"YOU'RE NOT A TRAINED REFEREE!" 😳 Simon Jordan CALLS OUT Danny Murphy Over Fernandes Red Card Audio🔥

The VAR audio for Bruno Fernandes' red card against Spurs has been released, a week after Manchester United's successful appeal to overturn the ban. talkSPORT's Simon Jordan, Jim White and Danny Murphy have their say.
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[@singerpour6946]

VAR is so frustrating how could all 3 of them not get it right

[@vincentleech2156]

But everyone is missing the point, the whole bloody reason for var is to stop mistakes being made

[@davehayden1438]

Referees using VAR to prove themselves right. Instead of using it to improve their decision making process.

[@MikeD-r2c]

The linesman jumping with excitement ridiculous bias Danny is correct the ref should have checked it the linesman needs suspension

[@notfirstyourlast]

That linesman is absolutely cooked . Listen to that reaction...thats not the reaction of a non biased officiato....he was nearly crying. It's the linesman fault and he should be banned.

[@damongolds]

If you look at where the linesman is he is behind Bruno so he wouldn’t have noticed him slip. So from his point of view it was a high tackle. That’s why he said straight red and be honest from his point of view i thought it was red, until I see it from a different angle.

[@gladiatorscoops4907]

Why are so many ppl "cooked" atm? All I'm seeing on YT and social media is "such and such is cooked" "John Doe is cooking". This isnt Bake off can we please use a different turn of phrase! Think of all the corpulent ppl you are making hungry.

[@clintharper5509]

For me it was the reaction of someone who supports spurs or the reaction of someone who hates bruno or utd either way it's pure bias from someone who should be impartial.

[@slickus]

​@@gladiatorscoops4907oh cook off 😂😂😂

[@sambog2635]

should be banned 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤣🤣

[@sean5811]

Referees have owned up on pod casts saying they hated certain players.

[@timotron92]

what did the ref see to give a red, his view was partially blocked. surely he should be asking var for advise and not pulling out a red card within 2 seconds. shows these refs are biased

[@notfirstyourlast]

Did you hear the linesman?? "Ouuhh thats AWFULL, that's a red card for me 100%" .....

[@s12856]

The linesman made the decision, and the refs go with that if the ref didn't see. That's always been the case...

[@garethmccartan3636]

​@s12856 yeah but it's not 1980, VAR were useless on this incident and they should be sacked or at least reprimanded.

[@ancient1946]

Then the ref should have gone to the monitor to view the incident & make his OWN decision.

[@Woze899]

​@@ancient1946the ref cannot go to the monitor without the instruction of the var officials and am not vindicating him cos he should've never given a red card

[@Crovon1]

The PGMOL say "sorry we got it wrong" - but what changes?? Also sorry doesn't alter the result, the game has finished. This is why the rules of the game should be more clear cut and any subjectivity removed.

[@abhishekjha8645]

Bro all this is related to the "business case" that is football now. especially EPL. All of this VAR bs and related circus is for the business. As you aptly pointed out, game is done, result set in stone. These institutional investors, be it PEs or ME sovereign funds, are slowly but steadily killing the sport. They will do anything and everything to slow down the game (more the breaks, better the "business case" is). With every passing day, football across the globe is becoming less "sport" more "sports entertainment".

[@ashleyburns6752]

Worst refs on the planet, but it isnt fair that they pick and choose which wrong decisions to overturn.

[@nattytom7777]

Another reason why supporters need to stick together. These refs and VAR are disgraced .

[@rosswatson4003]

The issue is the linesman thought he saw something and made his mind up. He was also completely wrong. The linesman should be saying it’s a potential red, not saying anything with certainty. I don’t understand the reluctance to have the ref check the camera

[@alexandrekambala6309]

That linesman is clearly biased, guy said its 💯 % red card.

[@alexandrekambala6309]

This would never happen to a City or Liverpool player.

[@judahwhitman]

Did you not watch the Spurs vs. Liverpool game last season?! 🤦🏼

[@alexandrekambala6309]

@@judahwhitman that was last season aren't they supposed to improve on em old mistakes?

[@Woze899]

Victim

[@anthonyudeme8346]

The linesman is an absolute disgrace. Very unprofessional

[@vjaska]

That linesman should be dropped for upcoming games, no way he should of communicated the decision the way he did. The ref, for once, has been done like a kipper by both the linesman and VAR officials

[@baz3338]

A scouse on var for a utd game what could go wrong

[@xNSHD]

we starting that arguement again about ref bias. behave you wet lettuce.

[@Ozzy87]

The linesman bias here is absolutely scandalous, he should not be aloud back on a field again.

[@ShaneMckenna-ze3ud]

The lines man was the issue. They shouldnt speak until they are asked for the opinion. Lines man was way too quick to shout "that's a foul for me" it was rash but it wasn't a red.

[@notfirstyourlast]

The tone of he's reaction doesn't sound like someone who should be an official. He was emotional...

[@sambog2635]

linesman shouldnt speak to ref 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤣🤣

[@xNSHD]

@@sambog2635 complete wet wipes the lot of them football fans arent they. can count the brian cells on one hand.

[@wantagebacon]

Danny's right about the 'lets have a look' advice for the ref. They should have the calmness and confidence to do so.

[@leroysimon5692]

👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾

[@xNSHD]

hes right that should have happened but not right in thinking he would have done that because you simply dont know unless you are there. very easy to say what you would do in that situation after the fact days later.

[@NickAndrewsJamacian]

No way did Jim seriously have to ask if the refs should be admitting when they’re wrong

[@atheyno9]

That linesman was completely emotional as soon as that happened and got it completely wrong. VAR also got it completely wrong ….VAR should be scrapped

[@elbmw]

@atheyno9 Why!? Because the petulant crybaby Fernandes got sent off for a stupid challenge that endangered a fellow footballer?

[@atheyno9]

@@elbmw why? Because the red card got overturned by the referees association because the referee, assistant and VAR all got the decision wrong. Endangered a fellow footballer 😂 tell me you’ve never played the game or watched the game and aren’t a wet wipe without telling me all 3 😂 jog on soy boy

[@KevinSheedy10]

The linesman response was completely understandable when someone deliberately trips someone in a cynical way miles away from the ball. That is outrageous to any player or fan because it is basically assault and has no part in the game. You can't just go around kicking people.

[@xNSHD]

then would you stop complaining? no you wouldn't. go away nonsense take.

[@atheyno9]

@@KevinSheedy10 assault 🤣 the games gone soft, its a yellow card even in today's soft standards. You wouldnt last 5 mins in a sunday league game

[@daviddeepred8446]

Linesman should be investigated!

[@fredfox1764]

3 mistakes .the linesman ,the ref ,the var ,how many safeguards do these people need to ref a match

[@blvck5943]

“11 players on the pitch and 4+ coaches how do you make mistakes? How many safeguards do players need?”

[@xNSHD]

human beings make mistakes. however im sure you have never made one in your life. whats so hard to get your head around that.

[@alexmethodiousbwayo7504]

Simon as Usual is looking for a way of being controversial!

[@ALMOSTUNITED]

Let's get it right here. It's a fact. Some teams jus don't get cards

[@xNSHD]

stats say every team has had players carded so that fact is wrong.

[@barrychester3759]

We've gone from one person who could get decisions wrong and 'possibly' having their own prejudice, agendas, bets or individual interpretation to 5 or 6. A recipe for the disaster it is now showing itself to be!

[@notfirstyourlast]

And also taking 4x longer to get to the wrong decision, while simultaneously removing any joy from goal celebrations for fear of an infringement found by micro analysing 20 minutes leading into the goal. Football has now become WOKE

[@davidmurphy2563]

I’m any other profession if you’re incompetent at you’re job and consistently making mistakes you’d be fired ! These lot aren’t even held accountable!

[@Crovon1]

Who is the voice saying "oh god, that's a straight red form what I've seen!" at the start of the incident? Surely the on field ref should be making the decision and then referring to VAR if he has to?

[@notfirstyourlast]

That's the linesman...absolutely crazy reaction. Nees to be suspended.

[@abiodunoni420]

It's the assistant referee. He was closest to the action.

[@MaximusOwen1]

I don’t blame the lino for thinking that’s a red from a certain angle, especially at full speed. The real mistake there is it not being overturned when they’ve looked at it from all the angles.

[@dondamon4669]

​@@MaximusOwen1it's how excited he was which was weird

[@Richardowusubediako]

All of them ref, assist and VAR officials are incompetent. What prevents them from asking the referee to see it again on the monitor so he can take a moment to consider his decision?

[@MrBiaklian]

SIMON WOULD SAY APPLES ARE BLUE IF MAN UNITED SAYS IT'S RED

[@MikeD-r2c]

Simon has to do this he was a failure at everything else

[@oliversarmy2629]

Jordan is a rag fan.

[@xNSHD]

@@MikeD-r2c bet you wish you had even half the success in life simon has. i for one would have loved to have sold a business for almost £80million and pocket over 30m for myself.

[@trevorjoneill707]

well said

[@anubpaljor9504]

VAR in Cricket is so proper, why cant football do the same? Maybe give the 2 captains 3 challenges each to invoke VAR, like in Cricket.

[@paulsmith57]

Never a red card, it's only a red card to people who nar nowt about football and have never played it

[@johnsonkaturuza5393]

Any temps to create perfection in an imperfect system has created more disorder, VAR has been disastrous for the Premier League.

[@gillie-monger3394]

The 3% Improvement in correct decisions made by VAR over pre-VAR, is simply not worth the hassle it's causing.

[@steinarseverson2765]

Danny wants the ref to hear “no studs and there’s a slip.” I wish the ref would, but he has Bruno in his face and is explaining to him that it’s being checked (you can here him say it). This one is one the Video Refs.

[@conner.9262]

VAR should have asked the referee to go to the pitch side monitor……..

[@Hunter8413]

Should of banned him for life for been a moaning c^*t

[@aroden]

There was an instant a few years ago when a referee admitted he didnt send Frank Lampard off because it was Frank, and “not like him”, so it has happened Danny

[@Luckaby]

Amazing how much the assistant ref's voice sounds like commentator Darren Fletcher

[@travisclifford6468]

You've got to ask what the point in var is... To get rid of mistakes but the mistakes are still constant week in week out.

[@sevovevo3396]

So the linesman made the decision. Since when do Linesmen make huge calls? Total catastrophic breakdown

[@blvck5943]

Danny VARs deliberation isn’t heard by the on field referee 😂😂 they buzz in the audio we hear is mostly just VAR hearing the on field refs and deliberating amongst each other

[@ianbakewell6433]

Why were the Liverpool vs Tottenham and Fernandes red card VAR audios allowed to go public, yet Nottingham Forest were told that they could hear the Everton VAR audio, but it couldn't go public?

[@monicabuttimer8475]

Danny is doing his homework the same as martin

[@somegeezer4058]

VAR official was a scouser. It was only ever going to go one way.

[@philanimagagula5458]

Why's a scouse VAR reffing a united game?? Isn't that a conflict of interest??

[@Vincent77654]

We need to hear all audio like they do in rugby. The VAR people should not be the mates of the referees, they should be people who are used to using editing suites and computers trained in football rules. So they are quicker at getting the correct views and making the right decisions. Once a week Howard web should do press conference, where he has to answer all questions from the media !

[@aaronzs]

The point of transparency is for accountability but if the refs or var are not punished then what’s the point.

[@ashleytravel5829]

They say in life in general it is OK to make mistakes as long as you learn from them but VAR doesn't appear to be learning!

[@ph5849]

Please can a ex player or pundit show us how to ref without any mistakes!! Shut up and show us how to officiate a bunch of cheats rolling every tackle! Remember you have 90 mins to win a game, but it’s always the refs fault! Football has become a pathetic game!

[@dondamon4669]

Why would a millionaire do that job 😂

[@E.TenHag]

The issue is VAR, not the on field referee. We understand they make mistakes. The problem is VAR has 15 angles and unlimited replays and still gets it wrong.

[@killcam109]

Before VAR you would forgive the Refs missing something or getting something wrong. But they now have the benefit of watching replays and the VAR officials are making mistakes. There's no excuses for wrong calls when you have the benefit of the replays.

[@bb5979]

Just the slightest amount of consistency will do. Nowadays nobody really knows what the rules are they seem to change every game

[@xNSHD]

@@dondamon4669 because you have people like danny keeping on saying that there should be ex players in VAR which is ridiculous to think of.

[@sean5811]

The problem with VAR is they start concentrating on new things. The time wasting last season, the kicking the ball away this season before they have sorted the basics out first. They still dont know if the balls goe out, offsides or hand balls. Thats tthe problem.

[@alanmccartney3922]

Danny's comment was wrong. Lot of footballers and presenters still think its red.

[@alexndrmstd]

No point in VAR when the majority of decisions are subjective. Have tech for the objective decisions like ball over the line etc but get rid of VAR - It ruins the game and undermines the officials on the pitch.

[@Philpot1992]

That's the problem though, they aren't meant to be subjective.

[@voteformethanks5307]

There is a point . VAR gets over 9/10 calls right, before VAR it was 8/10. is the difference worth the delays etc, well thats a different talking point

[@dannybradley8391]

​@@voteformethanks5307 Those statistics are subjective.

[@Philpot1992]

@@voteformethanks5307 in England but elsewhere it's higher than 9 out of 10 lol. Premier league even refused the tech that was used in the world cup to ensure offside lines are accurate. They have actively encouraged humans to make decisions even when their subjectiveness isn't warranted.

[@voteformethanks5307]

course its why you employ pros

[@MyrieAllen]

Definitely was cause it was Bruno 100%

[@tompopus]

Thats a red card 100% 😂😂 That language alone speaks volumes lol

[@tiongchiongjunn2011]

Whatever they wanna do, the fact remains that city has never got a debatable 50/50 decision went against them.

[@conroytalks5487]

The Ref doesn't hear all VAR audio discussions. You should know this when you are talking about this subject.

[@victorongaro3485]

PGMOL sometimes chooses to defend the indefensible, and sometimes they choose to admit mistakes. They are neither consistent on the pitch nor off the pitch.

[@Matthew-ot1zf]

It's the linesman's job to either keep his flag down or put it up, it's not his job to say that's a red card

[@jeffspruance9388]

I don’t understand why the center ref can’t stop the game and go look at a replay on his own accord. If the ref thinks it’s a potential red card, penalty, etc but he isn’t sure, he should be able to go look himself.

[@clivistonelewis8806]

Despite Slipping He Kicked out,Lashed Out,at The Player,Which Was Intentional,He Caught the Player,Fernandez is a Lucky Guy!

[@alexandrekambala6309]

You clearly don't like Bruno and/or Man United if this had happened to one of your players even if it's a defender or a known hard tackler you wouldn't be saying that, be realistic man.

[@garethmccartan3636]

​​@@alexandrekambala6309 hypocrites won't understand the truth you just laid out in front of them.

[@benfuller2890]

i implore you to watch the replay again.... that is just never a red card

[@HN-zw5gp]

​@@garethmccartan3636 And Haters would also be blind to the Truth even if its laid out in front of them with Video Proof.

[@nathanliepner689]

Clearly only played the game from your PlayStation

[@glennmadzonga5163]

After seeing spurs bottle it agaisnt Brighton who knows what would’ve happened in the second half without that red

[@drschma]

VAR handing Spurs another win just like against Liverpool in 2023

[@shekel2356]

Red or no red Simon Jordan is genuinely insufferable 😂

[@jodyhamill]

Yip he's an absolute ball bag

[@leroysimon5692]

👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾

[@GrahamM2341]

Craig Pawson definitely has a vendetta against Everton so that’s nonsense

[@mewe1771]

Jim White is typical journalist. He wants perfection. YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO GET PERFECTION.

[@craig1669]

Are we just ignoring the scouseness of the var official then??

[@clintharper5509]

I think all this could have been avoided if the ref went to monitor, & why is it not mandatory for the ref to go to the monitor when making a decision to send someone off, it's abit like the saying measure twice cut once, once you send someone off you can't bring them back on so why don't you make sure before sending them off.

[@Faline68]

What's the use of the pitch side monitors if they can't ask the refs to go use it.. It's stupidity on their part.. They impact games and say sorry later

[@christophermackinnon2724]

im a united fan defo red big shout out danny murphy great plsyer always talks sense

[@nattytom7777]

Where are you when Liverpool /Wolverhampton and Arsenal players get sent off. We should stick together as VAR, and the refs are corrupt.

[@christophermackinnon2724]

@@nattytom7777 im here 24/7 for my club

[@joysondsilva7206]

May this cost as the game with 1 man short

[@Ricky-nb1sb]

A scouser on var for man utd game what an absolute dumb idea

[@amitgrg5874]

what time do referee go to screen when there is so much doubts ?

[@chiii2485]

Simon, what is the point of having the transparency when nothing happens after the fumbles? What exactly? We keep seeing terrible officiating week after week and nothing has changed. How does a trained ref look at that and say it’s red card? How exactly?

[@mickdundee920]

Why not use cam to check stop with far if you don't use it the right way

[@markc266]

Lmao VAR was like uhhhh refs choice?

[@mazdakmorati2297]

The red was because he is a Man U player. Have any City or Liverpool players gotten a red in the last 3-4 seasons ????

[@stephentomlinson1970]

Just makes it worse when they can’t make a decision and then when they do it’s overruled. Red card all day long.

[@joealderson889]

Danny refuses to believe the referees don't have t in for certain players. Well Danny, ex referees have admitted that they did. The ref was too quick to pull out the red, the linesman was most at wrong for his comments immediately after when he clearly didn't see the incident correctly. VAR topped off the round of errors by not instructing the ref to take a look himself because it was nothing like what the linesman thought he saw.

[@lordboredgaming]

It's not that wrong though is it? Bruno slipped and in frustration , after slipping kick his leg up to catch Maddison high intentionally and not the ball. Maybe a red is harsh but to overturn it us madness.

[@TheVanpablo79]

Don’t GAF about English football, but I’d have concerns with how the assistant got involved

[@abhishekjha8645]

I dont understand the rationale behind this circus. This whole releasing the audio business.. The game is done. The result is set in stone. What is the point of these unnecessary discussions and debates?

[@kylowhen2639]

2:02 to skip White's waffle

[@rayjugo]

Danny has a point though

[@vincentmcloughlin1172]

He is an assistant! He should not be forceful and basically making the decision. That's a weak referee. He is the 'boss' and should act like it. The assistant is a stronger personality and that's why this happened. That referee needs to grow a pair! And I'm at this for 29 years!!!😂😂

[@sonyfreak69wb]

Can’t we simply every red from a ref is automatically looked at by the referee within the match

[@chrisbax760]

If that’s not absolutely bias from the linesman the way he went for Fernandes there I don’t know what is…. Shocking from the linesman and then very poor from VAR… United must really have destroyed these lots childhoods

[@D.Records]

Yall played better with 10 men

[@alexandrekambala6309]

@chrisbax760 you're right bro😂😂😂

[@chrisbax760]

@@D.Records fair point 😂

[@KevinSheedy10]

Utd did indeed ruin our childhoods and it makes their current plight all the more enjoyable. It's been a great 6/7 years and I am continuing to enjoy the ride. Pantomime villains like Fernandes and clowns like McGuire make you genuinely worth watching.

[@chrisbax760]

@@KevinSheedy10 only 6/7 years? Haven’t won the league for 11…..

[@dondamon4669]

Now theres so many people that can make money from betting on a decision now used to be mainly one! Imagine being in that job and you know giving someone a red card if done right could set you up for life! Who wouldn't be tempted especially when the players are so unlikable now

[@DRIVER-SEBVET]

Refereeing has been nothing short of disgusting, completely inconsistent and seems to be going after arsenal more than any other team... 4 points lost already due to referees screwing up...

[@briodundada]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 the conversation is hilarious

[@kennyparker1052]

Information after that fact I've shat myself but 3 days later my pants r clean POINTLESS

[@Matthew-ot1zf]

Why is the linesman saying that's a red card

[@BG_MKY]

As they said iys a high foot and no atempt to play the ball 😂 clear as day

[@goldthorpe1]

Murphy's claim that refs don't make decisions against particular individuals is laughable. If a player gets a reputation for exaggerating tackles against them (diving), refs will hardly ever give free kicks in their favour.

[@JadeJeftha-t9u]

Theres a lot to unpack here. VAR is a good initiative just used poorly. Football refs need to learn from rugby TMO. The ref should use VAR in consultation to a decision that he makes. Football is more fast paced and the players aren't as disciplined as rugby players so in order to enforce decision first and foremost the PGMOL in concert with clubs need to underline the importance of not trying to influence on field decisions during match I.e players hounding the ref. With that being said teams must be able to contest a decision if they feel aggrieved. Almost like a review system in cricket where each team gets 2-3 reviews per game in the event that a on field decision is contested for VAR to intervene and the ref having to replay the said incident on screen. With audio of course so that we as fans are made aware of how the ref came to that decision.

[@pbfey]

Accountability is a good thing, which is why any and all VAR decisions should begin and end with the ref in the middle. No decision should be made by any eye in the sky; rather, this tool should be just that--a device to aid the referee's judgment. The man or woman in the middle should be the person to initiate any check. VAR as it is now actually undermines the on-field officials. If the center ref isn't sure about something, stop the match and go to the monitor. If they are sure, make the call. They are human and they will make mistakes, just like players. But it will be the mistake of someone in the middle of the action. You can't legislate or automate the humanity out of the game. If you did, what would the pundits have to talk about?! Let go of the idea that VAR will eliminate mistakes. Let go of the idea that checking the screen is negatively impacting the flow of the game. Let go of the idea that the refs are biased. At that level and that speed of play these people must react in a split second to incidents--and for those who've never refereed, that means running through a mental list of multiple considerations before making each and every immediate decision that you and I see. It is not easy. It's not always correct. But it's made by someone on the pitch.

[@ColonelSternlove]

Why has Simon deleted a weird lisp on certain words?

[@JDaniels101]

It’s a red, Bruno was being a slippery, sneaky snake like he always is

[@jaymontana9]

I would give Bruno a red for just being on the field with his stinking attitude lol

[@VicWatson-o7w]

Red card v Man U player… obvious mistake

[@matthiele]

Viera on van nist? didnt even touch him - red. if that was right then this was a def red!

[@sean5811]

Old Jordan always kisses Webbs butt. Even when Webb admits they got it wrong.

[@shellsbignumber2]

It was only two small team involved anyway.