Tangerine Dream Live - Kiew Mission - Munich 1981

[@dirklyssens8936]

A real GEM. Love it. Greetings Dirk Belgium

[@theodorrand]

Hello Dirk, all the best in the new year. Nice that you drop by again and you like it.

[@dirklyssens8936]

@@theodorrand hello, I love TD. I adore TD. They are my life. 😘

[@smithpm81]

saw them on this tour in the UK 1981, FANTASTIC show, Kiew Mission and Choronzon were the encores

[@theodorrand]

It's nice that people like you come here and tell about their beautiful experiences at TD concerts from back then. It's time again for a new Kiev Mission....

[@smithpm81]

@@theodorrand indeed it is my friend very much so

[@carlosms1969]

Thanks for sharing this jewel independently if they made playback of the album or not.

[@theodorrand]

Many people say that it is not "live" when TD plays at such events. As I already answered in another comment, this version of Kiew Mission is one minute shorter than the one on the CD. Thanks for your comment.

[@michaelschweitzer8410]

Thank you 4 sharing. Saw this as a child live on TV. Searching for the whole concert such a long time.

[@fuzzfilth]

Sadly they are just posing to the playback of the album track.

[@theodorrand]

Okay, I don't know how it really was. But one thing you can easily check, the album version is 9 minutes 16 seconds long, but this one in the video is 8 minutes 17 seconds long. How is that possible?

[@zibbybone]

@@theodorrand at the end of this "live performance" they leave out the last minute where the PPG "voice bells" play a refrain of an earlier motif over the bass drone. They probably went back to the original multitrack tape and made a new 2-track to mime over editing out that last minute.

[@theodorrand]

@@zibbybone Thank you for the explanation. I have no idea how Tangerine Dream produced the music. You, it seems, do. It should be clear that not everything can be played "live", because of the complexity of the music. Edgar Froese told on a TV show in 1982 on TV that everything is stored in the instruments and is called up via the keys. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gnzHnKp3o81npK8 . Thank you for getting in touch.

[@zibbybone]

@@theodorrand Yes, TD's music can get very complex and only so much can actually be played live, but in this clip, they are actually miming. MIDI (Musical Instrument Digital Interface) was first launched in 1983. MIDI is a standardization for electronic instruments from different manufacturers to communicate to each other. Before MIDI, each manufacturer had a different way to communicate. Even after the MIDI standard, most electronic acts would bring a 2 track or multitrack machine to their shows to play rhythmic and complicated parts and only perform simpler parts live. Nowadays, live acts bring laptops instead of expensive and bulky tape machines. When I perform live, I have a lot of the "backing material" sequenced into one of my keyboards and play live parts on other keyboards. Check out the videos on my channel. I watched that clip you linked earlier, but don't understand German very well. Even up to 1982, there were very few synthesizer keyboards with built-in sequencers. And those that did were very limited. It wasn't until the late-80s with the first introduction of the "workstation" keyboard when synthesizers would have integrated sequencers that could playback lengthy songs with multiple layers. Technically, the Fairlight CMI, introduced in 1979, was the first "workstation", but it was very expensive ($30k, as much as a small house back then) and typically stayed in studios, but some artists did tour with them: Duran Duran, The Art of Noise, The Pet Shop Boys.

[@theodorrand]

@@zibbybone I can only echo it as Froese said it in response to the entertainment show man's question. Furthermore, I once heard or read that TD always used the latest technology that was available at the time. The manufacturers of the musical instruments made devices on order. Or TD modified a lot of things, so it may be that it was possible to do things that some could not know. As I said, I do not know. Maybe when I have more time I will translate the interview into English. One question though, which I've asked several times, is why do you build these huge racks with all the keyboards around them if you don't want to play live? As far as I know, Tangerine Dream had also used equipment that had cost 30000 German marks and more at that time. I can't say much about other bands. Trevor Horn, the producer of Frankie Goes To Hollywood, also had the best instruments. Probably also Giorgio Moroder, Jean-Michel Jarre, Michael Cretu, Dieter Bohlen or later Yello, Jan Hammer or Herold Faltermeyer. There was such a great variety in the eighties. Thanks again for sharing.

[@uwe_drum5508]

Kiew

[@smithpm81]

Kiev

[@enuajsifoto]

@@smithpm81 That's Washington's spelling but we are in Europe

[@jensklages7591]

what a prophecy considering the war is in Kiev today (2022/2023). Just like the music for this fate and event more than 40 years later.

[@enuajsifoto]

you mean the prophesy that winning the Cold War will make capitalist pigs feel free to go to war anywhere anytime? Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya and now Ukraine? I think in 1991 there was hope in this music and the narration was in Russian meaning had we have USSR this war and all the other wars would NEVER had happened....