Tax champions: how much do the French really pay?

[@MW-vg9dn]

A lot. France is a country that's doing all what it can to restrict its residents and force them to become good obedient little cogs in a system. It starts with the 3 payslips and a CDI being required everywhere, and ends with a heavily punitive taxation for those who try to escape their predetermined place in the society. If you're planning to start a business in France, even just an EIRL, be prepared to say goodbye to 50% or more of your revenue. What's the point of being a freelancer in France when you end up with less than a lazy Joe employee who never attempts to achieve anything on his own? All smart young French people that I know escaped for the UK and America as soon as they could.

[@JJerry-mh1mp]

I wonder if your if you're French as well as I am. I haven't payed taxes in France so i can't relate though i will soon and i'm looking at the max tax rate of 45% from what i've checked which is making me not want to go back (i live in the USA) but at the same time the US scares me with all their lack of public service and i m caught in the middle..

[@MW-vg9dn]

@@JJerry-mh1mp No I'm a foreigner who got lured into France with a prospect of a well paid job not knowing what am I getting into. When I later on tried to start my own business I encountered one restriction after another, one tax over another tax, one dismissive attitude after another. The state and the society does not wish you a success, they almost spitefully even make it harder for you. So eventually it clicked to me and I did what my most talented French colleagues did years ago and left France as well. On a way out my real estate agency stole my deposit laughing in my face, and my old employer lied to me for weeks unwilling to pay my last salary. Just wow.

[@nonmagicmike723]

@@JJerry-mh1mp Besides roads, police, public schools, and basic environmental regulation, you don't really need much public services. The point of lower taxes is for you to be free and choose whichever private provider gives you the best services for your buck. And private-sector services tend to be less costly and of higher quality than government.

[@gerardgmz]

"There's only one way to kill capitalism - by taxes, taxes, and more taxes." - Karl Marx

[@gangasinghrathore4709]

IF French won't ay tax who will pay for the social welfare of African's and People from Middle East

[@JJerry-mh1mp]

true that i mean they arrive with their huge families and immediately get an apartment .. my mom had no help what so ever being french and a single mother .. clearly the FR government favors outsiders

[@SuperFactsonly]

The French stole enough from Africa and the middle east. They'll be alright Singh.

[@Rick_Cleland]

Hooray!! Finally Flo is back.

[@hugosilva7887]

Taxes are high in France so they can pay for all those unemployed people that don't want to work because they get unemployment checks.

[@indeseo1]

How many Billions do the French pay for interest servicing the public debt ? Why the ECB that belongs to the people of the EU lends to the Banks with very low interest , and they in turn lend with a hefty profit to the people and businesses ?

[@sherifkarnak]

Wow what a question never thought of this. You are absolutely right if there were not any commercial banks and we had only government owned banks that directly gave loans to the public with 0.5 % interest rate.

[@twostepz4982]

You know what’s funny? The wealth tax is coming to my Seattle, WA today! It’s quite a frustrating thing because the government in my city is a social experiment and not the law!

[@alexwonner7469]

Belgium pays even MORE...

[@iFreeThink]

So many papers for State/federal/property/vice taxes.

[@rogerdiogo6893]

Taxes in France, make me remember pancakes, in America, they are stack high, on top of each other...

[@eleonorelemonnier9277]

I am French, I live in France I do pays taxes and as Agnès B, I strongly support our system based on redistribution as the journalist mentions in this show. We benefit from rather good and efficient public services thus we have to fund them.

[@eleonorelemonnier9277]

I do pay taxes, not I do pays.

[@nonmagicmike723]

You're being ripped-off. But a lot of you seem to like it (otherwise you'd vote for lower taxes), so that's cool with me.

[@eleonorelemonnier9277]

@@nonmagicmike723 No, we are not being ripped-off, there are many millionairs even billionairs here. And I would much rather live in a country with social laws thus with redistribution of wealth than in a country like the US where students have to go into debts for years to go to university. In France if you want to go to university it would cost you 200 to 300 € per year in fees. Hospital for refugees is free. Kindergarten is free. Primary schools and high school are free. Just to name a few.

[@nonmagicmike723]

@@eleonorelemonnier9277 Please, many of those college students ARE the future millionaires. Lawyers, doctors of all kinds, engineers, financeers, and most professionals easily accumulate millions throughout their careers. You're basically subsidizing privileged kids. As to those stupid people who throw in thousands of dollars on philosophy and gender studies, well, stupidity has a cost. They should do that through community college, or study these things on their own. "Wow, I should go to an elite university to study history!" Get outta here! And "redistribution", give me a break. Listen to the journalist again, she says half the tax revenue comes from the value-added tax, which adds about 20% to the price of everything you buy. The value-added tax is roughly a FLAT TAX. Meaning, about half the taxation in France is flat! Not really redistributive. So yes, the rich pay high taxes in France. But you know who else pays high taxes? EVERYONE ELSE! Everyone who's productive, that is. In contrast, US taxation is more progressive, because income taxes constitute most of the overall tax revenue. So our rich pay lower taxes, but everyone else pays even lower, especially those in the lower middle classes. A household of marrieds with children filing jointly and making $40K a year hardly pay any taxes to the federal government, and in some cases get tax refunds if they have enough children. And the reason I say you're being ripped off because a lot of that public money gets sucked off by overpaid public unions holding the people hostage through threats of strikes and rioting, and by superfluous government employees. Anything done publicly costs more than private services, and is usually of lower quality. If the French truly wanted redistribution while keeping their freedoms, they would demand a repeal of the VAT, lower income taxes on middle- and lower-earners, and an added tax bracket on those making millions. Along with maybe a moderate UBI financed by those upper brackets.

[@BWV478]

@@eleonorelemonnier9277 What's the point in paying 200€/year for university when you pay tens of thousands of taxes per year? Rich people pay way more for public services than what they benefit from them.

[@Semtex777]

Tax the rich !

[@Gnashercide]

Why ? Reduce taxes for Evryone

[@nonmagicmike723]

Commies