Talaria Sting R MX4 Review from a 72v Sur Ron owner!

[@rwolfcastle]

The aftermarket on the Talaria is pretty strong. Anything you want to do to a Sur Ron can be done to the Talaria. The Sur Ron definitely has a wider selection of the same parts, but TBH I haven't found anything lacking in the Talaria aftermarket. The reason I went with the MX3 (purchased back in '21) was because of the gearbox and the ability to fit a 100/90-19 in the rear without trimming. For me, the gearbox is necessary since I ride woods, enduro, and single track where mud would be a major issue for a belt drive. Regardless, ride what you have, have fun, and don't worry about what others are riding. My friend's MX4 arrives today so I'm pretty pumped to compare it to my MX3 especially when we hit the woods.

[@JuicedJoyrides]

awesome, and great point on the gearbox for offroad riding. Specifically the thing that might not me compatible is a controller upgrade and tune since it is IPM motor that is different then the surron motor, but largely yes there is a healthy aftermarket selection for both ebikes. happy riding!

[@ElationProductions]

Yeah, I bought one about a year ago, and just recently was surprised at how much the aftermarket support increased over the course of a year.

[@mconradb]

I have the MX4. I've been upgrading the crap out of it. At this point, I'm just going to purchase another frame for about $850, and a gearbox for $350, then use all of the OEM parts I have taken off to build a complete second bike, so my friends can ride with me. The bike is awesome! I love it! Even completely stock, it's really impressive. All the surron fanboys say there is no aftermarket support, but that's completely not true. And, there are more parts available every day. Just waiting for a rear control arm to come out. The bike will probably cost me 13-14k when it's done, but upgrading it is half the fun. And did I mention, it's AWESOME!

[@Taboloncawonthemasters]

Can I get a update?

[@LarryRichelli]

The Talaria is a much better bike. Stronger frame and the gear box instead of the belt is a huge upgrade.

[@NEVETSTEVEN510]

You surron guys are so funny… The difference is the R IS STOCK!!! It’s out the box … $14K VS. $4,500 ✋ it!

[@RCTurbo79]

So its Way better than the Surron then,thanks I'll be going for the Talaria for sure cheers dude😊

[@JuicedJoyrides]

basically yes

[@jpwrx199]

Nice video. But you have to compare apples to apples. Obviously a 72 v system is going to outperform a 60V. Im purchasing a Talaria R. Keep up the good content

[@JuicedJoyrides]

Thanks man, definitely, I would do the same if I was buying one today, hope they come out with a sweet controller upgrade soon, enjoy!

[@MrJamessjones]

@@JuicedJoyrides They have the EBMX-9000 CONTROLLER for the RMX-4, and they have 72-volt battery's ...

[@TalariaRider001]

Yeah it’s not fair to compare a stock bike to a upgraded bike, but the mx4 is a nice performance bike my top speed is 56mph

[@lamar310]

My Talaria String R is available for pickup at Luna Cycle today. The performance out of the box is good enough for me as a first time ebike owner.

[@JuicedJoyrides]

Heck yeah, you’re going to have a blast!

[@benyoung3240]

when did you order it

[@wrjames38]

​@@benyoung3240 I ordered on first drop when Luna oversold, Got my Sting R delivered to San Diego yesterday.

[@Inventi0ns]

did they assemble it for you or was it in the box?

[@ItalianMetalHED]

once i cut the wire to mine constant grins, i cant wait to test it on trails.

[@calijudoable]

I just sold my two light bees I got from Luna a few years back and ordered the talaria sting r and an ultra bee as an upgrade for my son and I from china and saved a lot of money.

[@noahsmith173]

Where do you order from China?

[@calijudoable]

@@noahsmith173 I paid a little extra for the US chargers. I asked them to include the stock chargers since I do have a 220v outlet. I wanted both options so I paid the extra 150

[@calijudoable]

@@noahsmith173 I added the sting r and ultra bee to a cart at a USA reseller and it was $12000 after taxes

[@RSR423]

Of course your Sur Ron is going to be faster with more power, due to you spending $1000's on after market upgrades. What you should do is get a out of the box Sur Ron and compare that to the out of the box Talaria. Going on what we've seen its pretty obvious that if you upgraded the MX4 the same I'd bet money that it would piss all over the Sur Ron.

[@jcasaubon]

Man now we have a talaria XXX.. you’re gonna need a bigger warehouse for all these bikes!!

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😆

[@gregorypatzelt6964]

Man its a really tough choice between the sting r and the sur ron. Sur ron has such a huge aftermarket of parts. Easier to find install videos etc. Still its really hard to argue against the talaria sting r for the same price.

[@Talariamx4]

talaria got wide selection of aftermarket parts too bro ...

[@quadrokatze4286]

I am team talaria, cause i am 185cm tall. At surron without extra parts i think i am a giant at a bike for kids ;)

[@leodigiacomo]

Have you done a side by side comparison between the solar e-clipse and the talaria?

[@LarryRichelli]

Something that you have not upgraded your front fork. The Talaria MX4 comes with a decent fork. I have an older sur ron and instead of dumping huge amounts of money like you have thinking of selling it and buying an MX4. Also one can get the BAC 4000 that is already available as is the battery bypass.

[@oldschoolrock4evr]

is the Talaria mx4 the same as the TL-4000 ?

[@fxxc777]

Yea

[@PonjaLanka]

Did you cut the limiter?

[@SimplicityForGood]

ok, been looking around at various websites selling Talaria in Europe.. it seems like there are several different models, or t least different model names?.. how many models do they really have now in 2023? one model called XxX, but I cannot see it on the websites but it show up on KZbin, and then one model called MX and another L1E... and her you show one called MX4? How many are they and what are really their differences now? thanks for getting back! and is Suron really out of question for 2023 in comparison to other brands? 🤔

[@fxxc777]

L1E is a street legal version. You can get it registered

[@craiganthony3824]

What’s your tuning on your 72v Surron. Field weakening , kw.. etc

[@blakecardenas2973]

The way you say sur RoN is bothersome

[@paulaxton72]

KO makes a myriad of parts for talaria the rest is just measurement parts as far as suspension and brakes but upgrading batteries and controller units motors all available for Talaria

[@songsyluc]

Stock for Stock, Sur Ron is not even close to the performance, course it wont compare to a built 72v Surron that you put $10K into it =P

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😆 for sure, talaria is the way to go bang for buck, that’s what I’d get if I was buying a new bike today

[@q5echo154]

Cant tell if luna rep really hated his job or his girlfriend at that particular time.

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😆

[@icarusflys6856]

What would you guys recommend for someone who’s 240lbs 6’3 dude

[@onceuponareset-ho7fg]

The UFC.

[@NukeJesus]

That bike also does have the speed wire cut…

[@ismevictor7289]

u should make another wheelie vid it was awesome

[@JuicedJoyrides]

thanks, I might, but honestly im not the best at wheelies still

[@nicholasbonis9861]

@@JuicedJoyrides he was messing with you... dude you're a real life barney

[@TalariaRider001]

The mx4 is cheaper then the surron x

[@hustlasstory7611]

Sounds so loud tho??

[@vapeurdepisse]

Hard to go stealth on this

[@izzyez1870]

Take a shot every time he says 72v Surron , we get it you're surron has 72v LOL

[@JuicedJoyrides]

84v on a full charge 😜⚡️

[@izzyez1870]

@@JuicedJoyrides EPIC LOL

[@MrRyanlevi]

"72 volt surron"

[@Wicked11111]

This was a bad review

[@JuicedJoyrides]

🙏

[@banesbox]

Brand new slightly used.

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😂

[@agoogleuser7784]

The way you pronounce “Surron” makes me cringe lol

[@mikehoncho2949]

Compare stock to stock man

[@tellthetruth7497]

No one commenting how annoying it is that says “Sir Ron” and not surron 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Chat_is_this_real]

😭

[@bandwagon240]

I'm on day 2 with mine, loving it so far.

[@JuicedJoyrides]

Sweeet, losing your PEVirginity is the most fun you’ll ever have on these ⚡️😜

[@bandwagon240]

@@JuicedJoyrides oh, I've had other ebikes...nothing that compares to these things though.

[@dukedub]

Ordered my own. How you liking it few weeks later?

[@Boris_Chang]

I don’t want to take my eyes off the road to try to read a wristwatch-size gauge next to the left handgrip. I’d pay extra to have a nice, readable little dashboard.

[@13eat13boxes]

Mad you spent 10k and they released something better for 4.5k 🤡 😢

[@ronaldthorpe2335]

The stock mx4 is way slower than a 72v surron

[@leroyapplegate5049]

And it’s mad that you’re jealous of another man’s financial choices 🤡

[@PonjaLanka]

Why you mad about someone else spending their money if you broke just say that…

[@fazesw2343]

You spend over 10k for surron 72v stock talaria R is better without upgrades

[@Reall]

Just bought a talaria 3 days ago and already got 180km on it 😂😂

[@meowmix4life86]

I've been there in person twice and was told both times that they don't offer test rides, even for their more basic offerings such as the Luna Banana. I guess they are more accommodating if you show up in a modded Sur Ron and have a KZbin channel... or maybe they were just feeling friendly that day? I ended up buying from ONYX instead (also in El Segundo) in part because I was actually able to do test rides there. Been interested in buying from Luna for over a year since I live in the area, but I get a kinda unfriendly vibe from them which pushed me away. I am afraid of what the customer support would be like.

[@JuicedJoyrides]

Dang, yeah I agree it can be a mixed vibe there, sometimes it feels like they’re smoking something 😆

[@jettreeve5631]

it weighs more than a stock surron but the talaria come stock with peg brace and a bigger battery, you would have to pay an extra few hundred dollars more to get a surron to this level.

[@maxbennedich1119]

How would you compare it to the Solar E-Clipse?

[@JuicedJoyrides]

Different animals, the talaria seems more nimble and agile with its shorter wheel base and true mid drive motor vs the swing arm mounted and longer wheelbase of the eclipse. The eclipse has a much larger battery so you’ll get much more range. The talaria has much more ground clearance and is truly a dirtbike whereas the eclipse feels best suited for street riding and higher speed cruising. I’ll be posting another eclipse video in several days, I boosted the top speed and let a stranger borrow it… who crashed it 😆 will be entertaining

[@MotoAlias]

The talaria is a far more capable bike off road. The solar eclipse right out if the box is orib a better road bike tho the talaria has more potential and available parts if you ever need to fix or replace sumn.

[@MotoAlias]

​@@JuicedJoyrides I was the one that told you about turning the power up on the eclipse. Kind of funny someone wrecked it hopefully it's not too damaged, I've seen to many surron test rides end in looping the bike to ever let anyone try my bike especially not with the power cranked up.

[@howardmr90]

8:05 “it feels powerful-er” 😂😂😂😂😂😂 review meant nothing after that comment

[@malingehring165]

You were doing 30 mph while passing pedestrians on a walking trail? Dude. Stay off of bike paths when on a motorcycle.... Especially when it is marked on the pavement "10 mph"

[@paullynch1938]

I think you had made you mind up before you rode it, you just love surrons dude let’s be honest

[@JuicedJoyrides]

I mean the 72v Sur Ron is just more powerful in every way, but my build costs twice as much, I wasn’t comparing stock to stock really, I don’t even remember what a stock Ron feels like any more

[@paullynch1938]

@@JuicedJoyrides I bet yours take off like a rocket mate so I must admit it’s easy to favour the Ron, cool video dude

[@paullynch1938]

@@JuicedJoyrides oh I meant to say as well mate do they come with the blue graphics already on cause I think they look ace all black 👍🏻

[@VoltedAdventures]

Thats cool that they let you test drive it

[@JuicedJoyrides]

indeed 🤙

[@xavierfelix2146]

I don’t get why you’re comparing a 10k bike completely upgraded to a stock one? It should be suron vs talaria stocks. Lol

[@tknighttt]

It’s because it’s understood that stock Talaria beats stock Surron

[@Na-du8gp]

Lets go, i was going to ask u to make a video abt this earlier today

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😆 done ✅

[@MotoAlias]

Looks like the seat is aftermarket, also the mud flap protecting the rear shock looks added. Like you kept saying it's heavier and its definitely noticeable I think the surron probably is worlds easier to wheelie. It's gotta be easier to pull up and control and balance a bike half your weight. Whereas the talaria is closer to my body weight. I think it makes for a better off roading platform tho. And they already have controllers and batteries all kinds of stuff for the talaria.

[@zl1rdnz]

If you are reviewing a Talaria why do you spend 80% of the video speaking about the bloody SurOn? This was not a review but a comparison and I can not help feeling you had already made up your mind..... one of your worst videos Matt.

[@zairen99]

I just accidentally just bought one 😅 idk why i linked my card hopefully its better decision than the surron

[@russwoodward8251]

Luna Cycle has lots of great bikes. Great review, thanks!

[@evan_leche]

the only deciding factor for me with the talaria sting r vs sur ron is the weight. I am not sure what to get. I want to be able to jump the bike and whip it around but I am on 5'7 and 120lbs what do you guys think I shoudl get?

[@JuicedJoyrides]

The Sur Ron is lighter, a big part of that is the smaller battery I’m sure. Tough call!

[@Luke-g7l]

I don't think the brown wires been cut on this one that's why it's not as powerful

[@m_sync8234]

Nice! Thanks for the review and opinions on this vs the solar eclipse. Just ordered this one 👍

[@JuicedJoyrides]

Sweeet you’re gonna love it ⚡️🤙

[@YoungWise2011]

Man I was dead set on the solar eclipse then I saw this and 1500 cheaper. I ordered it should he here early June. Going to order the 72v 57ah battery I guess I'll need a different controller any recommendations for controller? Was looking at this to buy first the batter downn the road.

[@Branmuffin878]

If you were to pick Talaria or solar eclipse out of box which one would you pick?

[@JuicedJoyrides]

that's a tough call. being that I already basically have a surron, probably the eclipse because it serves a different purpose than the sting/surron. I have another video coming soon. the eclipse feels more like a commuter, the sting feels like a dirt bike

[@Watts_garage]

Do not pick the eclipse there’s zero support for that bike

[@Branmuffin878]

​@@Watts_garage what do you mean support like any mods for it ?

[@mikehawkswollen5819]

Actually it's $300 cheaper than a surron light bee x

[@vystaz]

are these things road legal? i know they're dirtbikes but they seem like top tier grocery getters

[@horsepastedelish]

just ride it unassumingly and respect your surroundings, no one's going to stop you.

[@ubroberts5541]

@@horsepastedelishGreat tip. Obey traffic laws and keep it under 30 MPH and you should be fine.

[@hudsonredmond5601]

I don't think you mentioned you have a 72v SURRR on

[@frankfons904]

dude why are trying to compare a moded surron to a stock talaria lol

[@jasoncable8789]

be nice to have a housing unit with a mini drone for deployment

[@Jeffs_RCS]

I wonder if they kept the limiter on it, so thats why it would feel slow

[@unluckyeddie6967]

question i just got a 72v 60ah, and when i was riding around 40-48 mph my bike was cutting out a lil i could fix it by pulling back the throttle im i using to high of a KW or is it more then that?

[@russellcontracting1]

I just sold 11k surron to buy my 2nd sting r

[@hri613]

hey man, im 14 and I was wondering.. In the bay area (california) am i allowed to ride this? or even like the talaria string r or surron X?

[@calijudoable]

Nice video, i couldn’t find any comments about the green wire. I’m sure you rode it without the green wire cut right? I’m wondering if you rode it unleashed.

[@amerb313]

Help me out should I get the talaria R or the solar eclipse

[@JuicedJoyrides]

Talaria R

[@amerb313]

@@JuicedJoyrides really wow I thought you would of picked the solar

[@ItalianMetalHED]

the added weight is the upgraded battery 45ah vs 38 on sur ron etc. It has a gearbox vs belt pulley. I love my sting and will upgrade once i get it paid off lol. A lot of upgrades have already been applied and they fixed many of the complaints of sur ron and previous talaria so the appeal is strong!! Cut the wire and it will be a wheelie monster! My seat doesnt have the red etching though....did i get ripped? There are a lot of parts for this btw, many of the sur ron parts will work on here too.

[@Erad3r]

Hello, how tall are you man?

[@JuicedJoyrides]

6’5”

[@horsepastedelish]

It would cool to see you do other offerings from lunacycle, they have a nice balance of price, quality, and tech. You're lucky you live right down the street.

[@metonicycle6294]

Powerfuler

[@JuicedJoyrides]

I make new words on occasion

[@Watts_garage]

Naw this bikes a beast but you thought that shitty eclipse bike was good 🧐

[@JuicedJoyrides]

in stock form it's fine, I feel like the sting r and e-clipse are about the same acceleration, sting r is more of a stunt bike feel, e-clipse is a better street cruiser. is it worth $6k is the real question to ask. the sting r is a great value in the ebike space. I boosted the e-clipse top speed, new video in 32 mins.

[@YoungWise2011]

Man I just ordered the sting r was originally going for the solar eclipse but I thought I'd save some money and get a 72v 57ah battery down the road. Do you think I made the right decision ?

[@JuicedJoyrides]

I think you made the right choice

[@Nuvinci88]

Is it true that they still haven’t solved the problem with the battery loose in the compartment?

[@curbwhiz2010]

The long story is that u are an ebike diva... Nice review

[@YoungWise2011]

Ordered the ebmx x-9000 controller and will go for a 72v in a couple momths. Hoping to bypass battery and be able to hot 60mph. Thats the goal

[@JuicedJoyrides]

Haha very nice 👍

[@cygnus6623]

Today, 11/21/2023, the Sting R MX4 is $3000! Not sure why the big price drop, but it would be hard to justify a Surron for sure with a $3k price on the Talaria. They have a model with a 'better' inverted fork, 4 colors to choose from, and possibly some other things for just $100 more. Likely going to order mine soon.

[@1timmeh]

Where are you seeing that? Was it only a Christmas sale?!

[@dreknows]

What regen level is it on that will affect wheelies

[@vapeurdepisse]

Seems pretty weak

[@southbaymademe]

Can I use a different battery for the pedal electric awd 3 ? They are out of batteries and I want to take it to catalina with a extra battery thank you

[@JuicedJoyrides]

As long as it’s the same voltage, which is 48v you shouldn’t have a problem, may need a connector adapter

[@FreshRides]

they probably haven't cut the factory cable to unlock the power on that showroom one

[@JuicedJoyrides]

Perhaps, I could ask, but I’m guessing it’s fully unlocked with the speeds I could reach

[@lunacyclerepair]

yes the brown wire on this bike is cut.

[@mattwalker2818]

Great, now I'm walking around saying "72V Sur-Ron" for no damn reason...

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😂

[@homepc1527]

Would you says it’s about on par with the surron with a bac 4000 and a bypassed stock battery

[@JuicedJoyrides]

That’s probably a good relevant comparison actually, although the talaria can do it for longer since it has more battery capacity

[@SS-ln3dg]

Nice review it looks fun

[@teddy_123.]

Hi

[@JuicedJoyrides]

👋

[@taatoken]

waiting for your video to be the final review for why I buy one!

[@JuicedJoyrides]

😆 nice, gonna grab it?

[@OPkingLmao]

But aren’t you going up hill ?

[@JuicedJoyrides]

yes, in some clips but it in general didnt feel quiet as powerful as I was expecting, but it was good!

[@ChainGuard707]

Nice vid can i make a youtube short on this video?

[@JuicedJoyrides]

Honestly, I probably won’t.

[@ChainGuard707]

@@JuicedJoyrides Ok to respect what you say i wont make a youtube short on it!

[@syncranize4388]

The one they allowed you to use is probably without the brown wire cut.

[@JuicedJoyrides]

I mean, it hit 55 on a downhill, I guess I need to stop by and ask but I’m guessing this was full power

[@syncranize4388]

@@JuicedJoyrides I see let me know what they say

[@lunacyclerepair]

the bike in the video definitely has its brown wire cut...

[@Chat_is_this_real]

Def has the wire cut

[@Twobarpsi]

Looks like a good deal! Fast, but not scary fast, which is good! I'd love to see you range test this to the Hollywood sign and back 🤙👍!!

[@JuicedJoyrides]

haha, not sure they would allow that, and its also a good bit further to the Hollywood sign from the location of luna cycle shop

[@Tommy_Irish]

I'm 6'5. Can I get a seat extender for this bike?

[@JuicedJoyrides]

im not sure, but you can for surron