Tax dollars paid for this failing Mormon school in Arizona!

[@dany_fg]

"0% proficient in math? that's almost half of them!" - students

[@user-wi9hv2pb2q]

😂

[@OwenLeBlanc-l7h]

It's weird that a certain portions of the American political class appears to be entirely in favour of scams.

Yep. Basically anyone with a net worth over $2m USD.

[@josephaltman460]

RepubliKKKon 101

[@goodun2974]

"Show me a great fortune and I'll show you a crime". F Scott Fitzgerald

[@jenna2431]

Any school receiving taxpayer money should have to hold to state oversight and standards. That's responsible fiduciary behavior. Chrizbianz and their endless grifting..... 🙄

[@KM-pm6qe]

If the parents don’t provide a competent education, that’s child neglect.

[@georgesheffield1580]

Even as low as standard as that is ,yes .

[@capt.bart.roberts4975]

As I told my great nieces and nephews recently, we adults may look like we know what we're doing, but really we're all just tapdancing on the edge.

[@johnhiggs325]

It’s all a shell game… the economy, government, religions… ALL of it! This is late stage capitalism.

[@alishahughes5907]

This happened in my county in TN. And when the kids had to come back to the public school mid year, the school asked the state if they would be receiving any money for the kids .The state said no we already gave it to the voucher school, and also you have to take the kids back. It's crazy

It's like the government giving money to an unqualified mechanic who breaks a poor person's car and then the state ordering a qualified mechanic to fix someone else's botched work for free.

[@daemonsdiablo]

I grew up in a school science class that used books from Bob Jones Press. The same ones we now share as memes in atheist groups that say things like “no one knows where the moon came from. God just placed it there.” There is no reason that should be allowed to be called “education.”

[@capt.bart.roberts4975]

I ask far too many questions, to ever be a belieiver. The final straw for me was my head teacher telling me that Thomas wanting evidence of Christ's "risenness" was the wrong thing to do. We all know what a bunch guys are likely to do with that opportunity.

[@daemonsdiablo]

@ that’s why I left the church. I studied the Bible too much to keep believing such blatant nonsense.

[@stylesrj]

@@capt.bart.roberts4975 I never asked questions... I just read the Bible like it was any other storybook I had read at the time I was a kid. I still regret not asking the Scripture teachers "So where did Cain find a wife?" :D

[@dominicfucinari1942]

Bob Jones of South Carolina has done much more damage to the world than Bobby Wayne Jones, a fugitive busted as America's Most Wanted capture #469.

[@JadusMoltriel]

The fact so many people believe everyone derived from the same two humans within 6-8 thousand years, is objectively insane and detached from reality. That being said, if it WAS true, it would certainly explain a lot. It's mind-boggling that practically the entire right side of the political spectrum, worldwide, is represented by people who have the intellect and awareness of direct inbreds.

[@Marc010]

This will get exponentially worse if Drump guts the department of education

[@alphabravo8703]

yup

We're already at that point compared to standards in the 60's.

[@dominicfucinari1942]

I don't trust that he won't find a way to make it worse than Betsy DeVos did with it.

[@ChristopherJackson-n7t]

The Mormon church was worth between 220 and 600 billion last time I checked

[@scottyoung1489]

Biggest land owners in Florida.

[@KM-pm6qe]

I wonder where Scientology comes in.

[@skippykaufman4436]

⁠​⁠@@KM-pm6qeTax-exempt new religion. They’re putting on new makeup & shiny new duds for a big push for new youthful “churchgoers” in 2025.

[@AprilFriday-de6vm]

I wouldn’t actually be surprised if it was more. The Mormon church doesn’t sponsor schools officially and probably never will, because they hoard money instead of spending anything on humans. They build temples and upgrade chapels. Very little else. Members have to pay 10% of their net income, clergy are “called” to work for free and members clean the buildings even. They collect donations for hunger-related charities from members, but these offerings are on top of the 10%.

​@@KM-pm6qe Only a few billion but much crazier and more pr3dat0ry. It's kind of funny but, just last year, they opened as "store" right across from UT in Austin. They had one in Silicon Valley in Mountain View downtown, but I never saw a single person ever walk in there... because I guess software engineers aren't _that_ dumb.

[@jennifergauthier4751]

Im only 38 seconds into this video and im already mad. No, extremely pissed. Im a resident of Arizona. Tom Horne, our Department of Education head, is a cartoonish example of someone who really SHOULD NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING. He is as bad as Joe Arpaio. The voucher system is a joke, refunding expenses such as "ATV's for outdoor education." Religious and Charter schools have next to no oversight on standards, testing, attendance. 😡😡😡

[@KM-pm6qe]

Wow, that is so much worse than I already thought.

[@SnowMouse1]

I spent 2 years of high school waking up early to read the Book of Mormon front to back, and I can confidently say it is very racist. It also makes God out to be a sadist but that's a big topic to unpack.

[@alphabravo8703]

Matt Dilihunty explained how to get one for free. The first paragraph had my eyes rolling back in my head.

[@dominicfucinari1942]

If Joseph Smith or any of his "apostles" were allied with the Confederates, they *need* to be taken out of power in Utah's state-level politics yesterday!

[@goodun2974]

I think Man designed "gawd" in his own image, so why wouldn't "gawd" be written as a sadist?

[@TheCiroth]

I was effectivly unschooled by my mother in Washington State in the 90s. Homeschooling isn't helpful to the children, it's mostly use in an attempt to indoctronate them into religion. I'm an Athist now partly because of it.

[@fmadiva]

I get what you're saying but I wouldn't say most homeschooling is about that. Homeschooling is often times useful if your kid has disabilities or is neurodivergent. Not to mention public school sometimes fails, especially in poor black and brown neighborhoods with no funding. Some black and brown folks choose to homeschool because of that and how whitewashed our education system is sometimes. Homeschooling gets a bad rep but it's ultimately is up to rather the parents are qualified and there are plenty of qualified parents who care about holistic education. Unschooling is completely different 😬

[@TheCiroth]

@@fmadiva As a nurospicy person, homeschooling was the worst thing for me. I have Graduate Degress now. I think the government should force checking in with parents and students to make sure they are actually learning.

[@gurun8071]

​@@TheCirothi mean, most places do have that. The only issue is it differs by state

[@TheCiroth]

@@gurun8071 Arizona doesn't, nor does Washington State. One applies to the video, and the other is my personal experience. I am not sure what your point is with any of this is since you're dismissing what was said in the video and my personal experience with the systems.

[@gurun8071]

@@TheCiroth ...and my state does and i was in the system, the point is the issue isnt homeschooling itself, and your personal experience isnt worth anything when it comes to policy discussions. Thats called an anecdote. It makes no sense to completely erase a system that has worked before, rather it makes more sense to actually regulate it properly

[@warrencolegrove1]

Thank you for all your work on this channel. It’s something I think everyone needs to watch and be aware of.

[@foppishdilletaunt9911]

You are correct, sir !

[@iloveyoumadhuri]

So much for the first amendment stating verbatim that “Congress shall make the law establishing the respect of a religion.”

[@meatharbor]

It's actually, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion."

[@PokemonRules333]

Welcome to Christianity in the us

[@PityTheHateful]

It's definitely a faith-based school. You have to put your belief in your child actually getting an education without logic or evidence. In the meantime, someone gets wealthy for keeping others in ignorance.

The word "blind" is missing.

[@janusatthegate6201]

All teachers in every state or area being hit with theocracy should strike and send strong spokespersons to DC. Make them be lawful, be accountable.

[@elisam.r.9960]

I wasn't expecting to feel bad for property managers today, but here we are.

[@scottyoung1489]

Madrasas, Yeshivas & other fairytale based education will love Arizona’s loopholes.

[@user-wi9hv2pb2q]

they already do

[@Faeriethorn]

Oh the Goldwater Foundation. Thank you for all you do. Many of our family attend religious schools or out-there homeschooling. A good public school system is so important.

[@foppishdilletaunt9911]

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them.” Barry Goldwater

[@napalmholocaust9093]

Hmmm... 🤔 all I need is a truck bed full of day labor and a rented storage unit to start a school getting 7 grand a head? Let's do some math... 15 bucks an hour for a "teacher" for 7 hours a day @ 180 days = 18,900. Give them 30 students, 7k × 30 = 210,000. 210k - 19k (18.9 really) = 191,000. Rent is tricky and varies wildly. Still 191k per classroom minus rent and utilities is crazy. How much are bookshelves and tables? Not much. If you just have one book, you'll save all kinds of cash. Where do I sign? Only difference will be the books, I'd have a mountain in every subject and demand a ton of book reports to burn time. Libraries throw them out by the dumpster load these days. Won't be a complete waste on botb accounts.

[@meatharbor]

Make parents purchase their own kids' books and write the books off as an expense on your taxes anyway.

[@alphabravo8703]

I was at a book sale in a local library. I bought a tote bag for $5. I had it pretty full, but didn't want to seem the book hog, so I was leaving. The librarian practically pleaded with me to take more.

[@tonytango6676]

At the very least all those schools must follow the public curriculum and face annual tests, the same as the public schools. And the students pass or fail, according to those tests.

[@davidellis4084]

Legally, no, they have no need to do so. That is the big problem. PARENTS should be asking about this before sending their children to these schools, though.

[@alphabravo8703]

A body would think that's what is happening everywhere, as obvious as it seems. They'll never go for it.

[@omarvasquez6851]

I wish parents loved their children more than they love their invisible friend.

[@user-wi9hv2pb2q]

The invisible friend is the most flattering projection of themselves. No matter how strict the 'religion' is it always supports and makes exceptions for its high priests transgressions. People can't turn their back on 'gods' because it is a projection of their own ego. That's why they can crawl on the ground and humiliate themselves, or worse, commit atrocities, because their sense of self is safely enshrined and publicly supported.

[@janusatthegate6201]

Public school will not be great until Congresses prioritize it. Take and implement advice from higher education experts. Make children, youth, and complete education a priority. Tell fascists and theocracy to pound sand.

[@kimk2635]

I moved to Arizona in 2010 & my kids instantly advanced two grades because their schools are so far behind were they should be. I moved my kids back to Washington State for their education a year later.

[@funnyvalentine7607]

If my tax paider dollars are going to this then I want these churches taxed

[@whyamihereweirdo9912]

They are doing the same thing here in Utah. I’m just sitting back and watching as public schools are being closed and parents and teachers cry.. I didn’t vote for this.. 🤦🏼‍♀️ at least my kids are adults. By the way, if you’re wondering Arizona is THE WORST state in the country for education. Not sure where Utah is, I’m pretty sure they are close to Arizona. Hopefully that will help in understanding Crazy..No Education!! It’s Soo Sad..

[@johnrobinson9684]

Worst then Mississippi and Alabama?

[@whyamihereweirdo9912]

@ Yes.. Arizona is #50 Officially in the country for education.. I wouldn’t Believe it myself.. But sadly it is.

[@whyamihereweirdo9912]

Sorry, I just checked and New Mexico is the worst Arizona is two states above that so number three in the worst I hope that helps.

[@alphabravo8703]

I think Arkansas and Oklahoma are up there. ... or is it down?

[@ConsciencepartyUSA]

Man, if they don’t have background checks of their new employees, they are less likely to find out that they may be child molesters then, right? How is that a way of showing people that they actually care about kids and their future?

[@FreeThinker2613]

I appreciate your work. You are the reason I am an atheist.

[@PacesIII]

One more thing government does better.

[@user-wi9hv2pb2q]

like universal healthcare

[@virginiamoss7045]

And we wonder why young people can't answer basic questions about American life like, "Name a continent" or "Who is our current president of the United States?"

[@thomassmith7020]

These parents don’t seem to understand that just like how private companies are allowed to sell junk products as long as they don’t false advertise, that private schools are also allowed to do this. And it would be very difficult to falsely advertise about school since all you have to do is teach SOMETHING (like how to do a poor business in this case).

[@capt.bart.roberts4975]

This is what's known to as unintended consequences.

[@user-wi9hv2pb2q]

this is hilarious actually.

[@capt.bart.roberts4975]

"Title of Liberty Academy" , Mormons are very, very weird. I remember trying to by a drink there back in the eighties.

[@janusatthegate6201]

Sad that they don't want their kids educated and ready for the world.

[@PokemonRules333]

They want obedient slaves not people that can think for themselves

[@brentgreenhalgh5637]

Well, anyone who sends their kid to the school deserves what they get. I feel bad for the kid though.

[@ericmoyer8538]

How do you do this commentary without cussing is beyond

Extra creative vocabulary without colorful language... or has children and habits commensurate with that role.

[@meatharbor]

In her defense, she _did_ inconvenience a landlord, which I will always support.

[@foppishdilletaunt9911]

This Mistress Of Pedagogy is really Mormon *based* .

[@GaryNac]

It's kind of funny yet not funny how people are willing to basically throw money into a hole and invest into something which is failing miserably just because it's being presented as religious.

[@FSMDog]

Home and religious schools need to stop

[@veronicavarela2041]

Unbelievable!

[@PacesIII]

If there are no standards there will be no standards.

[@MindEyeMediaVR]

Maybe the sequel to Heretic should involve this school, with Hugh Grant's character setting up a voucher system for tax breaks. 🙂

[@davidellis4084]

Ohio is even worse. 😞 MUCH worse!

[@18471902]

Given the expense of private schools and the fact that most parents want their children to receive the best education possible, I would think that private schools are self-vetting in that parents will check their credentials before sending their children to them. Probably the reason Title of Liberty closed so quickly after becoming private was that it offered such poor quality education that it could not generate enough "business" to stay afloat. I received my education in a public school. In retrospect, the education I received there was extremely poor. A University education pretty much made up for it. The main problem with public education is the smothering politics that are involved--which are largely absent in private schools--and the fact that public education lumps bright, energetic students with the dull-witted, unmotivated students, and everything in between, and it caters to the lowest class so as to "keep everyone moving along." This has an effect on the quality of the teachers also in that, to a large extent, only people who are lacking in motivation to teach will work in pubic schools. This was my experience in that most of the teachers gave us busy-work to do rather than genuinely attempting to teach anything. I was in mid-level management for my career and am now retired. I lived and worked in a medium size city that had several private schools--some religious affiliated and some not. Hands down, the performance of the employees who graduated from the private schools were superior in intelligence, education, and, most of all, motivation, to those who graduated from the public schools. I do agree that people who attend private schools tend to be associated with others of their own background and "social class"; whereas those who attend public schools have more interaction with people of a variety of viewpoints, cultures, and religions.

[@AirbornChaos]

As soon as you said "Mesa, Arizona," I knew this was a Mormon school. Just because the school doesn't appear on the cult's books, doesn't mean Arches wasn't always a cult indoctrination center from day one, and the same goes for Title of Liberty.

All that's missing is a bee-related theme.

[@LuckyOtter_WorldBuilding]

a school in a strip mall... dystopian shit

[@daniiiakasha4711]

I needed so much help in public school, and I never got it. It’s hard for me to sympathize. Poor ableist teachers.

[@A3Kr0n]

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[@johnsanders561]

The Mormon church is a business and should be regulated and taxed as one.

[@3goldfinger]

Private schools get a lot of taxpayers money here in Australia.

[@AprilFriday-de6vm]

Ugh. Unfortunately Idaho is potentially establishing vouchers, which is tragic given how low the funding already is. And we still have to provide speech therapy to private school students through the public school district, which I anticipate will be very hard when the numbers expand.

[@tiapina7048]

Arizona needs to change few laws ...

[@MaeljinRajah]

This is f****** wonderful. We're allowing people to LARP education. cuz that's all your theology degree is. It's a degree in f****** LARPing😂

[@ianbabineau5340]

I feel bad for the buffet. Can you imagine how much business they would get on lunch break each school day???

[@lovelydeath04]

Why are private institutions getting tax dollars to improve their exclusive services?! And of course, not pay taxes themselves?! Tf?!

[@hma237]

So it was NOT that she realized it didn't work; the landlord shut it down. So she doesn't even get that small credit.

[@colorbugoriginals4457]

The thought of taxes funding a school that would mistreat queer youths is disgusting.

[@AZbluedot196]

The voucher program was on the ballot a few years ago, we voted it down. So Doug Doucey and the state pushed it thru anyway!!!

[@ECG3485]

Just one word to describe this madness: IDIOCRACY

[@nitajean9885]

why does school budget just get to over-run it's funding when other social budgets are limited?

[@deborahabc4117]

Fortunately she failed because of funding.

[@nachoisone]

I wonder, did the families of children attending the school get a discount at the Chinese buffet?

[@michaelmcclure4944]

If Governor Abbott has his way, Texas will be going down the same voucher rabbit hole as several other states. It will be similar to Arizona. Families already sending their kids to private schools or homeschooling them will get most of the voucher money (free money for them). There are a few good private schools but they are quite expensive (way more than the vouchers will pay for) and have rigorous entrance requirements. So, poorer students wishing to go to a private school will have to choose from the lower echelon of available private schools that likely provide a substandard education and have no accountability. Abbott is receiving millions of dollars to his campaign fund from billionaires who are pushing vouchers. Texas has a limit on the number of public charter schools that they will approve. But, there are quite a few charter schools that open up at multiple locations operating under the same charter. But, at least these charter schools have some accountability from the state although they can hang on for years with financial improprieties and/or poor educational outcomes before being shut down or sanctioned.

[@charlesmorschauser5258]

Busting teachers unions is a big part of republican goals

[@hma237]

It's not that homeschooling can't be good; it's that in AZ, there's no legal requirement that a household which claims to be homeschooling actually does homeschool. There: fixed it for you.

[@jonjahr3403]

As a former Mormon, sadly it doesn't surprise me that schools like this that are tied to the lds church. Are sprouting up in places like Utah, Idaho, and Arizona. All of which have heavy concentrations of Mormons. What does surprise me is that i didn't hear about such schools sprouting up until the last few years. It also surprises me that some, known as American Leadership Academy have even started sprouting up as far away as the Carolina's. Heisman Trophy winner and former Green Bay Packers Quarterback Ty Detmer has been tied to one of A.L.A's schools as he is now their head football coach.

[@toddmeyer5461]

Do the parents getting these vouchers pay $7,500 in taxes for school funding? If not, how much of the taxes people pay to a state goes to public schools?

[@georgesheffield1580]

I will not hire a home schooled person .

[@johnhiggs325]

16:05 No bar

[@user-wi9hv2pb2q]

vape shop, nail salon, and massage parlor 😂

[@janusatthegate6201]

Back when my parents were putting us in christain schools, they were always hosted by a church.

[@GaryNac]

I'm guessing that the fact that this person didn't even go through the process of doing what it took to get there "L.D.S" school sanctioned by the L.D.S Church probably would have pissed off at least some L.D.S members.

[@user-wi9hv2pb2q]

It's their Achilles heal, they've maga wako funded the heck out of this country but all their supporters now are vehemently anti establishment. which was cool until they became the establishment.

[@AprilFriday-de6vm]

The LDS church does not sanction schools. They don’t do anything that can get them sued if it can be helped. Whole church is run by business people and lawyers. It’s all about generating and keeping money.

[@bobreid5079]

9:55 religious schooling so bad it has the atheist saying Jesus Christ.

[@lara-ce2kg]

Cant wait to see what happens when Texas schools have to cut funding to their H.S football program.Because that voucher program is diverting all their funding to religious schools 😂😂🚫🏈

[@wylie5525]

Do parents also have to pay 10% tithing on that $7000? Mormon, Inc. didn't get Billions by ignoring a "donation" source.

[@Nick-o-time]

Home schooling and private schools of any nature should be illegal. Kids are not property and they have a right to education.

[@thomaspaine7098]

Went to a private school when I was younger, it fucked up my math skills so bad, I probably would have done much better in school if it wasn’t for that shithole

[@gurun8071]

And both of those are educations. Its dumb as shit to make them blanketly illegal. Public schools are already overburdened, and many are pretty shit in terms of culture and environment and dont get me started on safety. Plus plenty of kids simply cant be in public schooling due to mental issues and require more individual care found in homeschooling. The only argument to be had is the methods used by private and homeschooling, checkes and balancing

[@user-wi9hv2pb2q]

we only care about rights that let wealthy and powerful people and companies exploit them! 😂

[@stylesrj]

I don't think homeschooling should be banned but there should be some greater restrictions on who can do it. Like Karen shouldn't be able to take their kid out of class to homeschool but someone living on a farm or doing a trade might want to teach their kid that sort of thing and needs them on hand? Of course this does get into issues of using children as a workforce (I need my child to stay at home and yearn for the mines!) but ehh... I dunno, I think I did fine with public education here in Australia...

[@SharienGaming]

@@stylesrj down that road feudalism lies sure, dad might want their kid to take over the farm... but thats not his call - and not giving the kid a broad education is deliberately limiting the kids options... its forcing that choice on the kid by taking away most other options PS: but i generally agree - there are absolutely valid situations where homeschooling makes sense or might be necessary (for example for kids with severe auto-immune disorders or forms of neurospicyness that would be constantly overstimulated in a normal school environment) but as you said - when its done, the state has a responsibility to ensure that the education provided in that case is at least meeting the minimum standards for kids finishing a public school

[@georgesheffield1580]

Sounds like something from TEXAS or OKLAHOMA.

[@annagiesking5828]

No, not another Chinese restaurant, it would Mexican or Indian. (or soul food here.)

[@colorbugoriginals4457]

turn it into affordable housing

[@GaryNac]

If you have to change your school to a religious school and privatizing after it started to fail how much do you really care about the religion aspect.

[@KM-pm6qe]

Parents have the right to do what’s best for their kids, but I say they don’t have the right to opt out of paying their share for the social programs, including education, that we democratically (in theory), collectively decide are important to make available to everyone, even if they choose not to use those programs. Lots of people pay tax into the school systems who don’t even have kids. Should they get $7,000 to spend on whatever they think is more beneficial?

[@Avonidsed]

Dude, not sure if I can get behind the dissing of Chinese Buffets. Be better. JK

[@jeffsiegwart]

[@davidellis4084]

I attended a private school from 1969-72. I do not know the exact cost, but I think it was around $1,000 or about $10,000 in today's money. My brother was attending from 1964. My [parents paid 100% of the tuition and local school taxes. I never heard them complain about anything except how bad the local schools were because every 6 months they had to restart the classes because of military family turnover. If my parents could do it, why cannot today's parents? Or why can they not demand excellent public schools and elect politicians who are going to do that?

[@meatharbor]

Stagnant wages, crippling inflation, gutted organized labor movement, etc. etc. On the demanding better schools point, our electoral system is rigged to produce these outcomes. The parties are owned by the donors and the parties choose the candidates. Regardless of who you vote for, their actions are necessarily locked into whatever is "acceptable" within the narrow confines of the interests of capital. Corporate media is then required to adhere to that same "acceptable" range of messaging to maintain advertiser appeal and government access. I'd highly recommend checking out "Manufacturing Consent" by Noam Chomsky for more on this sort of thing.

[@user-wi9hv2pb2q]

Because excellent schools, arts, literature, innovation, medicine etc all flourish with unrestrained thought and opportunity. and unrestrained thought and opportunity doesn't exist in a facist dictatorship or oligarchy. there's a reason most of the classical innovations occurred in the democratic age of ancient Greece, including our founding ideals.

[@meatharbor]

Stagnant wages, crippling inflation, gutted organized labor movement, etc. etc. On the demanding better schools point, our electoral system is rigged to produce these outcomes. The parties are owned by the donors and the parties choose the candidates. Regardless of who you vote for, their actions are necessarily locked into whatever is "acceptable" within the narrow confines of the interests of capital. (Splitting into 2 comments because KZbin.)

[@meatharbor]

(part 2) Corporate media is then required to adhere to that same "acceptable" range of messaging to maintain advertiser appeal and government access. I'd highly recommend checking out "Manufacturing Consent" by Noam Chomsky for more on this sort of thing.

[@meatharbor]

Stagnant wages, crippling inflation, gutted organized labor movement, etc. etc. On the demanding better schools point, our electoral system is rigged to produce these outcomes. The parties are owned by the donors and the parties choose the candidates. (splitting into multiple comments because KZbin)

[@kewakl8891]

Too big to fail?