TAYLORMADE P790 V MIZUNO MP20 HMB IRONS

[@jetdr]

HMB is a pricey set, but when I purchase clubs I keep them for 7 or more years. The HMB is the nicest clubs I have ever seen, and they are forgiving. Finally someone makes clubs that are fantastic looking and performing for a wide range of players, not just sub 5 Handicap...

[@tdelam]

Except not available in left handed lol :(

[@doronneuhaus30]

Just subscribed to your channel although I have watched a few of your videos before. Like you I am a weekend golfer but I do play off a fairly low handicap of +1. Despite that I find that your club tests are relevant and informative. Even though my ball striking is pretty decent, this game is so difficult that any help we can get is appreciated. Watching someone like yourself test clubs and give really brilliant objective information is great. If we could get over our egos as well as you do, we would probably all improve a little. Now to get through 3 weeks of no golf due to this COVID-19.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Doron Neuhaus thanks for subscribing, great hcp👍 hope you keep watching and stay safe

[@tdelam]

As always, great review! I ordered a set of the TaylorMade P790's tonight. I am left handed and have a set of MP 20 SEL's. While I think they're really nice irons, I wish Mizuno made the 5 iron in left handed HMB's as well so we can combo them better. The 3 and 4 HMB's in my set are nice but the 5 iron MP 20 MB is still pretty small. I find the MP 20 MB's forgiving enough on mishits, especially thin shots but much prefer the extra help throughout the set in the TM's, especially on those bad days!

[@bpdiaz]

One thing to consider on the price issue if you play graphite shafts in your irons...as I do...TaylorMade has and up charge on graphite shafts and non stock grips while Mizuno does not. I just priced out both clubs to my custom fit specs and the Mizuno MP20 HMB came in at $175 per club vs the TaylorMade 2019 P790 at $202.50 per club. If you compare stock set to sock set you are right the Mizuno is more expensive...cheers from Florida USA

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Thats great info Bill, thxs for sharing

[@josephnewcomb1737]

Literally the comparison I’ve been waiting for

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Hope it was worth the wait

[@peterhammer6915]

Hands down Mizuno for me.

[@stevevetovich6771]

One thing to consider here is even though you preferred the "lower" flight of the P790, it can come back to haunt you when comparing 4 iron. The loft may be too low and your P790 4-iron is worthless but your HMB 4-iron is a viable option in your bag. That's the problem I find in these types of irons. Demo-ing the 7-iron is impressive but when you buy the set you can't get the 4 iron off the deck. Personally, I would take the set with the higher-launching 7-iron. Great comparison video. Thanks !!

[@kvishal001]

Epic: A very useful comment!

[@tdelam]

That's why they're considering a progressive set. The 3 and 4 P790 are actually high launching

[@JDB4197]

You can customize your set on TM website, have 790 3-6 and 760 7-P.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Yes you could but look like 2 completely different sets

[@wallstreetoneil]

I look at it this way, this is Taylormade's 2nd iteration of a game changing club and they have made improvements to their most important iron. Mizuno recognized Taylormade's success and came out with an equivalent type club, probably better looking, that its customers want to buy. Neither manufacturer is a loser here - both will win and it is fantastic for the game that modern type blades have been created that are easier to hit. My personal beef with the Mizuno is I wish the HMB had slightly less offset but I still went out today, demoed it for the 2nd time and then placed an order for an HMB 5 iron, bent 1 degree stronger to 24 degrees, with an upcharged SteelFiber 110gram shaft - all because I can't stand seeing the back of my 24 degree Mizuno Hot Metal Pro 5 iron and it gives me the carry number, ease of strike and high launch and spin conditions I want. I now finally in my life have a 5 iron, that I like the look of, that I can hit with a 45 degree descent angle into the green that carries 195 with good holding power - and I don't play on the PGA Tour. Long high beautiful long irons are something that only Jack Nicklaus could hit - technology has changed that and from a recreational golf perspective, that is amazing.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Fantastic comments Paul which I totally agree with, good luck with your new 5 iron

[@tdhawk7284]

I really like your swing. The simplicity is laudable. There doesn’t appear to be much forearm rotation / pronation. I’d love to see it from different angles. Great vids. Thanks!

[@neilgardner5759]

Hi Andy. I brought a set of Taylormade new 790 irons in the past 2 weeks and a large part of the decision was your on-course review. They are very nice clubs following initial testing and play and I am hoping that they will be a big step forward in my game. Cheers for the review mate

[@bryanhylok9961]

are the Mizuno prices higher over seas?? because here in the usa they are basically same exact price

[@211squirrel]

Nobody has mentioned this yet: You only had 2 shots under 10 yards offline with the P790, but 8 shots under 10 yards offline with the HMB’s. Your “average offline” figures would be interesting to compare!

[@johnknobbe8247]

Thanks for the comparisons Andy. You always touch on all the right boxes when reviewing clubs.The one thing I have found with these power-lofted irons is distance control. Give me a traditional lofted forged iron that I can depend on for the right distance.

[@jessielillyman3252]

the prices on the websites are identical... 1399$ for the set.

[@michaelashman3951]

In Australia the mizuno hmb are cheaper then the p790. Not sure where he got his pricing from

[@peterrod16]

Great breakdown of both clubs. As a Lefty the P790s are stunning to look at and perform well. Continue the great content

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Thank you Peter

[@BT62240]

So is the price of the mp20 hmb worth it vs the mizuno jpx919 hot metal?

[@JoeJoeJoeUrBoat]

I hit both, the 790s felt way softer to me. They also look more like a players iron, with the same level of forgiveness and more distance. No brainer to me, the 790s look way better as well. My set arrives tomorrow, cheers! Great video.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Hope you enjoy them, great set of irons

[@any1younger]

Hello. If money wasn’t an issue - which would you game please?

[@TC-ps9sd]

This video is a great reminder that we should evaluate new clubs to the clubs we're currently playing to turn up the contrast. Many of the new clubs are great, but are they performing better than the clubs we currently play?

[@jessewaddell5510]

I think you make great points in the video. For me what would sway my choice would be the ease of blending within the Mizuno range. Love the idea of help in the long irons with this type of club, but similar looks (at least in the bag) and lofts in the Miunzo line from MB to HMB is a big selling point. Im not sure you could blend a 730 and 790 range quite as easy without having gapping issues.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Im with you on this one

[@justinstephenson9360]

Looking at the numbers I would give a slight edge to the Mizuno's. I would have expected the difference in carry to be a couple of yards more in favour of the P790s. Then again 2-3 yards is hardly earth shattering!

[@davidallen5377]

I price them here in the US and a 3-PW set are identically priced at $1400, about 1130 pounds.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

If thats true thats an incredible difference which I find very unusual

[@DocWilly77]

Mizuno usually has higher prices in europe

[@TheAverageGolfer]

DocWilly77 tough luck Europe 🙁

[@JDSFLA]

I just went to the web site of each and the TM P790 was $1,300 and the Mizuno MMB $1,400 - both 3-PW. So the price gap is only $100 in the U.S. so other factors are the better deciding factor.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

@@JDSFLA Yes I believe so and does change perspective

[@damiensharkey6603]

P790 is two years old. It was the same price on launch

[@funkyblues09]

Hi, has anyone seen or does anyone think that a mid or even high handicapper could use the hmb or are these exclusively a single figure handicap club? Interested in what the market for these actually is, how would these compare to the JPX 919 Forged - seen these are the same lofts?

[@m0tiii]

In jakarta the hmb is significantly cheaper than the p790

[@fahmara6842]

Mending mana broo?

[@basket1734]

they are both $1399 American (3-PW) according to TGW.com. Then again it's Taylormade, so they will be $699 in 2020. I play MP-18 (MB- PW-8i- MMC-7-5; Flyhi 4&3 (only use the 3 when a driving iron makes sense on the course)), and I don't see anything different in the MP20's or any other brand that will make me buy this year.

[@michaelwalsh7753]

Surely you can combo a p790 set with other irons from within the family if u wanted a combo set?

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Yes of course but will look like two completely different sets of irons

[@dscott2nd]

Just bought a set of HMB today. So excited.

[@andrewpeters4716]

Which do you like best between the pxg’s, taylormade p790,and Mizuno mp 20 hmb?

[@kevinbachus5887]

Dispersion differences??? Very important consideration as well. all else considered equal, $40 difference per club is a big difference. Glad you did this comparison as these are the two iron sets I am considering. Well done.

[@traviseckard5250]

P790 sounds better and is very soft feeling I’ll take the 790 all day over the HMB as you don’t need to mix it with other irons to get a good set.

[@peterhammer6915]

you need an ear doctor? HMB is sound wise and feel wise different league. Or maybe I need an ear doctor? For me HMB all day and also P790 too strong lofted for my liking.

[@victorrodriguezsr6081]

Which is more forgiving? Off center hits?

[@robertbuchanan562]

I see the mizuno mp20 hmb have low bounce ranging 1-5 degrees compared to say ping i500 where bounce is 5 -11 degrees of bounce? Can you tell the difference in turf interaction divots etc.

[@richardgatehouse1520]

Andy how about a comparison between hmb and hot metal pro. Anyone who has experience of hitting both against each other I’d appreciate any feedback 👍

[@jamieellis2297]

Strange about the pricing, here in Australia from golfbox 4-pw in the p790 is $2093 and hmb 4-pw is $1897, so nearly $30 a club cheaper for the mizunos 🤔

[@Mungo-ul9pv]

Value of the pound!

[@damiensharkey6603]

30 degree 7 iron??

[@SteadyRolling]

How does the Epic compare?

[@ultimatejay]

What elevation do you have your simulator set at 10000ft and 200 degreees. Sorry but theres no way you're carrying 170+ yards with that swing.

[@home4ya]

so you are hitting 790 15 yards longer than M5 & Apex 7i?

[@williamjones4682]

Great video once again Andy!

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Thank You

[@markvickers6641]

surely you can blend the P790s with P760s and/or P730s. I know several players who have done this. Also P790 3i/2i very popular with pros who use P730s

[@tomk9894]

In the US both clubs are the same price, $175 per club.

[@squidly2112]

I prefer a true blade like MP-20 (not HMB).. I currently play MP-37's (practice) and MP-69's (play) which are "real" muscle-back blades and buttery smooth!

[@misterjaypeasmith]

squidly2112 was thinking that the HMB doesn’t belong in this review 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@thehairygolfer]

That Taylormade doesn't go bad for a 5 iron. Who started this nonsense of labeling clubs incorrectly? Callaway. You used to buy a set of irons 3 - SW - 9 clubs. Now you buy a set of irons 5 - PW - 6 clubs but the PW is so strong you need a 48 and a 56 as a bare minimum. You get less clubs for more money.

[@glenburr6755]

Hairy Golfer I think the stronger lofts started back with the Tommy Armour 845’s.

[@thehairygolfer]

@@glenburr6755 The 845's were brilliant. Didn't change for years, no need to upgrade a great club. Back before all the hype about technology.

[@seancook2264]

How do they compare to the Titelist T100?

[@fredrikholmberg1048]

Great review. Love your content. 👍

[@briantreadwell2206]

I would trial both if in the market - I recently hit the MMC with stiff shaft - I liked them (a lot), trialled against the Titleist CB. . . . I don’t think we can say one better than the other - all about what works for you . . . . I’m a Mizuno fan though 😉 I presently game the MP-SC

[@craigtalbot9316]

Just received my Hmb's, I did not pay much more than if I had gone p790. Plus I had my choice of free upgrade grip and a shaft choice that would have been extra through TM! Keep up the good work Andy!!

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Good luck with them Craig, lovely irons

[@craigtalbot9316]

@@TheAverageGolfer cheers Andy, the feel off the mizuno swung it for me, tm felt clicky in comparison

[@RichardJones-hk6vs]

Great comparison . Getting fitted tomorrow at fore golf 👍👍

[@flew9296]

Rick Shields was complaining about the price increase of the 19' P790 in his review. He said that the price for the 7 pcs set of P790 is 1,299 Pounds. That works out to be 185 per club. I wonder why there is such a big gap between price info of the P790 between these two videos.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

That was the RRP before hitting retail, £145 is the price being sold to consumer

[@gabbagabba321]

Just the video I’ve wanted to see. Both on my list! Cheers Andy!

[@TheAverageGolfer]

gabbagabba321 yes try both cos little to separate

[@cwugrad396]

P790 and MP 20 HMB are both $175 per club this side of the pond .. did a quick check and that’s £142 each. With shaft and grip option being better for the Mizuno ... anyhow it’s OK to sit on the fence and say go test for yourself bc you are splitting hairs

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Yes I believe so, thats unfair on Europe! ;)

[@FLFC77]

Got to try the mp20 this week.. wow!! I use the 718 mb but the mizuno were stunning.. 👍🏼 thought the HMB were a little too hot for me pal they went like a rocket and so high but yeah the whole range is stunning

[@dannytraynor19]

Any plans to do a orka golf review ? They’re making a really good name for themselves I cannot find a bad word said on them and everyone is talking about them but nobody is reviewing them 🤷‍♂️ they’re offering something no other golf brand is offering. Love your reviews keep up the good work pal 👍🏻

[@georgejung5429]

“Apparently” they are quad forged and the best irons out there. I know a guy who has them, he just pffffttts every time I ask “are they the best you’ve ever hit” he loves them.

[@TheShanegriffin]

Great comparison review mate

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Thank you Shane

[@sievans79]

Mizuno offer far more shaft options with no up charge.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Good point

[@BaBaBooeyWRLD]

just curious but which shafts? i may go with modus 105 and i dont think theres an up charge from either

[@asdfkhieee]

@@BaBaBooeyWRLD like 15 shafts, that may be an overstatement, but its a lot of shafts

[@coegj]

Good review TAG, thanks.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Thank you

[@paullawson3331]

Great review!

[@simonheaney9940]

The one thing I was hoping to hear was what club is more forgiving?

[@TheAverageGolfer]

I think there is little to split them Simon

[@markspriggs1962]

P790 is just too much power loft. I can’t get any feel from them and a couple of friends who play them are looking to change because they’ve lost all confidence in how far they go!

[@thehairygolfer]

I didn't know anyone else made irons other than Mizuno. Who da thunk it?

[@JonathanMundy0]

Great video Andy. Really well put together. I’m keen to try both of these irons, once I get over the sticker shock and save some more pennies

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Thank you and good luck

[@jerlogcol]

Add 0211?

[@TheAverageGolfer]

If I did that head to head I would be shot down too easily

[@jerlogcol]

makes sense. i am also an average golfer, but am looking at 0211 and mp20 hmb. going back to your 0211 average distances, they seem bang on to the hmb. just wondering which one is more forgiving? i know you play 0211, would you change now that hmb is out?

[@zackmirsberger6176]

@@jerlogcol I'm also really interested in this comparison to the 0211.

[@asdfkhieee]

Why does the P790 win on price? The HMB is only 1225 at dicks the same price as the p790s, and we all can get a better deal than what dicks sell for. Plus with the extra shaft options, the HMB offers it should get an extra tick in box. I'd play either though if you want to send me set.

[@BogeyBrothas]

Well you know I’m going P790 because I’m all about looks 😂🏌️‍♂️

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Looks is important

[@thecadman99]

I'll get these in 2029 at Goodwill.

[@mattsmith-bl2bg]

ok Jon and Ashley!

[@thecadman99]

@@mattsmith-bl2bg I wish. Those two get all the good stuff.

[@robertcain369]

Cheers Andy 👍

[@TheAverageGolfer]

No problem

[@sandhall1539]

Both seem high tbh I know cost is related to individual people it's your money do what you want. How much better are they than there older versions or any older set. Good breakdown and review I'm not a customer or there target market I don't think I think it's operator gets results not club so why spend big.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Thanks for feedback

[@roberthind3394]

Blue skies in England 😎

[@Sportstouring]

790's win this one hands down.

[@robbiles]

Agree, but to be able to play a club that truly looks like a blade. Mmmm.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Yep agreed

[@robhendrikx2198]

I don't think this is an honest review. You are clearly biased towards Taylormade. Price might/must be a consideration when purchasing, but it should NOT be considered when judging the club. If you want a lower ball flight, take your 6 iron...

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Strange theory Rob

[@robhendrikx2198]

@@TheAverageGolfer Not strange. You review a club by judging how good it is. Then it is up to me to decide if I want to spend 180 pounds on a very good club, or 145 on a good club. If you judge the club to be better, or just as good BECAUSE it is cheaper, you attach too much value on the property price. Like an other respondent said: you play these clubs for years, it hurts your wallet only once.

[@TheAverageGolfer]

Rob Hendrikx but how was it clearly biased? Very strange I’d say

[@robhendrikx2198]

@@TheAverageGolfer OK, "clearly" might be an overstatement, but here is what I get from the video: by awarding points for looks, feel, sound and price you get to a 2-2 score. There's nothing to separate the clubs. This despite your earlier comment that the Mizuno felt better than anything you hit in years. OK, no problem. But then you go and state that you cannot leave it at a draw and because you prefer a more penetrating flight (only because of the difference in loft), you give the win to Taylormade. And that felt forced to me. When this Corona thing is over I will go to my golf store and will try both the HMB and the P790, and maybe some other club as well, so I am NOT anti-Taylormade. It just seemed to me that you were grasping at an excuse to arrive at a predetermined conclusion.

[@jerlogcol]

If the mp20 was 30 degrees it would have out performed.

[@nigelsmith2379]

Just give it a couple of months and they will be the same price it's the PXG syndrome

[@TheAverageGolfer]

As in both products same price?

[@martinatilano8364]

P790 by far... I’ll use mizuno for my baseball gear.

[@danharrison9290]

Mizuno sucks for every lefty. They don’t even offer a full set of HMB in left.

[@jonathanbaker2789]

Mizuno kills!

[@rydoggsc2]

Mizuno for me...oh wait I'm a lefty and they don't make them. LAME!

[@toumistra]

A DRIVER company Vs a IRON COMPANY.........we are talking irons here right? NOTHING FEELS LIKE A MIZUNO!

[@damiensharkey6603]

No difference in price

[@mrjamesgrimes]

Jesus man...get on with it. I had to watch you at 1.75 speed