Taylor Swift's Dominance & Is Rupert Murdoch Finally Losing power? | PODCAST

“It’s Taylors' world we just live in it”
With Celebrity Traitors on the way, Richard takes us through a quick history of celebrity versions of TV shows. Marina gives us the details of Hugh Grant vs. Rupert Murdoch in The Sun's privacy case AND with the release of Taylor Swift's MAMMOTH 31-track album, Marina & Richard look at the mogul's industry dominance.
00:00 - Intro
01:21 - Hugh Grant v Rupert Murdoch
07:25 - Tabloid Culture (Has it changed?)
12:38 - How Powerful is Murdoch NOW?
14:43 - Celebrity Traitors?
15:54 - Why are there so many Celebrity Game Shows?
23:21 - Richard & Marina to join Traitors?
26:06 - What was the first celebrity spin off show?
31:23 - History of 8 out of 10 Cats Countdown
33:30 - Taylor Swifts New Album
37:20 - Taylor’s Unique Marketing
40:00 - Charts dominated by Country
42:26 - Actors announced for Thursday Murder Club
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[@johnkearsey3020]

Celebrity 24 Hours in Police Custody? That's one I would watch!

[@deneanrowe4278]

Pahahaaaaaaaa

[@NinaGray-eq9on]

So up for a special on It's a Royal Knockout from 87. I remember watching as an 11 year old knowing the travesty I was watching.

[@chrisknight2631]

Richard: “if I was Ariana Grande, and who is to say I’m not?” Me: “Mate, you’d be Ariana Venti, surely?”

[@philipwhiuk]

😂

[@adammoore8203]

Underrated comment

[@r3cy]

Just a quick note of appreciation. this channel has been consistantly interesting since day one, and one of a few channels that i look forward to the next release (and will happily use as an excuse to stop working every time i see a new episode). well done so far!

[@markreadsbo]

Pointless celebrities is the most appropriate named show on TV.

[@cybergornstartrooper2157]

Well done for covering the phone hacking scandal. Yet another example of our broken legal system.

[@kellyd152]

It feels like eavesdropping on the greatest conversation ever. long may it continue.

[@andrew66862]

US Jeopardy started special celebrity episodes as early as 1971. Including an appearance by Des O'Connor

[@kevinsoutham]

I love how Richard’s cheeky “oh yeah” after Marina’s unintended double entendre (“everyone has been pulled off tik tok”) went completely over her head 😂

[@chaipup7045]

I miss Sean Lock's humour terribly. Rectum of the year is the funniest sketch.

[@MrRjhyt]

Yup... Set off the sprinklers....

[@richardcook1987]

@@MrRjhyt simp

[@user-qq5oj3gw2e]

@@MrRjhyt ah that pesky diego

[@vaseline69]

@@user-qq5oj3gw2e for me when he did the big fat quiz his bit on the kids from Mitchel brook School never fails to make me laugh

[@A7XfoREVer2705]

Carrot in a box on Cats Does Countdown was one of the best things I've ever seen on TV

[@weeeeems]

By the way, because you had a red border along the bottom of your thumbnail it looked like I'd already watched this video so I almost skipped it! great podcast as always :)

[@OneShotCounts]

Omg you have to do that special, that would be amazing!!! Love to see this passion!

[@suespencer8190]

Just saying Best Podcast going, you two are absolutely brilliant and entertaining, I am never ever bored watching or listening to you

[@lakrids-pibe]

Pierce Brosnan is an excellent choice. I look forward to seeing what he does with it. All three are excellent .

[@Nick_Barre]

Whatever else you do in your stellar portfolio careers, please always do this.

[@boreilly82]

Best new podcast, fo sho!

[@travisolson9413]

People have already mentioned it, but carrot in a box on 8out10 Countdown was brilliant. Sean Lock....................man, I miss seeing that guy.

[@BiffTummyTum]

The 'celebrity' BBC team that Richard mentioned struck a chord. My dad was a Television cameraman, he started at the BBC in the fifties. He was based at Lime Grove for a while in the sixties and used to do popular entertainment programmes like '65 Special'. He always got an 'appearance bonus' when his camera was caught in shot, his payslips list the programme he appeared on and the length of time he was visible.

[@felinetherapy4782]

My mind goes to Nazi Island due to celebrity countdown. RIP Sean.

[@redarmy102]

We need need a meet and greet. Absolutely the best pod cast around today.

[@richardcook1987]

Simp

[@vaseline69]

No offence to Marina but I think a meet and greet would be short day for her and a long day for Richard

[@richardcook1987]

Why would they want to meet you?

[@vaseline69]

@@richardcook1987 most likely for the fee that people pay for meet and greet events

[@richardcook1987]

@@vaseline69 oh. Tragic

[@vincegormley]

First Chris Columbus & Pierce Brosnan film since Mrs Doubtfire

[@Ryanneey]

I just bought your book. I'm so excited to start it 😊

[@rjmunro]

I met someone who didn't grow up in the UK and loved 8 out of 10 cats loved countdown, but was not aware of the original countdown show.

[@JohnDoe-tp8mc]

Phone hacking covered and I loved it! Do Cambridge Analytica next

[@thomasdalton1508]

I don't know if other artists would want to do a deal like Taylor's with TikTok because I don't know what that deal was. Did TikTok agree to pay her what Universal were asking? Or did she agree to accept what TikTok were offering? Or did they compromise on something in-between? None of us knows. It may well be that she agreed to low royalties because she cares more about the publicity from being on TikTok than she does about the revenue she can make from TikTok, whereas other artists that aren't millionaires already are happy that Universal is standing up for them and demanding fair pay.

[@JamesEvans2023]

The production is going to have a stellar cast, we are talking British Royalty of the Silver Screen. And Columbus kicked off the Harry Potter Franchise so he's definitely got a place in my heart.

[@KristineMaitland]

I'm in Canada with my mother and she watches Millionaire from the US. It doesn't use Celebrities. Confused. Is it syndicated?

[@straitJacketFashion]

Well worth watching the BBC 3 parter on the Murdoch empire, unlikely heroes are Max Mosley and John Major

[@yancowles]

I wish there could be more celebrity based shows, it's a shame there are so few. Wouldn't it be great if we could add to the paucity of travelogues based around the adventures of two celebrity chums say, in a camper van or similar, or anything really, with celebs, doing stuff. It makes me sad but I live in hope. Oh, and more pop songs that would sound equally at home in musical theatre - there's definitely not enough of those along with interchangeable, earnest young men singing plaintive ballad sort of things.

[@ReoRis72]

They should do Celebrity Antiques Roadshow! I'd love to see celebrities standing in long queues in the rain holding vases and other knick knacks

[@verngriffiths5933]

I saw the TMC casting headlines and assumed that Brosnan would be playing Elizabeth's husband. He's great and will do something interesting with Ron, I'm sure, but from the books, I always saw Ron as looking more like a Tim Healey type. I wonder who people shout at Richard about Joyce, I see Anne Reid or Imelda Staunton in my head.

[@verngriffiths5933]

@@Est-os9yc good shout, elsewhere on this thread people have said Penelope Wilton, who had occurred to me as well. I thought they might have cast a little younger, which I know sounds counter intuitive, but with four books and more on the way, casting actors in their late 60s and ageing them up for the first couple of films would be an understandable route to take.

[@daddywhogames6601]

Re: phone hacking, it was an open secret in the mobile phone sales industry. Everyone knew that there was a loophole with one networks remote access to voicemail (let's call it oxygen). All you needed was the phone number and the fact that the owner hadn't changed the default access pin from 0000 and you could listen to their voicemails. A lot of people made a lot of money from journalists buying details of celebrities mobile numbers if they signed someone up to the network that had this security leak

[@bernardwathen9349]

I am often so disillusioned by the things that Richard approves of. I think that US version of Traitors was virtually unwatchable because of these minor celebrities. The players had so many preconceived ideas and loyalties

[@Klutech]

I too have been a bit mystified by some of the things he's claimed he enjoyed. I supposed he must see something in it others don't.

[@bernardwathen9349]

@@Klutech He has a lot of insight into what happens behind the scenes but the downside is that he is so close to many of the presenters that he feels uncomfortable criticising some of the less successful shows. Case in point Stephen Fry in Jeopardy.

[@xgonne]

May sweeps still happens in the US Networks - the death/birth/marriage/divorces (the beginnings and the endings) all predominately happened in those four weeks. It would also be the time when the Networks would do their UpFronts and announce the new shows for September/October.

[@Snoodlehootberry]

It would be really good if traitors would do an episode with the entire cast of a show. That would be fantastic.

[@vaseline69]

oh I'd love a parks and rec traitors show

[@postedbyneal]

another great episode, this is my 2x weekly can't miss pod. But, does Richard know his own age (or did I mis-hear).. born in 1959 yet said he's a 53yr old? hmm Edit to add: RIP Sean Lock, finding 8Oo10CDC online got me thru the pandemic.

[@ladyflimflam]

What are you on? Richard was born in 1970.

[@ehamster]

Has Richard thought of doing a celebrity version of “House of Games”? 😂

[@vaseline69]

I'm waiting for the McFly special

[@CyberEdZ]

Oh, pleeeeeeease do a Grand Knockout special - the TV show that *destroyed* the royal mystique.

[@johnwelch5132]

KZbinr Stuart Millard did a great post on it’s a Royal Knockout - worth a watch.

[@Lezzyboy87]

So who will be joyce?

[@sefgrt]

Is this a reupload? I’m sure I watched a new episode this morning?

[@TheRestIsEntertainment]

Nope, this only released today at 6pm

[@sefgrt]

@@TheRestIsEntertainment Perhaps it was out on Spotify this morning? I am certain I consumed it this morning. Either that or I am going crazy.

[@Robalogot]

Celebrity versions of shows can be good, but way too many are ruined by clout chasers who go in with their own brand and don't really care about how they do as long as their brand comes out ahead.

[@ManyFronds]

Does Four in a Bed count as a big (or at least long-running) show that has never had a celebrity version? If nothing else, I'd imagine it's tricky to find enough "celebs" who also run a B&B.

[@mostynf]

The interesting thing about Taylor Swift’s level of success is that, compared to the 80s icons Madonna, Whitney, MJ etc, she doesn’t really produce what you’d call “pop bangers,” particularly on her last four albums. It’s quite introspective sit at home in the bedroom and listen carefully to the lyrics sort of music, which given the enormity of her level of fame is I think quite unusual.

[@deanmcloughlin2360]

Not overly impressed with how late in the day this was uploaded 😂 I was waiting for it.

[@matt4812]

On the Who Wants To Be A Millionaire US remake missing the appeal, there might be some mileage in looking at remakes that just didn’t understand why the original worked. Taskmaster seems to be really quite popular in the US, but the US Taskmaster was, shall we say… Not well received.

[@Suspended4thYT]

Forty years after Madonna, Michael Jackson and many others of the period were at their height, we are still hearing their music being played everywhere - radio, tv, sports grounds, shops, cafes, high street stores and supermarkets. By 2064, I bet that we won't be saying the same about the current crop of musicians, including Ms Swift. In fact, I would hazard a guess that the above mentioned 1980s stars will still be getting played everywhere 🤨

[@vaseline69]

every era had their stars with staying power, so yeah there will be artists from now that will be played in the future.

[@tobyk8125]

A large number of young people would know little if anything about those two stars.

[@allanbarr1975]

Does anyone remember that weird show with john leslie that convinced contestants they were, and had, gone into space? The spaceship was basically a fairground ride, with a couple of tvs

[@tiredhippo82]

Scavengers, was basically crystal maze in space

[@diamonddave2622]

Scavengers?

[@andyskinnermusic917]

Jonny Vaughan space cadets immediately came to mind there.

[@alfsmith4936]

I don't remember that but I remember the weird video he made of his missus and her friend. 😉😉

[@munkeycop]

Following this I had to go and watch the video of Sean Lock eating a ridiculous number of whelks on Cats Does Countdown

[@DrCalamityJan]

I absolutely adored the US version of Traitors. Kate is an absolute drama weapon and I found myself loving her one moment and hating her the next. Her second coming (not quite Jesus) was the thing that made season 2 so good.

[@hotjavacool]

I look to Ms Hyde's facility with language as to a lodestar. I often have to look things up, and with pleasure. However, can somebody please tell me what 'investigate to the 'quarter AR eighth way' means? It's at 3.33. Google has been no help at all.

[@derronhall495]

I think it means that things weren't investigated properly. That the police didn't do a proper job. They did it in, in the American idiom, a "half-assed" way, But she was being clever, so she said it was worse than " half-assed". She says "quarter-assed" and then "eigth-assed". Oh, those tricky fractions. I think that's what she meant. Also, with her dialect, AR could be misheard as "or" or "arsed".

[@hotjavacool]

@@derronhall495 I just wanted to properly thank you for your reply. I like the idea of extending 'half-assed' 's meaning in that way, because it does seem to be Ms.Hyde's style. The AR bit still niggles, though.

[@thebagelsproductions]

She said arsed. In the UK we say half-arsed

[@sh8736]

Marina is always interrupting Richard he’s a saint for putting up with it!

[@michaelfriend4844]

Pierce Brosnan.....no! Not at all my visualisation of Ron 😢 Please, please, please Penelope Wilton as Joyce?

[@abzulooks6012]

Oh yes please Royal It's A Knockout deep dive bring it on.

[@msldela]

It appears that Meghan sent jam with her new brand (with fresh lemons) to 50 of her personal friends, some of whom posted on social media about it. The ‘influencers’ badge is just the fictional media spin put on it.

[@Semtx552]

Current season of Dutch traitors, is the first season without celebrities.

[@Qqquueeesstt]

8:18 interesting slip there.

[@R.Daneel]

Rev. Richard Coles would be a good "Traitor" competitor. So would Bob Mortimer.

[@vaseline69]

Bob Mortimer would be great but I'd worry about the mental health of all the other contestants if he was there

[@RigsbySmith]

I'm not at all convinced Richard could stand up in that part of the room

[@Ali85622]

Was it Prince William who made the discovery that his phone was being hacked (2005-2007) and reported it to the police, which lead to the phone hacking scandal.

[@MaliKamicak]

Yes it was. That's how all of it started.

[@philipwhiuk]

Milly Dowler blew the thing apart properly

[@phil1506]

They need to do civilian versions of strictly and IACGMOOH (not survivor)

[@alfsmith4936]

Civvy The masked singer could be fun..

[@JorWat25]

@@alfsmith4936 Can't help but feel that kinda wouldn't work. The whole 'game' is trying to work out who the people are, or being surprised that a celebrity can actually sing. Plus The Voice is basically already doing the whole 'judging a singer without seeing them' thing.

[@alfsmith4936]

@@JorWat25 Of course it wouldn't work lol. "It sounds like Bob, from the fish counter.. Ring in and vote!" I've only seen it online and it seems like aging stage school veterans, trying to be popular again.

[@alfsmith4936]

@@JorWat25 I've just looked at the British version's wiki page. Who was surprised that professional singers, Joss Stone, Natalie Imbruglia, or one of Girls Aloud could sing? (I've not heard of the other winners lol)

[@JorWat25]

@@alfsmith4936 Ah, didn't get you were being sarcastic. Apologies, Poe's Law and all that...

[@MikusMusik]

Marina worked on the celeb desk at the Sun - inexcusable - takes some nerve to preach now about how bad tabloid culture is and was

[@thebagelsproductions]

Piers Morgan refers to her as his best friend in the acknowledgement of his book, which she helped to prepare.....

[@A7XfoREVer2705]

For me Charlotte Rampling would have been a good as Elizabeth.

[@dormantat]

Why do podcasts, in their increasingly-common video format, so fixated with having big microphones on screen. When it’s one person talking straight to the camera a big microphone, and sometimes headphones, are a big visual distraction. Technology exists to have hidden microphones and discrete earpieces.

[@oliviadavies2674]

Penelope Wilton for Joyce?

[@Ulleskelf]

Has Marina forgotten that her podcast company owner, Mr G Lineker, was in It's A Royal Knockout?

[@JorWat25]

She mentions him being in it at 27:34

[@vaseline69]

@@JorWat25 shhh don't spoil their great gotcha moment with pesky facts

[@rikardottosson1272]

Skura= to scour in Swedish

[@vaseline69]

question, since there seems to be a certain percentage of people here that seem to hate everything about Marina Hyde, why do you watch/listen to the podcast?

[@mikebowers7161]

Elizabeth IS Helen!!

[@Cinephileofmany]

I’m glad something else is becoming popular in the charts. The dancey Calvin Harris effect has had its day, with it making so much music dance influenced and it all makes the charts sound very bland.

[@redbullmaster3020]

Pierce Brosnan should be Stephen And Ray Winstone should be Ron,

[@oscarshapely]

So that's why there haven't been many quiz shows to apply for recently. The flipping celebs are taking all the jobs!!!

[@Alo4321]

I think if a celeb charity episode is repeated then the charity should get the money paid again.

[@richardcook1987]

The traitors celebrities makes no sense. Because it doesn't matter who wins. Where it matters is when they get money thst chsnges their lives.

[@bradj0nezy29]

Whats with the sly dig at guy ritchie

[@robinseeley6903]

Is Richard going to do a celebrity ROHOG?

[@Montycat78]

I’d definitely watch that!

[@chandrawong449]

*Every* ROHOG is a celebrity show. Am I missing the sarcasm?

[@Montycat78]

I think you might be...

[@vaseline69]

@@Montycat78 he could do a 70s special if he could find any celebs from the 70s currently not in jail

[@spooony2714]

Celebrity Traitors is a bad idea in my opinion, it's like poker with play money, it sounds fine but without the jeopardy of playing for real money it means nothing. Celebrities aren't incentived to win, they are incentivised to be noticed, which in the Traitors is not optimal. It might do well in the ratings, but it hurts the product and I think that it'll kill the longevity of the show.

[@alfsmith4936]

I think people will get fed up of that show soon enough anyway.

[@sipepguru]

The joys of being first to comment... Give this a like

[@rf8640]

'Celebrity shows', aka otherwise watchable programs ruined for ever more

[@Ulleskelf]

Can we nominate people for Celebrity Squid Game?

[@vaseline69]

I'll go first Liz Truss

[@ChubbyChecker182]

Celebrity Mastermind is the worst. It used to be quite "Highbrow" tv show, particularly back in the 70s and 80s, but the Celeb edition has dumbed the whole show down.

[@donepearce]

Taylor Swift's impact on my world is zero. I am a music lover and I go to see live bands of genuine talent. I have no time for overly made up forty somethings who mime their shows to ten year olds while pretending they feel teenage angst. That stuff all happens on another planet.

[@alangreenway6695]

I was deeply amused by the This Morning coverage of Taylor Swift’s album release at the Empire State Building with the paid ringer Swifty fans in the background. They would ask them questions and they would recite their response of their favourite new song, but when the presenter was talking they mimed talking to themselves. Taylor Swift is not really a musician any more, she’s a reality TV star without the TV bit selling gossip about her relationships and inevitable breakups to a celebrity hungry fan base.

[@emdiar6588]

Swifties may just save democracy, which is on life support at the moment. Getting her fans to register to vote, sent the MAGA crazies into a whirlwind of despair. For that alone, she deserves her billion.

[@johnjo343]

Costs are paid for by the loser not the winner

[@vaseline69]

So for example if you were to turn down a settlement for 1 million and then the court awards 500000 it would be seen by the court that the action was unnecessary so you would then be liable for the other sides cost as it would be viewed that they would not have had those costs if you had settled I think for me the biggest unfairness in this is that a lot of settlements have clauses where there is no liability accepted

[@chrisclarke4295]

8 out of 10 cat does countdown is very good, but the opening preamble is far too long and the 30-second 'stunts' just aren't funny compared to the rest of the show

[@chrisknight2631]

Jesus, I’m old. I’ve never heard of Noah Khan. Nor have I heard of any of the artists Richard listed other than Beyoncé.

[@CyberEdZ]

I hadn't until Richard mentioned him in an earlier show - 'Stick Season' is a *fabulous* song (it's Noah Kahan, btw.)

[@chrisknight2631]

@@CyberEdZ Kahan? Excellent, thank you. I’ll give it a go. Always open to new stiff but Country is definitely one of least favourites so I’m keeping my expectations low (I rank British rap/hip-hop (Grime, apparently) ahead of country and I despise all of that!) Thank you again.

[@CyberEdZ]

@@chrisknight2631 I wouldn't go so far as you say it's country, more folk. It's got a wicked hook. You're welcome, hope you enjoy!

[@chrisknight2631]

@@CyberEdZ It’s quite good, isn’t it!? Not the best thing I’ve heard, but very broad so I can see the appeal across different audiences, genre-wise. Yeah, Folk-Pop I’d call it, before I’d ever guess it was Country. Or Pop-Folk? Which way around does something like that go, and who decides that in genre-bending songs? Anyway, thank you again - that was decent and now I can pretend to be keeping up with musical trends at the grand-old age of 43!! That said, my 16 year old son doesn’t know who he is either, but I’ve being brainwashing my sons for year with regards to music, film/TV and sport, which I’ve always seen as a success but maybe I’m holding them back(?). Ah, who knows…. Who cares, eh? 😂

[@alfsmith4936]

@@CyberEdZ It sounds like David Grey, trying to sound like Ed Sheeran, 10 years ago.

[@lyndsayjones14]

I see taylor swift in the title and I click

[@richardcook1987]

I see osman and Hyde and click

[@Klutech]

@@richardcook1987 They have a lot of great topics in general

[@johnmcalester5165]

Celebrity Crimewatch ?

[@vaseline69]

did you not pay attention to operation Yewtree 😜😜

[@themardybum08]

So we've run out of entertainment topics and just reverting to partisan politics hackery now guys?

[@adammills9063]

She dominates because she gets marketed so ridiculously heavily. I get Spotify notifications about her all the time and I never listen to her music. She's shoved down everyone's throats. Milk it while she can. She'll be 40 soon and teens won't want to see an old girl up on stage talking about ex boyfriends.

[@Klutech]

Haha She's been a well-oiled machine in the sense of capitalizing on her previous relationships. I'm sure much of her audience is half her age and in the teen angst phase, so one would wonder how much longer she will have appeal by that demographic pushing 40.

[@user-gr2lb3kv3g]

3rd

[@thebagelsproductions]

Sub-lebrities 😂

[@allanbarr1975]

is it me, or is richard turning into rolf harris?

[@Montycat78]

Might be libellous?

[@allanbarr1975]

Meant aesthetically, no other similarity

[@suespencer8190]

It’s you

[@vaseline69]

I hope not for Ingrid's sake

[@georgewaters6424]

third coooooomment ha!

[@rabbyrotten7566]

Love the podcast, slightly uncomfortable with Richard so keen to draw Marina's opinion on certain topics while never venturing any himself.

[@sefgrt]

Marina likely has more valid opinions on them than he?

[@Anna-hd5wm]

It’s actually refreshing if someone lets the other person talk who has researched it or actually knows more about it

[@ladyflimflam]

You would like it better if the man talked and the woman shut up, huh?

[@verngriffiths5933]

​@@ladyflimflam wow, that's a stretch, it is abundantly clear from the post that the op would like to hear Richard's opinions as well.

[@tim2223]

Marina’s obsessed with Meghan Markle, isn’t she? It’s quite pathetic.

[@vaseline69]

wow what great insight, a show about fame and entertainment that would include discussions about one of the most famous women in the world.....what next a Kardashian

[@cockerswilde]

I wish this podcast wouldn't keep going too far down the political space. I get that Hugh Grant is an actor and this is why this is being talked about so much - but this seems much more like it should be a News Agents segment