for $1000 and I don't feel I've compromised in any serious way. It definitely takes some thought, experience and ingenuity but in terms of music production cost, I wouldn't call that expensive. I won't go so far as calling the subscription being expensive, as music is worth a lot to me, certainly the $25 I pay Tidal for a family account including Atmos. That said, I think you're right on the money about Dolby not being very customer friendly, the fact that you even need a different subscription to access Atmos is really strange to me if they really want to push the format. 🤔 Also, providing Atmos mixes to streaming services is more expensive than stereo, it's like they don't really want to push it too fast. I don't think the binaural mixes are very good (yet?) and that is my biggest concern, people need to like the format to adopt it and currently stereo sounds better to me (YMMV), 9 out of 10 times. If people heard the mixes in a speaker setup thought, I guarantee that they'd love it. So here's a really crazy guess, what if Dolby is aware of all this and are actually putting on the brakes so that consumer gear like AVR's and soundbars improve as well as developing the binaural algorithms and/or allowing for the mix engineers to learn how to make the format sound good. Full speculation from my side but I don't understand the lay of the land either. ✌️

[@davefilchakmusic]

So I am just a bit confused regarding the panner interface you use in the video, and have seen in other videos. where is this accessed. The only panner I see is the Dolby Music Panner and it seems like the one you are using is more useful? What am I missing?

[@IasonOfficial]

This is insane! Definitely wanna introduce this to my shii

[@ADAMAudioBerlin]

Thanks for watching 👍

[@benniknop]

Anyone else loving the fact that he's representing ADAM Audio but doing a Dolby Atmos mix on Yamaha Monitors?

[@inspiredrecording]

I truly enjoyed this, well done I now know fully how to go about doing my Atmos mixing.

[@antonylepage]

Very instructive! I know that what we are hearing now is not the full 7.1.4 he has. However, is it current binarual or simply a stereo reflection? I was wondering if what I was hearing through my headphone was just pure stereo or still had some spatial aspect to it. Im guessing it was merely stereo as I understand that youtube would need a renderer codec embeded but still a bit confused about some aspect of this technology.

[@gavinmanthe8781]

This is just brilliant! It's exactly what I want to do in my own studio!

[@ADAMAudioBerlin]

Thanks for watching, Gavin!

[@MarkAllentheProducer]

Great insight...the future is looking awesome for audio

[@cornerliston]

What about the other way around? I understand that all Netflix content is mixed to Atmos. But what about the stereo mix that the vast majority use when watching and listening to that Atmos mix on a regular two channel setup? I often hear severe phase issues in the sound when watching Netflix (and HBO) so my guess is that there are some sort of ‘imploding’ back to LR being done in real time in the streaming?

[@TrueFallacy]

This is awesome, thank you!

[@svarogstudio]

Great class, thank you. I do wonder if we can get more explanation on how to use busses and submixes while mixing in atmos. Most, if not all of us mixing use a lot of busses to group drums, guitars etc... and for me they impact the sound in a big way. In atmos the objects go directly to the renderer, and so do the bed tracks, so remixing an already finished track for atmos is kind of a nightmare.

[@ADAMAudioBerlin]

Hi Svarog! Thanks for your input ! We will have more Dolby Atmos content coming soon where you will find more information. Stay tuned ;)

[@romancastor951]

Rob extraordinario la master class, muchas felicidades!!! Increible, sigue haciendo estos videos. muy bien explicados, Dios te bendice. Saludos desde la Ciudad de México

[@studiovinden]

Very cool video, great all-rounder! 👍

[@rishadmusthafa4695]

Thanks a lot for the detailed walkthrough, Rob & Adam Team ! But what about the LFE Channel ? Why he left it alone with no inputs ? and also we can deliver the final master from 'Dolby Atmos Production Suite' Right ? Cerl Thomas said that during his webinar's Q&A in Dolby's youtube channel !

[@ADAMAudioBerlin]

Hi Rishad, thank you for watching! This was a broad overview of how to use Dolby Atmos, but we can look at doing a future video with Rob on a more detailed look at how to use each channel like LFE channels etc. And the delivery question may be a recent update, and we'll check on that as well!

[@rishadmusthafa4695]

Alright ! Please do more videos:)

[@rastAsia]

Highly informative. Thanks for sharing this!

[@ImmersiveAudioMixer]

I don't really understand what is said at the end regarding final export formats. AFAIK, the expected export format is ADM and both Production and Mastering suite can provide it. As for "mastering" I'd be curious to know which EQ/Compression/Limiting tools are able to process an Atmos file as a whole :-) I'd love a video on the mastering of this track for instance (which is great and greatly mixed by the way)

[@amdenis]

You do a better job compared to anyone I have heard with the ATMOS for music process. Great video- thanks! I’ve listened to a lot of ATMOS music on my ATMOS (KII monitors) in the studio and in my Klipsch monitor based ATMOS home theater. I find it almost immediately fatiguing and a totally fake, video game like experience. All I want is a real sounding experience with all the dynamic range, imaging and normal sounding phase and related information. ATMOS IS NOT THAT!

[@ADAMAudioBerlin]

Thank you for watching, Andrew!

[@assistantassistant5516]

That was really helpful - Thanks so much for that.

[@kirkegodfrey414]

Now that LOGICX has Atmos built in, it might be worth considering as an option.

[@MilanRadonjic-pt3on]

is the binaural version available anywhere on any streaming platforms?

[@ec5698]

great content. definitely excited to see how this is going to enhance the way we create and enjoy music. specifically the way it will enhance the connection with the audience/listeners, guided by the creatives intended audience/listener experience.

[@ADAMAudioBerlin]

Hi E C! Thank you so much for watching.

[@Yuvalshafrirofficial]

Great lesson! Thanks

[@ABS_AD77]

Just wondering if we need any Upmix plugin to Upmix from stereo to Atmos. In what scenarios do we have to use an up mix plugin ?

[@pavendax]

adam make vid about how to setup monitors for mixing atmos

[@ADAMAudioBerlin]

Hi Pavendax! Thank you for the feedback, we'll definitely look into it.

[@OfficialStevenCravis]

Great explanation.

[@ADAMAudioBerlin]

Thanks for tuning in, Steven!

[@grantfloering]

Is it possible to mix objects without using the center channel? Curious for re-rendering 7.1 or 5.1 stems where a dialog track will take up the center surround channel?

[@philipz794]

Great Walkthroug!

[@shallowfakes593]

epic video I was up and going after 10mins!!!!

[@ADAMAudioBerlin]

Thank you for watching, glad you liked it 👍

[@philipbenjamin4720]

Absolutely great introduction. Plain English. It's immediately obvious that when converting a stereo mix to Atmos the stereo panning gets removed. But it struck me as I was watching/listening - don't we need to completely re-assess reverb? With stereo we have been using reverb to make musicians sound like they are in a room - but half the time that we were doing that we weren't really doing what we wanted to do - which was to put them SOMEWHERE in the room. Now that we can do the two separate things I think that we need to use less reverb. For me the piano in this mix has too much reverb (though probably not in the stereo mix) but in the Atmos mix I think it did not have enough presence - it is too washed out. And guitars too. Just my initial reactions. Whether I'm right in this case my general point is that we must think again about how we use various techniques. Thank you for this fantastic crash course.

[@ADAMAudioBerlin]

That's an interesting thought 👍 Thank you for watching, Philip! Glad you enjoyed the video.

[@guocity]

will music studio adapt dolby atmos format in their production?

[@mokshamahey]

Can i use this to take a dts hd 5.1 MA movie track and make it atmos?

[@murraywebster1228]

And what happens to the mix then when it’s folded back down to stereo or headphones when you don‘t have the extra „real estate“ again?

[@MusicAnirban]

Could anyone please tell me the name of audio track? Thank you.

[@stefanwessel6092]

Have you sent this video trough a binaural renderer so we could hear this binauralized with headphones? If not you should maybe post a binauralized version....

[@armiceli2951]

Love the Track! How can I get a copy of Segovia by David Hamilton?

[@jesusmartinez8508]

Is just available on Apple Music with Dolby Atmos Mix. I would like to know who mixed on Atmos the track 👀

[@fdschuler7863]

Is the Atmos Renderer a separate Protools system?

[@ADAMAudioBerlin]

No it is not a separate Pro Tools application, but Pro Tools uses it as a playback engine

[@kmo9111]

im on rig hd800 DA supported and nano99 55" thats enough for me. interesting.

[@jorgeventura1854]

GREAT!

[@jareddavis6373]

Some really nice insight, thank you. Question: I'm trying to understand, with the LFE channel... I saw there was little to no level bouncing in that channel.. How would you mix a full range instrument like for example a bass guitar? Would you need to have 2 separate channels of the bass with low and high pass respectively, and send the low pass channel to the LFE channel and the rest to whichever object/channel you choose? Or does ATMOS register frequency content automatically from the bed channels and send it where it is appropriate?

[@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony]

The DAW has a plugin for bass management that acts as a crossover to limit what’s sent to the LFE channel. In a stereo up mix, the bass manager plugin takes the sound information from the Left and Right channels and creates a LFE channel. You have some control over this, but you work within that context. So no, you’ll never have to create a LFE channel, not like your describing. Your last comment is basically what’s happening. In Atmos there’s also processing and psychoacoustics taking place, but the LFE content is fairly straight forward.

[@joshuarandolph2269]

I always wandered what the future of audio was going to be

[@ADAMAudioBerlin]

This might be it. Thanks for watching, Joshua 👍

[@davewestner]

Thanks you guys. Nice job with the explaining Rob. Wish I could hear this!

[@ADAMAudioBerlin]

Thank you for watching, Dave! All the best 👍

[@Zmuzikpradoocer]

I’m about to purchase the software

[@ADAMAudioBerlin]

Nice! Enjoy 👍

[@PrashantSharma-dw4np]

Wat is the app name

[@adelismail9321]

more cowbell please

[@Proper49er]

Rob & Adam audio: I am an inexperienced atmos enthusiast who consumes content as I am an end user. 1. Historically, I have understood that the base layer is the ear/tweeter level. This is represented by the lower rectangle. Anything below ear level is not represented. How can I tell you that the Atmos Renderer is wrong? Meaning the head in your diagram is positioned incorrectly. Follow this thought please. 2. The upper rectangle represents the height channels, the lower rectangle represents bed layer. 3. However, I see the error in my comprehension as you placed an object in front of the face icon, and it played only in the base layer. Is this because you did not establish as an object and therefore is placed on the base layer? 4. You positioned an audio source in the rear height perfect and right channels, yet they do not exist in a 7.1.4 set up. However, the reverb is clearly coming out of the surround back channels? No height trickery. 5. To faithfully recreate what you wanted. 1-4 lfe, 9 base layer, 6 height layer on the left and right and 6 atmos placed between LCR above the listener. 6. We are talking 22-25 speakers in a living room, what is the configuration? That is not clear in atmos 9 base, 3 left height, 3 right height, 6 L+R atmos, 1-4 subwoofers. 7. Wide channels (L+R) are in the base layer parallel with the Atmos front heights. Positioned 1/4 of the length of the box between the left or right speaker. There is no current height configuration for wides. You have placed the wides in a surround position ( parallel with ears.) 8. Finally, living rooms are as small as mixing studios. As an enthusiast, I want to hear what you make and faithfully recreate it. If you are mixing 7.1.4, I have the right positioning. Just know the renderer isn’t producing what you “say” but what you hear. The renderer seemingly functions with 25 speakers min in a living room and that is insane (psycoacoustically speaking). The ears are not designed for pinpointing each speaker, much less the orders of reflection happening in a small acoustical space. 9. Decibels and frequency requirements for height channels are incredibly hard to recreate beyond the 9.4.6 in a small acoustical space. 10. We are in a wonderful world where this is possible. Any work you produce will be a more pleasurable experience than stereo. As a consumer, I am ready. 2012 was a long time since it was introduced but people are affording the system slowly. Music will push it even faster. You are all becoming celebrities in the enthusiast community. Who is making atmos that puts your seat on stage? With some formats, it puts you in space. I love the journey you are on! Keep experimenting and exploring this atmosphere. Thank you all for your commitments! I wish there was a video of each of your final rendering so I can faithfully recreate it.

[@Zmuzikpradoocer]

Yesssssp

[@TheDabbinDave]

Well, Apple has entered the ring and Tidal got a swift kick in the nads. Amazon can battle. Tidal can’t resolve simple technical issues over a six month period. Apple’s Atmos sounds a bit more robust on my system via AppleTV 4K feeding Denon AVR-x8200wa’s 11 channels

[@SteveSteeleSoundSymphony]

I want to encourage mixers to not always limit the electric bass to mono center, tied to the bass drum. I understand why a mixer would feel most comfortable placing the bass there, and some music definitely calls for that placement, (and that physics). Consider the mixing choices on many Beatles releases that helped Paul McCartney bass parts stand out, and often lead songs melodically, (sometimes due to the limits of the track count, but other times because the bass was purposely panned hard to one side). Consider placing a second auxiliary bass part in a different space, or get brave and hard pan appropriate bass parts.

[@dulla8469]

this is free

[@mdchannel...8957]

Bro stereo to 5.1ch how to convert ....

[@Trilly4Really]

is this tru? @Adam Audio , would this work???

[@user-qh3kx3tk8w]

what a great way to abuse objects in atmos...no offense but doesn't seem you are experienced enough to do a "masterclass" on this topic. for those who are interested check out some of scheps's videos

[@digitaltrash_]

Okay, dolby atmos is just strange reverb thing..