Listener HITS OUT At Martin Keown For Comparing Leverkusen To Arsenal's Invincibles! ❌

Just how good are Bayer Leverkusen? talkSPORT's Jim White, Simon Jordan and Martin Keown have their say!
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[@jackb5640]

Yes its not comparable. If Leverkusen win the cups theyll have done the treble too, so its a far greater achievement.

[@guyverjay1289]

It's a greater achievement, not necessarily a greater side. I think the invincibles would beat Leverkusan in a one off match personally. Just my opinion

[@Antec76]

@@guyverjay1289that’s what makes it even more impressive

[@bozuk2011]

@@guyverjay1289 i doubt that when they couldn't beat european teams in CL in that season.

[@guyverjay1289]

@@bozuk2011 - oh you mean the team that beat inter Milan away 1 -5, got to the quarter finals and were only knocked out by another English Team that finished second behind them that season...Chelsea. 🙄 Clearly you don't know what you are talking about

[@soulboy71]

🤡

[@Kuddochan]

Unbeaten across all competitions, with a rookie manager and a team that never even won the league before. Just breached the world record for longest unbeaten run across all competitions since European football began as well. Of course it’s more impressive than what Arsenal did, I think the overwhelming majority of people agree on that much. It’s one of the most sensational seasons a club has ever had.

[@bobsocks7575]

*European record

[@Kuddochan]

@@bobsocks7575 Well yes, though since we’re talking about Uefa competitions it’s practically the same thing

[@harisabbasi1699]

Bit of a German farmer's league though. Look how easy Xhaka is finding it there, compare that to the PL. Leverkusen couldn't do it in the PL.

[@SCW_Fitness]

@@harisabbasi1699A farmers league because of Bayern Munichs dominance which makes Leverkusen even more impressive!

[@SlaughterByName]

​@harisabbasi1699 farmers league? What isn't a farmers league then? Cause I don't see one English team in any European competition. Germans were in the semis and are in the finals of the UCL. So you can't tell me the prem isn't a farmers league. The same 2 teams have been winning it for almost 10 years

[@Animalistic9]

"They've reached the German cup final, i didn't know that" *Unbeaten* Jim... They're *unbeaten*

[@tsmay4598]

You can get knocked out of the cup without losing.

[@peggi18]

@@tsmay4598how’s that?

[@Neville-ne5fp]

@@peggi18am waiting for his explanation as well since they scrap the away goal rule

[@pizzagateisreal]

​@peggi18 penalties but technically that's losing imo

[@Neville-ne5fp]

@@pizzagateisreal that count as a lost so this nonsense about you can get knocked out of a cup without loosing is pure rubbish just show how dumb some people are

[@alexischristou3266]

I would say what Leverkusen are doing right now is by far in a way more impressive then Arsenal's invincibles as they have not lost a single match accross every competition they are in so far this season.

[@ps5andstuffhere]

Arsenal were in the UCL. Leverkusen are in uefa cup/europa league. Massive difference. The invincibles team would also beat this Leverkusen team fairly easy

[@bahriboy]

It is very special esp as they aren't the biggest team in Germany. However you do understand that the league matters right?? Go look up unbeaten teams.. there's a wiki page just for it. you'll be shocked how many teams do it. The difference is doing it at the top level. It would have been more interesting if Leverkusen were in the CL.. unfortunately we'll never know.

[@applenuts]

A lot easier to go unbeaten in the bundesliga than the premier league

[@memeenjoyer2082]

@@applenuts PL in 03/04 is not stronger than current Bundesliga, you are delusional

[@mloose7870]

Everyone agrees expect delusional Assnal fans don’t worry

[@user-oq1hf4kd5b]

I’m sorry, but as an arsenal fan it’s clear that if leverkusen win the treble, it’s a much better achievement than our unbeaten run. Credit to them.

[@Rob-hy8vb]

Miles better than what Arsenal done

[@NikkiStamp-or9oe]

Of course. Every opportunity to downplay whatever ARSENAL is. I'm not surprised lol.

[@interestedbystander196]

How do you figure it is better than Arsenal's invincibles season? As far as I know, Leverkusen have not yet done it. EL, German Cup, and Bundesliga are all still active, so they have not yet achieved invincibles status. All they have now is a _VERY_ impressive unbeaten run - best ever in fact - but they are not yet invincibles...

[@thomasmurray5721]

@@interestedbystander196 quit yapping bro

[@interestedbystander196]

@thomasmurray5721 Nah, I reckon I'll articulate what I want, when I want. Show me what I've put across that is incorrect. No yapping of any description here. Bro.

[@jeannotschumacher1024]

Todays Arsenal team would wasily beat Leverkusen

[@abitrich]

Arsenal were not Invincible, they were unbeaten in the league. Only Preston North End were truly invincible in 1889. Leverkusen may well match them 135 years later.

[@tris87don16]

🥱

[@singerpour6946]

Yh arsenal were invincible in the league couldn’t be beaten in the league warra gold trophy for arsenal 😂

[@bengilliam7877]

Preston who had to go 22 league games unbeaten compared to Arsenal's 38? Have a day off

[@abitrich]

@@bengilliam7877 Preston also won the FA Cup without even conceding a single goal. Compared to Arsenal who LOST to Man Utd in the FA Cup, LOST TWICE to Middlesborough in the League cup, LOST TWICE in the group stage of the Champions League and then LOST again to Chelsea. A team that loses 6 games is NOT, by the very definition of the word, invincible.

[@Lovelydropp]

@@abitrichmate your comparing pub uncompetitive football to Premier league football 😂 compare them to Leverkusen who are playing in charity competitions all season

[@mloose7870]

Yeah Martin’s right, Leverkusens treble will be much greater!

[@iziegbeehiorobo8012]

They are not winning the treble mate!

[@olilais92]

Leverkusens unbeaten run is 10x better than arsenal's 😂😂😂

[@23293]

none of these leverkusen players are world class🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Lovelydropp]

For sure, doesn’t changd the fact this leverkusen team lost 10 times out of 10 playing that arsenal side

[@stewbie5086]

@@Lovelydroppsmacked around a Bayern side twice that were too good for Arsenal in the CL. Looks like you’re wrong on that too 😂

[@Lovelydropp]

Clearly your not all there in the head mate, arsenal in 2004 were out done by Bayern in 2024? Makes sense doesn’t it

[@connorclaydon3442]

@@stewbie5086you’re mad, just because something is a greater achievement, doesn’t mean it’s a greater side. Leicester winning the league is imo the greatest achievement but doesn’t make them the greatest side

[@jp3622]

If Leverkusen win the treble then of course it’s better than arsenals because they would have gone the season in beaten. What a wally

[@bahriboy]

The competitions you're in matter. EL vs CL is no comparison, & also Germany is far lower than EPL. Also EPL doesn't help their teams in Europe.

[@oisinocallaghan17]

​​@@bahriboy by which metric is the German league worse? Number of teams in European competition next year, number of teams in the semis of European competition? Dortmund are 5th and in the final meanwhile no english teams could even sniff that. Delusional premier league fans and delusional Arsenal fans never cease to amaze. Rule Brittania amirite

[@L4stNumb3r]

Yet only Aston Villa made it to the semi final out of all the English Teams this season. Lol. ​@@bahriboy

[@bobsocks7575]

@@bahriboyDid Arsenal get to the final of the FA Cup, League Cup, or a European competition final?

[@LM-vs1ip]

@@bahriboy And in what way does the Bundesliga help german teams? They played their normal schedule

[@Samw8484]

If Leverkusen win every competition they are in and go unbeaten that pisses all over the Arsenal invincible season. That will be the true invincible season going unbeaten in every game they played all season.

[@23293]

cope

[@RizwanKhan-fb2qv]

Winning the premier league is bigger than any of the trophies that Leverkusen are going to win

[@Samw8484]

@@RizwanKhan-fb2qv That's not the point if they go unbeaten in every game they have played in this season it tops winning the Premier league by a mile. It will be the best season any club team has ever had as nobody has ever done it. Fact!!!

[@negberrrr]

​@@RizwanKhan-fb2qvdownplaying other leagues to hype up leverkusen 😂 leverkusen achievement is objectively far greater than arsenals

[@lawrencebaker1811]

@@RizwanKhan-fb2qv so is winning over that delusional bs brain of yours which is very likely impossible

[@SBandy]

If Bayer Leverkusen go the whole season unbeaten with 3 trophies it is by far the better achievement than Arsenal going unbeaten in only the Premier League. I hope the newly trademarked "Invincibes" tag by the Arsenal boys has an asterix beside it to clarify it was only for the Premier League that season.

[@87Michael]

You guys love an asterix don’t you?

[@SBandy]

Who is you guys?

[@leeviper1584]

In that case, you’ll need an asterix to explain that leverkusen European games were in the second tier competition, and that there league is a 34-game season. Only makes sense

[@SBandy]

​​@@leeviper1584 Not at all. If the level of competition was a factor then it would be done repeatedly wouldn't it? It wouldn't have taken 60 plus years to beat Benfica's previous record would it? If Bayer go the whole season unbeaten in every competition and win all 3 trophies it is clearly a bigger achievement than Arsenal's unless you are just a blinkered Arsenal fan.

[@leeviper1584]

@@SBandy no, don’t particularly like Arsenal and don’t think anyone needs to have an asterisk. I just don’t know why you think have to redefine something because some other team also had an outstanding season. The level of competition does of course come into it as much as the number of competitions does, but like I said, let each club and their fans define what is invincible as they please.

[@heyheyhe0011]

Leverkusen going a full season undefeated, possibly winning all three competitions is an incredible achievement. They still have three league games and two cup finals to go. But if they do win it, I think it will be remembered as one of the Europe’s best ever team regardless of playing in a so called farmer’s league and winning the Europa league instead of the champions league.

[@frankbevan413]

Not so called farmers league = is a farmers league

[@oisinocallaghan17]

​@@frankbevan413 can't tell if you're a moron or a troll? Farmers league with 3 teams in European semi finals while your precious prem had 1 in a made up joke of a competition that got spanked by Olympiacos?

[@thisricardopalma]

​@@frankbevan413 i thought it was France the farmers league? 🤔 maybe it's the first division of the farmers league then?! 😂😂

[@Kuddochan]

@@frankbevan413 Ironically out of the top 5 leagues, the one that’s had the same team winning it the most times in a row now is England with City, if Arsenal doesn’t manage to somehow win it this season. The EPL is not really in any better position as far as the top teams farming the rest of the domestic competition nowadays. You end up with teams on 90+ points all the time because of how top-heavy it’s become due to all the money they have

[@frankbevan413]

@@Kuddochan difference is with Man city ? Man city have changed the way the world plays football whilst winning the premier league. Premiership should start to worry when Man city win it 13x on the bounce (like teams in farmers leagues do)

[@CoachKnapovicSports]

Leverkusen didn't have a player dive against Portsmouth to earn a penalty and a draw... :P

[@marzipanmonkey]

You make it sound like it was the last minute of the game and the deciding factor. Arsenal could still have won that game without that moment. Either way - Arsenal remain the Invincibles and no club have managed to match it in PL history. ;)

[@CoachKnapovicSports]

@@marzipanmonkey Arsenal were poor that game! Never will be done in PL history again you are right and fair play. Not up to Arsenal to police those things and they got the job done.

[@Manchester68322]

Arsenal lost more games in all competitions during their invincible season (6) than United lost in their treble season (4) Leverkusen’s feat is already superior to Arsenal’s

[@iziegbeehiorobo8012]

You may try, but cannot take away their achievement lol

[@Salfordchappy]

There was no listen hitting out at anyone lol brilliant click bait,Martin had to stick it in with leverkusen only having to play 34 league matches they are the new invincibles Martin

[@frglrk]

Arsenal shouldn’t have entered this convo… it’s hard to compare the 2 achievements. Both are remarkable and it’s a disservice to try to say one is better than the other.

[@jackdominiak445]

Leverkusen have been brilliant, but Atalanta are no mugs in a one off game and Leverkusen are missing a lot of chances. I hope they do the unbeaten treble, but it will be tough

[@paulwright6297]

what Leverkusen are doing is better than the invincibles season because these are doing it in every competition where as arsenal collapsed at the back end of the season going out of every comp then just playing for draws in the league.

[@hustler666100]

Less games in a weaker league and weaker european competition

[@gladiatorscoops4907]

And the only 2 decent teams Leverkusen have played and managed to not lose to are Bayern (who were struggling for form tbf at the time and Dortmund.)

[@paulwright6297]

​@hustler666100 not really at that time the premier league only had 2 good teams and for the last 6 or 7 games against poor teams arsenal were just out not to lose. so I will say it again Leverkusen is a greater achievement with a lesser team.

[@hustler666100]

@@paulwright6297 If they were in the champs league Id agree

[@paulwright6297]

​@hustler666100 yes but arsenal crashed out of every cup and then played not to lose like I said and leverkusen are a much smaller team than arsenal hence why what they're are doing is better they just avoided relegation last season

[@Adse9393]

Let's not do this please. I bet leverkusen to come to premier league and be 49 unbeaten. The reality is they won't be able to do it. Premier league is different gravy. Going on a 49 match unbeaten run ain't happening here mate. There will be only one greatest invincible and that is arsenal of 03/04

[@nulifestylefitness]

It's irrelevant though really. Arsenal invincibles was impressive but to win 3 trophies including a European one and demolishing Bayern who happened to knock out Arsenal will be a much better accomplishment. Munich were the favourites. Alonso transformed them in a machine... But that's only if they actually do it... Let's be real you cakes walked the league second place was 79. Hardly competitive was it

[@lawrencebaker1811]

and don't forget the greatest delusional mugs on the planet, Arsenal fans. Enjoy the city parade for that tile you could have won

[@gigglemaniarunninwild2207]

Bayern aren’t 20 points ahead in second place, what the hell is he on about?

[@razr8296]

Its even insulting to compare banter fc season facing the Derbys of this world and losing in the KO phase against Bayern, while Leverkusen does the total opposite in all competitions.

[@emmanuelumoren5230]

You really cant compare both. Leverkusen is magnificent.

[@laith183]

English media are so up tham self wake up the best coches in epl are European

[@jhpfdijtuiweruot]

You seem to have a problem with English men. Who hurt you?

[@juleswithoutriches]

Eddie Howe is quality manager and never gets his roses so I dunno what you are on about. European managers are put on pedistools by English media so no idea what angle you are coming from.

[@hustler666100]

English are European lmao did you do geography at your school

[@intenzityd3181]

And yet the best coaches in English history have been British. Weird. The period of greatest dominance was when teams were entirely British. Weird. How did we go from Liverpool and others destroying Europe every year to thinking we needed foreigners? Such strange thinking.

[@Twiggys145]

No one has ever denied this?

[@benjaminmarshall1068]

Its on another level to anyone in history...on for the treble my mobs Arsenal couldnt even beat Boro in the Invincibles run,Bayern crumbled to this Elite Leverkusen that weekly recover

[@fugitivemoses7515]

We can only say the Prem has declined if we see the same levels of performance in Europe as we saw this year. For this season, the premier league underachieved. There's no doubt about it.

[@isaywhatithink1223]

did the premier league underachieve or do the media just brainwash you into thinking every other league is a farmers league in comparison to Premier league. and also all international sides are a bunch of farmers compared to England. nope. your a bunch of delusional pricks

[@doubleeph8920]

Juventus also went unbeaten in serie a under Conte in the 2011/12 season but people don't seem to mention this.

[@SW-kr9fl]

This is something you do on FIFA career mode or Football Manager. It’s an incredible achievement.

[@astradala1845]

It’s not even close. That Arsenal team got banged out of the cups. This leverkusen team are on track to win EVERYTHING.

[@hafizur91]

1 thing i notice was alonso rotates a lot, and they still win. Players come off the bench in the last 15-20 minutes and still score.

[@Officialkingz1]

I'm an Arsenal fan, and I've got to give kudos to Leverkusan. They've done it across all comps, and if they win the cups aswell tgat would make it all the more impressive.

[@samlasley798]

Now that the Bundesliga season is over, 90 points from just 34 games is insane

[@rosshaugh7937]

I love how Jim goads Martin by saying how calm Alonso is on the touchline. Brilliant!

[@singerpour6946]

I’m a massive arsenal fan and I wouldn’t usually say that as it isn’t normally relevant but I just want to say, if leverkusen manage to go the whole season unbeaten in all comps that is more impressive than our unbeaten league season fair play to them!

[@smoeellot]

The invincible’s season achievement by Arsenal surpasses Bayern Leverkusen’s primarily due to the strength of their respective league

[@lawrencebaker1811]

so does you Arsenal fans with your levels of delusions over other fans. Mind you, with no title in 20 years I can see why you'd be peddling nonsense like this, not got much else to go on.

[@edbarrett7692]

Not sure of the metric that you use to judge the respective "strength" of the leagues, but the German teams went further in the UCL this season... ans Arsenal won nothing else that season! (I could be wrong there,but if there's no "edit" I stand by my words)

[@ohannesjarjisfrancis8837]

Arsenal also had much better players, at least on paper as a top English team

[@Koluvuma]

As an arsenal fan , they are way better than the invincibles. It’s facts. I’m happy with that. Our time is done with that history and now there’s a new generation of invincibles. Be happy that it happened and it’s happening than being upset. We r witnessing history

[@frasierfreak92]

Unbeaten across all competitions is far more of an achievement than Arsenal drawing their way through half a season.

[@Grant-xh3qq]

Leverkusen have been remarkable this season. By far passed my expectations

[@MD_ENTERTAINMENT]

That Arsenal team dropped 24 points that season, and the very next season Chelsea dropped only 19 points, winning more games, conceding fewer goals, scoring more goals and gaining more points. What the Chelsea team did was more impressive, and no, I am not a Chelsea fan.

[@frasierfreak92]

This is exactly it, The Invincibles narrative is such bullshit. Teams have got 100 and 99 points since, which is far more of an achievement than drawing your way to being “unbeaten”

[@realtalk8665]

Being unbeaten is more impressive harder to achieve

[@atobfitness9764]

Dropped 24 points not 36. 12 draws equals 24 points

[@MD_ENTERTAINMENT]

@atobfitness9764 my bad, I wasn't thinking about the one point Arsenal got from each of those games😂😂. But yes, the argument I wanted to make is that Arsenal drew all of twelve games with Robert Pires diving in the Portsmouth game to get a penalty that gave them a draw

[@MD_ENTERTAINMENT]

@realtalk8665 lost one less game than Chelsea, with Chelsea doing better in every other department. Arsenal was losing against Portsmouth, and they only got the draw because Robert Pires conned the referee to win a penalty

[@creativitycell]

It's a better achievement! Bundesliga Title, German Cup, Europa Cup, no doubt! Its a Fantastic Treble with a team near relegation a year ago, rookie manager, and budget far less rhan than teams they have beaten in League and Europe! Leverkusen are the very definition of TEAM over super clubs with 4 star individuals! I think they'll win Champs League next year! 😮

[@actonman7291]

BAYER NEVER EVER LUSEN.

[@christophersmith3301]

Arsenal didn't win any of the cups in 2003-04, or get to any of the 3 cup finals, so (assuming they don't lose either of the last two league games) BL has already eclipsed Arsenal.

[@patrickryan5570]

So we are comparing the Bundesliga with the Premier League - Going unbeaten in either league is a great achievement.

[@andy-wn1hq]

A lot more impressive than asrenal's if they keep it up unbeaten not in 1 competion but 3.

[@alexandergeorgiev74]

Now we know 😉 the real farmers league the premiership not a single team in finals of the European cups

[@Home_designers_Ideas]

English teams have played in the final more than any other league in the past five years

[@harrygonn934]

First year, English teams haven’t done well in Europe now u bring it up. Just shows how everyone knows the English league so is much better.

[@alexandergeorgiev74]

@@harrygonn934 premier league is the most overrated

[@jhpfdijtuiweruot]

And yet you obsessively watch our league and type comments about our football on social media.

[@Kevinnn111]

Prem fans getting butthurt after only a little bit of banter. They can dish it but they can’t take it lol

[@DinomotoMennovi]

If Leverkusen do it and stay unbeaten for all 3 competitions then they will be true invincibles.

[@user-hx9os2he6x]

Imaging winning a treble undefeated I hope they do it Amazing story

[@arunbalu5166]

Villas injuries and fatigue has caught up to them but this hasn't been used as an excuse up until recently (3 ACL's in a season is very rare and currently missing 8 players who would actually be in the squad), but the argument that there is no excuse due to Leverkusen's 49-unbeaten streak is complete fabrication. No consideration that Villa have actually played more games than them (arguably in a more difficult league). Arsenal missing Saliba for half a season was considered a reasonable excuse for their downturn towards the end of last season but Jim White, who by the way was trying to get headlines from Villa fans after our loss but was annoyed to only get positivity from us, cannot see how a team down to its bare bones can possibly underperform.

[@johnmccadden9963]

Lehmann has the copyright on the "invincibles" name. Preston were the original team unbeaten in a season. It's not even being mentioned.

[@paulmurphy8687]

England personified Give Rishi a call

[@mkkravist11]

Blows away what my Arsenal did. I still think the German league is weaker than the premier league overall, but it’s quite incredible how they’re winning in added time.

[@Kyleterp1]

Leverkusen’s will be the greatest achievement in football solely because they would be invincible in all competitions and won a treble as well as given the circumstances. Alonso’s first full year as a manager, taking down the greatest team in Germany, Bayern Munich, ending their 12 year reign. That’s remarkable. Also Arsenal drew 12 times in the prem. Leverkusen drew 9 times as a whole. It’s not “The” treble but solely for the fact they’d be unbeaten is why it would be the greatest. If Leverkusen lost a game, but still won their treble, it’s still a great season/achievement, but not the greatest.

[@brenfrancis8236]

So many pathetic people commenting on here. Arsenal's achievement was amazing. Leverkusen is even more amazing considering who they are as a club(not won much before), bayern's 11 year dominance, and their cup and European success too. But too many goofs are being dismissive of Arsenal as if ii was no big deal. I'm a united fan who hated arsenal back in the day by the way.

[@pevvex4452]

Invincible is not a trophy. it’s nice achievement so stop talking about it so much like it was one. Champions league or Europa League is a trophy and that’s what big clubs should be exited about but since Arsenal never won anything in Europe i guess nice achievements is what they have left.

[@intenzityd3181]

CL final is a way better achievement than the europa cup which btw shouldn't even exist. Not an arsenal fan just telling facts. I mean Fulham almost won it ffs and you're acting like better than a good run in the CL?

[@pevvex4452]

@@intenzityd3181 tophy is trophy. If u win Europa league u can attract better players and sponsors and step by step than u qualify to the Champions league. Run it self in champions league will forgotten next season but Europa league trophy stays forever. There is different cups for every team otherwise we would give Champions league to Real Madrid and that’s it.

[@ashleyburns6752]

English teams do well in Europe: “Too dominant, the rest of Europe cannot compete!” English teams have one average season in Europe: “Decline! What is happening?” Got to love the media.

[@EgoCityGamingUK]

If they win the treble and do a real unbeaten season then Arsenal’s achievement is school yard stuff tbh

[@ForzaMilan-di2zd]

They eclipse Arsenal's invincible season if they pull this off. Arsenal won just the league. An unbeaten treble possibly. Atalanta could be the ones

[@Chaz2510]

Bayer beat Dortmund over the league season, Bayern Munich, Leipzeig, Roma, West Ham. Dortmund have beaten PSG, Atleti, Bayern Munich, PSV. Bayern have beaten Arsenal. Dortmund are in the CL final, 3rd place Bayern got to the Semi Final, Frankfurt win the Europa a couple years back and Atalanta are playing Bayer in the EL final having knocked Liverpool out. In summary, the EPL is followed by egomaniac arseholes and Bayer achievement is world class. Arsenal this year couldn’t even beat Bayern who are 3rd in Germany, Dortmund are in CL final and are 5th in league.

[@kkiat424]

2003/04 Arsenal knock out in FA Cup, League Cup & Champions League. Arsenal invisible season is peanut compare to Leverkusen invisible treble season.

[@TreborG15]

Dundee lovely part of the world Jim the comedian 😂

[@earlofgriefem]

Imagine an unbeaten treble, dwarfs anything i can recall. Arsenal doing just in the league is not comparable

[@illyaedwards7188]

But it's the Premier League so Arsenal's achievement is better.

[@lfcspectre4335]

Sir Jordanite = Top LAD Proper Clobber ✊

[@Matthew-bu7fg]

not sure why Keown's catching the smoke lol it was Jim that initially started bashing the "aren't Leverkusen just like the Arsenal invincibles?" drum

[@donn-nd3bs]

Look at last 5 games injury time goals to not lose. 49 unbeaten incredible and will beat record 62 games unbeaten.

[@marcelcullura9628]

Arsenal invincible season were because they were draw specialists their points total was nothing near where city and Liverpool have achieved. Leverkusen even if they lose now I feel they still were better results wise. Arsenal fans cling on to that season like its a champions league trophy embarrassing fan base honestly

[@blackkid128]

90 points from Arsenal invincible wins most league titles

[@marcelcullura9628]

@@blackkid128 12 draws is dead

[@blackkid128]

@@marcelcullura9628 invincible record still has never been replicated in PL history

[@marcelcullura9628]

@blackkid128 no it's been bettered by man city and Liverpool and man utd and even Chelsea. Arsenal fans are embarrassing for holding on to this. 😂

[@marcelcullura9628]

@blackkid128 no one really cares about it apart from arsenal fans. Because they ain't won a title in 20 years and still have no champions league so they go on about a season where they drew 12 times. Embarrassing

[@nyakwargari]

The EPL is over hyped , that's why England does not win trophies ... Foden is consistent for a season - World class ... Mainoo for a couple of games - World class , Cole Palmer shows glimpses in a few games - World class 😂

[@edavis6077]

Europa League final is so much better than the champions league. Atalanta and BL play way better football.

[@proppamedzja]

Madrid had a two week break before the 1st leg against city. City played 4 times. Other leagues actually help their teams in Europe. England doesn't. (NOT a city fan btw) Also, every league has been decided already except for England. In a game of fine margins, all these things matter

[@petekadenz2466]

Who cares what listeners think? It’s not as though they are experts or even particularly knowledgeable. Like me, they’re just fans. That’s all.

[@only1city611]

City did the treble last season by going unbeaten in the FA cup UCL and lost once post World Cup break to Brentford away after the league title was wrapped up playing that match with most of the starting 11 with youth players.. Before World Cup break city had lost 3 times.. 2 of the first 3 losses was both away fixtures in league which is a regular occurance normally as city have far less mid season friendly matches compared to all other teams which is why they are known to be slow starters each season in august and only loss after that was last game before the World Cup break ironically at home to Brentford as all players involved in World Cup was already mind set on that and was city’s only loss at home in the season they did the treble.. Had city been able to start better for once and no World Cup interference it could of been city who won a treble and went the whole season unbeaten cos they wasn’t that far off given the reasons for why they lost 4/5 times..5 times of including league cup which I have not included due to Germany not having 2 domestic cup competitions compared to England..

[@ilcarcerieredimauri79]

I'm not sure what 2 games with Roma and Leverkusen Jim must have watched because what I saw was Leverkusen cheating in every way possible. And as for Jim's favorite Frimpong he clearly must have missed him ignoring Spinazzola lying on the floor with a torn hamstring whilst continuing to play with an obvious advantage 🤔 Frimpong caused multiple fights in both legs and is 1 of the dirtiest players I've seen in a long time

[@deaconfrost6]

Leverkusen are way better Not even close They have not lost in any competition Arsenal lost just not in the league

[@pauloneill914]

Martin played 10 games in the invincible season. He was a bit part/spare wheel

[@Tarek_ElMaddah]

Can Leverkusen do it in a season while playing the top teams in the champions league? Let’s see.

[@Cengert1979]

What Leverkusen are doing is fantastic but it makes no sense to compare the Bundesliga with the PL and Europa League with Champions League

[@intenzityd3181]

Apparently a lot of viewers think the bundesliga and europa league are more competitive than the prem and UCL. Learn something new every day.

[@ojogbaneamedu2501]

@@intenzityd31815th place in the Bundesliga is in the UCL finals & 2nd (currently 3rd) made the SF, neither of these teams were even close to this Leverkusen side. Bundesliga has arguably been the best league in the world this year and Bayer are going to sweep it.

[@terryolekszy9486]

Leverkusan is a far better achievement if they win the cups they are in

[@23293]

people forget arsenal were playin champions league, got to semi final, and fa cup semi, played better teams in epl man utd, chelsea, and liverpool. if leverkusen were in champions league final then i would say they have done better. Unbeaten is easier in other leagues, less games etc, celtic went unbeaten in spl not long ago. Apart from Bayern, who can really beat them in the league?

[@TP-pq9xx]

CL finalist Dortmund?

[@jamiefors5062]

Tbh no-one really cares about the invincibles, just Keown making it relevant and getting it in when he can and lets not forget he only played 3 games in that season, goes on like he single handedly won it. Lost to Middlesbourgh in the cup, invincible......lol

[@garywallace5602]

Let's be honest. If Dortmund beat Madrid, that'll overshadow everything Leverkusen have done all season.

[@mrleecrawford]

If ever there was a person who has so much attitude and arrogance with absolutely nothing to support that, it's Simon Jordan.

[@dky2006]

If Leverkusen finish unbeaten and win the DFB Pokal and Europa League, they are better than the Invincibles. Stop glorifying English clubs. Especially back then, English clubs weren’t the best in the world.

[@jeffreyjeffery4712]

Sorry, but please why is Simon Jordan speaking like Sean Dyche?

[@dazo8671]

Clubs wanna get European spot and then play reserve sides the season after 🙄 what's the point then, the fans still travel i don't see those clubs putting the prices down if they do that

[@thomaswurbwurb7560]

IT'S NOT TO COMPARE AT ALL!. His delusion too.

[@onthekippaxsince75]

Leverkusen by far more impressive than “ lucky Arsenal”. Firstly they haven’t drawn 1/3rd of their games, and are unbeaten in All competitions so far. Miles more impressive .

[@NikkiStamp-or9oe]

Let me see where they are seasons from now.

[@pizzagateisreal]

Why you mad?

[@Kuddochan]

How is that related to their achievements of this season specifically?

[@Invisible-Wall]

Hopefully leverkusen don't fall off like arsenal did after the invincibles

[@JayDogZA]

I like the bit where the Listener HITS OUT At Martin Keown For Comparing Leverkusen To Arsenal's Invincibles! - who is writing this shi7

[@fredcapp40]

How has keown got a job like this ffs

[@kierandoherty4255]

As great as it is for BL to go unbeaten in all competitions it's just not the Premier league standard their league especially as BM been winning it for 10 or 11 year's in a row.

[@krzzzy19]

Yeah no.4 in premier League losing to greek farmers is the standard.

[@Kuddochan]

But it wasn’t Bayern that went on this run, but a team that never won the league in their history before

[@joe2snj]

German side beat Arsenal German side in the CL final German side in EL final Man Utd failed to get out of their CL group and came bottom Newcastle failed to get out their CL group

[@MarkDewet]

Not one of the premier leaques great teams could eva fo on a run like Alonso's team.the premier leaque is over hipe,the same with their players

[@interestedbystander196]

Who does fan think he is, questioning Keown's opinion on this? Keown, let me remind our critic, is an _actual Arsenal Invincible!_ He has the first hand experience, and has most definitely earned his right to have an opinion. His opinion is certainly more informed than that of a randon on a phone-in or YT thread. Too many people saying it is not comparable at all. Leverkusen achievement on this is immense, certainly, if they actually make it. But I'm not having it that Arsenal's invincibles season and unbeaten run is being diminished like that! No sir! If it isn't all that great, tell me why it has only happened a handful of times globally, and only once ever in the history of British football...

[@Invisible-Wall]

Technically there are two other British teams that went unbeaten

[@interestedbystander196]

@@Invisible-Wall Who were they?

[@Invisible-Wall]

@@interestedbystander196 Celtic and Preston North end. Even though Preston did it YEARS ago when there were less teams in the division it was shouldn't diminish their achievement and Celtic did it not too long ago either I think in 2016 if I'm not mistaken.

[@interestedbystander196]

@Invisible-Wall Cool info. I didn't know. Definitely not to be scoffed at. Not exactly at the very top of the game, but still...

[@Invisible-Wall]

@@interestedbystander196 not exactly top of the game? Preston won first division so it was absolutely top level it just isn't romantized like invincibles are because no one remembers it or was alive to witness it. Scottish league isn't the greatest but my point still stands they still won it unbeaten

[@OzzyHamid-cl2fi]

Mourinho was the reason Roma beat Bayern Leuverkusen last year…..

[@jfbfitness]

Bayer is better they didn't dip out of other competitions like arsenal and arsenal drew so many games lol overrated season arsenal one

[@Home_designers_Ideas]

Would they still be unbeaten if they were in the champion's league?

[@mpd7878]

Who they this team played ??

[@Youafool500]

Edit man, Edit

[@D1craigRob]

Arsenal were only unbeaten in tue English Premier league, not Europe and I don't think it was such a great achievement they had like 80 points... Liverpool and city with nearly got 100 points a few years ago. Dropping less than 10 points each.

[@GragarTheGreat]

Leverkusen and Preston North End the TRUE invincibles not a team that lost 5 times during that season

[@yaarghmaargh]

These guys are so uninformed about anything outside of England.

[@TerribleEnglish]

Arsenal's wasn't an unbeaten run because they lost games, just in other competitions so it's a nice stat, that's all.

[@jpwartist]

Arsenal weren't invincible though. They lost to Manchester United in the FA cup. Middlesbrough in the league cup, and Chelsea in the champions league.

[@Epsilon04]

It's not the greatest sporting achievement ever ffs🤣🤣🤣. There have been tennis players who've won grand slams as teenagers, amateur golfers who've won majors etc. Even in football, what Forest and Leicester did was far more impressive. The reality is that as dominant as Bayern have been, they are only one team and if they falter, winning the Bundesliga is relatively attainable. Compare that to the PL where all of the big six are in the top 10 clubs for revenue globally. It is far more difficult and there are far more hurdles to overcome for a non big six challenger. As for the unbeaten side of things, scoring in the 97th minute three games in a row is very fishy, the refs are just playing until they score.

[@amarrustembegovic9828]

😂😂😂 triggered Arsenal sheep... go back to sleep my guy... pls dont post brainfarts on the internet for everybody to see... 😂🤡🤦🏻‍♂️