Talkernate History - Wild Wild West

[@SpaceCase1214]

About Loveless' love of spiders, maybe he loves them because they have so many working legs while he has none.

[@IronPiedmont]

Legs out for Loveless.

[@TheMann_YT]

Could you guys talk about War Plan Red and how a War between the U.S. and the U.K. would look like during the Interwar Years? P.S.- Love these podcasts

[@therealbrappuccino]

You guys should look into another Hearts of Iron IV mod: Apres Moi, Le Deluge. It’s not as fleshed out as Kaiserreich, but it’s better than most other alternate history mods.

[@PraecoLumieres]

Have they ever done Victoria's Divergences? That one would be appropriate.

[@soulsidejourney2693]

Wow what a throwback that one.

[@PanzerIVAE]

That talk about bureaucracy and taking over the lord is an excellent prompt for a short story or comedy skit

[@mikestevenson2303]

I think the guy who played Dr. Loveliness should of got a Academy award!

[@honkeykong4049]

*Where is the episode on the Teapot Dome Scandal??? xD*

[@totallynotjeff7748]

It's like in back to the future, when they made a joke about the Cubs winning the world series, and then it actually happened.

[@fleetadmiralauto6506]

Honestly, the horn hearing aid looked pretty cool to me. I feel like it could work, although not very well.

[@olavops1000]

Wild Wild West 2: The Great American-European war

[@robertwhite3457]

Can you guys make an episode on if Operation Valkyrie succeeded or an episode about if Stalin didn't die in 1953 and went on to lead the Soviet Union until the mid 1960's?

[@jondaniels4325]

Robert White I agree on both of those, especially with Stalin not dying in '53, that's barely talked about in alternate history.

[@robertwhite3457]

Yeah it is, most of the time the question is what if this person died and they weren't able to rise to power or something like that. The only other scenario i can think of is what if JFK wasn't assassinated in Dallas but that idea has been done to death.

[@TalkernateHistory]

But Stalin was 75 years old in 1953, how much longer could the guy go on?

[@robertwhite3457]

In 1964 he would have been 85, he can live a little while longer. I don't see him living into the 1970's, 1964 or 65 is my limit.

[@IronPiedmont]

That would be an interesting scenario, like how would Stalin deal with the Vietnam War or the Cuban Missle Crisis?

[@Sebastian-kb7nz]

Could you do a What if huey long survived.

[@moosay4606]

13:48 The vote to leave Virginia was not unanimous, there were absolutely a large amount of Confederate sympathizers who came from West Virginia during the war and who probably remained there afterwards. The vote was largely influenced by the more populous counties near Ohio and Pennsylvania, the southern and south eastern part of West Virginia still had quite a lot of Confederate sympathizers relative to a border state.

[@c0nscript275]

Can we get a red alert podcast, it's alternate history and bad. I love the game but the story of red alert 3 especially I'd bad. Japan declares war on Russia and five minutes later they're laying siege to Leningrad.

[@TalkernateHistory]

Also Red Alert 1 had giant ants. You don't see giant ants in a lot of alternate history.

[@themediumcheese]

Naxwell That's unfortunate.

[@unitedlunch1609]

U guys should have a discord

[@shadowcouncil9570]

I'm imagining a more gritty version of this film, along the lines of a Tom Clancy story. Two government representatives uncover a conspiracy to partition the United States with the aid an of Ex-Confederate Scientist.

[@ackbarfan5556]

This was a guilty pleasure movie. We watched this in high school, it was this or Twilight. You can see why it's a guilty pleasure to me.

[@asafbeeri4037]

5:54 It's fun to watch how you guys try to remember facts without turning to the internet at all. Very commendable in this day and age... By the way, the metal horn at 13:00 is perhaps the only thing true to fact in the film, becuase "Ear Trumpets" similar to this really existed. This film pokes fun at the steam punk genre, which is not my cup of tea, but the novel that started this genre, "The Difference Engine" by Gibson and Sterling, is pretty much worth a read. It's also a legit piece of alternate history.

[@EoineyMTX125]

I cannot get enough of you guys brilliant stuff.

[@DixieYankee]

Rosecrans was not an Idiot I would make a case he was one of the overall greatest Army commanders in the entire war. Chickamauga is the only black stain on his record and cannot be held entirely responsible for the defeat. He was given wrong intelligence on what was going on in his left and moved Woods Division just when Longstreet was moving to attack the position. Bad luck more like it.

[@comtededabois4686]

I would recommend you guys look into the 1992 publication "Alternate Presidents"

[@profk1972]

Would love to have this on iTunes as a podcast or something, I have been listening during my commute but I have to have KZbin and the video playing. Regardless, love the videos! By far the best alternate history channel I've found!

[@Moszan]

What's funny is Kevin Kline and Kenneth Branagh were Tulio and Miguel in The Road to El Dorado a year after this film.

[@TalkernateHistory]

Ah, yes. And Kevin Kline would much later end up in another cartoon, as Mr. Fischoeder on Bob's Burgers.

[@themediumcheese]

Homefront: The Revolution next please. The history is so bad that it's worth talking about.

[@Marylandbrony]

Or Home front in general. Fun Fact: In the 1st games timeline, the surrender of Japan takes place on my 20th birthday (April 7th 2018) and my 23rd Birthday saw Malaysia's annexation as well.

[@themediumcheese]

Metsarebuff 22 don't underestimate daddy Kim

[@exoszn6]

Metsarebuff 22 Never underestimate your enemies if north korea uses there satellite in space right now that goes across America at least twice a day called The Shining Star as a EMP and took out Americas electric power gird things would go very bad the rest of the worlds super powers , China, Russia etc etc would take advantage of a down and out America.

[@exoszn6]

Metsarebuff 22 Nothing is impossible give or take 1 year without power 90% of the American population will be dead from starvation and harsh climent and thats before the the millions of Chinese and North Korean troops invade from Mexico & and Canada.

[@exoszn6]

Metsarebuff 22 Only the military has backup systems the rest of the civilian population will be fucked and as far as the military goes you do realize that are troops are stretched very thin throughout the whole world most of our troops are half way around the world now im not saying were gonna take it laying down but all empires fall and well we've reached are peak look at all the debt.

[@icyguy2547]

I think you should do a video on if the Poplar Tree Incident ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_axe_murder_incident ) started WW3.

[@NoFlu]

Thanks to you guys, I made this movie into a running joke in my friend circle....

[@brandonubina9553]

You guys should do one on what if Japan denied Mathew Perry's demands.

[@jdavis8847]

Brandon Ubina They would have never been able to watch F•R•I•E•N•D•S

[@OttoGraff-fu8pj]

J Davis good.

[@MikaelLaCas]

this video is awesome

[@Outis89]

First 40 seconds or so, I was like "Great CGI? Great Acting? What the hell movie is he talking about?" Good or bad alternate history notwithstanding, this movie is a train wreck, but it's definitely a guilty pleasure from my youth.

[@claraquinrulez]

What a film

[@doctorx2105]

Super late to the party with this: long before CoD or Pvt. Ryan, Sam Fuller's The Big Red One had a Bangalore torpedo sequence where they lose a squad to that thing.

[@Soundwave3591]

"why do the Gatling guns shoot up?" Balloons ( used for observation in the Civil war) Higher-altitude enemies ( as you commented on) Plunging fire? And personally, I didn't care for Dunkirk.

[@4817Indian]

"Emperor Doom." hinted at the minute problems of world domination.

[@honkeykong4049]

Can you folks put these up on Soundcloud as well please?

[@shiite1861]

I’ve never heard of this movie, but I loved the old show

[@levim9707]

Interesting fact the spider was a left over idea from the unmade Superman Lives movie. I forget the whole story as to how it got in there but it had to deal with Kevin Smith and the producer of Wild Wild West.

[@dragonsword7370]

Levi M producer and previous writer, just had his huge fetish for spiders and that giant spider he wanted in a movie JUST to have one in one. That explains the flag too.

[@levim9707]

Chase your not wrong lol.

[@tomasmolinablanco3734]

You guys should take a look about the story in the strategy game War Front: Turning Point. Without taking in consideration those wonder weapons it an interesting shift of events of the world war 2

[@bigburd875]

Truly the greatest cultural achievement in human history

[@chrislondo2683]

Funny fact: the giant spider was meant to be in the Tim Burton Superman movie.

[@rabidspace6951]

Last time I was this early Rome still had a giant robot spider!

[@IronPiedmont]

You should look at the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen film.

[@IronPiedmont]

Also, I was NOT expecting to see this film on Talkernate History.

[@ackbarfan5556]

This is a guilty pleasure movie for me. I like it.

[@AnthonyOTooleMusic]

Even if he had his fly swatter, a lesser president like Rutherford B. Hayes wouldn't have a pair of balls big enough to stand up to Loveless and his alliance.

[@JamesCarmichael]

I love this movie actually. I mean I know it's crap, but that's kinda why I love it.

[@OmegaTrooper]

This was my favorite history movie.

[@Rangernewb5550]

>WW1 becomes characterized by gigantic walking mechs and steam powered jets *MUH DICK*

[@blender7]

Will you guys be creating a patreon? I want to give you money for being better than the history channel in every way.

[@TalkernateHistory]

It is an interesting idea. I'll look into it. Thank you for the suggestion.

[@ideale3183]

I really like the bad alternate history movie reviews this and deep blue fleet are my favorite episodes of the podcasts

[@VineFynn]

There's a company of heroes campaign centred on operation market garden.

[@JOHN58476]

I would pay to see the guns off south movie

[@ShahjahanMasood]

Let me ask first. Does this video show spiders? If it does then I am not watching.

[@thescottishnerd]

Please review ready to rumble please

[@dragonsword7370]

Arced volley fire, that's the only reason they would have put a gating on a +degree azimuths pintle mount. We had volley sights up till 1915 so....eh?

[@conorcrowley6256]

You should do Fatherland by Robert Harris.

[@TalkernateHistory]

I finished the book recently, it could make a good episode topic. I haven't seen the movie yet. Is it good?

[@conorcrowley6256]

Naxwell haven't seen the movie, from what I've seen of the reviews it didn't work well. But I think the history is appearently kept faithfully.

[@ExAnimoPortugal]

I know this movie is bad and I recognize all it's flaws. However it was one of the first movies I ever remember watching. Maybe it's nostalgia, but it's one of my favorites.

[@BrorealeK]

You forgot that Kenneth played Henry V along with such overacting giants as BRYAN BLESSED.

[@phoroz1905]

Can you do an episode on talkternate history concerning minor fascist movements in Europe?

[@unitedlunch1609]

My dad and I were walking this movie and I was really talkative about West Virginia confederate thing and he told me I talk to much during movies

[@OpenMawProductions]

I love independence Day. I watch it every 4th of July (my birthday) It's great to have a character named Steve saving the world. That movie represents the height of my childhood. Video games, fun movies, great music. It was a great time to be a kid in the mid 90s. But no, it did not need a sequel or a remake. Wild Wild West, I watched it a lot as a kid, but yes, it's an awful movie and on repeat viewings it just gets worse and worse. I do have to say though, if they had made a better movie I think the Jim West character could have had some shelf life. The idea of doing a steam-punk alternate reality western with crazy alternate reality technology has a lot of appeal to it for me.

[@theshadowreal-m]

“ This isn’t a Harry Potter Podcast”😂😂

[@Jonah9HexFan9978]

There needs to be more alternate-history wild West themed scenarios and stories without the steampunk fiction element in them. When talking about alternate-history it's those years between the civil war and world war 1 that just kind of get overlooked.

[@33themajor]

You could say it was a potentially huge international issue with what Loveless had proposed in his United Divided. Representatives from Britain, France and Spain in attendance that would support this? These are countries we had diplomatic relations with. Grant should’ve called his ambassadors to each country to go before each monarch and demand an explanation. Is it really their wish to see the U.S. destroyed and they reclaim those lands back? Could lead to another war with Britain. And stain on international relations with the others for decades.

[@sindurgoku8022]

If George Lucas was about to remake Wild Wild West it would likely be about a tax dispute between Dr. Loveless and the US government. THAT I'd like to see.

[@kosmxrankin1526]

I like this movie its alot of fun.

[@dentredjeluringen6831]

You know Artemis Fowl !!! Finally

[@stevenwills4660]

wild west 2:steam powered boogaloo

[@goodman4966]

how Talkernate History on usa empire or us American imperialism in general

[@TheDark4eyes]

Have you ever actually WATCHED the original series??? The "inventions" in the movie are VERY canon to the 'universe"

[@razedhunter8849]

You guys should do a video on the Russian civil war

[@s3c0nd1mpact]

Rrrrrelevant!

[@thepapistyourmotherwarnedy752]

Now that I think about it, the original Wild Wild West with James Garner and Ross Martin was more historically accurate than this and even that's a stretch

[@GD30.06]

Yup

[@bull705]

Robert Conrad was in Wild Wild West. James Garner was in Maverick.

[@buckn5]

Look at for want of a nail yet sir?

[@arminius1riks601]

Can you do a video on if the Vikings never converted to Christianity

[@toddnolastname4485]

I liked this movie.

[@AmericanUnionState1824]

That movie was just pain horrible, the t.v. show from 1965-70 was beater.

[@MisanthropicMarxist]

They kinda did make a video game version of Wild Wild West. It was called "Damnation," and it's probably the worst game I've ever played

[@heatherwheeler8330]

Aww yes to me its delightful garbag

[@Cpt_Boony_Hat]

Maybe this is were China got there idea for a Spider tank

[@cathalhughes5996]

Bi ling i think you mean bye ling

[@shuntajones6368]

Desire zonary

[@4817Indian]

Make thousands of spiders.

[@zacktrever1878]

*Time Cop*

[@darthkillhoon]

Shame, Shame, Shame, ding ding, Wild Wild West walk of attonment

[@Raeger-46]

Well second comment bois

[@MrBeckenhimself]

To this day I still have no clue why people have such an issue with that movie. Why? It's unrealistic? Unlike the Avengers movies that are all completely based on real life events. 😂 People are really good for a laugh sometimes.

[@mattthedoormat]

You should do an episode on the Darkest of Days game since you've been talking about so much.