Talon Low Range issue Fix and other issues. Still the superior SXS all around

[@876portturbo]

Love yo channel I never miss I also love Canam but I am open minded keep it going !

[@Mattism78]

Love my Talon X4. I always give it a little extra tap/smack when going in to Low. Nothing wrong with making sure. Kind of like a press check.

[@TherapyWithWind]

Thank you Mud Puppy for being straight forward, honest and knowledgeable in your video. Much appreciated for sharing your time to make this! Never too much Honda. Long time subscriber here. Quick question, hopefully I didn't miss a previous video covering it. Have you had any issues with leaking axels (front left, rear right)? I've been hearing things related to plugged up or obstructed breather tubes.

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

I have not but all of my breather tubes have been relocated so that might be the reason why

[@TherapyWithWind]

@@MudPuppyOffroad I did watch a couple videos where you discussed and shared relocating of your breather tubes and packing of dielectric grease in electric connections. I'm only finding oil seeping out (very minimal) after longer runs at higher speeds which makes me think there's pressure building in the diffs. Happy you ain't dealing with oil leaks, although I've seen your talon leak a lot of Florida swamp juice 🐊! Thank you for the quick response.

[@969Garage]

Your opinion on a good option for a mud build sxs . $11k budget buying new. P500, maybe rzr 570?

[@amiranontheroad7569]

I have talon 3weeks already. It's amazing machine as u saying. Low gear yes I always have a attention and you are right. You have to make it going to lower gear. Thanks

[@anoxi2270]

Aye it's the guy with the 34s on the renegade it was awesome to meet you I know you disabled the comments to stop haters and cam am fan boys but it was cool too finally see you irl keep up the good work brother

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Man your bike made it look too easy!

[@dawsondurrence6033]

What’s a better bike overall, fourtrax 300 4by4 or newer 420 4by4

[@tom73055]

Great vid ,thanks. ? The dealer installed 30’’ tires and rims are 15” and i am wondering if this will effect the transmission and clutches on my talon 1000r any ideas ?

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

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[@da7062]

My new KRX 1000 had a misadjusted shifter cable and was coming out of gear in high range on hard decel. Not sure if I damaged the shift fork or not. Only 200 miles and it has popped out of gear half a dozen times until I figured out the cable wasnt fully adjusted to FULLY engage High. So Kawi has an issue too!

[@flight2k5]

You’re the exception rather than the normal

[@da7062]

@@flight2k5 definitely a known Kawasaki safety issue is popping out of gear in high gear when on a steep decent. All over KRX forum. I have spoken to Kawi and they acknowledged the issue and are telling customers to use low gear on decents. Mine seems good now. No issues since I made adjustments. No other issues. Top notch quality!

[@Tailwind1]

Wondering if Honda has addressed the low range vibration & clunk in the 2021 Talon?

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

I don't think so she thought it's pretty easy to avoid

[@jessewoody5772]

Thanks for sharing your insight. You said you were gonna put a P1000 front diff in the Talon, Is that only for the locker? Do you know what the ring gear diameters are for the Talon and Pioneer. Also from your observations which ITV has the strongest diffs?

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

I just wanted to do it for the locker but that ended up being way more work than it was worth because the torque Locker came out

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

I don't know the ring gear diameters but because the Pioneer rear differential actually has a locking differential in it I'm sure the talon is stronger it's much simpler

[@jessewoody5772]

@@MudPuppyOffroad I showed my wife your vid of snorkel testing on the 22 P1ioneer and she said We’re Not Doing That. LMAO

[@bishop198666]

I thought making sure it was in gear was just common sense. Oh ya look around us no common sense anywhere anymore

[@nickschmitz7044]

TRUEST comment I've EVER read

[@Chad.Maness]

This may be a dumb question (as I’m no mechanic), but when in low gear, my engine rattles pretty loud. It’s only when pressing the throttle. For example when in low gear, 4500-5000rpm, 25mph it’s has an annoyingly loud rattle (which I assume is valve chatter) Also it seems to be more pronounced after I get into it a little bit. After that, it rattles at all speeds and rpm ranges and like I sound it’s very noticeable/loud. In high gear it’s almost nonexistent and I don’t notice it at all. Is it valves or lifters?? Side note: I do not abuse my machine. I only use it to ride around my hunting club at slower speeds etc. (

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Does the rattle go away in 4x4? That's how mine is

[@bishop198666]

I have talon as well and it is super fun machine

[@krisvitt2231]

Mine is jumping out during random riding. So how to adjust the cable to make it hold the low gear or 😢 down to needing a sub trans fix ?

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

You need you're so transmission rebuilt with 22 parts

[@anthony1930]

What do you think about the 4 seater talon. Also the turbo kit. Also the LiveValve on a talon. Thx i’m interested in purchasing

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Road with a four-seater this weekend have some footage of it I'll be editing. They're cool kind of a school bus but hey if you need four seats

[@parkermckowen3781]

Mud Puppy I’m not interested in buying one but I want to know what you think about the turbo kit

[@lanethompson4470]

So what sxs would you recommend for deep water riding/a lot of thick mud?

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Talon on or Mav sport xmr on 32s-33s

[@disapirrie658]

I saw your 450l in there, did you ever do a follow up video on the vortex and yoshi pipe?

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Not yet I read it last weekend it's running great except for the fact that some idiot crashed into the back of it

[@disapirrie658]

Mud Puppy 😡 hope everything’s ok. Looking forward to seeing another video on it. 🍻

[@khaiskebo9085]

would you consider trying grinding the shift gate even lower so you can just slam it into low

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

I've got mine set up perfect doesn't need to go any farther

[@joshuaberry3261]

hey question on the tan honda. does it use any specific gaskets for the top end? bought a set of gaskets off tusk and they were a little too small for the sleeve/bore. gaskets on it before would work fine if you remember where you got those.

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Yep you have to get a 317 gasket kit from cometic

[@joshuaberry3261]

Mud Puppy alright thanks man!

[@joshuaberry3261]

Mud Puppy not really sure wym by 317, could you possibly get me the part number off cometic?

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

@@joshuaberry3261 lol If you don't know what a 317 is you bought the wrong bike that thing is heavily modified. It has a big bore kit 317 is probably the most common big bore kit for 300 I recommend getting on the forums and reading up on 300s. Or selling it to someone with more experience with those machines

[@joshuaberry3261]

Mud Puppy i assumed that but when i went to the website i seen nothing about bore. besides it has the rancher 350 sleeve? and i just bored that out 20 over and got a wiseco for it. so the 317 didn’t make sense to me.

[@josephhouse3779]

I love my talon but I only have 250 miles on mine and I’m on my second low gear rebuilt and I stop to make sure it’s all the way in low every time but even after I drove it in low for 5 mins or so it will all the sudden pop out of gear

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Mines popped out a handful of times still going strong and it's in 35s now

[@mlynch001]

People often bend the shift forks by slamming or forcing the shift lever to attempt to get the thing into Low Range. The lever is not a sledge hammer or a pry bar. Fineness is the key here. The weak link is the Low/Reverse shift fork, the forks can easily be bent by using excessive force on the shift lever. There is also a shift lever cable adjustment that must be correct as well. I have a Pioneer that I bought for a song which had both shift forks bent due to this problem. I wonder why HONDA did not install boots over the front driveshaft u joints, as they did with the PIONEER? Perhaps not enough room?

[@bdrew348]

I have a 2021 Talon. I have 27 miles on the unit which just spent 4 weeks in service to replace a solenoid in the front causing the I4 indicator to come on. We literally drove it for 2.5 hours and its been in the shop ever since. I finally picked it up Tuesday and now the AT/MT indicators are both lit and I can't turn one or both off with the toggle switch? Any ideas? Does the lemon law count for these types of things? I think I have a lemon......

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Never had any of those issues but I suspect the hess i-4wd drive bypass may help you

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

I would also try to find a better dealer

[@bdrew348]

The repair that was just done was actually at a different dealer, the one I bought it from couldn't find the problem even though it came up on the diagnostic. The dealer that fixed it worked directly with Honda because the solenoid was a part that was not easy to get apparently. What do you mean the "hess I-4wd drive bypass". are you suggesting it be bypassed as a fix? If there is something wrong shouldn't it be fixed and not ignored? Any idea why the AT/MT indicators are both lit up at the same time? Its like the machine isn't transferring from one to the other fully. I am taking it back when they open, I'll let you all know what happened. By the way, there is a lemon law for ATV, Motorcycle, UTV, and snowmobiles. It is a federal lemon law not state driven so I contacted the appropriate lawyer who handles that. If this thing isn't fixed this time I am pursuing a replacement vehicle or go with a different manufacturer. I also have a 2021 RZR XP Turbo and it has been flawless. Very disappointed with Honda.

[@treyworth8842]

I'm planning on getting a talon this summer will the live valve be ok under water and in clay

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

No idea

[@SketchyXC]

if the live valve is a serviceable unit then most likely is not sealed, and would be a waste of money as an option on a mud vehicle. Also i have heard it isnt as good as its hyped up to be and to just go with base option suspension and have Shock Therapy or some other shock builder tune a setup for you that will work with the tire size and weight your running.

[@treyworth8842]

@@SketchyXC ok thanks

[@JayDubs875]

Have you had any issues with loss of power when in water or thick mud? Not wanting to even spin the tires over.

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

With skinny 35s yes. A tune and i4wd delete helps

[@JayDubs875]

Thanks

[@themadman352]

Hi, is there a way to message you about some questions I had? I’ve been watching you’re videos for quite some time and I like what you do and the quality of how you do it, my local dealers make up what they are telling me as they go and I would love to hear it from someone who actually modifies his toys

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

There is a mud puppy question answer Facebook page for this very purpose

[@zachlawrence9888]

Do u recommend a talon over a rzr and x3 maverick

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Yep. No belt

[@hardr7194]

Honda will for sure have this fixed within the next year or two it’s a new platform that has many issues just like Polaris and can am when they come out with a new model

[@gbeving3167]

They have improved this in 22.5- current versions

[@17madracki17]

Honda needs to build a front diff with electric locker like there rubicon. why my p500 didn’t get one either is beyond me. it shares almost all other parts with a 500 rubi. come on honda. your the best. now give us what we really want.

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Your p500 shares more drivetrain parts with a p700 FYI

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

The reason they didn't put the locker is because it makes the differential wider and it would have made your short side axle even shorter

[@fl_atv_riders4455]

At the end you talked about a p1000 diff swap is the gearing not different

[@fl_atv_riders4455]

And also do you have a wheel bearing of choice you use for a foreman 500

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Same gearing. Oem bearings

[@SuperMario133]

Awesome! Cant wait to get my Talon 👌🏻

[@dr187mx]

Can am has been testing dct for a while

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Yeah it's really hard for those Canadians to catch up with Japanese lol

[@TherapyWithWind]

They must be running out of belts or something? 😆

[@mlynch001]

Yes, and HONDA has been building production DCT for over 10 years. They are masters of the technology. I am sure that all the other manufacturers have obtained a Pioneer or Talon to dissect the transmission and jump start their DCT efforts.

[@bigseff23]

You can shift the pioneers

[@DJJDSKREWED]

Too much Honda in the garage 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ damn I need that problem 😒 fml

[@lexuslowlife3055]

I’m just here watching old videos when you had the high lifter and it got me thinking. How come you never made a video after sinking the high lifter, or of you fixing it or not fixing it or if you just sold it as is, or if the bike recovered from sinking it. And if you did do a video on it that I missed can you link the video. By the way it’s me your side chicks husband

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

I sold it with a bent connecting rod

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Totally lost my ass on it but those engines are pretty much non-rebuildable.

[@lexuslowlife3055]

Mud Puppy damn man well you came back strong than ever with the new rubicon and sxs big fan brother.

[@Miguel-fh7bv]

No belt mafia 😎😎😎

[@idk-ni2vn]

Underrated

[@joeyschultz3774]

Idk about the superior SXS the KRX is fun af and super smooth

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

And super heavy super long super underpowered

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Super belt drive

[@iels7346]

I know this is like 3years old, but having had a KRX, they are the best at crawling, here in eastern TN where there's a lot of slow hill climbing they are simply the best. True billygoats. The only SXS you can put 35s on with out mods outside of clutch weights maybe. The group I ride with consists of 3 KRXs on 35s, they walk up every thing. The 2 RZRs and my Talon in the group struggle a little more, We're all on 32 or smaller, lighter, and not geared as low as the KRXs. But I wouldn't have it any other way, I enjoy grabbing gears and being able to nail it when I want to. The Talon is the better overall machine, more fun in more situations, but if all you're doing is crawling then the KRX is the superior machine. Also I've never seen any of the guys I ride with break a belt, but the all keep one on hand and they are simple enough to replace on the spot if you did break one.

[@freeeagle50]

You don’t have the stock shifting gate

[@BarnStangz]

Sad that you had to make a video about this, but there are a LOT of idiots that can't understand something so simple as gear engagement. I wonder if Honda is going to redesign how it goes into low...? Thanks for the video.

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Honda will have to design it to make it as idiot proof as a razor or Maverick lol

[@BarnStangz]

@@MudPuppyOffroad For sure. I know they'll come up with something. But man... You always got to make stuff as simple and reliable as possible... FOR ALL THE IDIOTS! Construction equipment is a good example... They build the stuff super robust because they know a whole slew of assholes are going to be operating it.

[@j.d.mcdonald]

Love your channel, definitely going to buy a Honda over Can Am

[@mandytuning]

I was between talon1000r or an x3dsRR,ended with the RR cause i need the power ,locker,and better suspension geometry.but Japanese vehicle are way superior and reliable than domestics.one thing to clarify about power efficiency of belt vs transmissions,,on the dyno and there is a ton of videos, have been proven that the belt driven is the vehicle with less hp losses to the wheel compared to talon and yfz.the belt is their tranny and most them can be changed in less than 15 min.i cant say the same when electronic gremlins start in a couple more years or the dual clutch get burned in the trail ,there is no way to fix it there.dont get me wrong,i love the paddle shift and feel and hate the cvt constant high rpm noise and servicing every now and then, but sometimes simple is safer to survive out there.and yes i ride with a friend with a talon and have pull him many times with a belt vehicle with 900 miles on it ,my buddy was surprised cause have yhe mindset that the belt is a handicapped vehicle,😂😂you can if you know how to do it.

[@wesleyjunkin2445]

Test out the new kawi side by side

[@Richard-gy1fo]

Im so close to pulling the trigger on a talon.

[@michealgray533]

Rich ard there is really no other option But wait a year for the problems to be sorted Or don’t because Honda warranty is awesome and will replace anything

[@Richard-gy1fo]

@@michealgray533 i am going to wait on the next year models. Thanks

[@michealgray533]

Rich ard alright have a good one have good luck in these uncertain times

[@MrJake81283]

I keep hearing a loud bang in the rear of the bike when I take off. It’s all the way in gear. Maybe it’s my diff idk. But it’s pissing me off so I’m gonna beat the shit out of it till something breaks lol

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Most of the loud banging is it finally seating into low range my guess would be that your cable isn't adjusted right The dealer had mine pretty far out of whack when I bought it

[@zaceribarkhouse3592]

Never to much honda

[@nighthawkj30A4]

I”ll Take Honda Talon Over Polaris rzr any day.

[@gasNmudtv]

In my opinion the Wildcat Sport 700cc is a awesome all around side by side. Its come with a locking front diff. You can get some great shock packages like King or Elka. Has a strong motor thats rumored to have some similar flow to a street bike. Plus its a reliable rig. Check the forums its issues are very minimal. Im running 30s on a fully stock drivetrain for over a year now with zero issues. Im not a fan of any rig that you have to buy a locker after purchasing ur utv.

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Yep but it has a belt and it's heavy not what we need for our kind of trails

[@aw9680]

Sorry, but you have oversimplified this issue. Honda should be covering every low range gear grinding issue. Mine did it from day one. The dealer says honda won't cover it, so I don't use low range. It isn't a shifter adjustment issue. It isn't a "shift it in and out of low range several times " issue. I have the repair manual. It has a shift drum in the sub trans just like the main trans. The detent doesn't provide enough spring force to firmly engage the low gears and hold them there. The engagement depth is also an issue, as is the number of dogs on the low range gear faces. It's just poorly designed. From the beginning.

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Oh I agree they should make every ATV 100% idiot proof and warranty everything lol

[@aw9680]

@@MudPuppyOffroad Yup. The idiot with expectations the a product shouldn't be designed defective, and then sold with known problems that they won't cover. But hey, if I bought a new civic with the same problem? The dealer says no to that? Your video says "issue fix". It's not a fix. Not even a viable option. It's a make due and hope. So keep laughing until yours breaks.

[@HondudeTeamMudhogs]

"if you're a smart person" oh how you've overestimated my intelligence....

[@MudPuppyOffroad]

Lol

[@pjbuckmaster]

So biased reviews on all your things. As long as we all know great.

[@tomtheman91]

You lost me at smart person. Lol