I Tried 7 "NEW" Brakes On My SURRON

[@Joe-72]

I love the way you understand and adapt your speech to all kinds of riders and needs and weights (road, track, weights). Bravo ! And thanks a lot. Subtle and clear. (I'm more in your league in terms of weight and I understand that I may not need the volarsport on a sting R on road, even after driving 1000cc bikes for decades).

[@julienglasse23]

This is one of the best videos about e-bike/emoto brakes

[@landonlewis5918]

I use the bronze mavens! The difference is the adjustment. The power is the same across the levels, but some titanium in the ultimate. Huge recommend 🙂

[@Talariaboys]

Awesome! Good to know!

[@HummerH-mo4cs]

With the mavens do you lose ability to have the break light on. And when brake lever is applied do you still retain the motor cut off ?

[@Talariaboys]

Yes you lose both of those

[@reedsrc1447]

I’m running the volar sports and by far are just amazing

[@Talariaboys]

Sweeeeeet

[@TechLineHD]

Amazing video, thanks guys! I'm still running stock brakes on my Sting R and I really need an upgrade. I will choose between Sram Maven and the Trp DHR Evo. However, in Europe where I live, Hope Tech has great reputation so it's not easy to choose

[@Talariaboys]

You'd be happy with any of those options man, just pick one!

[@simianstyle3746]

One thing you guys forgot to mention was that you'll lose your brake light functionality and the motor cut out. I know a lot of people hate the latter. But there's a number of us who have street versions and would like to keep the stock brake light functionality.

[@benni16it]

you can use all of these breaks, just add a sensor. Will work for the break light for sure, motor cut not sure.

[@BoozySZN]

That's what brake light sensors are for...

[@armyca]

Volar sport brakes has an option for brake sensors. I use them.

[@x0jamiex0]

You can add the sensor back easily by just zip tying it onto handle and a magnet where the brake lever depresses and you now have working brake light and motor cut out again and takes less than 2 min I’ve done it to my trps and regen throttle

[@marrzie467]

@@x0jamiex0You wouldn’t happen to have any link to a how to? I need brake lights on my L1E

[@peedee4065]

The issue with Hayes Dominions is not that they are made for 1.8mm rotors. Hayes D Series rotors (their latest made for use with the Dominion) are 1.95mm. I even have Dominions working o.k. on my XXX with 2.3mm rotors. The problem is that the Dominions have a very high hydraulic ratio (size difference between the master cylinder piston and the caliper pistons, the bigger the difference the greater the ratio). This means that it takes a lot of pull to move the pistons, and hence pad clearance is minimal. Therefore, the same minimal pad clearance issue exists even with mtb rotors that are thinner. Which I experienced on my mtb running 2mm rotors when I had the Dominions on there before I transferred them to the XXX. Again, the issue is not the rotor thickness. Yes, the Dominions are not going to work with rotors thicker than 2.3mm, so there's that. Besides the minimal pad clearance another issue with the Dominions is that they come with a tiny 1-finger lever. They're strong but could be a lot stronger with a better lever that gives a greater mechanical ratio. As it is, they work great for mountain bikes, but they are dainty for emotos.

[@vandamn72]

Trp dh evo just the best for the price. At the end of the day I only want to change pads and have no issues. Thats what these do.. great feel too.. imo.

[@colbywishneski5800]

Do you guys tend to upgrade the rotors or leave them stock. Is there much improvement that comes with upgrading rotors for the mtb style brakes?

[@Talariaboys]

We do upgrade them for ultimate performance, there is a noticeable difference but not as big as getting upgraded brakes.

[@scottryana]

I think the Hope Tech4 V4’s are a little under represented in this review just simply because they don’t have much time on the brakes but a few key points. They can use a 220mmx3.3mm vented rotor, they can be had with braided lines, they can run upgraded DOT 5.1 fluid, and they have multiple brake pad variations. I think they are the best of the best when talking about mtb brakes.

[@Talariaboys]

Good to know👍 we need to spend more time on them

[@landonlewis5918]

Glad sram maven made the list😄😄. Been running them, they are so great!

[@JoBrownFlow]

The Volar Sport kit brings 3mm thick floating rotors, thats why its more expensive... The other kits are just rotors (is that correct?)... Besides the price its more than just "moto stye brakes". They are the only purpose build brakes for these bikes (130lb vs 30lb MTB). They are the only brake that does not overheat when ridden hard... If you have an upgraded bike and ride/brake hard all the other brakes will fail/fade.

[@Bengy22]

Thank you for the great video, glad to here opinions on all these brakes. And one thing was consistent, Sram Mavens!

[@Talariaboys]

Yessir

[@ShiranaiOki]

At last! Thx bros for that video!

[@PROTOTYPEKILLER]

Thank you so much for this honest review

[@m16mvp]

I have been hearing that the SRAMs are really hard pull is this true

[@m1lkbb908]

I got the volar sport brakes a few days after they were released and they are just an amazing brake set and well worth 1000$

[@Talariaboys]

Glad you are loving them! Thanks for watching

[@phat56pat]

One thing I feel it wasn’t touched on is with the volar sport you get thick rotors not you have to have or use the rotors because that’s an advantage not running thin rotors. They are going to be coming out with a rotor for the rear that’s 228mm and Works with the older warp nine wheels, warp nine now has dual drilled hubs So you can run the rear surron rotors. Also, if you add rotors and brackets to every single one of those other brakes set ups, and then compare the braking to the volar sport nothing can compare. And you’re not much off on price. Pub the pivot point on the lever will stop the squeak

[@clu801]

I would be curious to know how the Ultra Bee brake kit sold on Prickly for the LBX would do. Great vid.

[@RVArider]

Same been looking at those

[@charliehowe7127]

I have volar sport and I love them!!!

[@cingkole7893]

Great review!

[@Talariaboys]

THX

[@MarkFries-o7n]

Love the Maven brakes

[@Talaria567]

Can you do a maven install video? Would like to see how the two rear levers work.

[@Talariaboys]

I think we will. We will be installing 2 more soon lol

[@Talaria567]

Will you be selling mavens?

[@HummerH-mo4cs]

@@Talariaboys Thanks for the videos. Yes please do a install vid using two rear mavens, seems likely you will have to cut the hose for the front to fit and maybe bleed them ?? Do the break levers have the emblem on BOTH side ?? Thanks again

[@johnschall3013]

Bro, is it laundry day? Great review. I just ordered the Mavens.

[@Talariaboys]

Sweeeet

[@Noname-ym1iq]

Well done Men and a big thank you for this test! Question; Will 2.3mm rotors fit SRAM MAVEN brakes ?

[@Talariaboys]

Thanks! Yes 2.3mm work great with the Mavens, that’s what we are using with them

[@Noname-ym1iq]

@@Talariaboys Ok, Thanks Guys!

[@the_mtb_shredder]

I feel like nobody talks about the new formula cura emoto specific brakes. A little over 500 dollars for the full set plus some rippin moto 250mm rotors might be the best all around brake setup.

[@Talariaboys]

Hopefully we can try them someday

[@chazcarpenter1559]

Any mods needed for that set up? Or are those brakes a simple “plug and play” install?

[@Amateur2k]

I watched the channel non-stop last month, I wanted so so much to buy a Surron. Today I went to a testing camp to test one. Right after 5 minutes I slipped on wet grass. My knee is out, surgery coming, 5 months of bed and therapy estimated. Good luck you boys, hope you will not loose your arms, feet or worse. These are NOT toys. Praying for your safety 🙏

[@Talariaboys]

Dang man that's horrible! So unlucky, hopefully you can heal quickly

[@Sudan_global_editing]

Love your videos keep up the good work on my last comment you suggested that I should get a e ride pro ss and I will can you tell me the best upgrades not money limit I also have a 3d printer can you suggest some stuff that I could print

[@Talariaboys]

I replied to your other comment my man! Shoot us an email [e-mail]

[@nicksoup]

I loved the video although I don't think I'm to a point "yet" where I want to upgrade my brakes, however I have a question I am hoping you can help me with. I have an E-ride Pro SS and my front brake line got a little kink in it at the spot where it is zip tied to the fork protector from the factory. I thought it was a good spot and also added my own zip ties and thought I was good. Now after the getting the kink, the front brake slips a little and also is not consistent, meaning I can pull it 3 times and it'll apply stopping power 1/3 times. I think one or more pistons may be sticking, since when braking force is pplkied, it lingers after I let go of the brake lever. My actual question is what type of brake line or hose do I need to replace it? I know it's probably covered under warranty but I don't think it'd be a hard fix, plus replacements are on backorder through e-ride, I already have a bleed kit, I just have no idea what to search for, my lever is fine, the disc and caliper is fine, I just need to replace the hose/line. Any help would be much appreciated!

[@robmccabe8736]

Another awesome video. Thank you for the infjim. Then the next video I would like you guys to do is a headlight test cause I'm thinking of buying a new headlight. I want the best one I do a lot of single track trails in thick trees at night. I need to see. Thanks guys rob from vancouver canada❤

[@5etz3r]

It was the first upgrade on my MX4, I went with the warp 9 high output headlight. I had to order it from the USA (I'm in ontario canaduh), but I absolutely love it. The stock dual lens is perfect, one is long distance away, and one is short and wide. Combined its just a really great and full illumination. The "off" setting is this blue pilot glow, this is subtlety visible but doesn't "shine" at all. Its very slick. And best of all is just the shape and aesthetic of it. Its very similar in size to the stock light. I prefer its size and shape over the gritshift blinder or whatever. I never see anyone with this headlight (maybe its new?) but the boys got it on their bikes in this video. I just bought it on a whim hoping I would like it, and I honestly love it. My first warp 9 purchase and its a definite winner.

[@Talariaboys]

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[@Talariaboys]

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[@_kwak]

Please review a Gucci Surron vs stock Landmoto Ohio made E-Moto. You can register with the DOT. Rip it off road too, I would love to see it. Kitted out online it was 9k and that seems fair given all these Gucci Surrons are typically ~10k. Relevancy: it comes with Moto style breaks instead of dinky bike breaks and you wont need to upgrade it. Edit: I understand that these cycle style ebikes are lighter and can have some advantages in that regard. The Landmoto weighs over 200lbs so I do understand it won't be as "nimble" but I would still be extremely curious.

[@dreknows]

Hey guys was curious what should i do I bought the heavy Hitter conversion kit with rotor the p32 brembos and magura 167 can you tell me how this compares as I'm not supercrazy driver but would like better than stock do you recommend i sell my set ang get one of these? Also i have a talaria mx4 i do mostly lighter riding but i do hit hills small jumps etc but in any case can you guys tell me your experience with the ones i bought if you have any. Also dos this affects the regen? No right since that's built into motor? I sorry for dumb questions send thanks

[@realkidcarter]

broo i want those brembos, for sure the best you can get

[@mikehawkswollen5819]

Great tips

[@e75short14]

Please do budget brakes episode as well

[@SurFrankenRon]

Budget brakes work for bikes with no power upgrades. If there's any power upgrades, don't go cheap on brakes

[@Marcus19oo4]

Slx 4 piston

[@El_Guap]

Please, please please keep a recommending full face helmet to kids. You guys provide some of the best information on the Internet regarding bikes like this. And I love it. But all the kids out there look up to you guys so much . I guess it’s not your responsibility to push these things. But the kids look up to you. Start pushing more full face helmets for every child on a dirtbike or even a regular electric bike Make sure they know that gloves with sliders are important Keep up the good work I love the content

[@RDT_IR]

I crashed head first into a wash wall at 15MPH on my MX3 after the stock brakes had faded and if I hadn't been wearing a Klim F3 full-face, I'd still be in the hospital with a wired jaw and broken neck.

[@realkidcarter]

always knew those lewis brakes were gonna be no good, 6piston or the 8piston too, they literally use hope tech mtb pads still.

[@teeribbzz11]

HOPETECH 🎉 are greattttt

[@BrassStacks]

With the Lewis LH4s, could the brake line be expanding? Do you have a braided cable you can switch out to test? I can't think of what else would allow that to happen. There's no leaking oil, no air in the line, that fluid is going somewhere. Maybe the lines are just junk??

[@Austinpattyy]

I dont even have braided cables and i havent had any issues with mine, wheelies and downhill trails

[@BrassStacks]

@@Austinpattyy Hmmm... I wonder what is going on with their set. It's good to know that you have some good ones, especially if they stand behind their product and replace any with their issues. I'm just really curious about what is happening. There's gotta be some movement in there somewhere.

[@peedee4065]

@@BrassStacks It's as @sunspot-19 said above: the fluid is bypassing. When you don't have external leaks but the lever keeps coming to the bar (and it's not due to air) then the fluid inside the master cylinder is leaking past the compression piston back into the reservoir. Basically the seal on the end of the piston isn't doing it's job, either due to a fault in the seal or due to excessive tolerances between the seal and its bore.

[@edgygli9876]

Thanks for the info. Can you recommend a color display for a MX4? Can’t see the stock display when in motion. The numbers are too small. Thanks.

[@Talariaboys]

lunacycle.com/talaria-large-color-display-for-xxx-and-mx4/?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw4f6zBhBVEiwATEHFVoCVmxTUXmtXwwLOs44CafY1W-UNE3uovOjPRSrKi_5hvHSRxsPNgRoC6MYQAvD_BwE

[@jeanbuzzbp3116]

love your videos can u please recommend things to to after buying an eride pro v2 please ex grips or bracks ect

[@Talariaboys]

this is perfect for you tbelectricmoto.com/products/e-ride-pro-ss-must-do-first-upgrades-tier-1

[@modquad18]

Man, I’m surprised we don’t have some sort of electrical brake. Like regen but dump the power into a resister. Also, been meaning to ask you what position you run the pegs in an eride Pro SS? I’m about your height and I feel like I want them fully forward.

[@JNacoustic]

What about a bracket for pitbike brake to go on stock rotors? Seems like an inexpensive and effective way to go.

[@Talariaboys]

There really isn't a bracket for that sadly

[@SonLe-gh3dz]

Electric cycle rider sells emoto specific brakes. Would you recommend them?

[@Talariaboys]

we have not tried them so we cant reccomend them

[@HummerH-mo4cs]

Group question please.. Has anyone replaced front and rear wheel hub bearings, Do we need to ? and what did you find to be the best if so ... Thanks all

[@Talariaboys]

You should replace them if your wheels have play or slop back and forth when your axles are all the way tight. We sell them at our online store and have a old video from our channel installing them. Ill link both below,kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHLVoXyjiNKGl8k tbelectricmoto.com/products/dirtybike-bearing-kit-front-wheel-surron-lbx-talaria-sting?_pos=1&_sid=3359fc4c2&_ss=r tbelectricmoto.com/products/dirtybike-bearing-kit-rear-wheel-surron-lbx-talaria-sting?_pos=3&_sid=3359fc4c2&_ss=r

[@HummerH-mo4cs]

@@Talariaboysthanks guys, I will be getting them tomorrow✌️

[@mr.taddel4282]

Yesterday i was driving steep downhill, after Like 500m the rear Brake doesnt work anymore, was Li Bit scary...

[@Talariaboys]

Oh shoot, time for an upgrade?

[@mr.taddel4282]

@@Talariaboys yees i have Shimano Pads at Home🐙

[@Sunspot-19]

Lewis brake may have a fault in the MC. Sounds like it is bypassing. That leads to a slow drop of the lever til you run out of lever. I am amazed that bicycle brakes are up to the task of stopping these E Moto's effectively and safely.

[@Talariaboys]

Ya they have issues that's for sure! These bicycle brakes are pretty much too powerful for mountain bikes, I came from that type of riding and never had brakes this powerful and never even came close to wanting them even riding hard downhil and enduro trails on long travel bikes.

[@Sunspot-19]

@@Talariaboys Towing package brakes aren't for everyone! Being from a trials background, the saying goes, if the brakes don't throw you through the windshield, they simply don't work.

[@shay_mx34]

Hey, I ordered a talaria xxx throttle extension from you and plugged it in and I’m just getting error code 37… I’ve unplugged it and plugged it back in made sure it was lined up and still same thing…

[@shay_mx34]

Edit: so I just watched your install video and I’m gonna try and cut a little slit opposite the arrow and push it in farther because I might not have pushed it in enough

[@Talariaboys]

Let us know if you are still having issues

[@DarnellBailey]

Send me the Lewis brakes , I’ll love them.

[@DarnellBailey]

Hahahaha I’m not kidding though 🥹😂

[@haydengreen4414]

What brakes would you guys recommend for all around riding (a bit more trail style riding through woods) for an ERIDE PRO SS? seems like a lot of comparability issues on my bike

[@Talariaboys]

I’d get the TRP DHR Evo for the E ride pro, that’s what we ended up putting on our hike after that video was filmed when we took the Lewis tech off. And I am loving them!

[@ChazGordonn]

I was wondering if you could test the Trumoto controller on a stock surron to see if there’s any performance increase

[@Talariaboys]

We probably won't be testing that one any time soon sorry!

[@jedidiahdukes5104]

Awesome video guys! But I was just wandering if you could do a in depth headlight install on the Talaria XXX. I really want the s2 Pro but I’m 15 and not certified for any installment for a headlight I would have to cut wire and connect. Please consider this and keep up the content.

[@1.crowder]

I’m 14 and have never dealt with anything electrical other than a few small solders. all you have to do is connect the wires and twist them not even solder/crimp. there is many diagrams on fb and the s2 comes with a diagram you’ll be able to figure it out.

[@abductedcow6635]

hey talaria boys love the videos i have a talaria sting r and a torp tc1k is the ewatt 72v 63a better than ebmx?

[@dustinlehmann3116]

It's the same, since ebmx, like others, rebrand ewatt

[@abductedcow6635]

@@dustinlehmann3116 ewatt seems way better

[@Talariaboys]

Hey man if you haven't bought a battery yet we don't recommend the EBMX or Ewatt batteries if you are using the TC1000, Torp just released a statement that for now they are not compatible together, we helped them realize this as we were having lots of issues. They will get it fixed but it will take time. If you have already ordered one shoot us an email to [e-mail] and we will help you figure out what is best

[@abductedcow6635]

@@Talariaboys oh i haven’t ordered yet thanks for letting me know are you planning on making a video about this ?

[@DawsonKissam]

Wassup from bountiful I’m on vacation to see family.

[@Alex-oy6wb]

Great video

[@Alex-oy6wb]

Which brakes are best for stock rotors on Surron LBX (trp or Hayes)?

[@Talariaboys]

TRP beats Hayes every time

[@pabloescobar5772]

What is the best wheeling brake from this video?

[@Talariaboys]

probably TRP or Shram Maven.

[@SotosV]

should i buy the talaria x3 or sting mx3 ?

[@Talariaboys]

both are good. id chose the X3

[@sadk152]

Is there a difference in stopping power between the sram maven bronze and the ultimate,

[@Talariaboys]

nope! just aesthetic

[@gayvirgo]

can you use the maven brakes on a stock talaria rotor?

[@Talariaboys]

Yes

[@dreknows]

@talariaboys Hey guys was curious what should i do I bought the heavy Hitter conversion kit with rotor the p32 brembos and magura 167 can you tell me how this compares as I'm not supercrazy driver but would like better than stock do you recommend i sell my set ang get one of these? Also i have a talaria mx4 i do mostly lighter riding but i do hit hills small jumps etc but in any case can you guys tell me your experience with the ones i bought if you have any. Also dos this affects the regen? No right since that's built into motor? I sorry for dumb questions send thanks

[@Evan-mtb-Ski]

What about maguras?

[@jeffreywalsh817]

What pads do you prefer?

[@Talariaboys]

defiantly these ones we use them whenever we can tbelectricmoto.com/products/mtx-upgraded-brake-pads

[@Austinpattyy]

So glad i got my Lewis tech early only spend 400 for the set and they work awsome wonder why yours suck that’s too bad haven’t had any heat issues and was able to get hope e4 pads work great on them

[@Talariaboys]

Nice man, glad they are working for you

[@joem8601]

Is it because the EP8 and EP6 come with resin pads? If you own the smaller Lewis EP4/LH4 caliper, it probably came with good sintered/metallic pads, slightly better than the ones that come with stock Surron brakes (Shiamno H03C is a good example to good pads that people upgraded to) most Surron owners eventually realize this and they tend to use only the best pads with their Maguras/Hope/Trps/stock brakes/whatever they're using. This could explain the difference and the problem he described in the video. Example: The difference between Magura 8.S (sport) pads and Magura 8.P (performance) pads is YOU hitting a car or not. The sport pads can lock the rotor and the performance pads just slide around the rotor no matter how hard you press when the force of the bike going forward exceeds the grip of the pads (when you brake hard) So, the most important thing for Surrons is to use the right brake pad that can bite/grip the rotor the most, the more you press your brakes.

[@seansaunders6476]

Any issues with the mavens with pressure loss or anything?

[@seansaunders6476]

And do they come bled?

[@Talariaboys]

No we haven’t had any issues, our first set is at 1300 miles of hard steep off-roading and we now have two more sets at 2-300 miles without issue. Yes they come bled. Make sure to order two rear brakes though.

[@seansaunders6476]

@@Talariaboysalso would they fit with the stock x3 rotor

[@supertalaria]

Why no LewisTech Ep8 in this video?! Probably the strongest out of all these.

[@Talariaboys]

The rear power really isn’t needed and we hated the 6 pistons and the 8 pistons use the same lever which we didn’t like.

[@supertalaria]

@@Talariaboys dang I may have to return my EP8 when they arrive for the Mavens then. Great info thanks 🤙

[@BoozySZN]

One component that shouldn't be cheaped out on with these bikes is brakes, i always tell friends to spend a decent amount on brakes.

[@Talariaboys]

good advice

[@LuisRodriguez-xd7hw]

SRAM fit in 250 disk

[@JNacoustic]

Have any of you guys ridden an ultra bee? The brakes on that thing are amazing and it cost about $80 for a caliper. Now I would spend $500 for front AND rear brakes that stopped like Ultra bee brakes. Well, the market charging $1,000 for an equivalent brake system is ridiculous, the real crime here is the fact that these bikes have the shittiest stock braking system ever.

[@Talariaboys]

yea we loooove the ultra bee brakes!

[@JNacoustic]

@@Talariaboys I couldn't believe how responsive they were.

[@tannerpeterson6214]

Have u guys ever gotten introubled driving the talarias I was recently given and impound warning riding my talaria on the road and the cop said that if he ever caught me again he would impound it ever happened to u guys are cops in Utah getting stricter?

[@amexemoor443]

The white on black is fire!!!! I don’t like you guys, yall making me spend too much money!!!!!

[@Talariaboys]

haha sorry about that

[@korenklonowski3231]

hi

[@Talariaboys]

Hi

[@mct8888]

Was hoping for the DEEPS to be on the list. Who is paying $500+ for brakes? DEEPS are $130, huge upgrade.

[@Talariaboys]

Actually lots of people are spending $500 on something that could save their life and stops them going 50 plus mph. Sorry the deeps weren’t on the list, we haven’t reviewed them and don’t really take the budget route on brakes.

[@JoBrownFlow]

All i read about Deeps are people having issues... Cheaper then factory MTB brakes.

[@sadk152]

deeps are NOT a huge upgrade, pretty lackluster

[@JNacoustic]

Spending $500+ on brakes is mind boggling if you consider that you can buy motorcycle brakes for much less. Hopefully someone comes up with a way to mount light weight moto brakes to these bikes, the mountain bike brake market is out of control lol.

[@johnschall3013]

Someone DID figure that out. Volar Sport…..

[@LilGdogggggg]

Under 200 views gang 👇

[@Talariaboys]

W

[@F83.M4]

IM GAE FOR TALARIA BOYS 👨‍❤️‍👨💅

[@Talariaboys]

oh brother

[@F83.M4]

@@TalariaboysOMG DADDY RESPONDED 😘

[@F83.M4]

LETS GO

[@subzero99613]

Surron is SHIT, buy a Ventus