Mixing Progressive Metal - Animals As Leaders' Red Miso in Dolby Atmos

[@Producelikeapro]

What do YOU think of Mixing in Immersive Audio? Comment your thoughts below!

[@caspermaster-com]

I honestly think you are not on the music creators side if you are not more critical or even neutral to atmos. The financial incentive is also glaring. I am not surprised companies selling speakers, atmos, etc are pushing this, and in turn music "influencers". The reason I am kinda blunt is that I really feel this is NOT GOOD or positive messages for the general music creator, this attempt, because it wont work, and it will cost a lot of people alot of money for no reason. This is blunt feedback, but there is also a bigger picture where big companies wanna top down force this on people.

[@Producelikeapro]

@@caspermaster-com thanks ever so much for sharing!

[@bobbydreg5597]

This video really started getting my imagination going with fx placement, multi speaker automation and the possibilities.

[@cefahprod]

I personally don't see peoples, listeners, customers buying atmos setup for their house spending a bunch of thousands to listen to their favorite artists. However, I feel ambisonic and binaural gonna be more and more present. It is already used all over the place for video games, and it is accessible by anyone with simple headphones. So that is what I'm building for now. There are tons of people who don't even know there is an Atmos thing in ITune. But giving a great immersive experience with binaural encoding printed in the stereo files don't need anything in the consumer part. It is just an amazing experience. I would move to Atmos for film, not for music. But, if I'm wrong, in the end of the day I will ultimatly make the move because yeah, if I can build an Atmos ready studio with Ik Multimedia monitor I will be happy.

[@Producelikeapro]

@@bobbydreg5597 that's wonderful to hear!

[@Joey-rp5vg]

This is the future and hey it's good. I have watched a few videos where more producers / mixers / engineers are dabbling in Atmos. Some were skeptical at first but are embracing this new(ish) format. And this format is not just for film anymore. The future of music is looking real good. Thanks for the awesome video

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much for sharing Joey! I really appreciate it

[@roccoblackness]

Listening to this album with Airpods Pro on apple music was actually cool, but I didn't realize how ACTUALLY INSANE is this atmos mix until I got to work in a properly setup 7.1.4 room. Guys, this shit is the future. It was such an incredible experience. At first I was skeptical cause i thought spreading a mix in the space would result in a luck of punch and "heavyness", but it's actually the opposite. Drums and bass got all the space they need in the front and the guitars are actually HUGE when you completely put them to the side. I listened to other atmos mixes and they don't compare to this tho, this was done super tastefully with all the textures and special effects. Just for context I've never been a huge AAL fan, but hearing Red Miso like that made me so excited about music and made me feel like I was 13 again. The current problem is that the technology to hear it properly is still not there. There's an incredible difference from hearing it in binaural compared to a proper setup. Unless we can't nullify this difference the stereo will still be the standard, but as soon as the binaural perception (or some other way of consuming music comes up) becomes loyal to the original product it's game over for stereo.

[@pavelpavlov954]

I don't know immersive or not but Animals as leaders are outstanding band!!!!

[@Producelikeapro]

Hi Pavel, thanks ever so much for sharing!

[@pavelpavlov954]

@@Producelikeapro After some thought.For this type of music I think the good ol' stereo seems more appropriate to deliver the energy.Less is more!!!!

[@Producelikeapro]

@@pavelpavlov954 thanks for sharing your opinion!

[@randallcromer66]

I had no clue that atmos could be use for music but now that I hear it I'm a true believer and I believe it could really be revolutionary in how music is listened to. Especially if you have someone who really knows how to mix the music.

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much! I really appreciate it

[@thesongacademy5017]

Great video! Thanks ever so much

[@Producelikeapro]

You’re very welcome

[@BlackenedNL]

This is incredible!!!! Absolutely love Matt's drumming, he's such a beast

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much! Matt is a wonderful drummer

[@bobbydreg5597]

What a cool bass sound. Now you got me looking at Hazelrigg’s! Lol

[@Producelikeapro]

Aha! Yes, they are rather wonderful aren’t they!

[@samuelellringmann3424]

From the few tidbits I've heard, I feel like this mix sounds better than the original. Much smoother, more dimensional and natural sounding, yet super agressive. However, maybe that's beside the point. I'm not a metal guy^^

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much for sharing that

[@nicholasmorzov]

Javier and I felt the same way, we went home looking up how much it would cost to get a whole Atmos rig hahaha

[@plapclips6799]

Thanks for this great video!

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much

[@spitfiremusic3997]

Fantastic video!

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much!

[@ProbablyTooLoud]

The opening video montage rocks !

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much!

[@marksaxon]

Those drum tracks are beautifully recorded. It is funny to watch a video about mixing in Atmos on standard stereo headphones. I have AirPods Pro and Atmos is interesting but part of me feels like it's artificial and loses the focus. Could be I'm getting into old fart territory and I like just a good stereo mix. Lol. Great video though!

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much for sharing

[@petezah6557]

While Atmos is interesting in theory and fascinating to experience; it'll be a format that lives only in the movie theater (for however long those will last). Just as Quadraphonic in the 70's and 5.1 album remixing in the 90's-00's died as a consumer product this will too. It's unrealistic to expect consumers in a struggling economy or in a thriving one for that matter to buy into a home Atmos system. In the 00's we had remastered 5.1 live mixes of famous bands in the 60's that would run in movie theaters as a "concert experience" didn't manage to stick around due to the lack of interest. Now in a world where the movie theaters are dying and the interest in music has shifted greatly from what it once was, I find it to be just another failing format.

[@danymalsound]

Yeah, totally... I've visited an atmos room and you can't replicate that outside of said room. It's a complete waste of time, money and energy. Apple spatial is horrid. Everything sounds small and distant (and quiet). The coming years will be interesting, but I'm way more excited about vinyl and now cassettes making a comeback! Cheers.

[@Producelikeapro]

Hi Petezah, thanks ever so much for sharing!

[@Producelikeapro]

@@danymalsound thanks ever so much for sharing your opinion!

[@MiguelMorenoGP]

The thing is, you can encode it for binaural, so you can have an approximation on headphones. And while that tech has been around for decades with Ambisonics, the fact that it is open source, made it "not stick" for music that much. With atmos you have Dolby pushing their product, Spotify and Apple music support it over headphones or a multichannel system, so yeah, I think this time it will stick, even if just as a gimmick on streaming services - mainly because it is Dolby pushing it and trying to sell their "proprietary" encoding/decoding, which is basically Ambisonics in disguise

[@danymalsound]

@@MiguelMorenoGP speaking of "proprietary," one can get further into the weeds and bring up Sony 360, as well... it's getting messy lol

[@sixstringalliance4417]

Thanks for the great video

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much!

[@OrGaZmO666]

When bouncing the individual stems from the stereo mix session, were those run through the final mix bus processing that the original song was run through?

[@sickmessiah]

Also curious to what LUFS this song is measured at. I played atmos tracks off my iPhone. Gain matched to what the actual levels are of songs in atmos and thus is far beyond -18 LUFS I measured it around-11 LUFS. Peaks at -1 db when folded down.

[@ontrackaudio7320]

Hey Warren, Just wanted to say, Would love for you to come by the studio when your in the UK. We have spoken before when I took the marketing course. Just started a channel too so am now subbing from this channel now. I hope you sir are doing marvellously well lol

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much! I really appreciate it! When I get to Europe I have a list as long as my arm of places to visit! Very exciting!

[@dshredmusic]

Super interesting video!! I've been wanting to learn atmos mixing for a while, and there's a huge lack of useful content (and money to buy the gear for it LOL).

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks ever so much! I really appreciate it

[@AdiKotes119KRITICAL]

I wish you would have covered more on the LFE thing, it's one of my major points of confusion when it comes to atmos 😅 If I understand correctly, there's an lfe aux bus in this session, but I don't get it, isn't there an lfe send in the atmos panner?

[@ShawnDealey]

So I have a dedicated aux that feeds the LFE channel of the 7.1.2 bed. I have an eq low passing that output so it’s filter and then send anything I need to the LFE through that aux. I don’t use the LFE send in the panner.

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks Shawn for sharing that! I really appreciate it

[@AdiKotes119KRITICAL]

​@@ShawnDealeyAhh got it thanks!!

[@Producelikeapro]

There's more to cover in the future!

[@Producelikeapro]

@@AdiKotes119KRITICAL marvellous!

[@sickmessiah]

How can somebody get the bwf wav file of this ?

[@KeepAnOpenMind]

Oh no, this GPRS on my phone again. Sorry guys.

[@caspermaster-com]

Hot takes, why atmos will fail 1. To me, I don't think it sounds like anything special in earbuds. (And I think we can all agree that 99.99% of consumers will not setup a real atmos room) 2. What's better than a fold down to stereo? An actual stereo mix 3. "Producers and artists will create music with atmos in mind" - refer to point 1, they will probably not have an atmos room, and it will still not be atmos for consumers or themselves 4. "Immersive audio?" - stereo speakers/headphones are "immersive" already, and you can put a stereo mix inside VR or atmos system and have the stereo mix/consert behind you if you have some spatial fx on and turn around. 5. Streaming services will push this and apple push this. How long will they? There is no definitive improvement in the audio and maybe even an degradation because probably there would already be tools for stereo mixing that made it easier to separate sounds and de-mask audio already in use if it was possible for stereo setups. 6. Where are the money coming from? Consumers? Artists? Engineers? Companies simply won't push a dead idea that dont make them money for too long

[@Producelikeapro]

Hi Caspar, thanks ever so much for sharing!

[@NoiseMakerX]

You seem to have missed the point with Atmos. It's supposed to work equally well on any setup; from stereo headphones to 22.4.1 speaker setups via standard 5.1 surround. I believe Atmos will be around for quite some time.

[@caspermaster-com]

@@NoiseMakerX Im writing from first principle, I dont care what some company thinks or how "it should work" that sell related products. Point is nobody will hear it in atmos

[@Producelikeapro]

@@caspermaster-com indeed, Mixers Mix using Atmos systems as it's the most expansive way to do it, however, yes all of immersive mixes are then used in multiple different formats, spatial, binaural, Atmos for movies, Virtual Reality for gaming etc

[@caspermaster-com]

​@@Producelikeapro I feel I already covered that in the post, movies makes most sense, although, I can imagine its still beneficial to keep the music in stereo to have a place for the foley, speaker channel and movie-fx. But I'm not really arguing about movie productions.

[@AldinPereira]

now we gotta go to the movie theatre to listen to the new albums mixed in Dolby... sorry XD... but headphones with 6 drivers seems like a cool thing that should come next to support this new technology.

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks for sharing! Have you listened to spatial, binaural or played any virtual reality games etc? It will give a good idea of how this folds down. Many thanks

[@splashesin8]

:)

[@Producelikeapro]

Thanks Audrey

[@khronscave]

I'm just 2mins in, and i really hate to be "that guy", but by golly all that rumbly noise (and cellphone interference???) in the lavalier track is off-putting...

[@Producelikeapro]

Haha Khron's you are the definition of 'that guy'! Haha It's what we know of you and what we expect! If I ever get a positive comment from you I will buy a lottery ticket! Keep on being you! All the best

[@timbrown7652]

Khron's Cave = THAT GUY LOL

[@Producelikeapro]

@@timbrown7652 haha it's ok! The world is all about everyone having their own opinions!

[@thesoundresidence]

Will fail as a preferred format for music...

[@Producelikeapro]

Hi Bredo, thanks ever so much for sharing!

[@timbrown7652]

Immersive mixing is how Mixers create music that will folded down to already heavily used formats! No one is expecting consumers to buy Immersive systems for their house LOL. Every major film mixer mixes for surround for movies and now immersive, it's not going anywhere.

[@Producelikeapro]

@@timbrown7652 thanks ever so much for sharing!