Tamiya Mini 4WD Box Stock Motor from 18k to 29k RPM - Venom Tuned Break-In Method

[@robhardcastle2885]

Love the new method! This is more similar to what I am doing now. I scrapped the water method after I fried my atomic tuned motor and disecting my pile of burn outs.

[@jhedvader3769]

Tried it and its effective

[@kianadata]

Thank you for this

[@phongpit]

Wow, that's incredible! I don't even have a stupid question! I'm just sitting here with my mouth hanging open thinking, "What did I just see??" 😧😧😧

[@claredin]

I'd like to teach a class on this someday at my local hobby shop :)

[@phongpit]

@@claredin You would be a great teacher! I hope you don't mind all my 'stupid' questions, they are just things that occur to me as I watch the races and all the different aspects of it! One of my backgrounds is engineering, so I love to figure out how things work, and why they don't work sometimes.

[@claredin]

@@phongpit Thank you :) There are no stupid questions. I'm an engineer, too :) This motor was just a random motor I picked out of my box of unused motors. Not every motor will get to 29k, but if you clean out the insides using this method, it will certainly be a lot faster than 18k-20k :)

[@adamfadhil5193]

Hi! I just bought my first tamiya and saw this video on making the motor faster! I have a question, can you care to explain what is the science behind this? Or is there any videos/article explanations on why this works? Because I saw some people turn the motor forward, then backwards even with different voltages etc, seems very arbitrary or is there really science behind it 🤔? Thank you! Love your Tamiya contents!

[@ryuzo13691]

thank you, a really nice share! i've heard about water break-in, but i never tried it myself, always doing it dry. i'm really curious on how the brushes look after the process! a stock motor that runs up to 29k is ridiculously fast! on a 3.5:1 ratio, how fast does it run?

[@claredin]

It all depends on the car and all the components in it (how well-assembled they are, how straight the wheel shafts are). Box stock cars usually run at 18km/hr to 24km/hr. I've had cars run at 28km/hr with a 28k motor. Check out my red car called Phoenix in my videos. Also check out my page claredin.com in the "cars" section for lots more MIni 4WD tips.

[@stevanusandrea5408]

I have a question here, what do you mean by I - I - oI - oI - c - o2 - o2 - c - I - I around min 0:32?

[@claredin]

It corresponds to the time duration for each part of the process. Check the time on my iPhone to see... 1 minute - 1 minute - oil 1 minute - oil 1 minute - change water, etc

[@sherifmounir1238]

This is incredible! I do have one question, why the carb cleaner in the beginning ? is it safe on the motor brushes?

[@claredin]

The carb cleaner (and the electronics cleaner) will remove all the guck and dirt inside the motor. I got the tip on the carb cleaner from a pro racer, so, yes, that should be fine on the motor brushes. My addition to cleaning was to clean again with electronics cleaner to really give it an extra clean. Water tiuning will wash away all the guck and dirt that was loosened up. Right after water cleaning is when a motor's is most vulnerable, so proper oiling, as shown, is vital.

[@sherifmounir1238]

@@claredin does this work for professional motors, say PD, HD, MDP?

[@claredin]

@@sherifmounir1238 No, don't use this method for any open class motors. I haven't perfected the method for those yet. I would just limit this method to box stock at the moment.

[@titodendentv]

I didn’t realize you can tune mini 4wd motors! Used to have these way back. Now guess I’m hooked again and just bought couple new models and subscribed to your channel! Now I’m curious about tuning and hoping you can help? What tools do you usually use? In this video I think I saw g force tuner, voodoo and ganapati oil. You also mentioned carb cleaner and electronics cleaner - any preferred brand for those? And how do you use those (sorry I’m a newbie on these). Is that all that is generally needed? Any preferring store to buy those? Thank you! 🏎️

[@claredin]

Hi! The tuning/breaking in process is more of a philosophy than hard and fast rules, so I'm just presenting my process here. Yes, you listed all the necessary items for my break-in process, but feel free to experiment on your own, too. And... the cool thing is these motors appear to be the same ones used in Mini-Z cars! :)

[@titodendentv]

Can’t wait for all the goodies to arrive. Do you still sell those ganapati and voodoo oil?

[@claredin]

@@titodendentv Yes, I do. Are you in the US?

[@Mini4wdnewbie]

Please make a video running this motor on race track. Thanks.

[@claredin]

I will soon :)

[@hayabusa9289]

Whats the name of the mobile app to check rpm?

[@salty1099]

hi, does this work for light dashes, tt, etc too?

[@kenjienharmoni]

Water tuning helps alot

[@nicoBisonaya]

what motor is this, Mabuchi or S.M.C?

[@javin_lau]

Very nice. Have you raced with it and does it retain that performance under load?

[@claredin]

Not this one yet, but others broken in just like it. Yes, it does. Over time, motors get dirty inside, the internals wear a little, and performance goes down a little. My car, Venom FMA, has a motor in it just like this. Check out my recent video on it.

[@macc237]

hello! I really liked the video. It left me with many doubts that I will solve. Where can I get those oils online? Thank you!

[@claredin]

Hi Mario! I sell the oils for $20 for both Voodoo and Ganapati and $12 for shipping within USA. Unfortunately, it would cost $20 to ship and a lot of paperwork to the government of your country to get the oils approved to ship to you. If you know someone in the USA near you, perhaps I can ship to that person and they can bring it to you.

[@BayuSanjaya]

amazing method, just curious, is that motor still have torque?

[@claredin]

Good question! When you coax RPM out of your motor like this, you do sacrifice some torque. A better all-around engine would be to stop the process at a certain point, such as 24k. Some of my most noteworthy cars run with 24k motors.

[@MrHachi323]

got one to a happy 22k but then most of the time even that will make our box stock cars fly. the hard part is keeping your car on the track with those speeds.

[@roeeventura6313]

is 21k rpm at 3volts is fast already? so far that is my highest value in breaking stock motor..

[@claredin]

You will need to run it on a speed checker device like the Tamiya one to see what your true speed is in km/h

[@dovieacesilva5189]

I have a question... Is it just plain tap water??

[@claredin]

It is, but you can use spring water, too.

[@brianuy75]

Hello clare! Have you ever tried using an ultrasonic cleaner to clean the motors?

[@claredin]

I have not... but this is a great idea!

[@brianuy75]

@@claredin thank you for your reply i was thinking about this for some time now i was afraid to ruin my motors

[@egs98050722]

Hi Claire, is marvel mystery oil also ok to use?😊

[@claredin]

I've never used Marvel Mystery Oil :)

[@obsidianfoxgamer]

very good info . thank you for sharing this . i just got back into the hobby and i need to re learn stuff like this again . i have a question what is the name of the app you use to check the speed of the motor? . thank you in advance will look forward on your next informative videos more power!

[@claredin]

I'm glad you found my video helpful! The app is called Giri.

[@obsidianfoxgamer]

@@claredinthank you! i hope you make a topic discussion or tutorial about different chassis type also beginner tips on choosing chassis or kits. pros and cons from super 1 , tz , super fm , super x , xx ,vz , vs , tzx and if they are still viable for today modern races against ar , ma , ms , fma . hopefully you create more videos like this i learned a lot by watching your content about tamiya . more power to you!

[@joshbrillantes7634]

What volt is that 10minutes under water is it 3 volts?

[@claredin]

Yes, typically 3V. maybe a little less

[@affanayyash1813]

0;34 what is mean the code under water tune for 10 minutes? Is this all forward spin of motor?

[@claredin]

Forward, then back, then forward, etc....

[@rubberduck3393]

Hello, thank you for the video, i just started to play mini 4wd, can i replicate this break-in using onboard method?

[@claredin]

You can, but your mileage will vary. Motor break-in is never exact, but with this method your motors will likely be faster than if you didn't do anything. I would suggest just using the motors as they are to begin with for at least a year to gain experience in the hobby first

[@rubberduck3393]

Thank you for your suggestion , I hope u will make onboard break in tutorial in the future🤗

[@alvinperlas-m3v]

Hello Clare, do you have a store/link where I can purchase the ganapati oil?

[@zeelansira1686]

Whre did you buy your ganapati oil maam?

[@claredin]

It's a special formulation of oil that I sell. I sell them in 5ml bottles to 30ml bottles

[@gemsonanthonysiloy5713]

Hi Clare.. just want to ask. How many volts is on the battery for water tune? does the volt depends on the battery or the battery holder?

[@claredin]

It actually doesn't matter. I ran with 1.4V or so each. So long as there's reasonable battery power to allow the motor to run for the designated time under water, it should be fine.

[@sop953]

What's the content of the carb cleaner? I got a mckenic contact cleaner, does it work the same?

[@claredin]

It should. The point is to get the insides extremely clean. Some like to soak their motors in oil. Others use carb cleaner or even electronics cleaner. Whatever will get that black grease and crud out is the key.

[@bienamorpesa1642]

Also. What are those two oils?

[@claredin]

Voodoo and Ganapati

[@chronostain2201]

good eve, what adapter for gforce did you used? thank you

[@claredin]

I purchased it from Amazon. It's the JOVNO 6V 2A Power Supply 100-240V AC to DC 6V 2amp 1.8A 1.5A 1A 0.8A 0.5A 450mA Adapter for $4.99

[@gemsonanthonysiloy5713]

Which method would you prefer and why? The dry or wet method?

[@claredin]

For a box stock engine, the wet method yields a higher RPM faster... but the wet method doesn't work for every type of engine. Right now, I only recommend it for box stock engines.

[@gemsonanthonysiloy5713]

@@claredin the mini break in youre using is already sold out everywhere 🥹

[@claredin]

@@gemsonanthonysiloy5713 Hopefully they will make more! It's due for another update! :)

[@jaykay7357]

Have you tried checking the rpm using laser than giri?

[@claredin]

I have not, but the real test of speed is to just test it on a track or run it on a device that checks for speed using a surface contact method, like the Tamiya speed checker.

[@NadhariRazali]

What app you use for rpm check?

[@aaron.s.ariola]

what kind of android application are you using?

[@claredin]

It's Giri on an iPhone :)

[@aldoalz]

have you tried to measure the speed with tamiya speed checker? I mean, giri isn't much accurate.

[@claredin]

Yes, you will see in my other videos how fast my motors are using the Tamiya Speed Checker. :) Of course, now that I've done this, there will be people asking me to test with Giri :)

[@claredin]

aBsically, if my box stock car isn't > 25km/hr on the Speed Checker with alkalines, I consider it a slow car :)

[@killric13]

What apps do you use for the RPM reading?

[@claredin]

You can use Giri on an iPhone, but I'm not sure if it's on Android. I would think it is

[@jagoanneon722]

🔥🔥👏🏼👏🏼

[@hayabusa9289]

29k but 3.0volts. Whats the rpm in 1.5v?

[@claredin]

Don't worry so much about exact numbers at X volts. Measure and compare the speed of different cars on the Tamiya speed checker. Place any car on the roller wheels closest to the LCD readout and measure the speed of the car. Now compare that to another car. Most cars are 24km/h if they are pretty fast. A few can be 25 or 26. Maybe one car in 1,000 can be 27 or 28. One of my cars was 28. I've even seen one car that was 29. That's how you should compare cars. But remember, speed isn't a guarantee to win races, but you can't "teach" speed. :)

[@chronostain2201]

is it applicable to hyperdash pro at macdash pro

[@claredin]

No, dash motors require a different method. Please see my hyperdash motor break-in video for the method for hyperdash. A macdash motor break-in video will be coming in the future.

[@chronostain2201]

@@claredin thanks

[@bienamorpesa1642]

At 1:54 what are you spraying? Is it Contact Cleaner?

[@claredin]

It's compressed air.

[@bryanoconner7477]

How many amp this machine output?

[@claredin]

2A at 6V

[@chuckpg31]

Can I use the venom for the water break in

[@claredin]

Venom is the name of my break-in process. Do you mean Voodoo oil? Yes, that's part of the break-in process during the water tuning.

[@chuckpg31]

@@claredin I mean I noticed you use a different power source for the water break in portion where you dip the motor in the cup. Can I use the venom system for that as well? I ordered one and it’s on the way

[@claredin]

@@chuckpg31 Ah, I know what you mean. That's the battery pack I'm using. The voltage is generally lower on it than the G-Force. Yes, you may also use the G-Force, but you'll need to adjust the voltage to 2.4V to be equivalent to the 3.0V in the battery pack. The reason is the G-Force at 3.0V actually emits more than 3.0V.

[@claredin]

BUT... take great care doing that because you don't want to get water on your G-Force unit while it's running. That's why I use a battery pack for water tuning. If I shorted that, it's a $6 mistake versus a $60 mistake :)

[@chuckpg31]

@@claredin sweet. That’s what I figured. Any links to the battery pack and wire leads. Can’t find anything with those tiny little alligator clamps

[@rockybonilla935]

hi..how i wish i.will reach that rpm on stock motor..... 3V 3 mins? how many cycle. did you do...

[@claredin]

The "1 1..." code I showed in the video means 1 minute forward, 1 minute reverse, etc :)

[@rikyridz959]

what stock motor are you using, mabuchi or SMC?

[@BayuSanjaya]

Judged by stock motor that can reach 17k RPM, it seems she useMabuchi version. SMC only be able to reach around 14k RPM.

[@antonioiiielarmo9247]

I have questions though, this is really a beast almost like a hyper dash in a sense but does this only happen during break-in? How about its speed when has load and on the track also batteries easily dies down if rechargeable types it easily becomes 2.4v after a few laps. I wonder how much speed it can retain when that happens cuz I don't have these things I would love to test it and I think it will benefit all of us. 😁 Thanks

[@claredin]

Hi antonioiii, over time, motors lose RPM due to soot that builds up inside the motor. If you have too much soot inside, you will need to clean the motor again, but I don't recommend water-tuning it again, only oiling it to wash out the soot. (There is a lot of information that I cannot say in just a reply or two, so someday I will teach a complete class on all of this.) In the US, we only use alkalines with our box stock races, so I have little experience with rechargeables with box stock cars. I would say that the speed of a car definitely degrades when batteries are at 2.4V. Alkalines are definitely preferable for a sustainable charge of 3.0V or above, but they do add a lot of weight to a car, so that's certainly a factor.

[@gogobello8704]

what app are you using?

[@claredin]

Giri

[@tehzisheng]

Hi there would like to purchase 3 of these. Could you build some for me

[@claredin]

It takes a while to create one and not every one will reach 29k, 28k, or even 26k. That's why I showed everyone the method so they can try this method on their own. However, that being said, I have a box of 14 box stock motors that I've not broken in yet. I intend to break them in next month. Unfortunately, what I will charge will be based on time ($25 each plus shipping) so it might be better to go through the process yourself.

[@tehzisheng]

@@claredin I'm okay with $50 for 2 of those 29k rpm. Let me know!

[@THANHNGUYEN-uq8zk]

Do u sell break in ultra dash?

[@claredin]

Hi Thanh, I don't sell broken in Ultra Dashes. I'm working on perfecting a different technique for breaking in that motor

[@marnierochellecapanan4623]

Tf my hyper dash 3 is only @24k

[@claredin]

how does it compare to your other Hyper Dash motors?

[@syfqx9012]

Haha i remember i used to let the engine run inside the fridge until the battery runs out😂

[@HanifFirmanardiansyah]

Nice 🏎️🪽

[@kaLim4ya]

Can u give us step by step how to venom tuned break-in?

[@josesatera1647]

Mrs. CLARE , im trying to reach you in your Instagram. Can I buy a stack of your Venom Tuned motor please ????

[@claredin]

Hi! I sent you a reply via IG

[@LassoKid7777]

Oil

[@mikezerogelz]

Your vlog is too fast to follow

[@claredin]

Try slowing down to 25% speed and you'll see everything :)

[@claredin]

I only made it that fast because I've discovered too many people lose interest when a video plays too slowly