Talking about the state of Star Wars world-building with @thejollychap and @TheOdrinSearchParty

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[@biff9296]

The Mando S3 Christopher Lloyd scene teasing the idea of the CIS/Separatist cause still living on (which would be awesome) as just a joke displays the writer's reluctance and inability to even ATTEMPT worldbuilding. Universe should have established and emerging political factions' separate agendas and clashing causes consistent, acknowledged, and relevant in the stories. The criminal underworld for example, is extremely powerful and should ALWAYS be attempting power-grab schemes and forging new alliances, especially during the Empire's decline! The interaction between the underworld and the ruling government should be a HUGE thing. Along with the usual backstabbing amongst themselves adding another layer of intrigue.

[@reetmiester1503]

I would argue that having a fraction of the CIS controlling a system or two, maybe even making it beneficial to its citizens could dig up the idea whether the Republic going to war in the first place was a good idea.

[@kingorange7739]

@@reetmiester1503 Precisely. Hell it would be so realistic for many Outer Rim worlds to be willing to give the Confederacy another try. While it committed many atrocities during the Clone Wars, not only were the circumstances extremely muddled with most being ignorant of such atrocities and lengths of the poor decision making (Even more than what they would know considering Dooku literally designed them to fail) but the original CIS was also cut extremely short with only having a total life of 5 years. Its ideological framework also served as a direct contrast to the Imperial ideals even more than the Republic or Rebels did.

[@nikolamilosevic7024]

live action Zahn Consortium when

[@StofenThe1st]

@@nikolamilosevic7024 Don't give me that kind of hope man. I would buy every bluray of the sequel trilogy if it meant getting to see the Aggressor "Need a really big gun?" Star Destroyer in action.

[@idanmuze]

Imagine the Andor writing team getting their hands on that concept.

[@lulukomadori9651]

I think what funny is disney way of explaining why the new republic didn't help was to make them the most INCOMPENT republic ever, just really stomping on leia whole life who fought to secure it. Plus there so scared of the sequel backlash that they're STILL only focusing on empire/post empire, none of the tv shows have even ADDRESS snoke/first order hint, just zombies/thrawn who are never brought up cause it already done

[@michaelterry6576]

The ironic similarity between the EU and Canon new republic is they both speed ran beuracuracy that the old republic took generations to reach. Except the EU new republic essentially fell to a new Emperor Palpatine in the form of Ben Solo, but the Disney new republic just kind of got obliterated militarily somehow in the most pathetic way possible, falling overnight.

[@papapalps2415]

​@@michaelterry6576'...Except the EU New Republic essentially fell to a new Emperor Palpatine in the form of Ben Solo..." ....Uh, what?

[@michaelterry6576]

@@papapalps2415 In the EU, Jacen Solo was the leader at one point. He even tried to have his parents killed, as well as Luke.

[@michaelterry6576]

Sorry I realized I mixed up Jacen and Ben's names, blame the new movies. Ben was Luke's kid I know.

[@papapalps2415]

@@michaelterry6576 I mean, even that's not true, though. Jacen/Caedus subverted the Galactic Alliance, not the New Republic. The NR died midway through the Vong War. On paper, anyways; in reality the GFFA is nothing more than a snazzy name change, of course, practically speaking, but nevertheless. And even THEN, the GA...obviously still survived after Caedus, too.

[@noahmoore6513]

I need that Jolly Ahsoka video more than I need oxygen

[@noahmoore6513]

World building is sort of like a sports field. For example, a baseball field. The ball can go anywhere between the two lines and be fair, but if it’s outside the lines it’s foul. It’s up to the writers to decide where the lines are if creating a universe, or acknowledge where the lines have been placed if writing a story within a pre-existing universe.

[@Avarn388]

@noahmoore6513 That’s a good way to put it. It also shows skill if you can play by the rules of an existing field and make something good. Because limitations don’t have to be something that good you back from crafting a good story.

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

No, everyone already knew where the lines were, because like Baseball, the lines of Star Wars have been well established for decades and Dishit threw out the whole coloring book.

[@noahmoore6513]

@@OG-ColorfulAbyss. it’s like you didn’t even read the last line of my comment

[@phantauss13]

EU continuity and worldbuilding is pretty good but for a few outliers. Pretty much the entire span of time from the beginning to the end of publishing of the West End Games Star Wars RPG system from 1990 to early 2000s was solid. The prequels introduced retcons that were reconciled in the Multimedia project fairly well. A lot of the worst star wars EU continuity breaking stuff comes from the very early works and the very late works like Legacy of the Force and TCW.

[@yagamifire7861]

Oh hey recognition that Kreia is objectively wrong. I so consistently hear people praise Kreia as a great character while totally missing her mistaken nature

[@papapalps2415]

As much as I hate the term, media literacy, or lack thereof, is a real thing. As is lack of brain functionality.

[@micahwright5901]

It’s probably the same people who think Joker’s commentary on society isn’t him just shifting the goalposts and creating whataboutism arguments to justify his crimes

[@millionamax1]

I mourn the loss of what the sequel trilogy could’ve been

[@owangejewice]

It was supposed to bring balance to the saga, not leave it in darkness!!!

[@brickdarg6750]

As Sean Chandler puts it, Star Wars is suffering from creative inbreeding. New Star Wars is inspired by old Star Wars.

[@papapalps2415]

That's an absolutely brilliant way to put it, tbh, I think I will be using that in the future. Being fair, a lot of modern bug pop culture franchises are suffering from it, but Star Wars has fallen especially victim.

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

Shit Wars is inspired by misandry, wokeness, tokenism, and pandering.

[@planetbob6703]

7:02 I've learned the hard way that there are people who are incapable of planning ahead further than what they'll have for lunch. It's all about instant gratification and when it blows up in their face they'll blame everyone else. Like someone spending all his money on this shiny thing he saw in the shop window, who is now begging the entire friendgroup to help him with rent!

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

Just like literally everyone at Dishit, especially the morons they put in charge of anything Star Wars

[@manhattan2003]

Maybe the Force is just a galactic-scale incorporeal invasive species from the galaxy that we saw in Ahsoka, which then took the bull by the horns and turned the Star Wars galaxy into its personal playground? I mean that's not what Disney thinks, but it would be fun 😂

[@micahwright5901]

That would be… fascinating

[@bpgifford]

I enjoy these talks. I casually enjoy star wars nowadays but you folks are activating parts of my brain to evaluate the movies that I grew up loving with some critical thinking. I'm here for it! Thank you

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

You don't really have an activated brain if you enjoy any Star Wars that Dishit has made.

[@pufffincrazy5275]

Jolly Chap is my favorite KZbinr who has not made a video yet

[@fornax5798]

Hes working on some thing with ahsoka apparently

[@pufffincrazy5275]

@@fornax5798 I’m excited for one

[@reetmiester1503]

A commentary on Lost would be an interesting discussion since apparently it is also broken as well. I have watched the show a couple of times, but felt that it came to a (relatively) satisfactory conclusion. Maybe it is because I was too invested in the characters…

[@thibaultl1956]

What a nice conversation to listen to

[@captainbeastwinger4940]

It's also hilarious how rise of Skywalker leaves the universe in complete chaos Like in the original trilogy and prequels the empire was filled with a bunch of republic politicians who just don't really care who's in charge and the rebellion was created by a bunch of republic politicians and filled dith them like mon mothma and the organa's so it's believable they start a new government after the empire falls But the sequel trilogy has the new republic first and final orders all destroyed and the resistance isn't filled with people who could take over the only one we know of aka leia died So again after tros who takes over and who starts a new government

[@BaronGrackle]

When you do your video on The Force Awakens, I hope you talk about the Battle of Takodana. Narratively, I think it disastrous that the Resistance was able to meet the First Order in battle and roflstomp them handily in the middle of the film, long before the climax. When coupled with the later destruction of Starkiller Base and the humiliating defeat of Kylo Ren against Rey, this film creates a pattern: the First Order is incapable of waging battle against the Resistance. The FO really seemed to be a ragtag group of terrorists that got lucky once with a surprise bomb... after which, they were promptly beaten down. The problem is, the writers and their characters weren't treating the First Order like a ragtag group of terrorists to be hunted down and beaten. The writers and their characters were treating the First Order like it was a legitimate military threat. It was an incredible disparity between what we saw on the screen, and what the characters believed to be true. Then when The Last Jedi began, suddenly the First Order actually was the dominant galactic power. That makes me feel torn. Should I hate The Last Jedi more for making The First Order way more threatening than what was presented in The Force Awakens? Or should I keep more blame on The Force Awakens for failing to produce a threatening antagonist?

[@chasehedges6775]

Both TFA and TLJ fail as movies are both mediocre so it hardly matter.

[@ripzipper513]

Coming from someone who has been studying western theology for months Just wanna clear up about the predetermination thing within Christianity, the vastly majority of Christians believe in free will. The idea is that God is already beyond boundless, unfathomable in all aspects, beyond the concept of infinity itself, which is also unfathomable anyway and that DOES exist. Due to this despite it not being within our conception, God can still reconcile us being allowed free will, with his omnipotence and omniscience. Some Christians believe that this involves timelines and the cosmos, the modern ideals of a school of thought called molinism. The assertion of total predestination and predetermination is Calvinism, a minority view held in Christianity, viewed as heretical by many within Catholicism and Orthodxy. Many who hold this view reconcile it only with Universalism, the belief that all will be saved, and the only 2 mainline branches that practice some form of Calvinist worship are Lutheran and Presbyterian, with some Christians outside of those groups who follow closer to Luther referring to themselves as reformed, which has other meanings as well. Calvinism still asserts that’s our choices have meaning to us as it pertains to our existence as we exist, it’s how we are, but also that our choices are still ours, they just work their way into the cogs of the machine that is time- classic determinism. Both make equally no sense, because both pertain to our state of existence and God who is beyond it, which is unfathomable. Free will can be said to be impossible and yet the idea God could not reconcile it in some way or to limit Gods abilities is objectively wrong. These are called the mysteries of the faith, many criticize abrahamic religions for the idea of faith and not having an answer, but whether you believe in abrahamic religion, higher consciousness, or the concept of literal nothingness, there exists in some form that which is beyond comprehension, atleast in theory regardless of whether we experience a relation to such things or not.

[@dissraps]

The "majority of Christians" have never actually read the Bible and have surface level understanding of everything, so not really going to take their opinion into account. You CANNOT believe in the Christian god AND freewill. He knows everything and is all powerful. That means he either made Satan specifically to rebel, or he somehow didn't know, which means he isn't omnipresent. The Book of Revelation lays out future events, but he doesn't know how future events will play out? He created Jesus to die for this sin that he also created, but he didn't know Jesus would be sacrificed like that? God has a plan for everyone he just doesn't know what it is? He knows everything you've ever done and everything you're thinking and everything you will ever do, and that's free will? He knows what you're going to do before you do it and he literally created you, to do that. So either god isn't all knowing (which contradicts the bible) or he is and free will doesn't exist. God gave you free will to do exactly what he wants that he knew you would do lmao

[@ripzipper513]

@@dissraps ok I automatically am gonna disregard what you said since you started off with “You cannot believe in the Christian God AND free will” Because that take relies on trying to rationalize or logic God through a literalist take of scripture, which is inherently flawed because anyone of any religion or science will tell you that regardless of how you try to rationalize something, the concept of infinity in practice is inherently unfathomable and only theoretically quantifiable. Both the Catholic and Orthodox churches, which spring from the original church, and I can guarantee have read the Bible, assert free will as a belief. If you wanna say NONE of it makes sense and therefore have an atheistic perspective that’s fine, but to think you can believe in one school of thought but not the other is equally nonsensical

[@samtalley3087]

@@dissraps2011 called and wants its neck beard atheism back

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

No they don't. Free will is, by definition free, but then at the same time they say we're only allowed to use it the way he wants and be his mindless slaves or else we're tortured for all eternity. That is NOT free! Keep your fairy tale nonsense to yourself. It's even bigger bullshit than Disney Star Wars.

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

@@samtalley3087 Intelligence called. It wants you to stop being so brain dead and delusional.

[@11menzies]

Sheev when is jolly going to start making his own videos? He has just good and intelligent takes on everything i swear. He could 100% make money off youtube if he posted!

[@sparkycjs]

I'd definitely be a Jolly Chap subscriber

[@whatshouldinamemyself215]

idk rlm may have made silly jokes that 'politics in movies bad' but those reviews also have whole segments talking seriously about how the attempted depth failed and why it failed, they are star trek fans and in other reviews have repeated multiple times that politics in movies when done right are great including in their recent andor review

[@MRDLT00]

1:39:09 I mean I for one like that the Force is not solely some real world Eastern philosophy and is it’s own unique Sci-fi fantasy concept. Are the force ghosts kosher to Buddhism? No, but that’s what makes it a cool new thing and not some lazy real world knock off nonsense.

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

I mean, they treat the Force like god (ew) and Anakin is space Jesus. This was quite literally Lucas' intention.

[@MRDLT00]

@@OG-ColorfulAbyss. Yeah….don’t really dig that that much honestly. 😅

[@ParticularFix]

13:35 I'd like some examples of The Owl House having broken world building, to me it seemed head and shoulders above Star Wars's mess.

[@MRDLT00]

1:17:17 This part of the discussion particularly of note in that it is precisely the cause of why Kreia from Knights of the Old Republic 2 was raging about. Lucas’ Prequel “Force” had been turned into a mindful entity that enacted its will on the Galaxy. And since the Force at that point had become a stand in for the writers of the story, it was doing as Kreia said; causing untold suffering and destruction to create stories that the writers could sell the audience, and it needed to be stopped. 😅🤣

[@rustyslug2943]

Listen, I don't think Andor was satirizing the American justice system, because there was a much better target. The Soviet justice system, which even has the "evil empire" behind it. It's infamous for work camps.

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

Neither nation has a "Justice" system. They have an injustice system. A bullshit system. An intentionally flawed system.

[@benl2140]

The Witcher (particularly the early short stories) are the example I'd give of a story with good character work, but very loose worldbuilding.

[@NovaSoldier]

Surprisingly all the witcher books have a very minimal world building compared to the size of the story

[@BaronGrackle]

Also, here's an unpopular opinion: The Force Awakens is not just a copy of A New Hope. Or at least, not moreso than some other films in the franchise. When I have this argument, I could list the differences between how these films play out. The usual response is, "well it's close enough" or "well it's just a BAD copy". But meanwhile, I could list a paragraph of similarities between A New Hope and The Phantom Menace... including gems such as "the Jedi then takes young Skywalker away from Tatooine" and "Skywalker then destroys the mothership in his starfighter", and it gets dismissed. This is despite the fact that Lucas's infamous quote "it's like poetry; it rhymes" is aimed at those two films. The Force Awakens is still terrible. It has a huge list of issues - most of them, you'll notice, not being issues shared by A New Hope.

[@PJ-Creativity]

To that one chatter asking about slavery in sci fi, watch the pop culture detectives video on the tragedy of droids in Star Wars, it explains why slavery is so often seen in sci fi to some extent, especially the way that droids become stand ins for slavery throughout a lot of sci fi stories. Question for Sheev and Jolly (dunno if they’ll see this lol) a while ago a writing channel called The Closer Look rewrote the entire sequel trilogy and I thought it was really well done, just might be something you guys might wanna check out at some point cause I think you’d find it interesting, if you have the time lol. Love your videos, and can’t wait for Jolly’s video :D

[@sparkycjs]

Channel called Script Trooper did a good sequel rewrite too

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

Droids are not people. They only seem to have personalities because they've gone too long without an update or memory wipe. You cannot enslave tools.

[@DarthTelos]

Eastern Orthodoxy. I’d love to come on a discuss this sometime. Matters like the ghosts are akin to Orthodox Saints whom have acquired the Holy Spirit through theosis. There’s a reason Luke originally wore black. Jedi looked like they lived on Mount Athos. Similar with Ben looking like Saint Anthony the Desert father of monasticism. Ghosts have contact with the force in much the same way as Saints are in God’s presence. You may benefit from reading Saint John Clemicus Ladder of divine ascent in 15 minutes by Pleroma press. It will offer you a lot of insight into Eastern Christianity very quickly. This may help.

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

Yeah that bullshit is just as fictional as all of Star Wars, and just as stupid and bad as Disney Star Wars.

[@thetaomegatheta]

1:10:20 - Huh. That is a pleasant surprise.

[@jddj6747]

In legends there's an order of force users that have an eightfold patth as opposed to lighr/dark. That order mastered teleporting with the force. They got geno bombed

[@noahmoore6513]

Tf was the good night sleep tight comment lmao

[@TheSusej54]

im not too sure either but im guessing it must've been an obvious troll or intentially malicious response in the live chat that they removed.

[@DarthTelos]

I don’t think the Death Star had non ideologues on it. It’s essentially Area 51, you have to be highly invested morally in that system to serve there and be under NDA/ official secrets act.

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

If you're invested in something like the Death Star, you are not morally anything.

[@davindeptuck7905]

1:52:20 That's not a hard question to answer, and you've even shown a clip of George explaining the will of the Force in past videos. People (maybe not everyone) have a destiny, but also free will, so they can fuck up their destiny, so the will of the Force is adaptive in seeking balance. While George has said his intent was for Anakin to be the Chosen One, I think it's pretty clear in the EU at least that that mantle had to be passed by the will of the Force to Luke after Anakin failed. In Rebels and the OT, Obi-Wan is shown to basically believe this, though that does not mean this interpretation is true in canon. I also don't know why you think the prequels are predetermined. It was Anakin's choices that led him down the dark path, not fate.

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

Free will is a lie. "Oh, you have free will but if you don't use it for what I demand I'm gonna torture you for all eternity lol" that is NOT free.

[@kingorange7739]

@@OG-ColorfulAbyss.actually that still is free will. I won’t get into debate about theology with you. But having consequences for your actions doesn’t mean you weren’t free to make that choice. That’s like saying you can’t rob a store just because you’ll get arrested. No you still can, it’s just consequences await after.

[@BacJaw]

What do you mean we have a broken justice system? Prison's would never look out for self interests over prisoner rehabilitation! There's definitely not studies about what happens when you give people power over others. I'm sure it varies state-by-state, but my state allows for on-the-job training and only a high-school diploma to be a corrections officer. Basically, any wild wahoo who hasn't committed crimes (and been caught) can be a prison guard.

[@mrjh637]

I have watched this when the stream was live, a second time and currently lisitng again, and it could be that i am biased towards the prequel era, my upbringing when Isaw Star Wars orginally or i just wanna defend George Lucas but, you can aruge the Force's will existed in New Hope as Obi Wan tells Luke to use the force and the Force assisted him in the shot. That is kinda how I personally interpretated it as a kid when I first saw the film, its like Luke prayed to God and then something good happen so he associated it to praying to God. That being said George's contradictions make this incredibly hard to argue and its like an ink blot test. You can see in the force whatever you wanna see in the force.

[@dissraps]

no

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

It didn't assist him. He succeeded because he used it like he was told to. Like a tool or a part of himself. Not a separate thinking entity that helped him out.

[@wisdommanari6701]

Re-watching a third time

[@Da_Kow2020]

Am i an idiot? Where are jollys videos?!

[@jonahfalcon1970]

The problem is DISNEY shitcanned all of the secondary stories. So there is no consistency.

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

The problem is Disney exist

[@helenline1790]

17:45 54:25 1:11:40 2:51:25

[@PIRATEOTR]

>jolly talking about making yt videos >channel is still empty at this point i'm just confused. is it an elaborate prank? 😂

[@Coconut-219]

What are you talking about? Jolly's videos are in the same place as all countries where communism worked!

[@yagamifire7861]

@@Coconut-219 Those weren't real jolly videos!

[@Willyfanta]

15:00 the movie Interstellar has a dumb World, main character became a bookshelf on a Halo ring

[@Alpha23TV]

Quoting Kamala “Haha” Harris is nasty work 😂😂😂

[@sparksdog8111]

As an example for the question on stories with bad worldbuilding but a great plot and characters, well, I wouldn't say this story's worldbuilding is bad...but Invincible has worldbuilding that could only be created by someone with Earth shattering levels of lazy-writer syndrome.

[@DarthTelos]

Your problem with the force having a sentience is not the lack of free will, I don’t think it takes away free will. It steers events that people have chosen by free will. Your issue is that there is no consistant telos for the Logos of the force. If it’s will is it’s Logos, then what is that. This is why Christianity is a revealed religion, God has revealed himself, his logos and through John he has shown the Telos of the universe as well as of man. Man is for Theosis, the universe works towards judgment and the life to come. Paradise for the meek in the new world and heaven for those who achieve theosis. The problem is why would Jedi or Sith follow this faith. It’s not a faith, it’s a practise, that’s the issue. Like Buddhism. Where as you’re seeking the Telos. This is because you’ve been effected by being raised in the Carcass of Christendom. Orthodox judgement is pushed back when we we pray and God’s love and mercy allows more time for for man to repent or come to the faith. So we always have free will in this matter and all futures are possible by our own choices. You’re trying to ask the force’s end (Telos) but the FACT is that they haven’t revealed it and won’t. They aren’t philosophers, and now they won’t want to be seen to side with any real world faith over another etc. I’d love to discuss it if you’d ever like. I’m on your side but also am religious, so can answer your questions and why they’re quite correct to ask.

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

Free will is a lie. "Oh you have FREE will but if you use it for anything except what I! want then you're gonna burn and be tortured for ALL eternity lmao" is NOT free. and all that fairy tale nonsense is an even bigger fiction than ALL of Star Wars and even bigger load of shit than Disney Star Wars.

[@jonahfalcon1970]

Star Wars hasn't been good for 44 years. I can say this: I saw it first run in 1977.

[@kingorange7739]

Ok, depends on what you define by that. If you mean that bad stuff occurred for a while then sure, But suggesting that no good stuff came out in 1980 would be dishonest.

[@monkeydgarp9663]

Naruto had poor world building but it had pretty decent character writing.

[@wisdommanari6701]

Not really

[@OG-ColorfulAbyss.]

Main protagonist wins most fights with the power of talking is not good character building.

[@jonahfalcon1970]

Lol The politics of the prequels make no fucking sense. 😂😂😂

[@TheOdrinSearchParty]

Therefore politics should be avoided entirely, is that it?

[@jonahfalcon1970]

@@TheOdrinSearchParty Nice strawman. Where did I say that?

[@kingorange7739]

Also the politics of the prequels was never really an issue. Everything else was. While the politics are a very simple framework, they weren't exactly world breaking.

[@yagamifire7861]

Example?

[@fornax5798]

I wouldn't say they made no sense, id just go with they werent presented well enough. Unless you have a specific example whete they in fact made no sense

[@davindeptuck7905]

Idk why y'all hate Mortis so much. The meaning of it all is so vague and left up to interpretation that nothing about it is inherently canon-breaking. Moreover, the 'will of the Force' does not necessarily imply a Christian God-type sentience.

[@wisdommanari6701]

Hiding behind vague writing is not a defense. Because Abeloth definitely effected the material universe. And it seems like that is something that they're trying to bring back in Ahsoka. Not to mention that stupid bird from the sister is the reason Ahsoka was brought back in rebels so it still effects things

[@davindeptuck7905]

@@wisdommanari6701 Abeloth was never part of the original Mortis arc. Fate of the Jedi left a lot of things unanswered but they were clearly going somewhere concrete with it we never got to see. And really, are we blaming the Morai? It's Filoni who couldn't let go of his OC waifu long after she'd overstayed her welcome, the convor wasn't integral to her return by time travel. Besides, I was speaking just of the original three-episode Mortis arc, not whatever came later.

[@wisdommanari6701]

​@@davindeptuck7905 sure but none of that exist in a vaccum the father interpretation of balance, the fact that they kept their memories, Anakin bringing someone back from the dead... Like all that stuff does massive damage to what rules of the galaxy

[@jonahfalcon1970]

RedLetterMedia are actual filmmakers, and Mike Stoklasa didn't say "This is boring and I don't like it." What the fuck are you talking about? Depth? WHAT FUCKING DEPTH in the prequels?

[@Coconut-219]

"actual filmmakers" there is a Chris Stuckmann joke here somewhere...

[@TheOdrinSearchParty]

Haven't RLM themselves said that their own film was shit?

[@jonahfalcon1970]

@TheOdrinSearchParty Yes, and? Roger Ebert was a bad screenwriter. Do you know what the ad hominem fallacy is? Address what Stoklasa and company SAID in their reviews. Let me guess: you have no fucking idea what they said. 😅😂😅😂

[@jonahfalcon1970]

I don't have the patience to discuss this here because as a prequel trilogy fanboy whose scope of films and television are probably limited, you're not going to listen to me. 😏 Have a good time in your little echo chamber.

[@bpgifford]

46:00 I think their point is there was no background involved with the worldbuilding in episode 7 regarding the first order and republic. Prequel trilogy provided background information for the world building to explain the stage regarding separatist conflict, albeit poorly.