Why People Are FURIOUS At Finn McKenty, But I'm Not

[@nathanerrington7983]

He called his own viewers "smooth-brained." He called musicians a "lost cause" and said they suck if they can't make money from the attention they get on their music, whilst talking about how he knew people on LinkedIn with "

[@leos.9449]

Exactly

[@Christian-dp5zt]

My thoughts exactly.

[@zaccomptonk590]

The smooth brain comment was mostly accurate. I don't blame him for venting or being "bitter", guy took a beat down every day no matter what he did.

[@Mozerellaattitude]

@@zaccomptonk590now he can huff pressurized air like the addicts he is.

[@a1rabidfox341]

Y’all care tooooo much about these internet ppl. It’s weird.

[@DrTim0thyLeary]

Love ya Tank, but I can't agree with you here. Clearly people aren't mad just because he wanted to make money. People are mad because he flat out admitted to using the music community. A community he now claims he was never really a part of. Then has the nerve to mock that community as he rides off into the sunset. I didn't watch his content and even I'm kinda pissed. I know you're cool with him and all. But be careful how close you get to someone like that. Professional grifters always seem real nice.

[@AndrewScott1337]

"Oh wow, I didn't know I could leverage my platform to fucking scam my fans with bullshit courses and business coaching, that's totally punk rock and DIY right?" It's like he can't fathom that people make art for fun and connection and not just for clicks. I think he's projecting in some way because he had to shit out lowest common denominator content for money, but its like bruh... you chose to do that. He can fuck off to linkedin and I'll continue making art that make people happy.

[@PigglyWigglyDeluxe]

How the hell do you have an opinion about someone whose videos you’ve never watched? There is soooooooo much context you’re missing here. Your opinion of the guy sounds entirely based on comments you’ve read, and nothing more. He’s always been hyperbolic. When he said he doesn’t like music and only did it for the money, sure there is some truth to that, but he’s always been facetious in an effort to make a point. You have to read between the lines a little bit with him. Of course he doesn’t dislike music. That’s dumb to take that at face value. He’s exaggerating his point that he’s burnt out from making an entire KZbin career talking about the same bands over and over and over again. Imagine if Tank ONLY ever made reactions. Nothing more, nothing less. He’d get burnt out and eventually he’d probably say he doesn’t like music either. When your entire life is consumed by something, eventually you’d say fuck all of it. You’d be lying if you said otherwise. That’s how Finn presented himself here. He’s burnt out and exaggerated his explanation. Should he have done that? Yeah idk probably not, but he’s made it VERY clear for YEARS how stressed out he’s been by making the same videos over and over again that he didn’t want to make. To anyone actually paying attention by watching his videos, they weren’t surprised when he finally dipped and knew exactly why he dipped. All the haters never watched his videos and yet still somehow magically formulate opinions about him. This is on full display today. Uninformed people are often times the loudest.

[@jamesgentry13]

​@PigglyWigglyDeluxe kinda like Finn saying he never listened to a system of a down song yet he makes videos on them.

[@HKisPro]

​@@PigglyWigglyDeluxepreach brother. I was a frequent viewer on twitch and this was not a problem until after the fact lol. People could have clipped any one of his streams and heard the same thing.

[@squidmissiletv]

​@@PigglyWigglyDeluxeAgreed. It's kind of surprising that he hadn't cut it sooner. He's been saying this for a few years. I wanna say probably on every nu-metal video. Also it's not impossible that he doesn't care for music anymore. I don't. I used to be in bands and play out twice a week. I still have some great gear I fiddle around with sure but really I don't care. I'll put something on in the background if I'm doing something around the house but that's about it. People need to ease up on the guy. He had a good show for a while it got stale and he admitted it then dipped. His video on Pantera is fucking great.

[@brandonhumber5032]

People aren't mad that he did it for money. People are mad that he straight up says his followers are stupid and he was using them to make money. He could've stopped doing videos and said he was burnt out or whatever, but to insult people that helped him make his "financial goal" is crazy

[@jayyblxck8568]

To be fair a lot of his "fans" are stupid, if you look at his comment section that's pretty clear 😂 Not all just to clarify, but a significant enough margin to where it was visibly effecting his mental health and motivation to continue making videos.

[@caseyjones3522]

@@jayyblxck8568 i think this dudes mental health was long gone even before the comments.

[@PigglyWigglyDeluxe]

So tell me how much money did he take from you? Aside from people who paid into his Patreon, nobody gave him money.

[@miguelorozco4445]

So his fans are snowflakes? They need to grow up if that gets them mad

[@CreativeMindsAudio]

between that and acting like he's one of us then turning on us and being like oh i was never one of you. it's inauthentic and deceitful. sadly all of that is hard to get across in one twitch chat message. i tried though (manipulating your audience)

[@toga4900]

Idk he seemed pretty jaded and bitter for someone who's supposedly doing what he wants now. But the part where he said being in a band is stupid because you can make so much more money on linkedin was unintentionally hilarious

[@lisalancaster6510]

That’s part of the reason I think he was shitposting the entire podcast judging on the little bit I’ve seen on his twitch clips channel this is 100% his type of humor he just delivers a lot of over the top satirical comments in a complete monotone voice so yeah at least 90% of the statements in the podcast I’m pretty certain he was intentionally shit posting to get people who already hate him riled up and if this is the case it 100% worked lol judging by many of these comments in this comment section alone definitely a shitty way to end a channel as your not only pissing off your haters but your hardcore fans as well but I still believe he was attempting to troll people as to leave KZbin in a way where he never has to go back

[@toga4900]

@lisalancaster6510 bro this is such cope lmao. Sure, he was joking at some parts, but don't give him plausible deniability for a schrodingers douchebag excuse. Besides, him being a marketing guy, he should know better. He's a consultant on LinkedIn now. Who wants to take branding advice from someone who just ruined their reputation in the scene they built a brand in?

[@larshansson1953]

Yeah, it's not that he did it for the money. Who cares? It's that he was being an arrogant asshole. "My viewers are idiots", "being in a band is for idiots" "I know people on linkedin blah blahg who make more money". Bragging about LinkedIn. LMAO.

[@ExarchGaming]

@@toga4900 because most people aren't caring about how popular he is with a specific niche community on youtube, they just want the knowledge of how he did it.

[@toga4900]

@ExarchGaming if you wanna build a brand, it's just common sense to go to someone who's built a popular, genuine, and well received brand vs someone who was kinda popular but very disingenuous and not well received in the end. But then again, I think his current business model is just duping dumb rich people out of their money cuz there's no way the info he teaches is worth $3k lol. And if you have that kind of disposable income to take a "how to become an influencer" course, you're probably going to be a pretty lame influencer imo.

[@PrisPrivate]

It isn’t about making money off of youtube, it’s the way he went about this. he had a very condescending tone towards the people who enjoy music and his content, it makes him come off like a dick. also, no one forced him to make a music related KZbin channel if he really didn’t enjoy music. he’s smart, he could easily make a successful career in something he’s genuinely interested in, but he didn’t. i can completely understand your point of view, but it’s obvious why some of his fans feel a bit cheated.

[@TankTheTech]

He actually did make a successful career in something he's genuinely interested in, all while doing this KZbin on the side to make money. He's been behind the scenes doing marketing work for years, for a lot of stuff that people probably listen to.

[@PrisPrivate]

@ That’s great then! i’m happy for him

[@Rskyline0]

@@TankTheTech Still people can critizice that his "side gig" was a lie from our perspective. And it is all caused by how he said it, was it honest? Yes, is it a crime? No. Is it a dick move? Hell yeah.

[@shayxtreme]

Yes 💯

[@user-lq9mw1sb8d]

Yeah, hes definitely kind of a shit head to treat his genuine fans like that. But ots no surprise. People get a little fame and think they're above people. Like Finn.

[@theskipper34]

The "can't take criticism" thing is absolutely accurate. Anytime anyone had differing opinions he trashed them in comments, me included. Stopped watching him a few years ago because of that.

[@caseyjones3522]

stopped watching him 5 years ago because of his "crab mentality" take on why rock is dead. deadass the most dumb take ive seen on the internet.

[@Madkalibyr]

And his takes /opinions were always soooo bad lol He is that image of the possum screaming at people to leave his trash alone

[@Dayman420]

He would always say just objectively wrong things, then people would point them out and he’d start going on about being harassed by people when people were just simply correcting him.

@@caseyjones3522 seen? you mean listened to ?[ just clarifying ]

[@andrewhoffman1087]

Do I have a problem with Finn quitting? No. Do I have a problem with him, "Only doing it for the money?" Also, no. Do I have a problem with him being arrogant/condescending to his audience? Admittedly, yes: this is where my issues with him start. I used to watch his content from about 2020-2021, give or take. And back then, he seemed more neutral in his takes. Like, for example, when he was talking about different genres. He would be more nuanced with his takes, where he would say things like, "Hey! It's not for me, but other people obviously enjoy it, so good for them!" Granted, I don't need everyone to be this way all the time, but I just remember getting irritated with how pretentious he started coming off. What was worse was that he never left any room for discussions. It was his opinion, and if you disagreed, you were an idiot. The "I'm holier than thou" attitude was what really got me pissed off. So, I just stopped watching him altogether! He said some things I agree with, and he definitely insulted plenty of the things I like. It is what it is, and I decided to take my "business/viewership" elsewhere. I'd be lying if I said I don't feel some smug satisfaction in that the rest of his audience is finally seeing what turned me off of his content years ago. Still, this situation has certainly created some interesting takes, good, bad, and everything in between.

[@tjcaruthers5593]

Exactly. 100% why I stopped watching his stuff around the time you stopped.

[@mattpiemonte2826]

Completely agree I've only seen a few of his videos and in some he would absolutely shit on some of my favorite bands and say pretty crappy stuff about fans who enjoy it, and the bands weren't controversial ones of any sort.

[@wuztron]

As a father and older punk/hardcore/diy guy, I have a TON of respect for Tank and agree that on a macro scale social media is a fucking dumpster. That being said, I'm getting the vibe that he's a little too close to this one? I used to work for a company that makes snowboards. Was I super into snowboarding? No. But it was a mostly fun job that I didn't hate. Now, if *SIRIUS RADIO* asked me why I don't make snowboards anymore and I said it was because "I have no interest in snowboards and people who enjoy or had opinions about snowboards are stupid," I would expect some blowback. And I would deserve it. I have no idea what this Finn dude is like. I realized pretty early on he was mostly scraping Wikipedia to make his vids so I bounced. (His editing was fine FWIW) I'm sure there are some wild, probably unfair takes out there. But in that interview he came off like a pompous asshole. And not just in the clipped portion that most people are mad about. Like, half to 2/3 of it. It was a tough listen.

[@caseyjones3522]

most of us that actually care about music bounced years ago. i blame the tik tok crowd for keeping Finns channel relevant. They know fuck all about music. But its a music platform, ironically. Perfect example is these Deftones chicks on there. Basically just using it as a style, when its supposed to be about the music.

[@XOChristianaNicole]

Well stated.

[@ophilianecr]

I get why the community feels like they were swindled out of their support or their time by watching him. Some of his takes on bands or genres were really divisive and Finn has a really deadpan /dry sense of humor, that is hard to tell when he's joking or ironic sometimes! Lots of people didn't catch the subtle jokes and took them at face value. To be fair to Finn, it had become obvious he had a lot of hate watchers and people calling him out in less than civil ways too. That HAS to take a toll on a person! But Finn was also deliberately creating this scene on his channel where we knew he was going to have a take about a band that was kinda questionable, even for a personal opinion. Theres no clear cut "villain" here because he was also reactionary to the internet and the toxicity of it too!

[@caseyjones3522]

@@ophilianecr "Finn has a really deadpan /dry sense of humor, that is hard to tell when he's joking or ironic sometimes!" that just means you suck as a comedian. end of story.

[@dennistrusty5145]

I might be wrong I heard elsewhere he said "My fans were stupid and smooth brained and the bands are even dumber if you have millions of eyes on you and not making more than a band who has 10,000 fans that's a problem" I might be wrong but that was the problem. The money and stuff else I understand.

[@Frahamen]

Yeah. I don't think anyone blames him for treating his job as a job. The issue is that in so many of his takes, especially in that interview, he makes clear that he values people entirely based on how much money they make and that's just a painfully sad worldview.

[@tormmac]

@@Frahamen its called projection, he believes the only value he has is the money he produces, therefore he judges others by the same standard he judges himself, and yes its very sad and if i had to guess he's in a bad marriage with a gold digger that ended up causing him to create this weird cope "its not cringe im in a gold digger marriage" "everyone is only being valued by the monetary value they bring the people in their lives" which is demonstrably untrue.

[@ophilianecr]

​@@tormmacif he's burnt out on making content, it was totally going to affect the outlook he had in the scene as a whole. But as somebody who plays instruments, knowing that many bands still have to put the time in for even a bit of recognition in this era.... idk, the lack of acknowledgement for the hustle of bands wasn't the only thing that bothered me, it was the total takedowns of bands that was also unnecessary. I mean, calling Linkin Park "washed up by 2004" was just objectively innacurate, and I'm not a big fan of LP and i know that!!

[@XOChristianaNicole]

Finn: "I don't care about music, at all. 5:20, Tank: "Finn and I text about music. stuff." 5:45, Tank: "You got Jesea's full podcast episode -- which, I still need to watch.." Perhaps you aren't entirely clear on why people are upset, being you have yet to watch the full interview, Tank. It has little to do with Finn's reasoning -- and greatly to do with his attitude.

[@user-lq9mw1sb8d]

Yeah Tank dropped the ball on this one. He's too afraid to go against Finn cause they are buddies. These youtubers act like they HAVE to upload what people want. No one has a gun to your head. Upload or don't upload.

[@ajkeefner]

Who are you to say what Tank did or didn't do???

[@DrMedioPato]

I’m not furious at him, I’m actually quite happy that I reaffirmed my idea that he was pretty mediocre

[@BillyDHughesDrums]

Exactly

[@MattPula]

For real, I was a pretty early sub to his and liked a lot of his content early on - but as time went on it became clear that he was just following trends and cashing in (which I don't hold against him, more power to ya if you can successfully do that). I slowly stopped paying attention to him, then unsubbed around 2020 when it came out he was a big gun nut and trump supporter.

[@KeganStucki]

Prefuckingcisely!

[@mikekristin7201]

And a total dick

[@Demigodking]

Hater

[@withinthrall1445]

This video basically says, “I didn’t watch the full interview so I’m going to assume people are overreacting.” You don’t get to call musicians and music fans morons and not get criticism. This is about him being a liar, being a baby, and him being ungrateful for his audience. Why would you glaze a dude who’s marketing strategy is doing a job he hates and then ruining his brands reputation by calling the fans and musicians he’s talked about stupid.

[@jameskeene9317]

It has nothing to do about him quitting. Everyone reaches a point to where they want to leave. He grifted people by making content about music but now he says he doesn’t like it. If he wanted to do KZbin for money he could’ve done anything else, but he chose something he didn’t like and then called his audience smooth brained morons. You really need to watch the full podcast. I understand he was burned out and only did it for the money but he could’ve walked away and never spoke again online but instead insulted his audience on the way out.

[@DogWaterDen]

Disagree. It's not just the money. He used his audience and threw them aside like a used toy. That's scumbag shit.

[@CMO1061]

@@DogWaterDen low life grifter shenanigans.

[@badstylecherry7255]

Did he delete his videos?

[@alleykat1750]

Cmon, bro so the kid from Toy Story that quit playing with Buzz Light-year is a scumbag?

[@Dr.Spatula]

You ever quit a job? You're such a scumbag

[@feefawfern8240]

Punks play with the same/similar “toys” as the audience and fellow punks.

[@John_Souls]

5 years from now "Yeah, I actually hate this entire roadie shit, was doing it pure for money. Bye."

[@TankTheTech]

Well, it’s been like 18 and I’m still here and still love it. 😂

[@mramos1126]

@@TankTheTech aren't you going through a villain arc?

[@TedDiabetes]

​@@TankTheTechbro, you're actively missing the point.

[@nyxus007]

I think this was recorded before Tank watched the video/podcast...Finn ABSOLUTELY belittled the people who watched his content...to be clear, I had never heard of Finn before this, so it's not rage baiting or anything that got me caught up. I can appreciate a dude being done with youtube, but being a dick to the people who got you to that "financial place" isn't cool.

[@caseyjones3522]

ive lost all respect, which isnt much...for a roadie....for this tech guy. i barely watch him he just shows up in my feed bc i like heavy music.

[@nyxus007]

@caseyjones3522 nah absolutely not, this isn't an attack on Tank. He's fantastic and honest about his intentions and I doubt he'd ever disparage the youtube viewers.

[@caseyjones3522]

@@nyxus007 "He's fantastic and honest about his intentions " people thought this about Finn too.

[@perlundgren7797]

It definitely was. 5:45: "Jesse's full podcast episode, which I need to watch."

[@honeynetalove]

@@caseyjones3522most people didn’t think this about Finn at all. Tank is genuinely good natured and not egotistical. He’s here to share insider info about how the music industry works bc he’s passionate about it and he’s super supportive of the whole heavy music scene, the artists(no matter whose music he does or doesn’t listen to), the workers and the fans. He always tries to be fair and honest about hot button issues. One bad take doesn’t warrant a questioning of the quality of his character imo.

[@lambgoat]

Regarding our headline... that was taken as a direct quote from Finn. He also clarified he wasn't doing it for anything other than that. That is where you and he may differ, you seem to be passionate about music, where as Finn stated multiple times that was not the case. Is that true? No clue, however, what was said is what we reported on.

[@TankTheTech]

Never said you made up or lied about the quote. Just pointing out that that’s what everyone was focusing on for headlines.

[@caseyjones3522]

holy shit Lamb Goat commented.

[@caseyjones3522]

@@TankTheTech maybe watch the whole fucking interview, you lazy fuck

[@lambgoat]

@@TankTheTech Well it is important to focus on that because Finn made the point, it's the entire point of the video basically. All things aside, if he is coming off in a bad light its brought on by himself.

[@lambgoat]

@@caseyjones3522 we outside

[@MrTabasham1990]

"No guys listen, KZbin is hard. Finn has a family. Please don't call out his B.S. Please bros, Ignore the false persona he put up for years."

[@benmeyer494]

Dude!!! The amount of bullshit Finn through out and how he bashed the bands and their fanbases was a big reason people hated him. Don't give me this, you can't comment and not have repercussions for it. Finn's the definition of dishing it out, but can't take it back!!!

[@FrancescoTakesItEasy]

I have no horse in this race, not a Finn watcher. I'm also not up to date on current metal and hardcore subcultures, but back in my day authenticity was valued very highly. To hear a prominent personality from that scene say they never had any actual interest in said scene, and were only doing it for the money, I can understand people feeling scammed. I guess it feels like finding out your favorite band doesn't play their own instruments.

[@JoeyVilleneuve]

It boils down to 1 thing. Finn talked a lot about how many artists were not liked (such as industry plants) because they weren't authentic. And how people loved certain artists such as Spiritbox, because they ARE authentic. Then he turned out to be exactly the same as those artists that aren't liked: inauthentic/fake. As for the comments about making the content your audience wants/KZbin being a career. I think KZbin was better off back when there wasn't money being made, when it was actually for people to just share what they enjoyed making, when being "a KZbinr" wasn't a "career" path.

[@TheUncleRuckus]

I wholeheartedly agree, YT was way better before the monetization bullshit turned everyone into disingenuous breadtubers.

[@rnrtruestories]

i think money comment upset people - but people were also upset that he slammed his subscribers and viewers. It made him seem ungrateful for all the success he's had.

[@caseyjones3522]

i like your channel

[@rnrtruestories]

@@caseyjones3522thank you very much! Merry Christmas!

[@Madkalibyr]

He seems incredibly ungrateful and has no respect

[@PigglyWigglyDeluxe]

What blows my mind is that nobody has been paying attention to his videos. If any of you guys actually watched his videos and read between the lines, you’d never be surprised that he quit KZbin and never be surprised what he had to say about why he quit KZbin. This should all come as no surprise to anyone This just proves nobody has been paying attention and everyone built their opinions from comments sections

[@redfin382]

In don't mind the money thing...I work 40 hours a week just for money... But he needed to spit in everyone's face on the way out. Him admitting that he just vomited wikipedia is crazy.

[@Fleato]

for me it's not so much that he's a poser or what ever but what he said about the people that watched his content. and he definitely did specifically insult his viewers. he said his content is for "smooth brains" and blah blah.

[@anderiturralde]

That's what was wild about the final stretch of him doing content. And a big part of why I stopped watching, even before he stopped. I chalked up to him having become desperately bitter about it all, but him being so snippy and frequently condescending towards his own fans, to a degree that he just wasn't throughout the first few years, was quite puzzling and plainly unfortunate.

[@jvann244]

For the people that were fans of his content, they either knew he was being an asshole on purpose and didn't care, or knew he was just trying to get a rise out of people and laughed it off. But for the people who didn't like him, Finn knew that it would just make them angry and ultimately shit talk him, which in the end only drives more people to watch him and engagement. And if people actually did get offended by his insults and comments, then that's honestly kinda sad andthey just need to stick to their safe spaces or get off the internet.

[@EggTamago7]

This is it for me. His contempt for his audience became increasingly clear. I definitely don't think his interview explaining why he quit was well handled - hurling 4chan-esque insults at the audience that just paid your bills for years is immature as hell. This was a vibe I got from him in his Discord already years ago. I don't care about his personal enjoyment of making the content he did, whether he liked every band he talked about, or whether or not he wanted to quit. That's up to him. His content started pretty cool, informative, and even thought-provoking, but he ended up in this cycle of: Post an inflammatory/judgemental take or state what is obviously his personal opinion (which he's entitled to) as fact in a judgemental manner, get raked over the coals in the comments, get annoyed that his audience didn't respond as positively to him as that of other KZbinrs, repeat. I remember he posted a video literally wondering why people like Nik were viewed so positively and he wasn't - I mean... Nik shares his opinions all the time, but he doesn't insult people for not sharing them. Same with Tank, since we're here. Like, you put out negativity, you get negativity back. Pretty simple... Upon a bit of reflection, I'm a bit more hesitant to claim "that's just who he is" - it's entirely possible he fell into the trap of leaning towards negative content because it drives engagement (see RIck Beato's content of late), and the inevitable negative pushback became too much for him. But, either way, I bounced off a few years ago because I felt like I was just watching a guy tell his audience why they're idiots for liking the completely subjective things they like. I didn't have a meltdown in the comments when I realized this... I just unsubbed, set his channel to ignore, and moved on. It did apparently leave a sufficiently poor taste in my mouth that I'm willing to chat about it in other comments sections, though lol.

[@caseyjones3522]

@@jvann244 "they either knew he was being an asshole on purpose and didn't care, or knew he was just trying to get a rise out of people and laughed it off. " I think you're really overestimating KZbin viewers.

[@redfin382]

Yeah this is my opinion too. He made a point to come on KZbin and call his fans and all the bands that supported him stupid. He could have just faded away and stopped uploading. He could just say he was burnt out ..but he didn't. He needed to make sure people knew he never liked them and hates them. Fuck Finn. Fuck Tank for gaslighting us as if Finn is just doing this because he is burnt out. He isn't. Finn said he has no interest in music and called fans dumb.

[@shortlivedglory3314]

1: He was condescending toward his subscribers, many of whom supported him via Patreon. 2: There is a limited amount of space for voices from the punk/metal community. He took up a place of prominence that could have been enjoyed by someone who actually cares. 3: He complained about having to do videos he didn't care about when he was making big money to do something many would kill to do. Some of us are out here struggling to take care of a family and don't care to hear a rich boy whining about having to work for a living.

[@KentBunn]

If the other voices deserved the audience more than him, then they would have actually put out content that was compelling enough to earn the audience. You get the audience you earn. And you earn that audience by giving them what they want.

[@Ganbarizer]

This is the most contrarian response I've seen to this news so far. I get wanting to make money and all that. But to make your whole brand be based on being super knowledgeable about music, calling your channel 'the punk rock MBA" and turning around and saying "I don't listen to music, I'm not a fan of these bands, I was just in it for the bag" before dipping out is a massive slap in the face to the people who liked his content and made him all that money by watching and subscribing in the first place. Incredibly insulting.

[@nashvegasmgt]

Word.

[@Viking300]

I agree more with Nik Noc. It’s the lack of professionalism and burning the bridge that takes it over the top. For not being a negative person, he sure chose negativity. And at the end of the day, actions speak louder than words.

[@BassBored]

He just comes across as arrogant and then insults his fans on the way out. Glad he's gone if thats how he actually feels. Don't come back and don't let the door hit you on the way out

[@wildchild092]

I think Fantano summed it up best in his video on this: "Yeah, instead of being self critical, he is taking his own terrible decision making out on music fans and musicians alike just being really nasty and dismissive, and frankly disrespectful. You're the guy who made a fucking music channel at the end of the day. Nobody made you do that. That was your choice." Word

[@direcircumstances]

It's funny how you made that comment about how it's mostly smaller channels that are covering this story to capitalize on Finn's downfall, and none of them actually know him. I had the opposite experience. I learned about this story from Anthony's Fantano's video, and not only is his channel wildly successful, but he has actually met Finn in person. And guess what? Fantano thinks it's pretty bogus that this guy was so cynical and condescending about his lack of interest in music during the interview, and I agree. Finn could have just said, "I've made enough money doing KZbin, I don't really enjoy doing it, so I'm quitting content creation to do other things." That would have been fine. Some of his subscribers would have been disappointed, but it wouldn't have been a big deal. However, the way Finn expressed himself in the interview was a terrible look. I'm surprised that you don't understand why people are upset with him.

[@XOChristianaNicole]

He had yet to even watch the interview. He said he still had to watch the Jesea interview, in the video. I don't think Tank understands why people are, actually, upset.

[@direcircumstances]

@@XOChristianaNicole Damn, no wonder he sounds uninformed. I thought he had watched most of the interview and he said he hadn't watched the whole podcast episode yet or something.

[@Ms666slayer]

I knew about is from some of the biggest Metal Channels on the spanish language which are Amusia and El cuartel del Metal, so at least here it was made by big youtuber relatively to our scene, also they had a similar opinion that a lot of people, they believe all of hat he didn't like music and the stuff was no actually true and he did it to just go scape. Also i started to watch Finn at his earliest when he was more about marketing of bands and similar stuff and then he started to talk about bands more generally, he started more neutral and but as time passed he started to become more condescending and had this "Holier than Thou" attitude ,i believe his Black Metal video was on of the first that startet that trend but taht video had lots of views so i believe he saw the way to make more money to be controversial and he started to make more of that kind of videos.

@@XOChristianaNicole hes just someone just like him

[@OffLeatherWings]

14:07 - They don’t mean Finn “insulting his audience” by saying hot takes and spicy opinions throughout his KZbin career. They’re talking about that Jesea Lee interview where Finn was very clearly and straightforwardly insulting his audience. Calling them “smooth-brained” and only looking at them transactionally. Not to mention also calling musicians “a lost cause “

[@PresidentialAI96]

Anthony Fantano was the first person I heard about this from and he had a really solid take. It's fine to do KZbin for money since that's what all KZbinrs do essentially, but don't think for a second that he wasn't riding off of people's kindness and coattails like yourself for his own sake. I won't delve into the fact that Finn's wife is considerably younger than he is and that can bring up other questions but I believe he's about as honest as a customer service worker smiling at you.

[@blakematthews6374]

I don’t mean this to come off confrontational, but have you watched the full video? He came off very belittling to his audience in the interview, said musicians suck for being too stupid to find other ways to make money than requiring people to go to concerts, things like that. I’m pretty neutral on him so I’m not hating on what he said and I agree with a decent portion of it, but I think his general attitude in the interview was pretty off putting to anyone who did enjoy his content and I get why people who already didn’t like him jumped on it.

[@AndrewScott1337]

Yeah that comment pissed me off as a touring musician. Like "Oh wow, i could leverage my platform to fucking scam my fans with bullshit courses and business coaching, that's totally punk rock and DIY right?" It's like he can't fathom that people make art for fun, dude seems like other jaded old heads that end up hating what they love. But yeah, the way he shit on the fans and music community was really lame. If he just made a video about wanting to quit and thanking the viewers it would all be fine. Also he's a really mediocre artist and his taste in art is bad lol.

[@ericbarber4297]

I mean tbf tank did say that he hadn't watched the full podcast episode. That being said, he did say recently that people shouldn't be lazy in their research before making videos on their takes on situations. Im not saying he was straight up lazy but he definitely could have dug deeper

[@blakematthews6374]

@ yea I was pretty sure he indicated he hasn’t seen the full video but it wasn’t super clear (or I thought maybe I heard him wrong). I feel like this is a case where you need to watch the whole 45 minute video before really chiming in 😅

[@BagofSchmidt]

You forgot "because hes my friend" at the end if the title

[@TankTheTech]

You say that like I didn’t explain my actual relationship with him in the video n

[@caseyjones3522]

@@TankTheTech just get off youtube. you're cooked.

[@GenoIsASnitch]

⁠@@TankTheTechwhile their comment is shortsighted, I’m honestly disappointed to see this is your take on this. I genuinely have felt you to be someone who values their viewers and fans, while Finn describes his as “smooth brained” and uses other right wing Chad terminology to justify his behavior. I’m not saying people at poles can’t be social, but he seems diametrically opposed to a lot of how I thought you felt.

[@Ruleof2Review]

He said he doesn’t like music and hates his viewers and has basically been faking it for years. So he sucks. End of story.

[@Dr.Spatula]

I've hated jobs that I've done for years. I'm not going to mad because someone made money. Why are people emotionally attached to him?

[@feefawfern8240]

Punk is supposed to a thing that is different than the words, and sentences, that he used in the interview, that is why.

[@joelbarish]

@@Dr.Spatula I love it when stories like this come out because you can really get a good look at where people's mental health are at because yeah why are people so upset about this? If you have been following this guy none of this should come as a surprise.

[@joelbarish]

@@feefawfern8240 Oh please, making rules for punk now are we?

[@Zeppelinschaffner22]

To be fair tho, he's been saying this even while he was still uploading. He made tons of videos about how Rockism is bad and music (especially metal) nerds suck and need to get a life. Like... None of this is news to anyone that actually watched his content

[@Annastasia666]

It would have been one thing if he came out and said "guys, I'm shot. Done. Goose is fully cooked and I am no long doing these vids." I would be so down with that. But he said he doesn't care or like the music. Like what the actual F?? That frosted my cookies! Of COURSE anyone and everyone gets burnt out in their jobs. That is normal and to be expected in any industry. What pisses me off about this guy is that he is basically now laughing in all of our faces that he took us all for a ride and how could be so stupid to not know he was BS'ing us the entire time. I am not a fan of being laughed at, sorry. He should be an actor bc those was some award winning performances he gave.

[@Annastasia666]

@@keelhld94 Ah, I do have to agree with you on that point. Good call. I dug him because he was talking about hardcore bands that no one else talks about. I'm from Jersey & back in the late 80's & into the 90's I was all up in that scene in NYC/Jersey so I was loving him for talking about that scene & the bands in general. Never got any vibe he wasn't into it at all. I wish him well.

[@WerseVarsity-jk9bh]

@@keelhld94 The vibe I got was that he was super burnt out and he just decided to go in a blaze, but then why even bother watching someone like that anymore?

[@BrianTylerComposer]

I disagree. Grifters suck by nature.

[@theshape3988]

Well said

[@matthalpin9961]

This was about as hard a watch as the Finn interview. Tank admitted on stream he hadn’t watched the whole interview before recording this. He really should have because he’s misunderstanding the context of the comments he’s responding to. That being said, you can tell tank looks up to Finn and is obviously not processing that Finn lied to him along with everyone else. Hope Finn doesn’t drag tank down with him.

[@johnnyriffs]

16:20 Metallica, for example, is probably very tired of playing “Enter Sandman.”… However, I think the difference is that they don’t insult their fans or anyone who wants to hear that song again. They still show a passion for music and their fans even if they don’t enjoy playing every song. If it were only about the money, they could have quit 35 years ago. This guy should have quit sooner too if he never even enjoyed any of it. Of course you wouldn’t do KZbin for years if there wasn’t any money in it, but that’s not the issue here… Nobody has a problem with KZbinrs earning money. Not as long as they don’t fake everything, or pretending having a passion for music. People probably just want more honesty. But at least he is honest now and didn’t continue with this charade for 5 more years. Edit: Maybe it sound like I feel ”betrayed”😂 I don’t really care for myself. I only watched a few videos of him and I always had a wierd feeling about him, I was just not sure why. His ”confession” explained a lot.

[@blitzofchaosgaming6737]

This thing you said about 99% of youtubers do it for the money... I think you are a bit out of touch. 96% of youtube creator channels are unmonetized. 99.8% make under 300 dollars a month.

[@AHeroAlmost]

I don’t think Tank watched the video or totally misunderstood what Finn was saying ..

[@TankTheTech]

I didn’t misunderstand anything because I actually talked to the dude instead of just watching the interview and making a raging gut emotional reaction.

[@caseyjones3522]

@@TankTheTech well you talking to Finn and the interview is going to be completely different given the context so post it.

[@dpacula63]

@@TankTheTechI mean, of course Finn is gonna try and make himself look good in front of you and tell you he totally didn’t groom his wife. He knows you have integrity, so he knows you’d cut him off if you saw any sign of misdoing

[@alskarmode]

@@TankTheTech Tank, I'm going to be real with you, the fact that you're going so hard with defending a predator is really disgusting. As a survivor, I really respected the fact that you were standing up for survivors and victims, and condemning abusers. But now that you're actively defending a known predator makes your "allyship" seem performative.

[@strahljd]

Now there are two out of touch metal youtubers, great. I hope we can get some real channels from some genuine people to fill in the void

[@Perposterous]

Think you're missing the name calling and degrading. Let's shorten some things, you work for Electric Callboy so instead of saying "Band" we will use your band. "Your band doesn't know how to make money. Your making youtube videos because you're too stupid to monetize Electric Callboy correctly. They have millions of monthly listeners, I know people with less than 10,000 followers on linkedin making more money than all of you. Electric Callboy are a lost cause." Again from a guy who worked in the industry for multiple decades before having to start a youtube channel to make money....But your right, he's just a good guy he didn't groom that girl there's only video evidence online of it, you can't be mad at someone for being a diddler right? c'mon man.

[@matthewmorin7016]

Bingo

[@buttermybuns9529]

HE WORKS FOR ELECTRIC CALLBOY!?

[@CMO1061]

@@Perposterous talk about it.

[@chasm9557]

@@buttermybuns9529 Just to clarify: Tank works for EC, not Finn.

[@subj3ctt0chang3]

You’re really mad at him for being a conservative, huh? That part at the end gave it away.

[@delix787]

Guys, he said he has Finn’s phone number, they talk. He didn’t need to watch the interview!

[@johnramos7512]

Ehh Tank I’m sorry but hard disagree man. I get that you know him and all, but maybe you should’ve took the time to watch the full interview. He honestly came off as a arrogant asshole while insulting all of his fans, and there were other avenues he could’ve took on his departure.

[@hattarapilvi]

maybe you should watch the whole interview before publicly sharing your opinion... like others have pointed out, he literally calls his viewers smooth brained idiots. i dont care that he quit youtube (i never even watched his channel) or that he did yt for money, but to mock and belittle the people who literally got you to your "financial goal" is just nasty and unnecessary assholery.

[@TankTheTech]

I have watched it. And no, he did not call all of his viewers that. He was talking about the people that he thinks lack critical thinking skills that just get angry and go to KZbin comment sections. I thought this was kinda clear, but obviously not since you’re far from the first person to bring it up.

[@caseyjones3522]

@@TankTheTech you said in this video you didnt watch the entire interview ya fucking retard. i hope you get canceled like Finn.

[@markjames8664]

I am puzzled by some of Finn’s statements. It’s clear that he has at least in the past really enjoyed some music. He has always been fairly clear that he covers a lot of music he’s not interested in, although (with some exceptions) he did a pretty good job of it. My guess is that he was lashing out because he was burned out. I’m not defending those comments but I disagree that these comments mean he defrauded viewers. I learned a lot from many of his videos, regardless of the source of his information (no one can do that much content based entirely on original research). He did a strong segment on racism in metal that was definitely not done to win friends. Finn definitely has had mental health issues (as have I), and I don’t know about his character. Some people I like and respect are quite negative about him, but I also like and respect you so I’m not able to be sure on that point. But as a long term viewer I was not surprised that he quit, just surprised by his comments.

[@binsentsu04]

@@TankTheTech he also talked shit about musicians, uknow the people whose work he based his video on to reach is financial goals. He could have just say "i'm burned out and i lost the passion so i'm moving on to something else", why did he have to make those comments on the way out ?

[@GoddaryuTUBE]

​@@TankTheTech those people that you say lack critical thinking and just got angry and went to the youtube comment section were just in his comment sections pointing out his L takes that clearly came from someone who wasn't even interested in the topic, so they were pointing out reality that he was a poser/grifter and just posting ridiculous takes for views and money and he was getting mad at people pointing it out and would reply to them gaslighting them pretending they were just so salty idiot and it wasn't true. Then he tries to call us smoothbrains cause he got a bag and is gone? He proved what we are all saying and thinks that's a win on his behalf? I dont get it. I feel sorry for the people who actually thought he was someone to look too for a valid opinion, they'd be feeling burned, but it's a valuable lesson to have your own opinions and dont just look at what others are saying and repeat that. Then on top of all that he acts like he is some victim of internet hate when what he said quite literally makes all that "hate" that he got factual. It's like that meme of the girl putting a stick in her bike wheel and falling over and blaming everything but themselves.

[@nohopeforthenate]

My issue with Finn as of late is that he masscaraded as someone who cared about premise his content was based on (the og point of the punk rock mba was as it seemed to me, to dissect the success of bands of different eras and styles on a buisness level) Some of the points made at the start of the channel were extremely valuable, and his integration into things like URM and Horizon Devices seemed to back up that he was a genuine voice in the scene. I was never a fan of certain pov he had on bands that maybe leaned more "anti capitalist," but I just caulked that up to american ideology. But even then, i felt there were points he made that were valuable. To a point where for a few years, I was actively promoting his content to members of my scene and bands. So to have it all turn around to just being a thing that was just used to pad his wallet, on top of insulting the community he cultivated, makes it feel like he had no interest in helping the next generation in the industry. He only saw his audience as a cashcow. If it was an instance where there was passion, but he lost it and was honest about it, a good chunk of the community would understand and encourage him to do what he wants. That passion was apparently seemingly non-existent.

[@MattxxMatt]

Rare Tank L. The vast majority of the top comments have explained why so I won’t parrot it again.

[@CnMinus1432]

He admitted to only doing it for the money nearly a year ago on an interview he did on someone else's podcast, which he then also forwarded as an episode on the PRMBA podcast. At that point, he was also going on and on about how he just found out that he's autistic, loves marketing and that his audience has no clue what they want to the point that the whole thing felt pretty narcissistic. I stopped consuming any of his content at that point. Seeing all of this unfold almost a year later, I am not even the tiniest bit surprised. The reason I even comment and do it here in particular is that I'm a bit disappointed to see you flagrantly sympathizing with him like this. It seems like you'll forgive anyone for anything if they're good enough at making money from something you're interested in, honestly. I hope I'm wrong.

[@morpheussmith4366]

I'm glad Finn is gone. I never searched the guy. His videos always showed up as spam as I was searching for something else. Finn was putting his face next to all these band logos in his thumbnails and I saw clearly what he was doing. He was using those bands logos to promote Finn Mckenty. Then in said videos he talked trash about the fans of those bands. The guy was spam and KZbin will be a healthier place with him gone. Real recognizes real. I could tell for years that there was nothing sincere about him.

[@zactogepi6824]

All that I can learn about this situation is that he's acting like a prick for pure coping. Everything about his "reasons" and statements on social media gives me reactions like: "lol what a jerk"

[@LinkinParkfan77]

I respectfully disagree, Tank. With great power comes great responsibility, and Finn had a platform that many other creators would have loved to have. Instead of using it to help the scene, he sometimes chose to play the edgelord. He made some really great videos and did an excellent job diving deep into bands I had never heard of and ended up enjoying. But if he's so smart, why couldn't he find a marketing agency or think tank to put his business and marketing talents to better use?

[@caseyjones3522]

" Instead of using it to help the scene, he sometimes chose to play the edgelord" thats my biggest problem with this guy. instead of lifting great newer bands up, he focused on SOAD or whatever else is popular in a negative light. I could name so many new bands that are awesome, Loathe is one.

[@LinkinParkfan77]

@ Exactly!! The creators that I love the most definitely do their all to help out younger bands. And you can tell they enjoy finding new music to share with their followers. And then those bands share when those creators spotlight them thus building the community even further. This is why authenticity and intention matters.

[@ophilianecr]

Isn't the punk scene known for pride for being as edgy and abrasive as possible? To just piss people off because "rebellion at all costs"?🙄 Finns channel was known for his "offensive opinions and deadpan humor" and "hot takes" that were sometimes objectively untrue. Idk, the longer the video goes, Tank makes it seem like Finn cant possibly have some unsavory traits because "he's smart with business and gives me advice".

[@CPpdx20]

My main issue with Finn is that he would talk about certain bands and just straight up say they are just not good, they're a terrible band, etc. And then he would be confused why people would be upset. There's a difference between stating your opinion about something that you're not into and telling people that thing is garbage as if it's a fact.

[@jakobjas4212]

And given he doesn't even like music, I'd say there's a pretty high chance he didn't even listen to some or even any of the bands he said were terrible.

[@LiftedBlader]

Whenever i watched the twitch streams, his criticism of the music was always "why didnt they make the music more accessible, why isnt it more like pop music" The only thing i ever saw him say in his discord was "everyone hates me because theyre losers who dont make a lot of money" Dude is the living definition of a stooge

[@Blacktull89]

Agreed. "This music is terrible and you're dumb if you like it. It's *fine* that you like it, but you're also dumb if you like it." I always enjoy hearing others opinions on why they don't like certain songs or bands, even if I don't agree with it. He rarely did that, or when he did it was for weird reasons like you stated. "Its not poppy enough, its not mainstream enough, they aren't attractive enough"

[@TheUpsidesKen]

Sorry Tank, I feel you're out to lunch on this one.

[@Decrapitate]

Tank is out here bringing that old PRMBA energy to this whole thing: 1.) Having (or appearing to have) a bad understanding of the subject of the video ✅ 2.) Providing a terrible opinionated take on it ✅ 3.) Dismissing objective facts by not mentioning them ✅ 4.) Sprinkling arguments in the comment section to subscribers who disagree with the poor take ✅

[@feefawfern8240]

Having already congratulated two other commenters on a job well done, you are now in a three-way tie for winning this comments section.

[@Desirsar]

Overthinking this way too much. If you want to quit, quit. The interview was what people had a problem with, if he just disappeared, people wouldn't give it a second thought.

[@Corvy952]

Bros trying to keep that business relationship alive lol

[@TheRealCeeJai]

0:30 Tank, he's only getting the poser label because he admitted to being one when he said, with no hint of sarcasm or nuance whatsoever, that he was only interested in music from a transactional standpoint. The host gave him chances to take back or clarify that statement and he stuck to it. Anyone claiming Finn is some deep brain, 7d chess-playing supergenius and 'there are layers to what he said, man' is tying to gaslight, plain and simple. Those are probably the same people who thought the ACA and Obamacare were two different things. XD

[@caseyjones3522]

Anyone claiming Finn is some deep brain, 7d chess-playing supergenius and 'there are layers to what he said, man' is tying to gaslight, plain and simple thats really the fucking problem these days. you can look no further than American politics.

[@blitzofchaosgaming6737]

Tank, as far as your edited in addition, tell me how many reaction youtubers are making reactions about bands they personally know? You know some of them, but you still give opinions on people you don't know any farther than their character on screen. We as audience members have the right to be offended by someone who called us idiots. Even if we don't know them beyond the content they have made.

[@mwheeler138]

I didn't watch the interview, but here is my 23 minute video on the subject. Wtf is this, Tim Pool's channel?

[@Alfredo78666]

So, you're pretty much talking about something you don't know. Is this a meta-tribute to Fake McKinnty?

[@matthewmorin7016]

Tank, I think you missed the overall point on why some people would be upset. People who are financially supporting content creators are supporting a person they think they have a connection too. If all of a sudden, that person says they "didn't care" about the thing you thought you had a connection with, you would feel like you were lied too. People are not supporting content creators just because they like the content. They are supporting because they think they have a connection with the person making the content they like.

[@Eternal420ninja]

Finns right because those kind of ppl are smooth brained as he was very open about how much he hated the main channel content, how much he hated that the main point of his channel was lost years ago because no one cared until he started talking about nu metal, and said those things all the time in the second channel videos.

[@filipeventura2729]

Its not that he only did it for the money, its how fake he showed himself as and how much he appeared to look down on the people who gave him the ability to "retire" by watching his videos for years. Id like to think most of the music creators i choose to support are at least similar to how they present themselves, especially opinion based channels like yours. If I think your a jerk i wont wanna consume or support your content, thats it Tank.

[@TheOtherCaleb]

I cannot agree with you here bro lol.

[@noleosis]

Tank, man, this really feels kind of contrarian just for the sake of it. Please don't become like Finn. He basically said "haha you're all dumb and I tricked you and I don't give a shit about this thing you all love". If he would have gotten on there and said "I'm tired of talking about the same old shit and am just done with it" I think people would have been more understanding. His "I'm better than all of you" take on it is why people are so upset about it. I'm shocked that you as a music lover wouldn't be offended by explanation.

[@dudeguyme1]

I think @TankTheTech is the exact same

[@joshsquatch7474]

I think his attitude is the biggest problem, he was so condescending and couldn't seem to separate facts from his opinion

[@petethorley5998]

100% I always felt his content was well researched. And to a degree, well presented. However at the end of the day. Once you got passed his "facts" his content was predominantly opinionated bulls**t. He made half assed videos and abused his fan base.

[@sethputnamsghost]

It was super immature.

[@SteveMcbrain]

Especially after finding out he doesn't care about it

[@KlansofclashCoc5]

Tank this video really just made you look bad, I don’t mind if you back him but it’s the fact that it seems like you didn’t even watch the interview. You’re sugarcoating this situation like crazy.

[@lmaobringer]

go cry 🤷

[@CreativeMindsAudio]

being there for most of the segment of his stream. I agree with this.

He said he didnt watch it

@@lmaobringer find your mom in a ditch

[@PsychedelicRodeo]

He ran away because he couldn’t handle the criticism in the comment sections and the hate he was getting on Reddit. He’s just trying to piss people off because he’s butt hurt. Don’t forget about while in his 30s he started grooming his teenage wife. Scumbag

[@danielmartinez1932]

Another criticism towards Finn has been him pretty much admitting that many of his recent vids are him regurgitating Wikipedia articles. I very much believe his audience has a right to criticise the quality of his content along with all other creators. We're getting sick of the slop.

[@xyst_222]

I love how you go around the subject without addressing the real stuff

[@MatthewDouglas805]

I'm a content creator on a different account and I also have a background in brand marketing. I understand being burned out and not wanting the negativity of YT in your life. That being said, Finn spent YEARS building a brand that, in part, was attached to his actual name. What is strange is not that he quit (I think everyone would understand being burned out), but that he decided to burn down everything behind him. His name is attached to all of that and it really, really hurt his brand and credibility. If he wants to come back at some point, needs a plan B, has a potential client in the know... all of this is hard to come back from. He probably thought it was a way to keep himself from returning to the YT well, but there is going to be collateral damage in his other ventures and all of that could have been easily avoided.

[@katdee224]

Dude was in his 30s chatting up a 17 year old online.... but it's totally cool because they're married with a kid now 🧐🧐🧐

[@caseyjones3522]

i mean.. have you seen our politicians?

[@F1Fanatic76]

I completely agree that that is NOT ok and it should have never happened, but what can be done about it now? It was a long time ago so can we do anything about that? If this was currently going on, absolutely go after him. Now. But there really isn't much that can be done. She's obviously not going to press charges and I'm not sure anything can be proven after all these years.

[@anthonygrant9048]

I think you are part of the problem if you are defending someone who says musicians are a lost cause. This video is really just you saying you agree with that. You being unable to call him out on the objectively degrading things he said is proof. He behaves like a piece of shit and you defend that. Also, people commenting on his and your channel telling you you're meat riding him have less to do with boosting the algorithm and more to do with making the point that you are in the wrong. Js

[@nashvegasmgt]

💯

[@TankTheTech]

Because he never said “all musicians are a lost cause”. In the context of that topic, he was talking about rock/metal musicians not having any business sense and only caring about ticket sales and nothing else. and for the people upset that he called all of his viewers “smooth brained”? Well, he didn’t. Again, context. He was clearly talking about people that go out of their way looking for negativity on the internet. People really are only hearing what they want to from this podcast and it’s wild.

[@TarantinosNightmare]

@@TankTheTech ...right, so EVERYONE misunderstood the context. Look at your comments, man.

[@joshsquatch7474]

​@@TankTheTech take the L man holy shit lmao

[@TJK_Audio]

Authenticity is the currency of social media. Many people would have likely scrolled on if they knew he didn’t have an interest in music. That’s where I can understand how people feel duped. I watched a lot of his stuff and it was fine - he could have handled announcing it a lot better, though. It’s a different subject, but Adam Ragusea is did a much better job at quietly stepping away from content creation after meeting his financial goals.

[@vanmantalksMetal]

I think there is a big difference between being in a band and not enjoying playing the old stuff and being in a band and actively having no interest in music. Which would be the band equivalent to Finn

[@nickshades6727]

Dudes a straight Finn glazer

[@Dr_Zeus_official]

If you said everything he said to his audience, everyone would think you suck.

[@CA-qs5iu]

Terrible take… Didn’t expect that from Tank… hmmm…

[@Playprogamers]

If you're only doing this for the money, which, it is a fact that you are in that 99%, why should we subscribe?

[@scottybrowndotca]

Describing Finn as so smart, but then watching him diss people because they are musicians and ‘insufferable’ makes me think our definitions of smart are rather different .. I’m not enraged, I think it’s the same level of dumb as a hockey player saying “I’m only here for the money .. these fans are so fucking needy” .. dumb

[@Ghoulstille]

If you didn't even watch the interview why are you making a comment video? Oh right! you have an ad quota from Nord so you needed something to yack about even though you never watched the full interview. WOW now that's professional.

[@xdrezcorex]

the first year has good content. all of his old metalsucks articles were hilarious and stuffyouwillhate was great between 2009-2012; then around 2013, he began to attack and belittle others in the comments. it was brutal, his cronies would chime in as well. i don't know the reasons behind the 'hate' he receives now; his bullying and pompousness was the cause 10 years ago.

[@smoketears6874]

Not really surprised these two are friends. Same weird vibe. Definitely not someone you want in the green room

[@TankTheTech]

So then why are you subscribed to my channel?

[@Tjhx1138]

These KZbinrs have gotten weird . It’s gone to their heads .

[@caseyjones3522]

@@TankTheTech bc a corporation created an algo that is bloodsucking and youre on my feed.

[@feroxk.9266]

@@Tjhx1138 the people watching them are even worse. They need to get off the internet alot more and care about real things around them. Maybe leave their cellphones behind for a while and get away form social media. But they cant. addicts like consuming meth.

[@CMO1061]

@@Tjhx1138 it’s bizarre

[@Azvikingdesigns]

Dude as a fan of fins, this feels like a slap in the face, not the whole i only did it for the money, thats fine idc but the i dont care about music kinda hurts

[@nikkireviews]

I'm disappointed to see you defending someone who says musicians are just a lost cause.. It's fine if he only did it for the money I suppose, I get what you're saying that it was his "job"..but I just think it's shady to build a whole community of people to talk about things that you couldn't care less about and act like you do. Once you said you know him, it was obvious you were gonna stick up for him vs. say, the "lost cause musicians" he was criticizing. Unfortunate.👎🏻

[@feefawfern8240]

👍to your comment, agreement with your 👎

[@ThisIsGers]

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[@prmedia4446]

It isn’t about him making money. He literally insulted his audience, musicians, and said he had no interest in music and was just taking advantage of people who did. For a so called great marketer, that podcast interview was AWFUL marketing. This video is a big L.

[@WickedMTG]

"I did it for the money". Greed becomes a sickness. That's basically what is wrong with our Country. It makes people lie, abuse other people, manipulate, kill, and just about any other morally reprehensible act. I appreciate his honesty when he finally shows his true face, but it doesn't make up for the entirety of all of his lies. But I've seen this my whole life. I saw my entire family torn apart because of greed, I saw friendships dissolve because of money. Just look at the corruption and imbalances between the poor, the struggling to keep up middle class, the rich, and the ultra rich. Look at all the maneuvering going on in politics by the ultra rich. Finn is a great example of what fills me with hate and sadness.

[@caseyjones3522]

preach

[@Ericthered21]

People mad because he made them feel stupid for following him.

[@Einhornsunicorns]

Would never wish bad things for himself or his family. He’s always come off as a pompous douche so it doesn’t surprise me

[@Richtigash]

How can you have an informed opinion if you didn’t even watch the full interview?

[@delix787]

He said he had Finn’s phone number and talked to him in private. Watch the video next time. You and Bald guy!

[@martincronje1990]

Don't agree with you on this one Tank. I don't think you had all the information when you made this video or let your person connection with him cloud your judgement

[@maki1a]

Finn belittled listeners who disagreed with him. I am fine disagreeing, however he did talk down to people. Did appreciate the analogy of band's playing their old material live that they hate now. That's a real thing. And absolutely, most everyone has worked jobs they didn't like, to pay their bills.

[@BillyDHughesDrums]

He was 1 step removed from an ai music review chanel. Wont be missed

[@stevenbanks1548]

I think it was a Slipknot video he did or something that made me think "this guy has no fucking idea what he's talking about" and I just told KZbin not to recommend him again.

[@gargaj]

I feel like it's a mix of what he says (i.e. not being a fan of the material in the first place) coupled with severe burnout that makes you want to burn bridges just to get away from it.

[@JA-ut8fi]

Well he’s just like us, we only genuinely like a few bands. And the rest is just us trying to be charitable and supportive.

[@solarwinds9363]

Yeah, that's what I thought of it too. It's no secret that in his own videos or interviews in the past he's vented his frustration about how some of his videos on bands he didn't care about got the most views and he hated it. Good for him he reached his monetary goal and can focus on his real passion now. The same happened at my work, I had 3 people on my team retire in their late 30ies or early 40ies because they got their hands on certain stock early before they sky rocketed. One of them even wrote a blog about all of his choices he made to become a multi millionaire so the rest of us could learn from it. Honestly, Good for them! Good for Finn... He doesn't owe us anything. I'm just happy now why he never brought up Fear Factory in some of his videos... I always thought he had something personal against him, now I know he just hadn't found their Wikipedia page, lol. 😂

[@saysthemanbehindthemask]

I agree on some stuff you've said BUT I think you're missing a very important point. I don't think the main issue here is that he said "I did it for money"... this is the point you're focused on for the better part of the video. I think the bigger part is that he could've done the interview and his departure from the platform let's say a little more gracefully. Like post a video saying "I am done, I'm fed up, I am tired, burned out or I reached my financial goals." Here's the important part he should have done (imo) "Thank you for watching for so many years, helping me pay my bills and investing your personal time to help me reach my financial goals. I am done, thank you, goodbye". We got none of that... so the ungrateful part is absolutely true. Now he's a grown man and he did what he did but he decided to burn bridges completely... which I don't think is EVER a good idea. It's a small world. He seemed extremely bitter and offended in that interview. But does he truly believe that he got all those views because everyone hates him? I don't think so but he made it seem that way. He focused on the wrong aspect of his presence on YT. If he thought that only the negative feedback was important that's on him and it tells a lot about his personality. And his comment "I never cared about music". Is most likely untrue... he just wanted to brush it off as if nothing he talked about really mattered to him... but I guarantee it did. He also wanted it to sting for those who supported and watched him. This situation just highlights a very common problem on YT. People that care less about what they do and talk about on here and focus more on metrics are usually more successful. It's not completely wrong... by all means focus on monetising the time you invest. You don't even have to be super passionate about what you do but just have some respect for the people that helped you make the bag. Because at the end of the day content without a viewer is nothing. I think your personal stance is very defensive and subjective because you know him personally. But I think being more objective and trying to understand the issue from different perspectives would have been more beneficial instead of completely siding with your buddy. You're completely brushing off any wrong doing on Finn's behalf. Very contrarian stand point you have. No matter what is said the audience in your opinion just likes to be pissed, outraged and hateful. People didn't watch him just because we hated him. I for one enjoyed a lot of his content even if I didn't agree with everything he said... it's normal to disagree. This is how adults deal with differences... Finn however did not behave like an adult at the end of the day. Very immature and childish behaviour at the end of the day on Finn's part. Maybe he wanted to ruffle the feathers one last time but I don't quite understand to what benefit... to burn bridges? Like I said I don't think it's ever a good idea.

[@AmazonCrime]

You do videos you don't want to do? Why would I watch your channel in the first place?

[@Realmattbunting]

I would watch the interview first before commentating on it. It’s not about the money which is your main point here. He was beyond condescending. He not only put down bands in general but the everyday people who have watched him over the years. Defending that type of behavior is a bad look.

[@chenstormstout9456]

21:06 Tank man, there’s a difference between choosing and settling. People settle for shitty jobs like retail or fast food, because it’s the only thing they can get. KZbin isn’t like that. Nobody wakes up and says “Oh well, guess I’ll be a stupid KZbinr for a few years.” No, that is 100% a choice. KZbin doesn’t “hire” any of you, they just decide to start giving you money at some point after basically do a bunch of work for free. You have to want to be here.

[@dynamicphotography_]

Wow!!! ➡️ 12:46 I am that 1% guy that you mentioned! Been doing it for 4 years! Just a hobby. Small channel. Will never monetize or include products. And I refuse to alter my content to chase the algo. My past life has me set, so I'm in chill mode. * I Enjoy your videos by the way. 👍 Here's another boost!

[@jerrywemhoff]

I don't get how you can defend someone like Finn who is very much the 'pull yourself up by your bootstraps' libertarian when you HATE that mentality.

[@Octavian2]

You completely missed the point guy.