Taming the 12ga Wax Slug - is it possible?

[@adabsurdum5905]

The 12 gauge shotgun is such a marvel. A ball of wax malfunctioning is still a lethal projectile up to 20 yards away. Truly most versatile firearm.

[@alexcarter8807]

I believe the prepper bingo card is a .22 rifle like a 10/22, a centerfire pistol like a glock 19, an AR-15 or some sort of centerfire semiauto rifle, and a 12-gauge shotty. I've got the first two checked off, and a shotty might be next ... someday ...

[@uncleacid6973]

Alex Carter I agree. I also think a 22 revolver and some kind of gun that can reach out and touch. I'm thinking something like a 6.5 Creedmoor Ruger American. They're fairly cheap for what they are. You can find ammunition even during pandemics and other outlier events like this coronavirus thing.

[@wash-and-go]

"Left and high" "That's California windage" I had to think about that one for a second. Funny as hell!!!

[@tikkidaddy]

Totally expected!😂😂

[@shadowninja9798]

Such a hilarious line!

[@handlesarefeckinstupid]

Lovely joke, even as an English man I get it. 😂

[@annotten7413]

Sad but true - I would love to see that state go back and vote for Trump 2020

[@picax8398]

​@@annotten7413 trump doesn't care

[@3isr3g3n]

Goddamn 5 TB WD Black HDDs are expensive, as can be seen by the amount of platters in there. And it's a real blast from the past seeing and hearing Danny. He'll live on through your videos.

[@Dr.E2008]

Danny: “Throw it on the ground? Oh. ‘Piece’ on earth!”🤣🤣🤣

[@JoshuaMixson9696]

Wonder what a large electrical cable cut into slugs would do. Big thick copper cable with heavy plastic insulation

[@CowCommando]

The 'S' on the overshot card (or whatever it's called) is to remind you to shop smart, shop S-Mart.

[@apathtrampledbydeer8446]

Groovy!!!

[@darksu6947]

Yeah dude!

[@lairdcummings9092]

Hail to the king.

[@fuzer909]

Chew on this!!!

[@LongLLY]

I’d like to see these tested against cut shells. That would be cool.

[@ruinedrx8]

I would too, he did a video on cut shells and REALLY didn’t like them, I think it’s a bias

[@chadblechinger5746]

Just this morning I tested a cutshell/waxslug out of an mossberg 835 which is overboard or I wouldn't have ran a cutshell/slug cuz I was scared over pressure issues. Since it is over bored the cut part of the shell actually acts as a sabo and the crimp keeps the slug safe from heat and wind. It was very accurate and punched through a refrigerator box stuffed with debris. The box was about 24 to 30 wide and it punched both sides. The back side showed signs of the slug fragments but was still smaller than a baseball. I am going g to run a few more and then make a video on my final product. I am hoping to get a wax slug on a pie plate at 50 yards reliably. I think I am pretty close. 10 of the slug variants I made today shot just fine at 30 yards and maintained a 4inch group ( not bad for a smoothie and some ditch craft). I am making some more today. I also shot several uncut waxers and to my surprise they were just as accurate even though the barrel is way too big for the slugs base diameter but they worked fine and held a 4in @ 27yards. The cut shells and the waxers both love to tumble. The diff is that the waxer holds together if you do good work. ( yeah, you can make a shitty waxer ) and the cutshells flip the contents of the shot cup out randomly, alot of times once it loses some load it goes of track cuz the imbalance and stuff. Waxers are definitely better than cutters. The only ditchcraft that is as cheap and effective is a combination of the two. If you don't have an over or back board barrel I cannot recommend a waxed cutter ( play at your own risk type shit). Happy new year 2021

[@elmartillo7931]

I think instead of just calling it "Wax Slugs" we should call it "Crayons with Danny"

[@Initial_Gopnik]

More like repurposed marine supplement

[@elmartillo7931]

@@Initial_Gopnik now I was in the Canadian infantry, and I served with some Marines, and they don't like that joke but the rest of us do hahahahaha

[@lairdcummings9092]

"Crayons with Danny. Try to stay inside the lines!"

[@mushroomsamba82]

5:15 OG would be proud, being a professional hole inspector and all

[@OGsDangerShow]

😎👍

[@mr.tall-man1573]

I was going to tag that time as "Demonitized for glory hole reference." LOL

[@deljr62]

Jeff, good to hear Danny's voice.

[@TheNetsrac]

Just got home (9:30 pm here) after a 13 hours day at work. I Sit down, turn on the computer and hey! A new video from @TAOFLEDERMAUS Just what I needed to lift my mood ^^

[@leoa4c]

I feel your pain... Lets hope for better days.

[@Enes-wj5xq]

Working is better than no job, mate.

[@christiangraham4579]

Right?! Just spent my day off pulling apart a Chrysler and after fighting that bitch for 7 hours and finally getting it back together I’m sore, greasy, and tired. But I get home after defeating that beast, to a nice reward!!

[@vertigo72480_official]

Agreed, after Taofledermaus it's Steve1989 and his MREs.

[@TheNetsrac]

@@vertigo72480_official I agree. There is just something soothing about Steve's voice. Perfect chill-out videos

[@SurvivalRussia]

As always, great to stop by :) You got me on the "left and low" :) On to Buffalo's video.

[@taofledermaus]

Thank you Lars!!

[@lowtdave]

Small thing I like about this channel...when they go from camera to camera they record the audio and you hear their reactions on all the cameras. Kind of makes you aware they aren't fudging the footage. Love you guys.

[@taofledermaus]

Yeah, we usually show every shot, good or bad.

[@lowtdave]

@@taofledermaus love the production. I was watching one of your videos from about 10 years ago and was really enjoying the Skrillex like music playing over all the shots :) You all really have this down now. Is it bad that I always worry everytime you all play with the lead plate? Always worried while you all are "exploring" the holes made, you will cut yourself and instant lead poisoning...im very rational...yep

[@gscapinelli9214]

Hey Jeff, Flechette Wax Slug, plz?

[@nunyabidniz2868]

You're asking him to go to his private top secret testing facility outside the Granola Curtain. Jeff lives in the PRK; flechette rounds are big "Nyet!"s to the commissars here...

[@curtwinterstein1067]

I like your idea, but I want to suggest using "Sealing" or jewelers wax... (used for 'lost wax casting')... :)

[@xoxoXoieoxox]

i dont think you get how a wax slug works he explained it once its not the wax that holds everything together its only part of it, its the structure that the shot makes while its in the wax matrix that holds it together this is why flichets wont work it will just come apart

[@JohnBeck-pb9xl]

Dead eye Danny. Gone but never forget. Gained immortality through the medium of film.

[@brooksf2777]

Always look forward to your videos. It is one of the 4 gun related channels I regularly watch, the others being OG's Dangershow, InRangeTv and Forgotten Weapons. Keep up the great videos!

[@chrishelms1967]

We used to have an I.B. Proper range ..... but it was bought out by the Jack Meoff Exotic Dancers club

[@Bubben246]

Officer Greg, is that you?

[@barmatez]

ive finally found this channel again after years and im so happy 😁

[@taofledermaus]

Welcome back!

[@slowpokebr549]

I've done a lot of experimenting on wax for black powder lube. Toilet ring wax is really gooey but it is tough stuff, it doesn't go to hell in the heat it just gets stickier. Paraffin for canning is nice and clean and dries hard but is brittle. If you really want a tough wax, melt down some long lasting survival candles. That stuff will hold together for a wax slug I bet.

[@randlerichardson5826]

Wildman Danny on the particle accelerator

[@thegformula8819]

You guys are obsessed with wax now 😂😂😂🤣🤟🏿👍🏿 danny didn't look like he was too pleased with all this

[@dannyakatrikerred7381]

The G Formula Your right. These didn't live up to accuracy that I'm capable of. 😕. 🇺🇸😎

[@darkoflight4938]

"California, everything seems to go left here... and low"

[@treytysinger1002]

Exactly right

[@comanche119]

@@treytysinger1002 no, exactly left.

[@SquireJethro]

2:14 it looks like the shot is motionless in mid air. It transferred all of its momentum to the plate.

[@TheOlsonOutfit]

I was just about to comment on the same thing. That looks really cool in the slow-mo.

[@designworksdw1949]

Was typing the same thing out but you did it better :). Super cool clip

[@randlerichardson5826]

Maybe a piece of screen wire like on a screen door placed inside the wad before pouring the wax in the wad. Maybe that would help hold them together

[@dilutedpjn1703]

Would melting a plastic welding stick and mixing the shot in be better? Maybe filling a metal mold to ensure even melting and distribution of the plastic would work. Or maybe I’m just blowing smoke?

[@general0ne]

At 10:10, I thought an OX Tools video started playing in another tab.

[@azuritet3]

Hey Sailor - Letter Box

[@delphicdescant]

> Shooting a 5TB hard drive like it's nothing in 2020 > People in 1980: 😳

[@quint3ssent1a]

People in the third world countries: 😳

[@JDMOON55555]

Me:😳

[@RedRacconKing]

And it was a WD Black 😥

[@ToTheGAMES]

Right? A child in Afrika could have eaten it... ;)

[@HRM.H]

Danny fingering chinese armor is something ill never forget

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

Their back! I have missed the wax slugs. I actually wouldn't mind seeing a revisit of the wax slugs on modern targets and with the chronos camera. I don't remember if you already did this or not or I just missed it but if not then I would love to see it.

[@taofledermaus]

yeah, I need to show just the plain ones. I don't know if I have any footage with the Chronos or not.

[@scottydouglass1892]

I was just over at duelist den, and got the notification. I love the waxers

[@Benson_aka_devils_advocate_88]

Loved the name of the "chute'in range!" The names crack me up 😆

[@taofledermaus]

KZbin says we have to be at a proper shooting range, sooo

[@Benson_aka_devils_advocate_88]

🤔 @@taofledermaus I always see proper procedure, backstops or plenty of distancing behind your targets. Nothing to see here, KZbin. Carry on 😉

[@Laotzu.Goldbug]

@@taofledermaus is this a new requirement for videos?

[@hamboneneurosis995]

Thanks guys! Love everything you do. Stay healthy and keep shooting!

[@lairdcummings9092]

Lesson learned: waxers are short-range only.

[@DaKoler]

Left and Low? Yup, Anarchy

[@adabsurdum5905]

Fhtagn

[@VoluntaryPlanet]

Not even close.

[@lawrencecole6527]

2:06 Look at the group of shot stay suspended mid air, it imparted ALL of its energy wow that's cool.

[@markfergerson2145]

It's almost sad. People have thousands of "good ideas" every day that last until they're tested. That one that does pass the test though, that's what keeps us coming back.

[@alexcarter8807]

So far none of his experiments are the epic level of stupid as mine. "Primer powered pellets" was utter fail.

[@markfergerson2145]

@@alexcarter8807 Well hell, keep trying!

[@neckstumping]

Bees wax is what I use. Doesn't shatter and sticks better to the wad. I'm now looking at using cast bullet lube. The White label lubes X-lox 2500. Very sticky and not likely to shatter, a lot like bees wax. And cheap.

[@RuffsTV]

Yay Danny's back

[@ruthlessrubberducky5729]

I want there to be commercially produced wax slugs. They have their uses. Do a lot of damage on the target and are somewhat accurate, but splatter after the first impact, reducing over penetration.

[@leoa4c]

One of them had an extremely accurate proximity fuse!

[@taofledermaus]

lol

[@Chris_Garman]

The projectile must be balanced for rifling to be effective.

[@wayneclarke4846]

Could you use flex seal instead of the wax, or maybe hot glue ??🤔

[@randlerichardson5826]

I’m just surprised they’re goin through that hood for a wax slug wow 😳. Great video Mouse Wildman Danny and Officer Greg. Y’all be safe out there and GOD BLESS your families Amen 🙏

[@taofledermaus]

Thanks 👍

[@wildboar9929]

Great shooting. I do not know how to reload slugs but it would be cool if someone used caulk or silicone to see if it stays together better.

[@randlerichardson5826]

Rifled chokes are real I got a rifled barrel for my Mossberg fully rifled.

[@jaydunbar7538]

What?

[@tomjones7285]

Cheap and easy like OG and me. You guys give us class buddy

[@alexcarter8807]

OK I got my Crosman red-skirted non-lead 16.7gr pellets, they're called "Red Flight" these days, and are product number LF22167. I tried pulling one of the red skirts off and this can be done with the fingers - it reveals a little "tail" on the metal part of the pellet which should actually make it fly a bit better than if it didn't have one. Interesting! I can only get green ramset blanks so far, but will keep looking around for brown or grey ones.

[@texpatriot8462]

Love this channel. I think Jeff should put together a reloading manual for all of these interesting loads.

[@Smallathe]

LOVELY!!! Still... it's a promising idea and I love your wax slug concept. It will work eventually... Keep up the wonderful work guys!!! :)

[@taofledermaus]

Thank you Saar!!

[@knobjob2839]

From the thumbnail it looks like the placement of the birdshot probably upsets the balance. Not nose heavy, but not tail heavy enough to do a flip in flight. I know each slug was different, but my hunch is a balance issue.

[@carlubambi5541]

You can use the steel shot cup and load with lead and wax

[@ammobake]

I'd be interested to see tiny football slugs to see if the rifled barrel can keep a tight spiral.

[@thedude7726]

Rip barry

[@TheTeehee11111]

I'd rather just make cutshells Barry style! Simpler, and they work fine

[@taofledermaus]

The biggest improvement to those is using a shell cutter to just cut out the crimp so the wax slugs can't plunk out of the shell if racked into a pump action. (which can create a dangerous situation)

[@Mav8887.]

I thought about doing this about a year ago with the c-lbc wad. I really wish we could buy those black wads that were in demo ranch's vid years ago. Black cylinder wads with the top that screws off so you can fill it with whatever you want

[@buffalosoutdoors]

Been waiting on this one.

[@taofledermaus]

Not as good as your video imho

[@nickolassokaluk9014]

i think the type of wax you use would make a big difference and you could add things to the wax to change it's properties even more

[@zacharymurphy2099]

2:40 Danny lost some of his beard in a table fight

[@Odinfang]

I believe this concept needs revisiting with finer grain shot and possibly a sabot, but only for a few rounds.

[@SuperHeebeejeebee]

The cloud of pellets that looked like it hovered during the slow mo on the first shot... thats cool

[@johngz3413]

My guess on the irregular flight bob could be from unbalanced loads. Too much weight to one side or the other. And the ones turning to mist likely have an airpocket

[@tofush0e]

I wonder if we tried making them nose-heavy and using 3d printer filament instead of wax (like flexible TPU). Could make it nose heavy by loading steel shot in the bottom portion and lead shot in the nose portion

[@josephszabo3820]

I wonder if the wax would hold up using a blunderbus style shot, a bunch of nails encased in a wax slug

[@TrojanHorse1959]

Great video and projectile testing, thank you, Jeff & Danny! P.S. Be careful about shooting your wad too much, it could end up costing you for years and years!

[@taofledermaus]

lol thanks

[@biohazard20161]

A suggestion for the next wax slug test, use the wax from the top of several Maker's Mark Bourbon bottles. Like you said melt wax add shot from shotgun shells, pour, let cool, and shoot.

[@bills6093]

2:11 does indeed look fantastic with the shot apparently motionless before falling.

[@zacho6927]

What about making a wax slug in a Diablo shaped casting? Maybe lose some weight because of size restrictions but proven design. Love all your videos! I learn so much

[@lonewanderer3603]

Buffalo Outdoors is a great channel.

[@taofledermaus]

He really does a great job. Excellent shooter but modest about it.

[@richiet6381]

🙏🏽🙏🏽💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾 Justifiable Jeff & Danny The Great!!!!!!! Another banger gentleman!

[@RandomSpaceMonkeys]

I was just considering modifying my recent bird shot cartridge purchase. Science!

[@theogdirkdiggler]

@Brian Landers google cut shotgun cartridges, the old timers would also open cartridges and pour wax into birdshot to make cheap slugs.

[@RandomSpaceMonkeys]

@Brian Landers seems like given the examples I've seen here and elsewhere it would go just fine at 7 yards. Unless they are wearing armor. But there are always bigger fish. But I could also see doing it wrong and having it break up st the muzzle. A box of 5 slugs or buckshot is pretty cheap.

[@johnpreisler6713]

I wobble home from the tavern like that sometimes

[@WINDGENEERING]

Can you make a video of how you guys remelt ballistic gel in your stainless steel mold? I think a lot of people would like to see how that's done since its so expensive to buy new each time. Also whats the website of that "CLEAR JELL" Company? Thanks for a great and fun channel. Yours truly, Officer Sims, LASD

[@pweddy1]

“If Danny’s off it’s not his fault...” Probably the whisky?

[@bigjj974]

Try mixing the hot wax and BBs with Elmers wood glue. It does hold together much better.

[@nealramsey4439]

The wide range of results must be due to the difference in the distribution of pellets in the wax. Sometimes they might be more on one side, this would destroy accuracy if it has a spin. Smooth bore in this case may not always be as accurate but would be more consistent.

[@taofledermaus]

yeah, I agree. If the lead shot doesn't stack perfectly in the shell, you end up with weak voids AND it throws them out of balance.

[@gordoncouger9648]

I missed this one, making me late to the game. I think that shot cup wad combination has some promise using the longest shot cup that can be roll crimped in the shell, and enough filler wads are put in the base of the shot cup to limit the shot weight to one ounce or less. I would work up loads starting at 900 fps and increase the velocity until I found an exceptionally accurate load or the velocity the slug came at. I would also use larger shot. #2 shot to #4 Buck, depending on the location of its expected use. Shooting at an intruder inside the ho,e heavier shot at slower speeds would be much kinder to unprotected ears.

[@gvii]

Still blows my mind what that camera does, especially for the low cost of it. And Danny is a surgeon with that mass accelerator. Though Breanna is some pretty solid competition for him. Great video. Shame the slugs didn't work too well, but cool to watch regardless.

[@ktotheswiss1617]

I have that rifled choke on my VR60. Best value upgrade to any Beretta Benelli Mobil choked shotgun.

[@raymondo162]

there's sooooooo much variation with paraffin wax esp melting temperature. as well as strength differences temp of the gun may introduce lube variations. if several shots were fired straight off i'd expect to see a difference. .............and then there's bees wax (the irony ).................

[@seanfoltz7645]

Solution to wax slugs - first, crayon wax is brittle so it's the last kind of wax you want to use. Another issue is that pellets or dust shot is being used to give it weight, which is good, except that they do nothing to preserve structural integrity and if anything, weaken it. Instead, I would suggest taking an approach similar to rebar reinforced cement or pykrete in that some sort of binder needs to be mixed with the wax - say a small, plastic mesh or fibers of some sort to help bind the whole thing together. I'm thinking maybe braided fishing line with split shot attached to it so you have both weight and a binding/reinforcing agent.

[@taofledermaus]

Crayon wax has worked perfectly. Any wax barely holds it together. If there are any voids (where the shot doesn't stack perfectly, it is a breaking point and also throws off the balance- which seems to be the issue with these.

[@garrett6371]

When I was homebrewing beer I would wax some of the bottle caps, like they do on Knob Creek and stuff. The difference was, it was mostly hot glue stick, like 60-75% hotglue sticks, the rest Crayola. I wonder if anybody has every tried hot glue stick slugs?

[@johnnyappleseed6415]

Your "Vic's 3D House of Beef" special effects while showing your crayon round was priceless :))...

[@lefmk7085]

This might be my favorite method for maintaining data security I've ever seen 😆

[@ScottKenny1978]

Best way to improve user stress levels!

[@scottlawson9206]

"Shooth" bore??? I wonder if that blue machining/carving wax would hold up better than whatever wax was used on those test slugs.

[@davidelliott8324]

I thought the same thing. Or hard casting wax.

[@taofledermaus]

I saw that and left it in. It gives people something to comment about. Gotta throw out those Easter eggs of wrongness to keep people happy.

[@moitoi4064]

At 11:15 what is a shooth bore? Lol.

[@theykilledjoel1496]

Loved the California joke

[@wayne-oo]

I'd like to know what's in Winchester longbeard xr ? A great shotgun round for 50-60 yards !

[@peskycitizen66]

curiosity question what would I have to do for you to test the Walmart 12-gauge shotgun barrel cleaning shells I use them the other day and was thinking I wonder how they fly in slow motion

[@natehb]

Crazy idea melt plastic over the bird shot instead of wax.

[@steveshoemaker6347]

Playing at your local theater is...THE WAX SLUG..... O'no not that !.....PS those hard drives have some mighty strong Magnets in them.....Thin you'allllll....Carry on...!

[@Jesses001]

So for now, we are best off using soup can ballistics. A worthy attempt at least.

[@GordonPhillips]

Another great video from Tau and "Dead eye" Danny!

[@taofledermaus]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@RexWoolsey]

What if you were to use something like jb weld epoxy instead of wax? Might it hold together better?!

[@jonny-nava-367]

"There's no firearms in the video" Still you hear the pump.

[@theginganinjaofficial]

Just the mass accelerator locking down.

[@jonny-nava-367]

I hate this kind censorship, guns aren't evil. It's like watching porn without sex or showing genitals/breasts, or eating a hamburger with nothing but the bread (not even sesame seeds).

[@WINDGENEERING]

How do I send you guys some "stuff" to shoot??

[@vonBelfry]

Have you made a mold for those slugs before? Like, one shaped exactly like a foster slug or whatever they're called? I have this feeling that if you 1: Had the actual projectile separated from its mold-point before placing it in a shot cup and firing it, and 2: had it in some sort of pre-established, proven-to-be-aerodynamic shape, you might actually have a shot shell you can patent and sell. Keep in mind this is assuming you haven't tried this before, and it's also coming from a someone who is most certainly NOT a physicist, so I don't expect myself to be correct. But it'd be neat to see! And if the video already exists, can someone be awesome and link it to me? I'm on my video pass-through for the night!

[@SlitherThing]

I have to wonder whether the kind of wax used has any effect on things. If this is paraffin or a similar wax on the harder side, could it be breaking apart because the wax is a bit on the brittle side? Perhaps a softer wax like beeswax or maybe even beef tallow might deform rather than break apart...but there goes any cost savings. Could be interesting to test though.

[@taofledermaus]

It doesn't matter too much. The wax has very little strength. The things hold together because of how lead shot stacks uniformly in the shotcup. If there are any voids in the stack, it is a breakage point.

[@gtnaylor5870]

I would like to see,,,,, I'm not sure there are others......... 20 gauge wax slugs. Any 20 gauge shells. Compare 20 gauge to 12 gauge. I think it would make a good video. Your thoughts?

[@niko1even]

You guys should get a vice and a heavier table to hold the metal plates you are shooting.

[@itatane]

Jeff, years ago, IraqVeteran8888 had a video series about the "Little .410 That Could." Would you be able to do a video going over the topic in your own inimitable way?( yes, I am buttering you up a little 😉) I am curious about what the high speed camera would show. (Those little Brazilian .410s were cheap, but man are they tough.)