PC Emulation on Android is Insane! - PS3, Wii U, Xbox 360, & More

[@TakiUdon]

Let me know if you'd like a guide covering setting this up on a phone/Android device.

[@buddybleeyes]

Yes please man, this is f'ing nuts! 😮

[@COD-OTIMIZADO]

Of course we want

[@huseintambawala4381]

yes plz

[@smallmistake]

y e s

[@dodgechallenger7401]

I want to figure out how you got stuff to run in Winlator. I found the emulation software a couple days ago but I struggled to run anything with it. Maybe it is just dependent on what you are running it on though (pixel 6a)

[@stevemclovin1566]

Any direction that leads to games being played natively on Android is a much better direction than games just being streamed.

[@notreallyhim]

Depends, with moonlight, you can barely feel any latency tbh.

[@trashtrash2169]

Yeah, but it can look pretty terrible if you don't have minty fresh internet.

[@kimhyunwoo8983]

@@trashtrash2169well what is terrible to you? I mean even the toughest games such as Skyrim with 2000ish mods in my experience can be ran at 720p with bad internet (for reference I was using my phone plans native LTE data)

[@Th4tNiggaSpiderman]

Cant never be native its emulating, just powerfull enough too not feel emulated

[@Marco-wp9kw]

@@kimhyunwoo8983 streaming has it's use purposes but with emulation the sky is truly the limit on the things users will be capable of in the near future.

[@Vandel212]

0:31 I beg to differ. That definitely looks like Cloud to me.

[@Dkses1234]

​@@soreyJr 😂 bro missed the joke

[@TS-pm7ys]

@@soreyJrthe character’s name is cloud….

[@thesidneychan]

​@@soreyJr that's literally Cloud from final fantasy 7, a well known franchise from Square Enix formerly Squaresoft.

[@soreyJr]

I'm stupid

[@Vandel212]

@@soreyJr Hahaha, it's ok. Definitely not something someone would get if they weren't familiar with FF7.

[@hoshizawa]

Emulation on emulation? Damn. Imagine the native performance of those games.

[@TussalDragon344]

Emulationception

[@MaykomSilva-s4j]

This Emulator is from the Brazilian Brunodev85, a humble guy and it's good to know that you KZbinrs from other countries can see the progress he is making for the community.

[@SamStormsKBD]

Bora, Brasiiiilll 🎉

[@ItsOver9000Productions]

Wait, what? My brain is refusing to compute this. It's like trying to shove a bucket into a hot pocket.

[@TakiUdon]

lol

[@pepito69]

Would you say your confusion is over 9000?

[@coreychildress156]

Lube

[@theyoungcoder]

more like shoving a whole italian resturant into a hot pocket

[@bappibhai1]

Use brain emulator

[@abdelali9279]

8:28 "yo dawg, we heard you like emulators, so we put an emulator in your emulator"

[@la1sh]

All these consoles have retroarch ports to them if you want to go even more insane with emulation layers.

[@luimu]

wine is not an emulator

[@vaibhavdabwalv1]

Here it is since it’s legit emulating x86 to arm

[@BosnianHeisenberg]

@@vaibhavdabwalv1 no its emualting x64 to arm

[@Kurakumakachilibaba]

​@@luimuexcept it is. It's emulating windows in a device that was never meant for it.

[@Moulinoski]

If these Windows emulators could work as a wrapper like dosbox or proton, then we basically have PC applications on Android. Pretty cool stuff, actually.

[@Space97.]

Omg I thought the same thing if it worked like "proton" that begs me to ask the question how does proton work? Do you know?

[@mesiroy1234]

Tbh smausng newapah9nw is stronger then steam deck

[@enorma29]

actually, we are close. there was a leak revealing Valve's plans to release Proton for ARM. i'd bet the x86 and x64 architectures will not exist anymore by the late 2030s. thank god.

[@silvanpaul2531]

This is using wine to play these games.... proton is a version of wine made for gaming by valve. these "emulators" aren't emulators. these are just wine launchers with some predefined configurations you can use to run windows games on android. so yeah it is possible to have a proton version on this. WINE is not an emulator WINE is a translation layer it translates windows language to unix language. for example windows would say : pixel 1 is red but linux or android would only understand px 1 = red WINE translates this so that linux or android is able to understand the windows version. An emulator emulates a real device. So it would tell the game "YEah im totally a real xbox with this hardware source trust me bro" and it will keep guessing the stuff it needs to do. so it can draw a frame. getting the emulations right takes years due to developers "guessing" the proper hardware/software calls. it's actually emulating a device.

[@SuperM00b]

Winlator is still an emulator as it uses box64 & box86 on top of wine to emulate an x86 or x86-64 computer, otherwise you couldn't use wine to play these games.

[@XINTSUAI]

Winlator tips: 1 - It's not necessary to create a new container to each game, you can have most of the settings individualized on the shortcuts section. 2 - You can increase font size of the emulated Windows on the Wine Config options, after start the container, in the start menu. 3 - Pay attention to the load over the GPU, if you GPU is 70% but your framerate isn't good, this means the game is CPU bond, so reducing resolution will not help too much. 4 - If you want full screen on you smart phone, discover your device aspect ratio and make this count: Ex. 720 ÷ 9 * 19.5 = 1560 (for Galaxy S24 Ultra 19.5:9 aspect ratio) = 1560x720. If you want lower resolutions just reduce the vertical resolution: 640 ÷ 9 * 19.5 = 1386 1386X640 (19.5:9)

[@mesiroy1234]

As a noob just simply hwo dowand games / roms I know 0. Just have s23+

[@ainzooalgown9680]

You need at least 2 container, with default wine and 9.2 wine Some games like "EDF 5" only work on wine 9.2

[@settoshi]

how do you change your aspect ratio to fit screen?

[@robertwolfgan]

I have no idea how to do any of this specially the screen ratio thing 😭

[@wind2536]

Hey, after i make winlator fullscreen using your calculations, how do I make the game also full screen?

[@ptitSeb123]

Side note: Winlator (and variants) use box64 (and box86 sometimes) for the Emulation part. Than means AVX/AVX2 are available on latest version :)

[@master74200]

Only on certain arm chips.

[@ptitSeb123]

@@master74200 No, AVX & AVX2 is available on all ARM chip (it's not linked to SVE, only to NEON)

[@master74200]

@@ptitSeb123 While I haven't attempted to run this on a Raspberry Pi 2 yet, I'm fairly certain that this is as of writing only implemented for ARM64 chips, so the armv7l and older architectures are unfortunately out, at least that's what reads from the 0.3.0 release of box64.

[@emdee5928]

Thanks man for box86 and box64 😊

[@ptitSeb123]

@@master74200 AVX/AVX2 is for box64 only. I don't see any practical use of AVX on box86.

[@CrocoDylianVT]

considering the Adreno 750 is THEORETICALLY slightly more powerful than a PS4's GPU, with some time and optimization many PC titles should be able to run like they would natively on a similar hardware

[@tranquility6789]

Pretty sure it's actually closer to a steam deck's gpu

[@justarandomtomato_]

The thing is that the theoretical performance is not accounting for the usual power draw and, henceforth, temperature limits we have with phones. You would need to play these games in docked mode, which defeats the purpose of a handheld. The future does look promising, though!

[@Fielith]

phones run with wayyy less power, something like 5-10W of power, those ps4 or steamdeck run at 15-30W the only limiting factor here is our phone Watt capable of

[@GiuseppeAngelino95]

Yes. That's why a 2017 hardware (Switch) still sells today with tons of games theorically playable on phones, but that will simply never made it even though any Snapdrgon from 888 to Gen 3 could destroy the custom Tegra chip ​@@justarandomtomato_

[@Imraan120]

Bro I just got a ps4 bruhh

[@TjazzSyn]

With sonic ultimate Genesis collection he's Running a sega Genesis emulator inside an Xbox 360 emulator inside a windows emulator inside a phone..... That's like 3 layers of emulation!

[@TakiUdon]

PS3*, but yes, it is three layers.

[@ekinteko]

​@@TakiUdon Just think back to the days of the first Galaxy S1 and iPhone 4, and we were celebrating PSP Emulation, and the native games were basically GameCube level of graphics. Now we are at Xbox One level. And back when the GPD Win-1 first released as x86 handheld, again we were celebrating Wii Emulation, and the level of graphics was roughly WiiU level. Now we are at Xbox Series S. Suddenly a portable AYN Odin3 doesn't sound absurd running a Snapdragon EliteX processor.

[@AlexDiaz-gw5ov]

@@TjazzSyn That is so fucking nuts.

[@avastorneretal]

@@TakiUdon there's 4 layers, one of them is a translation layer. Windows emulator is a Linux Virtual Machine with a Wine translation layer. UPD 5 layers - additional is Box86/64 translation layer that converts ARM commands to x86 and vise versa.

[@pt8306]

@@avastorneretal Technically it's Linux running QEMU, so it's Linux running a Windows VM

[@Autotrope]

I am quite happy to see the enthusiasm for this. I think that PC gaming on arm is the natural consequence of the powerful mobile arm chips we're seeing now and our desire for pc gaming on the go. And surely Valve is watching and will want to get in on it

[@daearthiest1505]

Apparently they're experimenting with proton on arm

[@AhmadMughal1]

Correct guess. Valve has officially sponsored and started collaboration with Arch Linux although the steam deck isn't ARM based but the general progress in these issues will also help in the android emulation part as well.

[@SuperUglys]

Ngl I would buy a steam phone if they can make one

[@yoshikinanami7434]

Ooh please covering this in the future! This is really promising

[@amsiii]

much respect for those making the Emulations possible for millions of us to enjoy. Blows my mind 360 and ps3 is now able to fit in the palm of your hands just wow! This is exciting asf 🤯

[@FrenckilBianco]

Cant believe you bring out the OG Harry Potter games for PC, love them

[@piodelgado2890]

Maybe with this emulator, big companies will consider releasing their AAA games to ARM chips

[@Jokerwolf666]

There's already been rumors that the next Xbox and Playstation will be ARM based.

[@Nateanderthal]

I'm not a big AAA developer but we're definitely releasing our game on Android first because it just makes sense, we're going to have a free version with some ads, and then a version you can pay for outright to remove all ads and have the newest content on day one every time there is a free content update.

[@m1s3ry97]

Lmao no

[@Jokerwolf666]

@@m1s3ry97 there's already a lot of rumors going around within the industry that PlayStation 6 and whatever the next Xbox is may be ARM based. The amount of arm-based devices dwarfs the amount of PC's on the planet now, not to mention you take the path of least resistance. It saves an ungodly amount of time and money if you don't have to port your games to a million different platforms with different architectures.

[@ditto_arts]

This has already happened to some extent with death stranding and a few other titles on the M1-M4 Ipads and the latest IPhones but the market for that is very limited and they didn’t sell very well according to journalists (which was kinda obvious because nobody would pay another 40 dollars for the same game but in another aspect ratio and worse textures). Id imagine the market for this would grow alot more if they made it on both IOS and Android

[@OscarOliu]

This is actually not surprising if you've been following mobile development for a while, Qualcomm has been wanting to push their CPUs onto the consumer PC market for a few years now, getting to the point where they are actually a somewhat viable option.

[@ghalilahloumimiseconde3771]

So you are telling me that we can emulate ps3 games in my phone , however a multi-billion company wont do it on ps5 ??

[@michaelraminto68]

they can, but they dont want to physically so they can make more money😂

[@ghalilahloumimiseconde3771]

@@michaelraminto68 I know because they have that ps now thing

[@talibong9518]

Why let you play a disc you already own when they can sell a "remaster"

[@ghalilahloumimiseconde3771]

@@talibong9518 i aint gonna buy the same game again

[@muslimcel4581]

​@@michaelraminto68scummy cinks

[@peejae082004]

I guess it's time for a Snapdragon X Elite handheld like an Odin 3.

[@freezymuchroom]

nah we just need better emulator for android.

[@lavender188]

​@@freezymuchroom agreed. the software needs some time to mature first.

[@peejae082004]

@@freezymuchroom If only Qualcomm will make it easier to unlock the bootloader and provide enough support to devs so EFI booting is easier we could have devices that can dual boot Android + Windows 11 (arm).

[@mrwoodcat]

real. but it won't be cheap I guess.

[@mrwoodcat]

@@freezymuchroom if you just wanted to play offline windows game portably sure maybe. for online games and full windows games experience, a fullblown OS is totally better.

[@sgnoogle]

Relatively to your final statement: I honestly hope to see full dedicated native games on Android able to run at their best. I'm not a gatcha fan, but playing Zenless Zone Zero on my Redmagic 9 Pro is just something unique: the quality level Hoyoverse reached with that title on Android looks insane to me. I want that quality without all the gatcha system.

[@Fleshlight_Reviewer]

Ew hoyoverse is literally garbage

[@tranquility6789]

​@@Fleshlight_Reviewereh, it depends. They make great gacha games but gacha games are predatory. Oh and they're also racist

[@BlueCrashFigurineHoldingWumpa]

​@tranquility6789 racist how? I don't play their games btw

[@shogunero3.6]

@@tranquility6789 iTs rAiSiSt !! Grow tf up.

[@sgnoogle]

@@Fleshlight_Reviewer I consider myself an average gamer: the quality I've seen in ZZZ is just something else. Again: I hope to see that quality level on other mobile games.

[@hasnomoney1800]

winalator came far in an year. It use to barely run anything now it can runs emulators. Can't wait to see how far it gets in another year.

[@rondoudoushiney3868]

This is just insane. Especially Wii U emulation, I remember people dreaming about this, we thought this wasn't possible. We've come a long way since Dolphin 🗿

[@michelvanbriemen3459]

Hey bro, I heard you like emulators, so we put a spanking new emulator on your phone that can emulate other emulators, so you can feel free to emulate while you're emulating.

[@mobas07]

This is gonna be a game changer. Phones have much better battery life than PC handhelds.

[@Pridetoons]

This is true, however PC Gaming will be better on an X86 Handheld.

[@edbane1656]

Yes and no, running heavy duty pc games on android is going to tank batteries just as much as on an x86 platoform, mainly because you need to emulate everything rather than run it optimally

[@ScrubsWasTaken]

you forgot about the steam deck OLED and upcoming ROG Ally X. Also a PC gaming will always be better on PC.

[@ndc5544p]

With the advent of ARM PCs I hope we can see much better x86 to arm translation algorythms. It's basically the thing that holds me back from going and buying the steamdeck, it needs to get more efficient.

[@sulac4ever170]

No they haven't. Sure, if using them for video playback or social media or surfing or light mobile game, they can hold up several hours. But even when playing heavy duty mobile game (talking COD or Fortnite or similar) they are limited to 2-3 hours which is on par or below the Steam deck on AAA games. And the heavy GPU overclocking needed for most PC emulation cuts that short even more.

[@XKCDism]

What is crazy is that this shows the native potential of these games, lower visual fidelity and other optimizations you could, in theory, get games like skyrim running on more modest hardware

[@AROAH]

I really hope this is meant to be funny 😂

[@NasifIstiak]

Another Skyrim release? Holy shit

[@AROAH]

@@NasifIstiak As if the Switch wasn’t low-spec enough

[@ThisMyhandlenow]

Please no cussing ​@@NasifIstiak

[@gavinjones]

Oh man you really took me down the memory lane with the HP games

[@retropulse03]

It's cool in theory, but doesn't really seem 'there' yet. I'll still hold out for an android version of XEMU, which is the missing link IMO right now. Xenia still needs a lot of work before I start really caring about 7th Gen emulation.

[@AlexDiaz-gw5ov]

It has only been 11 months of this. Not even a year. In a year of Winlator updates with better gen 2 and gen 3 support alongside Mediatek support apart of updates to turnip, mesa and Box. This will be incredible. Right now the best mix of performance and compatibility are in the 870,888 and more or less 8 Gen 1 chips.

[@snowzZzZz]

winlator will be cool once the desktop UI is put into the backend (with toggle to view it) and replaced with a simplified application level UI for easilly setting uo containers and shells, could even make shortcuts on android launcer straight to the game if that's possible

[@notreallyhim]

Progress has been exponential in the past year.

[@haze8642]

​@@snowzZzZzHey, nice seeing you here. Used to watch your videos.

[@snowzZzZz]

@@haze8642 woah hey, didn't expect anyone to recognize me here lol

[@readingsolo]

Taki can you share battery life testing for these high powered systems? Do they die quickly when running PC, switch, etc?

[@TakiUdon]

With 100% brightness + diablo mode, the battery will last 4.5-6 hours running PC. Switch and other standard emulators will use way less power.

[@kazekaz69]

😮​@@TakiUdon

[@אביאלחיימוב-ב4ת]

🤯

[@tomatorev68]

Thats far better than my 2017 switch sh..itty battery ​@TakiUdon

[@scaratlas3347]

​@@TakiUdonwhat the fuck!!!

[@TCGchan]

this runs games better than my current laptop

[@jayclarke777]

My laptop GPU is busted (RX 6800m) so this phone is actually smoking it.

[@michaeltaylor4817]

This is awesome. Also.... rcps3 ported to android must be in reach to some degree.

[@TMracer73]

Thanks so much for this video. Its eye openning. I had no idea PC emulation of games is even posible. I will definately try some older games. Any vids on this topic are apriciated

[@Nateanderthal]

My team and I are building a roguelite inspired by Ghouls 'n Ghosts/Demon's Crest and a bunch of others. Our current plan is to launch on Android first and seeing how many people seem to like Android gaming this bodes very well for us.

[@leothehuman_9476]

Awesome!! ARM is the future and I can't comprehend why aren't AAA games being released on android, since today's phones are much more powerful than a nintendo switch. We could have all AAA games on our phones if developers cared to do an android port!

[@dawneebeur9469]

So go on my friend

[@emisorano]

fun fact: winlator controller issues are a first world problem, a lot of chinese white label controllers have touch modes since they are geared towards mobile gaming where most games actually have controller support. i would love to get one of these to carry black ops 2 and similar classics on the go, sadly it's a bit out of my budget. it would be cool if on future featurings of winlator in your videos you could test some games like minecraft with mods, black ops 2/3(neither are very demanding, they run decent on an athlon 3000g, but are somewhat popular for the zombies mod), the binding of isaac, casette beasts and maybe some paradox strategy games. all of those are less demanding yet somewhat relevant games that could settle a better reference, showing mostly what edges the limit of a device isn't as intuitive as showing something that runs somewhat well, and the viewer can expect to run on their own pc to gauge more or less how capable it would on one's own games. keep up the good work champ.

[@Luodai235]

A android phone emulating a PC emulating a PS3 and running Demon souls at playable frame is honestly insane. Soon we won't even need a beefy PC or console to play games anymore, a phone can just be a all in one device and you just need some docks and accessories like a bigger screen and keyboard.

[@Malxer]

This is amazing, made my day. Im optimistic in the future of gaming :) Maybe in a few years technology takes a few more steps into making gaming even more accessible to everyone thanks to stuff like this.

[@ST4RDUST]

What I still don't understand is why we're taking the long route with emulating windows games when we could have almost pure linux emulation thanks to box32/64, there are a lot of great pc games with native ports on the platform (including valve games, TF2 on android anyone?) and they would run better natively on box32/64 than on wine which is two translation layers on top of an emulator.

[@faeliyoure9105]

because windows have the highest number of games playable. And smartphones are slowly getting very powerful so they are just trying to brute force it.

[@CitrusRev]

My god. Linux users will take ANY opportunity to say they use Linux.

[@ST4RDUST]

@@CitrusRev it's not even about that, I know windows has more games, but there are a bunch of games that would run better on a pure box64/32 emu, hell you could even get Steam running and potentially use its proton implementation to run games instead, smh.

[@genericjosh96]

Winulator runs using box32/64 so I don’t get your point. It’s also very clearly emulating windows just enough to run games, it’s not running windows 10/11 or anything like that.

[@kayburcky7146]

​​@@genericjosh96it is running box86 / 64 but it's not emulating windows which taki also stated wrong. It's using wine. So it does exactly what op would have liked to see

[@nufsioohay]

Taki Udon an experienced monster hunter?? Let's gooooo

[@gregorybolivar5712]

Indeed... I was waiting to see your take on "WINLATER " Turning your Android Device into a "Virtual Machine " Which I have tested few pc games: Cup Head Horizon chase Turbo For RPCS3 Emulator Tested: Boot up Mirror Edge Tekken × Street Fighter Dead Or Alive 5 Virtual Tennis Using my Samsung Tab-S7 11" running a Snapdragon 865 Then AyN Odin 2 Pro Edition..running Snapdragon 8 gen 2 🤓😎

[@danileo13]

I've almost completed Fallout 3 on my Odin 2 (8 gen 2) and it is running perfectly

[@quantumsoul3495]

Which emulator?

[@danileo13]

@@quantumsoul3495 Winlator Frost 7.1

[@brokensprites]

That is absolutely bonkers. Fallout 4...! You summed it up nicely and truly it is impressive to see how far emulation has come ... But Android, emulating PC and xbox is nuts. Great video, cool leak, hopefully next year brings a ready release. 👍😎

[@snowzZzZz]

makes me think of the potential if it was properly optimized, but also makes me thankful of console constraints forcing developers to optimize

[@kimihikokimizuka2165]

We are one step closer to run all PC games on our mobiles with the release of 8 elite chip and it's gonna be in our pocket real soon If I'm not broke as now i would buy one in future

[@HiTechLoLife]

Honestly the fact that Winlator works as well as it does is a massive paradigm shift, and both software optimization and mobile performance will only go up from here. One has to wonder how much longer it'll be until ARM eventually will replace x86 in its entirety.

[@-Monty97-]

absolutely loved this video, also on the winlator guide there's not alot of detailed guides on emulation for Pc games/hardware on Android devices so it'd be super awesome if you could do one on winlator and I'm sure alot of people would too! please keep doing what you're doing and hope you the best~

[@mjcox242]

Calling the cemu situation a leak is kind-of overstating it. The situation that happened is someone compiled the experimental apk and shared it. Codes open source and free for anyone to do. Only reason it doesnt have an offical release is all the features not reimplimented with android in mind

[@tebo2286]

We are living in exciting times. Mad props for your hard work Taki....Salute!

[@1234_Flux]

With games that have 50-100GB file size we would need to buy Micro SD cards specifically for 1 or 2 games as if they were Switch cartridges. Thankfully most PS3/360 games aren't that big.

[@eduardo.calistenia]

You can use an External drive, but man, I really wish flaship phones would go back to supporting MicroSD cards, specially with how fast they've gotten.

[@justlikethat7695]

You can find most of the newer flagship smartphones with 512gb to 1tb already 😂

[@zergslayer69]

​@eduardo.calistenia they need some way of selling you expensive 1tb models

[@eduardo.calistenia]

@justlikethat7695 yeah, I know but they cost way more, specially outside the US where money doesn't come so easy.

[@zergslayer69]

@@eduardo.calistenia Yea I totally get it, same reason why removing the headphone jack means they can sell you useless earbuds

[@HimMrM]

This is honestly amazing. I couldn't fathom this 15 years ago when I could barely emulate Sonic Adventure 2 on my shitty laptop. Just imagine where we will be in 20 years, and how AI might strengthen our emulation capabilities. The future is loking exciting, and I cannot wait for the cemu android release!

[@Nyashkoshkko]

ps3 inside pc inside android is insane!

[@netnomad47]

An emulator running on another emulator. Incredible. Just wish native android emulation began for ps3, xbox, xbox 360, and steam compatible games.

[@josephmolina7007]

You should try the Odin 2 with winlator, most of these can use the controls

[@rettenthetetlen8759]

For real?

[@xxzenonionnex7658]

Idk if you know this game, but beamng v23 runs 15 fps on the xr2/865+ and uses 6.7gb of ram at 720p. I was unable to test versions above v30 because it uses more than 10gb of ram. The steam version of the game doesn't have drm so you can copy it directly to your device and it will work.

[@captainkoloth1631]

Major source of frustration for me is that none of these Winlator flavors are able to mount ISOs, so a lot of Win 9x/early XP games are not playable. For some you can get workarounds by either using GOG files or extracting files from the ISO, but many games of that era are hardcoded to read off a disc drive so there's no solution and the games can't be played. Win 9x in DOSBox has a bunch of issues and isn't workable for most of those games either. End result is a pretty large "donut hole" of PC game incompatibility on Android from about 1996-2004.

[@Raletia]

Might not help much on android, but PCem, and forks like 86Box are really really good at covering early windows games. It's full blown PC & peripheral emulation including 3D Like the Voodoo cards.

[@captainkoloth1631]

@@Raletia yeah those are great but they're for Windows only so doesn't help on Android.

[@damianabregba7476]

I've found partial solution to CD issues to try. Create new drive with path to your unpacked iso folder. This was the only way to install multi disks game. By the time it wanted another drive, replace content of that folder with second CD(or just switch names). I don't know if it will work for reading content off the disk though

[@captainkoloth1631]

@damianabregba7476 yeah it's a good idea, I've tried it. It's hit or miss but still usually does not work

[@master74200]

​@@captainkoloth1631Android is a difficult target in that aspect, but it definitely works on ARM Linux systems just fine.

[@flamingscar5263]

this has convinced me that the future of laptops and handheld PCs is ARM, and its not for the intuitive reason of ARM APUs having less power draw, no, I imagine a future handheld using an ARM CPU and a dedicated GPU, it would rival current handhelds in battery life due to the extra power draw from the dedicated GPU, but it would destroy in performance, now I am not saying a handheld will have a 4090 laptop GPU shoved inside of it any time soon, but I could very much see something like a laptop 4050 max-Q getting put inside one, that GPU can go as low as 35 watts, which devices like the ROG ally, already consume at their max power profile

[@justinawe783]

On the Odin 2 got so many AAA games to run and newer games

[@rettenthetetlen8759]

Really? How and what games?

[@Taavett]

lyubx is making a frame generation for android, im excited to see where it goes (especially with emulation).

[@AlteredCarbons]

before the steam deck... i used to get so exited seeing these videos, but now that we have a dedicated pc in my hands anywhere i go. my phone just needs to do phone things. i have a oneplus 9 with an 888 snapdragon. it emulates anything i want to play. i just dont need to any more because the stream deck does it better. better battery, batter feel. better experience. not saying this phone aint bad ass because it is. and i'd still love it, i just dont have a use for a high end phone any more. i have no want or need to emulate ps3/360 games, or even pc games on my phone. i do feel we are working our way to more handheld pc's like the steam deck, and that is what big corpo's want because they can lock it down easily.

[@Dkses1234]

Wtfff I was about to write a comment, but you summarized my feelings weirdly on point, so I'll just say I agree!!!!🫡

[@skycloud4802]

That's why I got into these Chinese handhelds. My phone can do emulation even better than those, but it's nicer to offload my phone and save it's battery usage. When I finally got around to the Steam Deck, it spoilt me too much. It can do anything I want to do on it.

[@begottenbaker]

Wait until you get an actual desktop PC, your deck is gonna collect a lotta dust

[@AlteredCarbons]

@@begottenbaker have one. its turned into my watch youtube. i use moonlight to stream to deck or to the deck then to my tv. works great. i honestly dont even use my pc for anything other then the light edited at this point

[@huskysharky9025]

I got a oneplus open tried to do this but not all games worked I too have owned a steamdeck and have upgraded to a legion Go id say this is cool but not ready yet IMO

[@Geerogee]

Can't wait for monster hunter world to be fully playable ❤ btw nice device. Currently using 8s pro. Also doing some test videos with it.

[@Jmaskoflooneytunes]

It seems like people aren't realizing the immediate future implications this has on specifically andriod emulation. This is going to be what gets us past the Gen 6 dead end in Andriod. Not in it's current state but give it a couple of years and it will be streamlined. Imagine in like 2 or 3 years you could all of a sudden play XEMU, Xenia, RPCS3 and lightweight Steam titles on your Odin 2. From that point, if they make an Odin 3 with a 1440p 120hz OLED screen then you literally have the holy grail emulation device period. I would pick that device over any x86 handheld. Major caveat being that I have a laptop for portable AAA gaming.

[@xxzenonionnex7658]

The aya neo pocket is literally that but it's a little to expensive at 400-700$ but a phone with ths same specs cost 900-1200$ so.

[@Jmaskoflooneytunes]

@@xxzenonionnex7658 It was supposed to but at the moment it seems like the Snapdragon G3x Gen2 is not outperforming the 8 Gen 2 in emulation despite the beefier GPU. Im sure its much better for native andriod gaming but its just not translating as much for emulation where raw compute is favored. Unless it matures over time its looking like the Snapdragon 8 is the undisputed king of andriod emulation. So yeah for those reasons I'm wanting to see an Odin 3 with an 8 Gen 3 processor, 1440p 120hz Oled, and dude it will tear any retro title to shreds while looking amazing. (Up to Gen6 and Switch) I just hope that development for Switch emulation doesnt stall because the switch library has so many gen 7 titles that will be great for people that are into high end retro emulation. The fact that I can play Dark Souls and Skyrim on my Odin 2 still blows my mind.

[@xxzenonionnex7658]

@@Jmaskoflooneytunes a x elite handheld would probably be better than the gen3

[@Jmaskoflooneytunes]

@@xxzenonionnex7658 Time will tell if those come to tablet/handheld gaming. However at that point we're talking about ARM chips that currently only support an ARM based fork of Win 11. Not sure of the compatibility there. The future of ARM is exciting nonetheless.

[@oW0LFP4CKo]

Waiting to see some of this on Odin 2 please. Thank you 🙏

[@mykr0324]

Shits crazy

[@bogdanselenginskiy4784]

Man, that is so cool! I am quite easily impressed even with ps2 emulation, but this here is completely off limits

[@FightRayTV]

DBZ Kakarrot over 50 fps on an android? this is amazing

[@100Bucks]

He could've gotten more if he used lossless scaling application to use frame generation. I don't know for sure it would work on that unit but it works on everything in on the PC side.

[@z5vix]

it just goes to show how far ps3 emulation has come, back on my low end laptop i could play minecraft at like 5fps (currently i dont know how it wouldve run now since its long broken) but still.

[@wanotai91]

can u compare this with ayn odin 2?

[@TakiUdon]

Yeah. There are some games that would only run on Odin 2 for some reason. If I do a guide on this, I'll talk about it.

[@IamThePreston]

​@TakiUdon please do a guide to all of this content! I love this all so much certainly this is my favorite video of yours so far!

[@aprichman]

Would love to see you dive into PC emulation on the Odin 2 platform

[@BharatSharma-of9du]

​@@TakiUdonplease help How to install directrix on winlator , please reply as I don't have enough knowledge on this topic Thanks

[@jadenmessner219]

Just imagine a world were valve releases some variant of proton that runs on Android or Microsoft does the same for their play anywhere games, that would be awesome to hear that my games that ive already bought on both platforms, or another pc storefront for that matter, have another way for me to play them on the go

[@stemdeckesupreme164]

I installed a hacked version of windows 11 on a 2012 4G phone a few yeara back and it ran oblivion at 45 fps medium settings. Been waiting for real windows on android support

[@EdwardMitchell2917]

An emulator within an emulator. Snapdragon is amazing! Crazy how powerful phones have gotten 🤯

[@Hello_There57]

Is oneplus 12 with 24 ram capable of playing these games ?

[@TakiUdon]

Yes, just get an external cooler.

[@AlexDiaz-gw5ov]

This video is great as this is right now the peak Android performance by far. A boosted 8 gen 3 with double cooling. The fact it runs DBZK and FF7R that well already is insane. Too bad there was not a video of Fallout 3 as that is one of the most performant games in Winlator too. In this it should run at 1080 60fps at mid settings. Or 720p 60fps with max settings. I have yet to see that.

[@yamikaze404]

it is great to see.. but steam deck is cheaper..

[@neontd]

if you were gonna buy the phone anyways, its better to save on the steam deck and just use the phone

[@TyrooShino]

As it stands, phone tech is starting to slag just a little in progression but seeing DEMON SOULS, a full, intense graphic game running is insane! showing how far we have come. If we can get Metal Gear Solid 4 GOTP running, I think we will have hit the jackpot. Since the 360 and ps3 era is still considered the golden age of gaming.

[@ScrubsWasTaken]

PC handhelds are still a better option. These phones cost the same and even much more than a lot of PC handhelds. save your money and get a Steam Deck OLED or a ROG Ally X. both of these handle heat and battery life better on PC stuff

[@skycloud4802]

Plus Steam Deck has a plethora of input options, like track pads and rear clicky buttons for macro bindings. Many of the examples on this video seem to be issues of control as much as performance.

[@oo--7714]

​@@skycloud4802the trackpad and marco buttons aren't useful for most pc games. Many of them just jeed an xbox controller

[@begottenbaker]

I wouldn't say they're a better option here, you're not buying a phone just for gaming like you would a PC handheld after all. They're on two different playing fields, used for different things.

[@Jokerwolf666]

​@@begottenbakerthe one big bonus is they all have video out via usb-c now. So regardless if you go with a phone or PC handheld you can still get it on the big screen!

[@ScrubsWasTaken]

@@oo--7714 except there are tons of fps games that benefit from track pads

[@HitmonleeDeluxe]

Its funny to see that you also tested the harry potter pc games! I was excited to be able to play them on the go, but a bit disappointed by the performance of HP3, especially when I saw heavier games run at similar framerates

[@Ramms95]

i mean, this emulator is still on going and being develop as we're speaking what u expect?

[@HitmonleeDeluxe]

Welp, what I expected is that a PC game from 2003 to run better than fallout 4? Its basically what I said haha. I am no fool, I know its still being developed and retest the games I want to play with each vers that comes out, been testing since the 3.0

[@TakiUdon]

It's possible for older 32bit PC games like HP to run worse than newer titles due to the way these emulators work.

[@Jokerwolf666]

I said it like 10 years ago and I'll keep saying it, mobile processing is going to outpace desktop if it hasn't already. With AI learning and dedicated AI to GPU processes we're going to get even more insane performance.

[@GANONdork123]

There is nothing AI related going on here.

[@Jokerwolf666]

@@GANONdork123 I know there's nothing AI going on there, but newer processors are having cores dedicated to AI processes. Once AI is advanced enough when it comes to graphic processing you're going to see it being used always going forward. Essentially you're going to be able to natively render a game at let's say 720p and it will perfectly upscale without any noticeable artifacting. This is maybe 5 to 10 years away and we're going to see a huge change in the landscape.

[@rjdn1384]

C0pe for another 10 years then

[@Bas1i0n]

0:31 > "this is not a cloud game" > Cloud strife visibly on screen

[@herzus515]

"Insane" Meanwhile most wii u games not running, Pc Games running under 30, xbox 360 and ps3 mostly not running. Cmmon this phone is in a range of a laptop and a good gaming pc you cant call this insane. Asus rog ally beats this thing besides I cant call my mom on my rog ally

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

With VoIP you can call your mom from the Rog Ally 😆

[@MrArielK]

Can you buy a gaming pc for $700?

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

@@MrArielK yes, you can get a Rog Ally for 700 and under

[@MrArielK]

@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 and it runs switch emulator better than gen 3?

[@fillerbunnyninjashark271]

@@MrArielK you do realize switch is ARM hardware. It's literally an android tablet. PC has to emulate it. Android just uses a code wrapper... It can definitely run it better currently until a switch emulator is actually properly optimized... Good luck running ps360 generation games on your phone though 🤷‍♂️

[@jonraymondchua2388]

"This is not a cloud game" ~while the screen shows Cloud Strife You got me😂 nice vid and very informative... Amazing that we get to see that PS3 and Xbox series can now be played via Android devices.. what a time to live

[@iamnotkurtcobain]

Great to see this video :)

[@AngelCopout]

Yep. This clicked with me a week ago when I saw vids of Yakuza games running on a Poco F3

[@wiffmastermase]

Bowsers Xecutor 3 chip I put in my Xbox 18 years ago was the literally the best via fiancially supressive investments of my childhood.

[@Zebra66]

I use a USB c to USB adapter to use regular joysticks or mouse and keyboard on my Android phone or tablet when traveling. It really makes a huge difference. With clip-on joypads it's kinda like the Nintendo Switch (which is also just an android tablet under the hood). I've yet to find a Bluetooth pad that doesn't lag on Android but wired pads are awesome for emulation on the go.

[@jrno93]

Sanpdragon Gen 4 clocked at 4.3ghz 2 cores will be end game. For most gamers over 25 itll be the perfect system for windows/android daulboot. Windows for PC games Android for emulation Phone+android controller mount for easy access gaming for windows/android is a dream come true.

[@mikiswordbreaker4805]

The new Red Magic Nova tablet sure is a steal..running those and with its large sized..cooling is small matter..

[@VictorGomes33]

At this point I don't know why Steam and Google haven't team up already and made a official "Winlator" app and transformed every smartphone in the world in a Steam machine!

[@Skellyys]

I haven't touched Winlator in a while, but back when it released on version 1 or 2 I was able to get World of Warcraft Vanilla to run on my Galaxy S9+ with playable framerates (granted it was at a starting zone) But probably mostly playable. Now Im looking at the RedMagic 9 or 9S for my next phone... I just love watching WoW run on hardware that it shouldn't.

[@thelastofitskind3034]

PC emulation for android have come so far so fast and it's amazing I love it

[@jrno93]

Emulating demons souls is simply mind shattering. 10 years ago desktop cpus struggled to hit 60fps. Now mobile chips can emulate it no problem. Mind blown

[@primepikachu5]

recently I have been feeling overwhelmed with choice. So many games I can emulate and play whenever I want. I can't believe I can play Fallout New Vegas on my phone.

[@Randomness662]

I just got my ZFlip6 in the mail this past Friday, and I thought I was already hitting the limit of what was possible by running No Man's Sky on Winlator. I had the thought "Hopefully by the 8Gen4 or 8Gen5 we can run RCPS3 on Winlator!" Nope. Turns out Qualcomm is just fucking crazy. All I need is an overclock... And not a flip phone lmao

[@GuteRapper]

Thank you for all that :)

[@gamnrd]

10:10 I heard you like emulators so we got an emulator inside an emulator inside an emulator 😂

[@notreallyhim]

Great video

[@LukasTaves]

That's insane, but with active cooling needed + the battery drainage that would come out of that I think I still prefer remote/cloud gaming. Can't really use when traveling, but for commute in the city or being stationary it's already perfect even with 4G

[@DarkAbyss9]

This makes the Odin and other devices a great buy now

[@twotonepostmalone2239]

What i don't think is talked about is the size of these games and how much space it takes up on the phone. You could run out of room faster than expected with PC size game files.

[@markdavenportjr5129]

IF this keeps up I bet we will have Windows os BACK on smartphones with the ability to play PC games. :)

[@Unicornpirate]

This will further boost PS2 and Switch emulation on Android

[@die_lokki287]

Not windows - Wine Wine is not an emulator This is not emulating anything. This is a layer of compatibility with real-time retranslation like Rosetta in MacOS, which, in fact, makes things shown even more impressive

[@manu1995007]

Hi Taki @TakiUdon, can you cover if disabling game optimization (GOS) service on S24 Ultra makes a difference in Mobox x86 emulator. I have definitely seen a noticeable improvement in ps2/wii emulation quality and native games after disabling GOS, but you might be able to make a more detailed video on this. It's sad that after spending 1000+ dollars on a device, Samsung pulls this kind of stuff. Thanks a lot for your awesome videos.