Tales from The Hangman's Record. Episode Sixteen. James Smith - 28th November 1962 Manchester.

[@evilstorm5954]

It’s a PUNISHMENT not a deterrent. Justice served. Bring it back.

[@david-pb4bi]

Exactly, what is the point of keeping this sort of waste of space in jail?

[@robharding5345]

I have always insisted that its not the deterrent that matters, its the simple fact that we need justice, Deterrent is secondary,

[@david-pb4bi]

@@robharding5345 It’s all about revenge, can’t see anything wrong with that.

[@robharding5345]

@@david-pb4bi no, me neither.

[@chrissheppard5068]

and save millions.

[@1089maul]

Steve, thanks yet again for another interesting case! Bob

[@roytetwart]

Yet another 1st class video Steve. I know you put a lot of hard work together making these videos, but the additional detail makes all the difference. You must love what you do because it shows in the final product. Thank you.

[@ktkat1949]

You really have to admire the hard work and dedication of the police in searching out those fingerprints and finding those bits of glass. With all our fancy devices hard work and brains really does win the day. Another fine video. Thanks!

[@WareBare]

Great stuff mate fascinating absolutely love it keep em coming please

[@Carlbotten1971]

Another Great Presentation keep up the good work

[@jonathanwaterhouse1]

Marvellous thank you sir

[@terryroots5023]

Excellent as ever. The details of the investigations and forensics are greatly appreciated.

[@kevinkenny6975]

Thanks for another great story and well put together video Steve.

[@brt246]

Great commentary and detail . Thank You 😊👍

[@frootmcgoose3076]

Once again, Thankyou Steve

[@mauriceclark4870]

It's. Always been. A violent. World. And always. Will. Be .

[@HowardPage]

Another excellent video, enthralling as are your books!

[@UXB-p5u]

Once again brilliant top quality narration and presentation by Steve a veritable walking encyclopedia of such diverse cases of capital murder cases throughout the 20th Century. How no TV producer has yet approached Steve to offer a contract for a series of 'Tales From The Hangman's Record' is beyond me. They would be hugely popular and suit many interested parties!

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

@@UXB-p5u kind words indeed, thank you

[@UXB-p5u]

Always a pleasure 🙏

[@davidellis6337]

Hi Steve thanks for another interesting one hope you're well

[@These4walls05]

Thank you for your hard work in bringing these cases to light. ❤🇬🇧

[@tango6nf477]

Another great Job Sir!. This brings back some (not so long ago) memories of fingerprints. Before computerisation fingerprints were often sent to the Fingerprint Dept of the Metropolitan Police as they had the most comprehensive records and a world renowned team of experts. Its hard to believe today that the fingerprints were taken to the Railway Station where they were first handed to the BTP (British Transport Police) they would then see to it that they got to London where they were then handed onto a Metropolitan Officer who took them to Scotland Yard, all this done hand to hand. As you stated it could take some time depending on the urgency, today it takes seconds. Results were eagerly awaited as investigations were stalled until as suspect identified.

[@chriswood5859]

A cowardly murder, great tenacity by the police to solve the case. Cheers Steve, another great episode.

[@suepoole8323]

Fascinating... sat spellbound. The work done to do those reconstructions would have had me demented...love a good puzzle, but this was way beyond that .. Thanks Steve

[@Steven_Rowe]

I am always amazed at how thorough and methodical the police are , I can't begin to imagine how monotonous comparing finger prints would be back then compared to finger print recognition software of today .

[@1951GL]

If my memory serves me, Harry Allen was landlord of the Junction Hotel, Besses O'th Barn and later the Rope and Anchor at Fleetwood. Burnley outplayed Tottenham for some 60 minutes in the final, but fell behind to an early Greaves goal and conceded a second to Bobby Smith shortly after Robson's equaliser. A penalty was given against Tom Cummings for handball and Blanchflower made it 3-1 from the spot kick. Good video describing the sheer banality of many murders and the idiots who committed them.

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Nothing wrong with your memory :)

[@nomdeplume798]

I love little snippets of history. They would have been huge for the people involved and their neighbours, but tiny in comparison with two world wars and the Depression from the first half of the 20th century. I made a point of driving past Ivy Street this morning and although the shop fronts have changed, the junction with Moston Lane is still there and unless the pavement has been widened I suspect little else has changed. There's still a shop on the corner. I did wonder if the people on the footpath had any what had happened there 60 or so years ago.

[@vixen666ful]

I like this story...the story of Belle...🥰

[@PlasticGirl65]

Great stuff Steve 👍🏻

[@gmanette188]

Thank you

[@patburke5740]

Good work steve, i have some of your books, interesting reading.

[@chrisduke6485]

A very interesting series v good. How about doing one on the Field and Gray case of 1920? Murder of 17 year old Irene munro in Eastbourne both men hanged together in Wandsworth.

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

@@chrisduke6485 coming very soon

[@eddiebest1951]

Fascinating, I really enjoyed it

[@drewsimpson7260]

Excellent Steve 👍

[@johncahalane7327]

Such an interesting case here I suspect robbery to buy drink £6 was not much money to hang for,the other interesting thing was the price of The Cup Final ticket in 1963 50/- or 50 shillings to those who aren't old enough to remember that was £2.50 in current money ....This man was a phyco and deserved what he got this was uncalled for

[@andrewwarmington]

Steve, is there documentary evidence of the supposed bet between Smith and DI Butcher. I have seen it in several accounts of the case but it would seem to be a highly unprofessional thing for a policeman to say to a suspect

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Tony Fletcher was a fingerprint officer on the case and recorded that in his book. I never took it as unprofessional as I assumed Smith was making a cocky boast and Butcher was sort of saying I wouldn't be so sure....

[@dp-sr1fd]

Most murderers it seems are not the brightest lamps in the street. This man was no different.

[@philiprandall5291]

James Smith, an uncanny resemblance to Matt Smith ( Dr who). Anyway a very interesting and informative account of this case.

[@philipinchina]

Superb stuff.

[@stantheman5657]

Excellent video.

[@AlexandersAdventures86]

Fantastic and interesting episode, great detective work and determination and love the Burnley mentions it's my home town 😀

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

I've spent a lot of time in Burnley in the last decade. Must have played every pub and club

[@AlexandersAdventures86]

Have you considered doing some live shows discussing cases from the Hangman's Record, I would be the first in line for a ticket

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

@@AlexandersAdventures86 yes I mentioned about doing something over zoom I had some interest but never really pursued it

[@TheDrednaught]

Crazy murder RIP that poor lady.

[@jameshogan6142]

Agreed. He was a big strong fellow and could have taken what he wanted without harming an innocent old lady. He got his just desserts.

[@staceyhutchinson1707]

I always thought at this period finger prints were not yet established.

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Fingerprints were first used to secure a conviction for murder in 1905. Look out for video on that case in the next few weeks

[@stevek3654]

Another great video! John Underhill looks very young - how old would he have been at the time of the Execution?

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Harry Allen would have been 57 I'd guess Underhill would have been late 30s maybe around 40

[@mikelewis1436]

Underhill was said to be still living a couple of years back@@thehangmansrecord2860

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

@@mikelewis1436 I believe he died in 2015 out in Singapore

[@express777100]

@@thehangmansrecord2860 he did.

[@warburtonpaul]

@@thehangmansrecord2860 ...which would have made him the last serving hangman. I don't think any other made it to the 21st century!

[@daveflick12]

shared on twitter

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Thank you

[@andrewcoates6641]

I don’t know if you have already covered the subject or not, but if not do you intend to present the case of the man who could not be hung, John Lee. He went to the gallows at least twice but was returned to cell then to the court and then he was released.

[@jonfitz2278]

Nice one Mate

[@express777100]

underhill was also an sas soldier.

[@longyx321]

Good enough for them..

[@jimschannel2220]

Could have been a stitch up by the cops.

[@salty4496]

:)

[@Jungleland33]

3:05 humm, what about the troops killing 95 civilians?

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

In the Congo

[@Baphomet23]

Sad and Burnley lost 3-1.

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Don't mind Burnley losing, especially when the play Bolton Wanderers :)

[@Baphomet23]

@@thehangmansrecord2860 Frank Casper was good.

[@russelltimmins1870]

Timothy Evan’s?

[@bertcert991]

Not really a deterrent these videos prove it

[@reddishtykes]

I am sorry to be picky, but the newspaper article states "A possibility that Mrs. Cross's assailant was after the Cup tickets was discarded when it was found that they were safe in Mr. Cross's possession." The fact that the tickets were with Mr Cross doesn't rule out the possibility that the assailant attacked Mrs Cross for the tickets and that motive should not have been discarded.

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Another article says they were found in her apron pocket

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

I think the detectives ruled the cup tickets out immediately, so much so that when one of the detectives involved later wrote about the case he never even mentioned the tickets as being a possible motive for the attack

[@williamkennedy5492]

Riveting stuff

[@patrickporter6536]

Your depiction of a hangman's noose is ridiculous.

[@thehangmansrecord2860]

Don't be ridiculous... If you are talking about my logo the hangman's noose is a photograph of an actual rope as used in the UK

[@ShirleeKnott]

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