Talkernate History - The Great War [2019]

[@ArmadilloMan]

Disappointed on the inaccuracies for the costumes this movie. Everyone knows that the soldiers on the Minnesota Front in the Great War were clad in Sorel boots and North Face jackets, a Springfield in one hand and a cup of Caribou in the other.

[@bakomusha]

And the battle didn't even stop for a booze run to Canada!

[@MrEd8846]

I was disappointed in them stealing, almost scene for scene, saving private ryan.

[@78910idontknow]

Classic "had me in the first half" comment here.

[@spam1138]

I was an extra in this btw, I was the machine gunner at 5:18 . I'm honored to see my face on this channel, big fan :)

[@TalkernateHistory]

You've made our day. That's amazing. What a small world!

[@spam1138]

@@TalkernateHistory also yes, about 15% of the extras were reeactores (myself included). The rest were extras from minnapolis and other parts of MN who saw the open casting call online. We each made $60 a day and given pizza.

[@MikeHunt-hg4ow]

The boys are back in town

[@themediumcheese]

Only a month after the last podcast? You guys are spoiling us.

[@Urlocallordandsavior]

Shush.

[@ManCarryingThing]

I love this channel so much

[@demondwilson706]

20:22 , speaking of SpongeBob voices in movies and world war one, Ernest Borgnine the voice of mermaid man also played Kat in the 70s production of all quiet on the western front.

[@mcwildstyle9106]

For real?? I almost knew his voice sounded familiar

[@LadyTylerBioRodriguez]

Holy shit this is sooner then I expected. Perfect timing. Just spend the last half hour wasting time and getting annoyed. I need more good stories from Matt and Max. Also I love ww1 stories. My great grandfather was the radio man for Pershing and survived mustard gas. Kept his job during the depression because Pershing gave him a personal recommendation. Thanks Black Jack!

[@MrMiniman629]

They Shall Not Grow Old is truly amazing, I recommend it to anyone

[@clemendive7284]

The movie Starship trooper is clearly a satire of military science fiction

[@bakomusha]

I didn't realize that till I read the book as an older teen. I like the book, but it made me love the movie way more!

[@jabobok786]

Is it? I thought it was a parody of how America fetishizes militarism through film, akin to Nazi propaganda films. I say this because the director grew up in Nazi occupied Holland and was very much influenced by his fear that America would become a fascist state; this is also a theme in Robocop Edit: they make reference to the fact that Starship Troopers seems like a propaganda film in this episode

[@LucioFercho]

Yeah, the movie satirizes US war movies, for being shameless propaganda.

[@DenisMendina]

No, it is the worst movie ever made!

[@leosun8561]

I live near Big Lake, MN and one of my assistant teachers was talking about being in the Battle of the Bulge film. All I can say is sorry for the film but it sounds like they had fun.

[@FatbongusTV]

Babe wake up, new Talkernate history episode just dropped

[@LadyTylerBioRodriguez]

I love how you guys absolutely nailed how the Obi Wan show justified its lightsaber fights before it was announced. Which I'm glad, the saber duels were the most entertaining parts of the show.

[@charlietheanteater3918]

I can listen to you two talk about anything Also mad props to your editor for including all the background footage

[@wafl423]

my favorite podcast about movies and occasionally history is back

[@creatoruser736]

If you're reviewing movies, I'd suggest talking about 9th Company. It's a Russian movie about the Soviet-Afghan War. And yes I only know about that because of the Sabaton song.

[@IceLordCryo]

oh wow the IMDB used Sabaton's Great War album for the movie poster! 7:19

[@jameskowanko7574]

I’ll be honest, I thought Ron Pearlman was a voice actor only because I only knew him from Fallout.

[@ewilcott]

He's great in Hellboy.

[@bmazin1377]

@@ewilcott his character is really fun in enemy at the gates even with that movie taking “historical liberties”

[@bradenanderson6989]

Please never stop posting

[@FeHearts]

1:55 Traditional French had religious swearing, but changed with the French Revolution and secularism that did not affect Quebec. Too paraphrase Charles Coulombe: A culture’s curses seem to be taken from what they value the most.

[@Choppytehbear1337]

7:25 isn't that the album cover for Sabaton's Great War album?

[@thetatn1113]

In Britain there are 2 or 3 soap operas that have been going for like over 50 years. I think the oldest is called 'Coronation Street'

[@pegasusactua2985]

Coronation Street is the oldest and premiered in 1960. The Archers technically is the oldest running British soap opera but thats radio and has been going since 1957. The other popular ones in Britian are Emmerdale which premiered in 1972 and Eastenders which premiered in 1985. I went down a bizarre rabbit hole about British TV and it's history like 2 or 3 years ago. Lol

[@loptater9681]

I'm surprised that you've already got a new episode out, but I'll gladly take it.

[@crob763]

This is probably one me of my favorite episodes. I loved the Lost Battalion as a kid growing up. Starship Troopers is my favorite movie. The commentary about this movie in general was hilarious and informative.

[@thishonestgrifter]

You guys need to watch Clone Wars. It’s one of the best pats of star wars cannon.

[@jameskowanko7574]

Here’s something that might blow your mind Matt and Max, I personally know Treat Williams. He is a family friend and my dad met him when he was an actor. He’s a big fan of Ulysses Grant and he's working on a play about him for local theatres here in Vermont.

[@jameskowanko7574]

Assuming it’s the same actor Treat Williams. I don’t know much about movies maybe there’s multiple

[@TalkernateHistory]

That's really cool!

[@LadyTylerBioRodriguez]

He was really good in Prince of the City, and a couple other things.

[@MrLukasboys]

What's this a new talkernate history episode only 1 month after the most recent once? I just got done with my first exam of the week and now can enjoy the relaxing tunes of radio knowledge. Also, please go on more tangents. One of my favourite episodes were the extended tangents.

[@steadyjumper3547]

This right here, this is called happiness.

[@ivymp4]

Luke Schuetzle is extremely well known in the reenacting circles as a well known con-artist. He runs Man the Line Militara, a company well known for taking money and never delivering goods, and for these vanity products. Look at War Pigs some time. His big clam to fame is getting one time A list stars to be in his flicks.

[@ScreechingPossum]

I remember seeing a trailer for this a few weeks ago, thinking "Oh we're doing... *that* kind of story"...not knowing till now it had already came out, none the least was a ripoff "This is gonna be the next Saving Private Ryan"? Yeah, I guess so! (14:27 Oof, didn't know Vegeta was so French)

[@williamlydon2554]

You guys didn't mention it, but the most jarring bit is that it's clear that some scenes were shot some time apart from.each other, with snow on the ground being replaced by drier weather (very noticable during that big Deadliest Warrior melee you mention where it looks like summer almost)

[@commodoreluigi1596]

Talkernate history really talking about hoi IV peace deals smh

[@flamingeskimo1136]

Oh my god! I just realised I forgot to submit my alternate history short! 😅 Are you guys still accepting entries?

[@TalkernateHistory]

Sure, we'll do our best to work it in. Just keep it a secret between us.

[@flamingeskimo1136]

@@TalkernateHistory thanks so much. I'll have it to ye ASAP

[@clemendive7284]

They brung back Darth Maul in the animated shows they can bring back Mace Windu

[@friendlym1rifle]

7:26 is the poster just the Sabaton Great War album cover?

[@TalkernateHistory]

It is, lol. I'm sure they didn't get permission for that

[@friendlym1rifle]

@@TalkernateHistory considering the quality, they definitely didn’t.

[@kyles8587]

You guys know Satrship Troopers, Total Recall and Robocop were all by Paul Verhoeven and they were intentionally weird and satirical, right? :p

[@DenisMendina]

Which is sad, because the book is a masterpiece

[@robertdiethrich6775]

Ronny Cox's character in Robocop was "Dick Jones!" "Dick, you're fired!"

[@JAISE1994]

Am I the only one that noticed a lot of the bolts on the rifles were on the wrong side?

[@raptorcell6633]

Yeah, when they showed the German soldier with the Mauser, the bolt is on the left side.

[@Analog_Mind47]

1:17 The Day of the Rake shall come soon!

[@lhaviland8602]

Billy Zane: best actor in this movie, worst actor in Twin Peaks.

[@CraftsmanOfAwsomenes]

Ronny Cox was Senator Robert Kinsey in Stargate.

[@ZeltonTheWarlock]

The cactus was probably imported by the owner of the chateau Pershing made his HQ in.

[@michaelalbert2614]

"we'll fix it in post" They clearly forgot to fix it in post XD

[@north7500]

Huh haven't seen this one before... wait... Posted 4 hours ago? Praise be to Turtledove

[@mr.anderson2241]

I think it’d be interesting if you guys discussed code geass, I’ve been watching it recently and the lore of the series is quite interesting to say the least, since the UK essentially loses the homeland against Napoleon then flees to the recently pacified US colonies and forms the Holy Britianian Empire which becomes an intercontinental empire and it snowballs from there

[@chrisaddy4025]

27:05 that's a great firing stance

[@misterclock]

Thank you for the warning. Can you have a discussion on the alt-historical TV series, Plot Against America? Thank you.

[@lak1892]

Nice to catch a new episode right when it comes out! Also, if you're going to discuss films, could we get a What If the events of Inglorious Basterds happened in real life? Keep up the good work!

[@buckn5]

Could you look at the (Sort of) ww1 alternate history book to having writ please?

[@bryansteele832]

I am willing to bet that machine gun on the window of the white house was not a real metal gun or prop but some plastic thing. The barrel flash looked CG and in general the thing looked light weight and not mounted just by the way it was jerking around.

[@stanleystudios5186]

‘The Mediocre War”. Great episode fellas as always!

[@The_Alt_Vault]

The IMDB page uses the cover are from the Sabaton Album Grate War, that's got to be some kind of copy right infringement

[@ceddosamurai]

So soon, very nice.

[@asajjy]

Ronnie Boy Is Rockin That Mustache

[@башарал]

You guys should watch an episode or two of the Young Indiana Jones ww1 episodes. Funnily enough it might be the only film depiction of the African theatre of WW1. I still put in my VHS tapes of them every now and again when I'm bored.

[@rjpunkin]

There's an Australian film about ww1 Africa called the light horsemen

[@rjpunkin]

Lawrence of Arabia to

[@LadyTylerBioRodriguez]

There's a lot of ww1 stories in the series. Like that time Indy met General Vorbeck.

[@RocketHarry865]

@@rjpunkin The light horsemen took place in the Sinai and Palestine campaign not Africa. There was an Ivorian Gallows Comedy war film made in 1976 called Noirs et Blancs en couleur (Black and White in Colour). There was also the 1973 remake of Trader Horn

[@caesarpizza1338]

theres the african queen staring Humphrey Bogart and Katherine Hepburn.

[@zacktrever1878]

I watched the clip of passchendale - why are the opps walking towards a machine gun nest so casually

[@bobwalsh3751]

THEY HAVE RETURNED!!!!!!

[@waterdeepbones5996]

Hold up, it's been a month now! So soon! 😎

[@harvidmoreton817]

15:40 that guy got shot by at least one of the two dudes behind him...I really need to see this movie lol.

[@TalkernateHistory]

There's also a German soldier with a soul patch in there. And that same guy with the soul patch gets killed in many many many other scenes.

[@naomitakashima6606]

Hey guys! I don’t know if you’ve ever considered this for an episode, but one book I’d like to see you guys talk about is Back in the USSA by Eugene Byrne and Kim Newman.

[@kenjisakaie6028]

"At the start its like a lifetime movie, all aw shucks, and then you get to Okinawa and its starship troopers all of a sudden" I'm pretty sure that's just starship troopers.

[@Jedi-Exile]

You guys definitely need to talk about some of the other Steven Luke movies, there are like two different ones specifically about the Battle of the Bulge and they’re both on par with this in terms of quality. My parents got suckered into buying one of them from a bargain bin of DVDs somewhere, and when we all sat down to watch it, we got about 10 minutes in before realizing it wasn’t a ‘real’ movie… how disappointed we were. Clearly the guy making these is someone passionate about history but you really just can’t make movies about these kinds of things when you’re on such a shoestring budget. And spending what little budget you DO have on getting people like Ron Perlman or Tom Berenger just to try and give your film an air of “legitimacy” just isn’t worth it in the long run. I think you can find some of his other works here on KZbin for free.

[@michaelkirschner7471]

6:20 digital squibs ahhhhh that doesn’t make any sense!

[@bobwalsh3751]

23:35 funny how you said The Simpsons goes on forever. In a way you'll eventually be right! If creator Matt Groening gets his way, the very last episode will end with the Christmas Pageant from the very beginning of the very first episode, somehow, which means that the entire show will, if you play every episode in order, be an infinite loop!

[@Cityinlead]

7:22 oh god no I hope that isn’t the official poster because they just stole the Sabaton Great War album cover Edit btw I definitely recommend the album and it’s amazing

[@thishonestgrifter]

I was gonna mention that. The fact that they literally stole the Sabaton art.

[@coolstuff7772]

The Boys Are Back.

[@andrewjackson8845]

lmao at 7:16 that's not even art for the film on the IMDB page it's an album cover

[@augustdenger8231]

So I just got home from starring in a Steven Luke movie as an extra and I recognize those crates and baskets at 16:34. There's a scene where I fiddle with them around a PAK gun. Keep an eye out for Come Out Fighting in 2022. The reason he's able to keep making movies is because he's such a nice fucking guy to everyone. And yeah, he contacts reenactors across the country to star as featured extras, I know because I'm one of them. Overall, it was a good time.

[@StickWithTrigger]

cant believe this movie was snubbed at the Oscars smh

[@Al_Camino77]

As a Canadian I can say that Pachendale is not a good movie. It had great potential but instead of Saving Private Ryan or Band or Brothers we got Beaches. Director and writer Paul Gross can’t seem to help himself he always needs to turn it into a romance movie. Did the same thing with Hyena Road.

[@TalkernateHistory]

Truth be told, we skipped pretty much all of the "in Canada" scenes in Pachendale. And anything that had romance in it. The result is a pretty okay 20 minute move.

[@Al_Camino77]

@@TalkernateHistory I wish I did that. I hope one day someone makes a series and uses Norm Christie’s For King and Empire (they are on KZbin) doc series as a foundation. It would literally write itself

[@marcgauthier6894]

I didn’t have as much of an issue with the romance aspect as I did with Gross making himself out to be the second coming of Jesus (not for the first time). He’s basically a handsome version of Neil Breen.

[@rednecksniper4715]

Don’t know if it’s an editing mistake from this video or the movie itself but did anyone else notice the ‘left handed’ Springfield and M1917

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

Hacksaw Ridge is a just a “fine” film? No. It’s a great film about a great man!

[@kaiserreichempireofohio834]

18:21 could they not decide if they wanted to make a movie about the battle of the bulge or the winter war? Lol

[@savagedarksider5934]

Poor Franz Josef; he lost everything.

[@M1912TrenchGun]

If you guys are looking for WW1 movies, Beneath Hill 60 is a great one that isn’t just going over the top and storming trenches.

[@danielpalama3700]

Yeah...this film was made by the guy that's the reenactor vendor Man the Line. He's also done some WW2 films that are just as C-tier.

[@coreystockdale6287]

But they had Kar 98 in ww1. That's the 98 part 1898

[@shamasmacshamas7135]

The Kar98k is what they were referring to as the anachronistic rifle they were happy wasn't present, the shortened version from WW2. The proper WW1 rifle is the Gewehr 98.

[@clemendive7284]

They're talking about the Kar98k wich was only put into service in 1935

[@coreystockdale6287]

@@clemendive7284 sorry I thought they meant the kar98a's not the kar98k's

[@LadyTylerBioRodriguez]

Just to make it more confusing, there was a Kar model rifle in ww1. The Kar 98 AZ.

[@fredo0084]

At last he lives

[@AMurillo622]

oh hell yeah dude

[@ShahjahanMasood]

I forgot this trainwreck existed. Damn.

[@Anonymous-rj1qw]

I can't believe you forgot about Dick Jones!

[@auggerautenrieth2317]

omg, tubi has soome really great foreign war and syfy movies and some down right comical ones. i became a twitter friend with mr Turtledove over an Ohio State vs USC football game and he is so cool and has even helped me with my book.

[@Gloryholrr]

The lost battalion is a great movie

[@thishonestgrifter]

Up to mustard needs to be on a shirt

[@attackhelicopter6811]

You guys should check out and do an episode on “the plot to destroy America” if you haven’t. Sounds like it would be right up your alley

[@TalkernateHistory]

I watched the first episode a while ago, and never came back to it. But I'll definitely give it a second look.

[@Marylandbrony]

Can you do “Plot against America” or “Watchmen” from HBO as episodes and compare them to Man in the high castle.

[@ewilcott]

Watchmen is a masterpiece but it's not really the kind of alternate history Matt and Max tend to like.

[@MrMiniman629]

@@ewilcott I hope you mean the Zach Snyder movie and not the awful HBO show

[@or_gluzman561Peace_IL_PS]

so soon nice

[@johnschindler7766]

They should review Jericho

[@fredlandry6170]

Ok so the soldiers are walking and talking and showing no noise discipline would they not have been mowed down by a German Machine Gun?

[@MrEd8846]

What I didnt like about this movie, and I realized it about halfway in, was how familiar it felt watching it. So familiar...... it felt like I seen it before. But I saw it when it came out so I obviously didn't see it before. Then it clicked. The entire movie is just saving private ryan with a black squad in ww1. And when i say that I don't mean "oh its good like saving private ryan". I mean whoever wrote this movie must of watched that movie and copied it

[@VineFynn]

Ayyy

[@talkinggun3842]

Yay

[@philipsalama8083]

Honestly, I'd follow Ron Perlman into battle.

[@widyasantoso4910]

It's a pity you didn't mention how the Germans were portrayed.

[@warholhille1518]

I’ve pretty much watched all of these videos in lone month and they are great keep doing what your doing as a suggestion instead of reviewing books maybe come up with your own historical deviations and it would be cool if you talked more about the Cold War and if you want another garbage war movie to review company of heroes is total garbage and hilarious

[@The_Jawnski]

It was a Man The Line production. Absolute shit.

[@thomaspaine3394]

:D

[@IvyLeather13]

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH