The Problem with MODEST FASHION

Modest Fashion is an enigma. This video delves into the subject and look at it from different perspectives.
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[@flutterg1035]

Being 👏curvy👏 doesn't 👏make👏 you 👏immodest 👏 Don't be ashamed for having a body. The fact that curviness is being sexualized isn't *your* fault and its no ones business to be shaming you for something you can't control. Edit: I just mean to say don't shame your body for not fitting clothes in the way you want, God made it that way for a reason. And im not saying to show off your curves if you dont want to. Literally just dont hate your body, thats it.

[@peachmilk833]

Yes, but religiously the shape is supposed to be concealed as best as possible..I get where you're coming from, but hijab is not just the head.

[@Chances126]

@@peachmilk833 seconding this. There are Hadith saying clearly not to show the shape of your body. I wear khimar and flowy jilbab if I wear an abaya that isn’t really flowy you can see my shape.

[@flutterg1035]

@@peachmilk833 Well i was more so saying that just having curves itself isn't immodest. Like dont shame yourself for not being able to fit that religious shape easily. Cause people can equate the two too often. I personally am not Muslim and im going off on what i do know. Its just God made all these shapes and sizes of woman. They are born that way. It weird to me to called one portion of God's creations immoral/immodest because of how he made them. You get what i mean? But also, so what are people who can't just hide their shape that easily suppose to do? Especially in the summer or if they dont have money or time to spend finding good clothes to wear? I'm asking out of genuine curiosity.

[@peachmilk833]

@@flutterg1035 well, there are actually tons of different types of styles of hijab or coverings that can easily conceal your shape. Like the other commenter said, khimar and jilbab are much more flowy and cover well, depending on fabric, it is not really hot either, of course it's never someone's fault if they are unable to get what is adequate though, but usually certain things are available at islamic stores for not an extremely high price. Btw, I'd like to point out that covering your body doesn't mean you are ashamed of it, I think it's quite the opposite actually, to me it's more like honoring it and letting it be only for yourself, and some others. covering actually reinforced me to take care of my body better out of choice, and not because of societal pressure. It's makes me feel happy and secure. I studied veils/headcoverings of the past a little and they were commonly worn as a symbol of status in non islamic, pre islamic, and islamic societies. Jewish, christian, Muslim and even polytheistic women wore veils in many empires and lands. Lots of women were quite adamant about wearing it. Some couldn't cuz of status though in certain places. Colonialism and European aggression is actually what stigmatized it. Btw totally agree tho. No one should be ashamed about their natural body shape, especially if it's more attractive than others. It's all a blessing from God. 💓 I just think there is a difference between shame/modesty and "ashamed" if you get what I mean, and we try our best to adhere to God's laws, but ofc everyone is always at different levels and shouldn't always be harshly judged.

[@flutterg1035]

@@peachmilk833 Fair enough. But i do wanna make it clear im not saying dont cover up cause you feel ashamed or that women are covering up because they are ashamed. I'm saying dont be ashamed of your body for not fitting the clothes you want in the way you want. Like, dont let clothing and trends dictate your worth type thing

[@chikne]

another thing about the modest fashion industry that’s always bothered me is that it’s not diverse in terms of fashion style. like most all hijabi bloggers fit aesthetics like minimalism or streetwear (basically the typical H&M catalog). this has made most ppl think a clean and minimalistic aesthetic is the only way hijabis can dress. which has always been impossible for me, as an alternative and gothic inclined girl, to find inspiration from. i hope that makes sense

[@astrid5126]

true. everything starts to look the same. I end up browsing other sources for ideas anyways and then making modifications to make them more modest but still 'me'. Also--maybe you already know them but you might like Neko Chan's style :)

[@chikne]

@@astrid5126 yess i love neko chan!! :D

[@jiyaswift5053]

When you mention alt/gothic style, the best style came to mind was Sana from Skam (Norway). I love love love her outfits and makeup.

[@chikne]

@@jiyaswift5053 thanks!! does she have a channel or insta?

[@hafsaaleem5688]

this is EXACTLY how i felt. intially i felt really discouraged and i thought my hijab woudl prevent me or act as an obstacle to the way I wanted to dress. I've grown a lot since then and i have really learned to love my hijab and what is represents, so i really don't feel that way anymore but i do tend to rely on non-muslim fashion inspo and when it comes to dressing in different styles i always have to do my own modesty check to make sure that these clothes and styles imitate the way i feel comfortable dressing based on my modesty. It would be nice to see mainstream muslim fashion break out of the sterotypical western silhouettes and neutral color palettes. It kind of adds to the whole modern muslim thing where we also participate in fast fashion and shein hauls, but theres so much more to us.

[@rachelmumford5025]

I appreciate the perspective from Muslim women. I kind of hate the "modesty culture" of the Christian faith I grew up in. I was told "modest is hottest!" and felt like.... isn't modesty supposed to be about my relationship with God?

[@natilynn1489]

I totally agree !! For me as a Christian, modesty is about turning down the focus on the physical - experiencing life as an individual, keeping the focus on the spiritual and not getting distracted. I feel sometimes as well there is an expectation that you will be modest but also modest-attractive which is again just swapping one beauty standard for another. If modesty is about being attractive, it is like re-sexualising the body, objectifying women again (who looks more pure).

[@cherisseepp5332]

I didn’t grow up in a modesty focused Christian community but I had friends who did. I sometimes felt like their focus was too much on the outside and less about a modest attitude. It was just as off putting as watching a lot of music videos.

[@marthahawkinson-michau9611]

I also grew up with Christian modesty culture. So much of the focus was on how much you should or shouldn’t wear. The whole time I was learning the rules, I was also questioning everything about it. Like, thanks mom for teaching 900 rules for how to not get raped. Also, you are aware that none of these rules are actually effective? No? Just checking. When I what “victim blaming” actually meant, I realized that the only thing that actually can help reduce the risk of being raped is learning how to judge a man’s character without letting him get too close. Still not foolproof, but keeping a guy you don’t trust at arm’s length does help. At this point, I dress how I damn well please. I do tend to be more covered up, but I dislike both wearing sunscreen and getting a sunburn. I have magically pale, never tanning skin, so some areas I need to cover more than others.

[@stolenzephyr]

I'm not Muslim, just interested in fashion. And this was really interesting and informative. Thanks for making a video even people unfamiliar with Muslim fashion and faith could learn from!

[@jfm14]

My thoughts exactly! I'm grateful to those willing to have these enlightening conversations publicly because it means I can learn from them as well, even as a non-Muslim.

[@shazna1837]

Yeah it seriously feels like they just made a hijabi barbie standard. Nothing looks “modest” the same way as the skinny blogger if you have curves. It ends up becoming really hard to be “modest” and trendy when you have curves. And the colorism, I never felt represented in the modest fashion community as a darker skinned desi girl which only perpetuates the colorist desi beauty standards.

[@mimim6015]

Um... if you have curves then you'd have a bit more trouble with hiding your curves.. that isn't anybody elses problem.. theres like nothing you can do about it but just put in more effort to cover the vurves.

[@shazna1837]

@@mimim6015 thank you for your shocking revelation of a comment wow I didn’t even know that!!! I understand what you are saying. But you are missing the point, the point of talking about curves and skin color on the context of a “hijabi barbie” was to say that it becomes exclusive for those who defy the beauty standard I.e. having curves and being of a darker complexion. Honey, I know it’s no one else’s problem (it’s honestly shouldn’t be a problem period), but it is a sense of creating a whole new exclusive beauty standard, in the name of creating more inclusivity, which is just hypocrisy, and becomes a SOCIAL problem.

[@SS-cu8se]

Omg thank you! We have to come to terms with the reality that some outfits look more modest/less modest on body types. If you are a skinny sister that doesn’t have junk in the trunk or front, then of course certain outfit will look more modest on you because you have less (or no) curves to hide. Whereas if curvy sisters wear the same outfit, it heavily sexualizes their body which makes it more noticeable how contradictory their outfit looks. When I see a lot of these modest “burkinis” I know I couldn’t be caught wearing that because your sis has curves lol it’s be equivalent to be wearing a bodycon dress and putting a hijab on it lol

[@shazna1837]

@@SS-cu8se yeahhh exactly! Especially with the burkinis, only recently have I seen burkinis that I actually would be comfortable wearing. Curvier hijabi women also get more haram policing, bc of the over Sexualization. It’s honestly such a problem, but no one would want to talk about it’s too much to Handle smh

[@omowhanre]

@@shazna1837 mashAllah mashAllah mashAllah! That was a VERY measured response to a very ignorant comment. I pray I can be as diplomatic as you one day.

[@meesterthanyou]

I'm a Christian, but I've definitely seen similar issues with Christian influencers and some church cultures, especially with "modestly policing". How a religious woman dresses, whatever her views on modesty, it's ultimately between her and God

[@cseghiri]

I recall going to halaqa at the masjid and learning about hijab. The lady who conducted the halaqa made the point that if you cannot pray in what you’re wearing then it’s really not hijab. That has stuck with me and yes my hijab isn’t perfect but whenever I see the modest fashion trends promoted by hijab social media figures, I find myself asking if they can pray in those outfits. And 98% of the time it’s a no unfortunately.

[@Noah-il6qn]

Well praying consists of sujood and that would be the only issue. clothes can be modest for day to day use just fine. It's just sujood can be awkward with certain clothes.

[@n.m.9938]

@@Noah-il6qn I believe you didn't really get what she meant. I guess it has more do with the spiritual meaning and less with "physical"...oh, it's difficult to explain 😅😅🙈🙈 It means if you decide to pray and think that your clothes are not appropriate to appear in front of Allah, most probably they are nor appropriate to get out with. For instance, yoga pants can be super comfortable while praying, but are they "appropriate" for a one-to-one conversation with Allah (since Salah is a dialogue with Allah)? It's highly disrespectful. I have seen so many Muslim KZbinrs who are selling false Hijab (tight clothes, full makeup...). I am not saying I am better than them (it's between Allah and them). However, they are misleading the youth

[@Noah-il6qn]

@@n.m.9938 sis, I clearly didn't mean yoga pants. Some fabrics and items change their appearance on your body when you make sujood.

[@Noah-il6qn]

@Mariam Gabr I didn't mean tight clothes but thank you

[@yourlocalfairyhere]

This is a super important reminder thank you! It’s like the standard way of measuring if it’s modest enough, may Allah make it easier for all of us

[@Karenkyliev]

im a Chinese girl in New Zealand so this isn't the most relatable to me but my am I glad I watched this. love this video!

[@CH-jj8wk]

English Secular Buddhist here and same - so interesting!

[@sommerset6538]

A Russian in Italy... was very interesting for me for some reason 🙈

[@elizabethzelaya6710]

Same here! I’m Latino and American but this video was definitely interesting and informative!

[@user-nk2op2zy2h]

I have a question, but I don't want it to be taken the wrong way. I feel like if I were to ask any community, this would be the one to do it in. I get confused by hijabis who do make-up tutorials (or who just wear a lot of make-up in general, tight-fitting but "modest" clothes, etc.)... doesn't that just defeat the point of wearing the hijab? If you cover yourself so that people can look past your physical appearance to focus on your mind, as a sign of humility, and as a representation of where you are spiritually with God....why go out of your way to highlight what you *can* show? Are "modest" fashion, makeup, and hijab wrapping styles just a different package of the vanity that putting on the hijab is supposed to avoid? It's an honest question, I'm not trying to be a jerk, I promise. I don't know how else to ask it but that way. I hope I didn't offend anyone.

[@NA-bb3bq]

Hi :) To cut a very long answer short, you are correct in what you’re saying. Islamically, we shouldn’t over-beautify ourselves yet unfortunately that’s all we see on social media with all of these influencers and even ‘regular’ Muslims. If I’m not mistaken, the majority of scholars believe that makeup is not allowed to be worn outside where non-male family members will see you. Other scholars say that minimal makeup to cover blemishes etc. is allowed to be worn but I emphasise the word ‘minimal’ because that’s all it should be. Unfortunately we are in the state that we’re in and the hijab and it’s meaning has been lost. Men must also observe their hijab and they too often take it too far on social media. Thank you for your question, what you’re saying is highly logical. I will add however that this life is a test and there are temptations and desires all around. It’s not easy going onto social media and seeing all of these flawless people caked in makeup and wearing revealing clothes when you yourself are trying to observe the hijab physically, in your mannerisms and internally. May Allah (God) keep us all on the straight path and not be led astray.

[@user-nk2op2zy2h]

@@NA-bb3bq Thanks so much!!

[@NA-bb3bq]

@@user-nk2op2zy2h No worries xx

[@m-5973]

Agreed 100% It’s frustrating tbh. Hijab is meant to be loose, plain, and un-eyecatching. Allah literally says in the Quran that women shouldn’t show their beautification and adornments to anyone other than women and male relatives. Unfortunately our sisters wrap their hair up in a turban or small hijab that doesn’t go over their bosoms like it should, and then proceed to adorn and beautify themselves to the max! It’s saddens me honestly. The real hijab is something you throw on over your home clothes- ie. incredibly loose and unattractive. The outfits they come up with shouldn’t be worn outside in public!

[@dokyeooomm]

Sister you are dead on right. 90% of ‘hijab i’ fashion violates the conditions of hijab

[@ma_niz]

Hijab fashion brands like Haute Hijab and Vela helped me keep my hijab on and make me feel confident. The fabrics that were being sold by aunties at mosques pilled real bad and fit terribly. For me its not about fashion, it’s more about preventing migraines with breathable caps and scarves and for feeling beautiful in modesty. Also, other than my hijabs, I buy my clothes second hand because I feel guilty in front of God for buying clothes that support genocide or slave labor.

[@kaykay56]

What brands support these terrible things? I’m torn because I need clothes but I feel guilty buying it if it’s child labour but as someone who doesn’t have money like that I feel like my choices are limited.

[@danamoo.]

@@kaykay56 brands like nike, shein, adidas, etc etc. you can look up “unethical clothing brands” for more brands. and its a great idea to buy second hand!!

[@danamoo.]

The most unethical clothing companies are mainly popular multinational and e-commerce brands like *_Victoria’s Secret, GAP, Fashion Nova, Uniqlo, Forever 21, Nike, Adidas, Disney, H&M_* that have been exposed to multiple unethical practices - including labor exploitation and/ or forced labor. *Abercrombie & Fitch* was called out in a 2018 report entitled “Labour Without Liberty” for sourcing garments from factories where workers are subjected to modern slavery conditions. And sure enough, it has been identified as benefiting from Uyhgar(muslims!!) forced labor. *_Hollister_* - discriminated against the disabled. *_adidas and nike_* “using cheap production via sweatshops and child labor to become the multinational corporation it is today. Indeed, it seems that all corporate-brand sportswear garments are made by exploiting workers and ignoring basic human rights.“ Inditex has eight brands under its umbrella that all work on the same business model: fast fashion that keeps their cost basis down with virtually any measure possible - many unethical and/ or unsustainable. Inditex brands include: *_Bershka, Pull & Bear, Stradivarius, Oysho, Massimo Dutti, Uterqüe, Zara, Zara Home_* These are all only a small fraction of the companies that use unethical and inhumane practices. i got all of this information from impactful.ninja/most-unethical-clothing-companies/

[@danamoo.]

@@kaykay56 i wrote a summary of more brands to avoid that use unethical and/or inhumane practices to manufacture their clothing. i bolded and italicized the companies so they would be easier to find

[@MC-tl5bf]

@@kaykay56 most

[@Ksahdia]

I remember reading a hadith once that we as Muslims should dress in lovely clothes, just not in clothes which attract too much attention. I just Googled it, to check if I remember wrong (I read it in the era of books and no internet for mainstream use). And yes, it's correct. How reliable is the hadith? I don't know, look it up. We can't trust all ahadith of course, especially not if they are the opposite of what the Quran teaches. We should also remember that anyone who does anything religious, has to do it from their own heart and not to show other people. otherwise they don't get rewarded. Forcing people in certain clothes won't help them become better Muslims. It has to be their own choice. And of course the Quran tells us there is no compulsion in religion. And how to dress modestly? There is no 1 correct answer. We are allowed to interpret this in different ways, as long as it's within Islamic boundaries. The Quran doesn't specifically say 'never show your face' or ' wear gloves' or ' no duputta (Pakistani scarf) allowed' etc. We shouldn't forget that being modest is about more than clothing, it's also about our behaviour. I've seen people in burka's with horrible bullying attitudes, so their dressing in burka certainly doesn't make them a better muslim then people without a burka who don't bully.

[@Boilmyovaries]

Well said sister god bless

[@fefey2202]

No the Quran ``doesn't specifically say 'never show your face' or ' wear gloves' `` but that doesnt mean anything. The Quran doesnt tell us neither `` say this during sujood```or `` bend over like this with your hands on your knees`` but it absolutely does not give us the reason to pray however we ``interpret``. The same way we rely on the Sunnah to pray, after the Quran has given us the order to pray, we rely on the Sunnah to know how to wear hijab, after the Quran has given us that order. Its very clear in the Sunnah, from the shuykh work, the conditions that makes hijab complete. As long as women stay within these boundaries, then they are dressing modestly, according to Islam. There is no need to interpret further than that, the same way there is no need to interpret salat further than what the Sunnah taght us.

[@Ksahdia]

@@fefey2202 True, it doesn't. However the Quran does specifically tell us to cover our bossoms, yet does not specifically mention our hair. That is interesting to me. The sunna tells us there actually are different ways to interpret SOME ways to do something. I remember a hadith about ways to do salaat when you are traveling somewhere, when the travellers came to our prophet (saww), one said he had completed salat during the journey, praying the shortened version allowed when traveling. The other traveller said he praid after returning from that journey. The prophet (saww) allowed both ways of the travellers. Both interpretations of salaat while travelling were fine. There are more examples of how Allah has allowed us to interpret some ways of doing something. Not everything of course. To me that is logical. Islam is for all cultures, all ages, exactly because you can interpet some ways of doing something. No, you can't interpret everything as you wish, and nobody said you could or you should.

[@rdflower7025]

@@Ksahdia covering the head is mentioned (the verse translated into English doesn't say hair from what I read). And Allah knows best.

[@aishaarshadalam3412]

@@Ksahdia Covering the hair and head is definitely a part of hijab. 1400 years of Islamic scholarly wisdom and knowledge and that fact is not disputed as a part of hijab. This is where you fall short when you say you can "interpret" Quran in your own ways. The Prophet pbuh is the one who interpreted the Quran for us, he was the practical application of Quran in daily life. He was very clear on hijab covering the hair and head for women. Aisha ra stated many authentic hadith on this where the Prophet pbuh said hijab for a woman must cover all her body except her face and hands. And on top of that we look at the sahaba and the Muslims of the 1st four generations after the Prophet pbuh because they were the best at living Islam as it was taught to them by the prophet pbuh and the sahaba wore hijab with their heads covered. Aisha ra and the wives of the Prophet pbuh covered their heads as part of hijab. The Muslim women companions at the time wore hijab by covering their heads. We use Quran and sunnah both to live Islam. Some things are absolutely clear. Hijab is one of them. And the Quran actually does describe hijab for us. The word used is khimar and it is a type of garment that the women in Arabia used to wear. It was a veil that covered the head and hair and the long ends were flung back over their shoulders and hung down the back. Essentially khimar is similar to a hat. If someone says make sure you cover your ears with your hat the covering of the head is automatically implied because that is the function of the hat. Noone would put a hat dangling off their ear and say its still being used a hat. That's just ridiculous. Drawing the garment over the chest is mentioned in the Quran and that is the reason behind it, the khimar was always used to cover head and hair but instead of covering the chest it was flung backwards. It's historical fact and can be looked up easily. A surface reading of Quranic verses is illogical and can lead you to "interpret" in a useless and stupid way. In the worst case scenario it can lead to sin. Hijab is an obligatory act of worship like prayer. Observing it incorrectly because you interpreted it the way you like can lead to sinning. We had the Prophet pbuh for a reason. The Message is not seperate from the Messenger.

[@kinn4086]

The scrutiny brown women face from other Muslims is something I can speak to personally, and it is absolutely stifling. The pressure weighs on you, and in many homes you aren't given the freedom to choose your own clothing so making the decision to buy for quality is not available.

[@zahraakadhem9913]

I swear its so common for even strangers to approach just to reprimand you for wearing smth they deem immodest. Brown women are scrutinized from all sides, by their own for not wearing enough and by others for wearing too much.. even in the west these days white women who see brown women wearing revealing clothing try to remind them of what their family or other muslims would think of them. It's really unbearable sometimes

[@Bimtavdesign]

I'm not a Muslim or hijabi or even dress what you'd call modestly ... But I love your content and I think the analysis you're doing here with the people you invited is super important and relevant.

[@flutterg1035]

Same here!

[@younce-davis952]

14:42 I come from a poor family who buys for longetivity. We wear it even after it falls apart (or until a pandemic hits, I gain 20 pounds then can't fit into any of my clothes anymore but these clothes go to catholic charities) then we use the clothes for oil rags for my dads garage (he is a mechanic). The fact people buy clothes for one time usage is absolutely absurd to me! That money is precious and can be used for things that help you live. If it is spare cash why not do something fun like go out with friends.

[@rosea2350]

I remember when Target rolled out very long and modest dresses and everyone made fun of them. But I was finally able to buy something modest in a store instead of online. 🥴

[@azh.a.2618]

I love how your lipstick matches your scarf

[@sasak369]

When I was in school in the 2010s, I noticed the hijabi girls in my classes were some of the most fashionable, maybe in a “limitation breeds creativity” kind of way. I thought it was very cool that they had these rules to work within, but were really making it look great. I’m also part of an alternative fashion community where dresses are almost across the board knee-length and the normal look is for the knees and calves to be exposed or wearing stockings/tights, so some hijabis opted to wear jeans/other non-tight-fitting pants under their skirts to maintain their desired level of modesty. Some nonmuslims would say they’re doing the fashion wrong, they’re not following the rules, but I think it’s great they found a way to adapt the style to their needs!

[@Mila-qm5gy]

would this fashion be lolita by any chance? because im a hijabi who really wants to wear the fashion one day and im worried that wearing pants would ruin the look or have other lolitas tell me that im wearing the fashion incorrectly which kinda discourages me from wearing it

[@milkchocolate6719]

Loved all the different insights! I also feel a lot of people only value a Muslim girl's modesty when she's a hijabi. As a non-hijabi who tries hard to live and dress modestly, It's difficult because the Muslim community never takes their religious insights seriously because "you don't even wear a hijab". I've never even seen any non-hijabis (different from ex-hijabi) muslim youtubers. It can make you feel left out in the Muslim community and the western community because you don't fit into either they way they want you to. Would love to hear your thoughts on this if it ever comes up. Love the channel!!

[@aphrodite2417]

Milkchocolate I have problem with that too as a non-hijabi

[@leila9284]

Daniela m biah is a non hijabi muslim youtuber if you haven't heard of her before!

[@AnnaBell033]

FashionBreed, she’s a South African blogger who is also non-hijabi

[@astrid5126]

There are also the Asad sisters' channels (Loren and Amanda specifically I think)

[@milkchocolate6719]

Thanks for the suggestion guys! I'll definitely check them out!

[@z2arshad]

Thank you for talking about Shein!! I will never buy Shein or it's likes because of my hatred for what China is doing to the Uyghurs. I try to also check tags for other clothing too to make sure it's not china made. It's very tough-being hijabi and already having so many restrictions, but i feel like that's the least I can do to oppose what's happening there. And fine I might have to pay a little extra but I won't die if I don't get that cute top.

[@angelkingsley5299]

As a Jewish man person dresses more modestly, I definitely agree. No industry or identity has escaped from Male gaze, sexualization, objectification, and/or capitalism. I feel like Spiritual value(just like style) has to be personal and tailored to your identity. I hate to see the amount of modest, Jewish fashion bloggers/women spreading hatred.

[@mafame6767]

I will never understand how people try to force a certain idea of ​​hijabis fashion. like certain looks for hijab, certain clothes, certain aesthetics... Why? Hijabi women come from different cultures, ethnicities, countries so of course their approach to the hijab will be different. As a Kuwaiti woman, even though the countries around us (Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, the Emirates, Qatar, Oman, Iraq) are very similar to our culture, but we can differentiate between Kuwaiti, Saudi, Emirati, and Omani women by the way they wear the hijab, abaya, and sometimes even the niqab, everyone has a certain aesthetic and approach for the hijab, so hijab is no longer just a religious symbol, it's also a national symbol and cultural identity for some countries. So stop disrespecting many cultures that have molded the hijab according to their culture and environment by trying to force a certain image of the hijab for fashion reasons.

[@my_favourite_commenter]

Selling our “Pre-loved” items is a huge thing in Malaysia/Indonesia. So, nothing is going to be wasted or stays in the closet for centuries.. Re-Use 🔁 Re-sell. Stay Fashionable and Stay Modest.

[@mariyah64]

You’re up there as one of the very few KZbinrs that manages to navigate such nuanced conversations with so much respect and consideration! Thank you for having me too!

[@AM-kq6tv]

Honestly, for some that I have seen in the Umrah, it has become an “I am better than you” thing in some of the communities…I’ve also seen some reverts who have put on the scarf and gotten lots of very unwanted attention and then have taken it off in order to stop the unwanted attention to only later be bashed

[@AM-kq6tv]

By unwanted I mean proposals and flirting from muslim men and this person was married

[@lenab.m.3708]

Exactly the hijab doesn't hide the beauty it is to me only a symbol of "differentiation" and that's why i am against it. I am not a muslim, clicked the video because I am interested in modest fashion.

[@skreemsama850]

She did the right thing taking it off when it's driving more attention from such men and it literally says in the Quran: ذلك أدنى أن يُعرفن فلا يؤذين..

[@basmalasaad3039]

*Ummah

[@mcarter99]

I am a non-religious white woman who has also benefited from modest fashion coming to the mainstream. I am someone who prefers to dress modestly because that is what makes me feel empowered and comfortable. I have watched many Muslim women KZbinrs and have felt empowered to dress how I feel most comfortable, not how I am told I should. I think there is a really toxic idea that all women feel empowered by the same things and that if you don't want to wear revealing clothing you are either religious or insecure. If you are not religious like me it is like you are broken because you don't feel comfortable in revealing clothing, and the expectation is that rather than wearing clothes you are comfortable in, you are supposed to force yourself to get comfortable wearing revealing clothing. I feel like when I wear modest clothing, I have control over what people do and don't see when it comes to my body. In more revealing clothing that control is taken away. It is not that I feel ashamed of my body or hate my body, but I want to control who sees what. That control over my image and how I am seen is empowering to me because as a child and teenager, I never felt like I had that control. I think society and feminism need to realize that not all women feel empowered by the same thing and there is no universal female experience.

[@DiamondsRexpensive]

God bless you 🙏 people shouldn't be told to do something they don't want to do.

[@user-youdontknowme]

This hits hard yet again. I wanted to start a modest clothing business, with actual modest, simplistic clothing. But to call it modest fashion always felt wrong to me. Modesty is not supposed to be 'fashion'.

[@CH-jj8wk]

Could you call it something like modest wear? I just know there's a market for that, but you shouldn't be put off because of this bad stigma. Work around it or roll with it and redefine it!

[@user-youdontknowme]

@@CH-jj8wk Thank you so much. I do not have to resources to start it right now, but one day InshaAllah I will.

[@Ari-bz8go]

How about just “Modesty”

[@ThEsiLhOuEtT3]

I'm looking to buy modest clothes. I pray you set this up InshaAllah and become successful.

[@user-youdontknowme]

Thank you so much for such encouraging comments. InshaAllah I won't give it up! :)

[@zaynabidrees6631]

My comment will probably be left unnoticed, but I wanted to say, I’ve seen comments talking about how you shouldn’t look for representation. But when I was little there was no representation for me, to the point where now, as an older human being, I watched a cartoon with a hijabi and nearly cried. Representation matters, and helps people feel more comfortable in their own skin. Just wanted to get this off my chest.

[@mariam_0914]

You’re a gift for Muslim women of all ages. This stuff needs to be spoken about more. Fashion, money or fame, anything that starts to overpower religion itself is a new mainstream issue. And I think various influencers have felt that line being crossed or threatened. It’s imperative we internalize the purpose of every single thing we do on a daily basis. It Keeps life religion and purpose in check. Keep up the good work Tazzy! Let’s hope more generations build substance over just fashion (outward appearance) and never the other way around. There’s nothing wrong with style and beauty, just don’t start justifying lines you may cross.

[@captainkaizo3824]

Influencers got threatened? by who?

[@barelyadoctor3369]

your point about the lack of diversity is something that I've felt for so long but no one ever spoke about so thank you for talking about it

[@starcherry6814]

No matter if it falls under the strict guidelines of hijab or not I will always be happy to see people just dressing modestly in a world where everybody wants to see women naked

[@shaista9938]

Modern Hijabis have challenges to face the " barbie complex"

[@slytherinspy]

When hijabi influencers take off their hijab, I'm not upset because they took it off (because it's a personal reason). I'm upset because they've built an empire and made money off hijabs/hijabi fashion and are taking it off seemingly for further opportunities they weren't given while wearing a hijab.

[@ye23.]

Why are you so worried about a fellow sister’s bank account? People change overtime. So, she built a career off being a hijabi, who cares? She was a hijabi then she isnt now. If anything she will lose her follower base because her main followers are muslim hijabi women. Trying to crack into the mainstream non hijab market is even more difficult because its highly saturated. So if anything, she is losing money. Worry about your own coins sis

[@fatimaxo4885]

What evidence is there that a hijabis grows her base because of hijab ... non hijabis grow their base and it has more to do with their content. The influencers I follow that have removed their hijab did not start off with the intention of eventually removing it. If you follow their journey from the beginning, then you’d know they went through a journey so your statement is quite inaccurate. Why would anyone grow a base that’s interested in hijabis only to remove it, knowing it would offend and cause follower loss? I don’t know of any influencers who’s account blew up because they removed the hijab... if anything it caused backlash but it was their choice and we shouldn’t assume things, people go through changes whether it’s one way or another.

[@co-xv3lo]

That doesn't make sense just bc she wore hijab doesn't mean she was using it for money.

[@user-ey4do9nl4r]

@@fatimaxo4885 the evidence is that they’re followers are mainly hijabi women looking to them for modest fashion and stuff. i don’t think they plan to remove it i think the haram police push them away and coupled with wanting to be more appealing for brands. i hope Allah helps these sisters on their journeys and makes it easier for them. as someone who struggled with hijab and to be honest is still struggling with it i will never criticise anyone for their way of wearing their scarves or not wearing it but will only pray for them.

[@fatimaxo4885]

@@user-ey4do9nl4r right I agree with you. My sister is a hijabi and she’s always hoping I come onboard but if it’s not coming from my heart And I don’t have the strength to do it then I’d rather not put on a facade for anyone either. I was forced to wear it when younger and have had bad memories associated with it but I can only hope I overcome that. A close friend of mine that is a convert took on hijab... but lost a job and many friends/family. She is a single mom with 2 girls, and whether others see it wrong or not the right thing for her was to let go of it so she can work and not be harassed. It’s upsetting when non Muslims bully us for wearing it but that’s expected of them, what’s not right is when Muslims bully anyone for not wearing or removing it. We are the ones that cross the lines because we know these things can further drive a person away from Islam.

[@mariambazzi2729]

I personally feel like the modest fashion world is just a buzzword to attract Muslim women since options are limited in general anyway (especially in the west. I always wait until winter to buy my clothes to have access to long sleeve clothing). Most bloggers do not really fulfil what modesty encompasses and that also includes the social aspect of hijab. The glamorisation of fashion as a means of expression rather than gaining nearness to god means that the essence of hijab and modesty is lost. On the other hand, although fashion can be a great vehicle for representation, it merely seems like bloggers are just looking at western trends and adapting them to suit a more palatable hijabi model to suit the western eye. I’m yet to find anyone that is unapologetically hijabi and does not fall victim to these western fashion expectations

[@mimim6015]

girl, like what is the problem.. why ru shunning people for expressing themselfs through modesty, or having fun with their fashion by combining western fashion standards.. like it feels like people are just making problems out of nothing

[@m-5973]

@@mimim6015 tbh it’s obvious a lot of these women don’t meet the requirements for modesty and hijab. Express yourself through fashion at home and around your mahrams. It’s easier that way since you don’t have to keep up hijab restrictions around them. Outside in public when you do need to keep up those restrictions, you shouldn’t be dolled up like a lot of these sisters are.

[@mimim6015]

@@m-5973 ​ @M Dolled up like how, their still following modesty requirements their just doing so with color, and with a certain style. This is the point where it becomes toxic. Like your shunning people for expressing themselves with fashion, which is possible with modest clothing.

[@SS-cu8se]

I agree with your comment but I also feel like western culture is still a culture and it’s ok for Muslims who grew up in the west to adapt to that culture (while still adhering Islamic guidelines), just like it’s ok for people to wear clothing that comes from Arab culture, Pakistani culture, African culture etc.

[@rue_2pm75]

@@mimim6015 she’s just stating her opinion, what’s so wrong with that? And it’s true tho, a lot of Muslims these days focus to much on their fashion that they start to lose a real sense of modesty based on what Islam tells us and then it just becomes haram, and it’s being prompted so much that it affects the youth and the image of Muslims as a whole, so it’s something to be cautious about

[@salampakistan3691]

I remember I had a marriage proposal, my parents were there. The religious brother looked at me as I wore full black hijab and abaya, kohl only on eyes. He said he preferred the college hijabis. I wondered what he meant, then reality set in, he was referring fashionista hijabis, the hipsters....that was annoying, this happened couple of times...lol

[@NNaadah]

Well, I'm sorry that happened to you. I hope you don't feel badly about yourself over that. A lot of people judge only by what they see on the outside. I have an ironic story on the other side of your experience. I'm a female American military veteran. My life has been full of both terror and adventure. I'm also a widow at this point and about 8 years ago; I went back to school at a very traditional college. Most of the rest of the students were between 18 and 25 years old. I was in my 40's. I was also in a car accident so I walk with crutches. Now I've been wearing head scarves and modest clothing probably for about 20 years. I like modest style because it is the most comfortable to my personal taste. I'm not Muslim, although a lot of people think that I am by the way I dress. I also like "westernized" Middle-Eastern type looking style; and I have a lot of clothing from Shukr. So I do get a lot of "Salaam Alaikum"s". And I just "Salaam" people back; although I'm Christian. But I will usually tell people that, if I get into a conversation with them. Well, the college campus was quite the experience. I had more than a few Muslim young men come up and talk to me because I looked like that "western hijabie fashionista". One of these fellows was in one of my classes and we had quite an interesting conversation on the way to (I think it was a science lab). Well at that point; I'd asked him how old he was. And when he told me; I told him that I have a son who was about 5 years younger than he was. He was utterly shocked and looked at me like it wasn't exactly registering what I was saying. Then I told him that I was old enough to be his momma! And he honestly didn't know what to do with that. After that, he'd be polite and say hello if he saw me; but clearly he wasn't interested any more. LOL. I'm an American widowed war veteran with a teenage son of my own. It's not like he was going to take me home to meet his parents. So, I want to encourage you; that there is another side to your experience. Don't feel badly about yourself and your own convictions because you run into men who are more interested in "fashionista flashy". That's not your problem. It's theirs. You do you the way you see fit and follow your own convictions. This world is a strange place and humans are weird in a lot of ways. Be you girl!

[@salampakistan3691]

@@NNaadah I did not really let it effect me but I can see it effecting other girls. I have always been really been more on the spiritual side in wearing the hijab then for fashion or it being socially acceptable. Alhamdullah, I was not going to go backwards in a practice of islam and my hijab for a men anyway. I basically stuck with the plainer hijabs and abayas and now wear a burqa style without veil as I always felt at home and peace with my hijab and prayer aswell as worship. I ended up with a very religious husband who is similar to me, we both love the connection we have with Allah swt, he an imam. I usually do extra prayers, do extra fast ontop of ramadan, I usually fast mondays and thursday during the week etc. I rather do things for Allah swt then for people let alone men. I do love spirituality and praying, always have and always will, the peace in the soul and tranquility is greatest thing to experience, complete contentment in my heart. People search for this all their lives, i have it in abundance alhamdullah i.e all praise be to Allah swt.

[@NNaadah]

@@salampakistan3691 -Glad you and your husband are happy! May you be blessed with eternal peace!

[@Karawoolfe]

I agree with the body type thing 5:37 only skinny girls can afford wearing everything and make it fashionable and modest, I am pear shaped plus size and tall, 173 cm 76kg, all you can see is my hips an butt, to make it modest I look like a hippo....so I can't get modesty and fashion at Same time

[@Karawoolfe]

@slate grey I don't agree but simply because modest means two different things for us, if you think a belt on a 3abaya makes it not modest than we are talking different concepts

[@billie4767]

@@Karawoolfe putting a belt on an abaya is making it immodest though. Islam has put forth conditions for the hijab and one of them is that the woman’s body shape is not clearly seen. I’m heavier than you and with your body shape too and I wear oversized abayas and make sure my hijab covers my chest. If you google conditions of the hijab you can find it, it’s difficult to follow it from the jump as it is for me as well 🥲 (inshaAllah we’ll get there soon) but the whole ‘modesty means different things for different people’ doesn’t align with Islam. We hear and we obey ( but ofc we normalize struggling )

[@Kat_Rat1998]

this subject needs to be in a 10 part series. I love this subject. Each question can be a podcast episode.

[@NeverLoveNiila]

This showed up randomly on my recommended. I am a white woman in Germany, on the other side of the globe and I'm not Muslim or even religious. But I am a teacher who teaches people language and a lot of my students come from Muslim cultures. Thank you for giving me a glimpse into your and your peers world and thoughts so I can maybe understand my students better. This was so thoughtful and compassionate to everyone's individual experience while also being informative and a good lesson. This way of teaching is what I strive for as a teacher. Keep up the good work!

[@Kalooookalay]

This was very eye-opening. A lot of points made were not things that I had ever thought of before as a Muslim consumer. This video was very insightful! Thank you!

[@Anna-fw7lm]

I'm italian and buddhist and I think that the form we have shouldn't be judged by itself. In the natural world, within plants and animals, embellishments are purposely used as a representation of the creation itself, its potential and its (we use here the word 'beauty' but I think the meaning may be slightly off) balance, elegance, its flow. Humans adorn themselves as a way to celebrate, to connect themselves with the outside world, to show emotions with a specific purpose in mind. So I think modesty is a trait you can pick that has the same value of other traits, and not choosing it doesn't make you less then...because is not what you do, it's how you do it (or why). An example: you can see a dressed person completely self involved, rude, arrogant, who doesn't really care for others, and you can see another person who's naked in the nature, self involved, connecting themselves by maybe taking a bath in the river (it's very cold, I know XD) and perceive their gentleness, their respect, their involvement with just living the moment in the most tranquil way they can. I know that we're often raised to be susceptible to distractions, and the more something is loud or eye catchy, the more we tend to drift into frivolous thoughts, but...isn't our responsibility how strong our mind is? And what if you reached the point that being flashy isn't distracting you to your spirituality? A concept I really like from buddhism is: it's when you can do without something, that you can do with it. If you feel the need to do or to have something, that will affect you (positive or negative) so be careful because your need for purity or evil are both strong needs that can deteriorate your state of mind (or your soul) How many people talk about good and use it to judge, to push away or bully others? It's when you're able to detach from any kind of external symbols (as how we dress for example) that you can start to put your own meanings into things whichever form they have, because it's in your mind first and there's no struggle to 'adapt' because everything is accepted and valued the same, and you can navigate through every distraction possible because you're steady. My opinion on society is that whenever you consume constantly and on purpose too much or too little, you miss something you can only reach with balance. The constant search for validation, in both end of the spectrum, it's a symptom that something's wrong within. To be serene (and I'm not using 'happy' for a reason) the best way is to just be balanced, to let go of things, and let go of ourselves, we'll always be 'evil and good' , 'selfish and altruist', etc, the point is accept it with a pacified mind. If you accept everything the struggle will end and you can just live and, eventually, be a positive example for other to follow on their own terms, everyone is responsible only to their own path. This discussions are always very interesting.

[@sachi4895]

This was very interesting to read, thanks :0

[@aishaarshadalam3412]

Speaking from a Muslim perspective, we aren't just here to be responsible for our own path. We are here to fulfill our purpose which is worshipping the Creator to the best ability possible and to help one another along the way. We are here as a test, this is a temporary life for us and our end goal is in the hereafter. What that end goal is depends on how we lived this life. So as Muslims we believe that we have been given guidance to help us achieve a successful end goal and there are some things which the Creator is absolutely clear on. Behaviour is important, yes, but what is on the inside should reflect on the outside and our Creator has told us what is acceptable behaviour and acceptable dress. Clothing is extremely important, it has the power to affect people on psychological level. The way you dress affects how others perceive you as well. Just because someone may have bad behaviour does not necessarily mean that their clothing is irrelevant. It probably means they need to work on their behaviour but not necessarily to the expense of their clothing. I agree with many of your points but like I said as Muslims we are here to achieve an end goal, we have one chance, so we can't afford to ignore or dismiss our Creators instructions.

[@randomnyss2011]

Any religion dictating and really aggressive about what you wear is very stifling. I mean if a piece of attire or metal was a thing then many religion would be impossible to followed before scientific ways of stitching , metallurgy and affordable clothes were made available to the masses. There are lot of examples from different religion across the world , it simply baffles me. There are a lot of other serious problems to be solved and lot of many great things to be done than debating over what I put on my body. Let alone causing so much of stress for one particular gender and whole identity based around it.

[@aishaarshadalam3412]

@@randomnyss2011 Not sure about the metal thing. As for dictating how someone should dress, from an Islamic perspective, the Creator has every right to command his creation in how they should behave and act and dress. He does so only for their good and benefit. Covering yourself is an act of worship and the person who does so will be rewarded for their efforts. It's not a punishment or a restriction. It's a way for a person to achieve eternal reward in the hereafter.

[@RoseRamblesYT]

I think some big takeaways that anyone can implement is 1) (and this is a big one) buy less, 2) if you can invest in pieces that you can enjoy for many years, and 3) take care of what you have already to help them last. These ideas can be applied to pretty much anything in your life.

[@fancyorangemittens]

I'm from Wyoming, so I've never been much into fast fashion-- Most of my clothes are also secondhand, but that's just because poor lol. That said, it's hard because I have Grave's Disease, so my weight changes easily and rapidly, loss and gain. I've also started covering my hair, not because of any religion or modesty, but because my hair is always falling out. I really appreciate your insight.

[@sabrinaeason996]

I have hypothyroid, and even that is brutal. I applaud you for making the best of it and hope that you with you hardships you find moments of ease.

[@w3purity3]

I stopped buying from "affordable" online apps because they're Chinese based for Uyghurs' sake. The least we can do. One day I'll be Chinese-free Inshallah

[@assiyab]

May Allah reward you. We should also avoid brands like H&M and Zara. I think we should be more conscious of the way we consume in general.

[@w3purity3]

@@assiyab Even French ones. Those are for sure boycotted,and yes we should be aware

[@assiyab]

@@w3purity3 May Allah make it easy on us, ameen !

[@hyeronymus]

Yes please!!

[@whynot6266]

It's not just clothing companies, we also have to avoid food and entertainment companies

[@dilbar09naz]

Tazzy! Thank you for this video! It is much needed. And that sweater immigrant killed me 😂😂😂

[@barelyadoctor3369]

I just want to say that I really love the way that you articulate your thoughts in such a way that your words flow well and you make people keep listening to what you have to say... always appreciate the hard work that you put in your videos

[@TheFatmou]

First of all thank you for your video it was a great insight into this whole concept of "modest fashion". I'd like to add that although this industry has certainly helped muslim women feel more confident in their attires in more western societies, it has replaced the initial true definition of modesty in accordance to Islam. I just recently had a wakeup call about the proper way of dressing of a muslimah, and I now see that these "hijabi modest bloggers" clearly propagate wrong. Muslim women should not try to over beautify themselves, if not at all, outside of their homes (or show themselves off to the world in inappropropriate attires) as this is the true way of modesty, and going against this principle is by default not modest. I feel like we have forgotten this as muslimas. The hijab is not just a piece of cloth on the head, it is the complete attire. Our sense of confidence should not be based on what the western societies promote, the but by what Allah has commended us. All of this in my opinion comes from a lack of religious understanding and/or lack of faith from the "hijabi bloggers" and from the audience as well. May Allah guide us all on the right path and fear disobeying Him Amine.

[@mrmohamed5494]

MashAllah sister may Allah bless you with a strong imaan !

[@NA-bb3bq]

Jazakillah khair for this, 100% agree.

[@StxpTheGenxcide]

In between all the comments, yours hit me specifically hard. In order to be accepted with my hijab by society, I try to beautify myself (I wear long wide skirts, and my hijab covers my hair back and chest, so I'd say I'm modest, BUT..) by taking what's trendy and combining it with a long skirt or sth. Yet, I do not feel comfortable in what I wear. You said that we can make ourselves beautiful at home. With me, it is the total opposite. From society's perspective, I look good when I'm outside, but at home I look like a beggar who just threw on every possible mismatching clothes which was in the closet. However, the thing is that I feel better and rebellious in the latter, because I want to be loved no matter how I look like. Nonetheless, I lack the courage to go out the way I dress at home (hella broad shalvar with flower patterns and long-sleeved sweatshirts with more patterns but different patterns and a different patterned headscarf combined with hairy legs and arms haha). I feel bad for not being honest and just like one of the women said: ~'We should wear the hijab for God and not for others' but it feels like the way I wear my hijab is for others, not even for me. Thus, I also hate to hear comments that when I marry, I cannot dress like I dress now at home. That means for me completely giving up my freedom. I'm modest at home and outside, yes, but I do it the wrong way. Outside dressed beautifully, at home dressed ugly, but again I have that making myself beautiful not really in me. Those "beautiful" clothes were mostly chosen by my sister. I feel a lot more free and happy in the "ugly" clothes. Then again, I feel like I contradict what our prophet (pbuh) said that muslims should be kempt (as a women, I interpret this as being hairless but I'm not sure if this applies to it), clean and simple/plain/modest (I interpret this as not wearing patterned but one color or matching clothes), but then again, I wonder if my interpretations of what our prophet (pbuh) said results from me being too much modern-society-influenced.

[@m-5973]

I recently had a wake up call too! I honestly cringe at my old photos of me in patterned midi dresses, with tight belts, and headscarf that is pulled back and doesn’t go down over my chest 🤦‍♀️ Alhamdulillah Allah woke me up and I stick to plain loose abayas and khimaars, and I am taking advantage of the pandemic, by keeping on a face mask. It’s a bit intimidating wearing niqaab here in the Netherlands so the face mask will do for now. Before I used to decorate myself when going out; and looking like a bum at home. But now it’s the other way around as it should be! And I wish our fellow sisters would do the same. It’s gotten so bad that some sisters sacrifice their whudu just to keep their make-up intact! May Allah protect us. Ameen

[@TheFatmou]

@@m-5973 mashaallah my sister ❤️❤️

[@museumghost]

omg love the art on the wall behind you, tazzy!

[@islamlover4ever1]

Tazzy your content is always so refreshing and honest. I genuinely enjoy your content and efforts to share stories important in our community 💗

[@aaliyahm7140]

It’s definitely hard these days. I love clothes, I love ‘fashion’ and self- expression through how I dress but it’s very difficult to strike a balance between modest and fashionable, mainly dressing to express myself whilst respecting my hijab.. I don’t think the phrase modest fashion is paradoxical, I think trying to fit modesty into current trends in clothing is.

[@popoffpeppar]

Just be an introverted hermit (buy modest clothes for public use and any clothes you want to wear in your house)

[@officialnyasa]

modest fashion has always been advertised to me with women who are skinny and tall. outfits are properly flowy on them and it truly looks modest. When i try to wear the outfits, it never truly worked. Im curvy and short and instead of being flowy it always brought attention to my figure. I had such a hard time with the idea of being modest bc whatever I did never worked. It still really hard for me to buy outfits that don't bring attention to my figure no matter how covering they are. I have stopped letting it bring me down tho because I realized that certain modest styles won't work but I can change other styles to work for me. it was a total process to figure out how to buy the right fitting clothes

[@randomrups2069]

I looooooove this format where you're sharing your own and also others' opinions. It sends a strong message that we can have dialogues about topics like these without having to agree on every single point.

[@patchworkpig89]

Tasneem, This was a wonderful video that was very thought-provoking and a good use of my time. I really like how you added your own concluding thoughts at the end of the video. It’s nice to hear you sum it up and give your own perspective after the interviews!

[@CMBStyling]

Thank you for having me on! This whole conversation was important and approached beautifully

[@rosacrawford9754]

Tazzy, you always understand the assignment! Thank you to you and the incredibly knowledgeable collaborators on sharing such valuable insights!

[@ishallremaincalm]

Tazzy, your videos are always eye opening. I love your approach to important and controversial topics like this one. Thank you 💛

[@muniraay]

It's the way this video popped up on my KZbin timeline at the exact time I was feeling disheartened with the modest fashion industry. Although you have touched up on so many key things, which I sincerely appreciate, there are still so many things that need to be unpacked here. There are so many problems with the modest fashion scene and I really hope we can have more conversations such as these. Absolutely looooved this video, Tazzy. Thank you so much for sharing! :)

[@Orooj]

This video was very interesting and this discussion on this topic was very needed!

[@una877]

Wow, I was very anti- buying anything fast fashion, but Maryam's point is very illuminating about how best to tackle the industry as an individual. Thanks Tazzy, fantastic effort put into this video 😊

[@raghadshukri5443]

I really appreciate that you bring various perspectives from different women, it's really eye-opening and added a lot to the video

[@jasminefremdehake2354]

Very well prepared and presented . Thank you for this episode .

[@mano-1996]

I don't understand why people overact when some women take off their hijab..like come on its their choice .. It's just as a person who prays 5 times a day stops praying 5 times a days rather just prays 4 timesca day now like come on... I hate hateee when people judge the other person like you don't know whst their journey is.. Stop judging....this might even drive them more far away from the religion... It is between them and Allah...

[@genevarockeman9721]

Loved the video. Such a good point near the end about imposing the position of spiritual leadership on people. In the christian community so many people attach themselves to the persona of a specific speaker or leader rather than their own faith journey. It's frustrating to watch. People are imperfect and can fail and performance of spirituality for the sake of performance itself is just... not it.

[@karamell5275]

Love this video♥️ Thats such an important topic and you did a great job 👏🏻

[@maabs4626]

I loved this video so much!!❤️❤️❤️ I actually watched all of it and enjoyed seeing different perspectives and opinions ❤️

[@thandi2229]

Love your videos! Thanks for sharing .

[@GraveyardMaiden]

Ex-mormon, here's my take on dressing modest and modest fashion. 1) What counts as modest is all subjective, like serious you can be in a sweatshirt and slacks and still be called a slut cause it's too tight. 2) It's all about men controlling how women express themselves, and not wanting to take responsibility for their own behavior. 3) How you look and dress does not equal your spiritual worth, you can be butt naked and be without a single sin. So considering these three things dress in what you want, and fuck those who try to make you feel less worthy for doing so.

[@kzn2412]

Superb topic. Love love this video so much. Good job Tasnim❤️

[@elshog]

Thanks for this video Tazzy! It was great hearing through it all

[@kellyannefitzgerald]

this was super interesting, thank you for sharing! I am not Muslim though I am a Christian/person of faith, and I always had a very tense relationship with the concept of modesty. It seems to be so often in reaction to what men's eyes see on a woman's body, and for me it was very important spiritually to move past "i must cover my body to not attract bad attention" (for all attention was bad) into "what i put on my body is whatever i make it to be." Aka it is myself who defines what my clothes are and who they are for, etc. I loved your comments about the problems with always needing new clothes. I'm someone who does feel that instinct of always wanting to keep up with the trends and wanting new things, new outfits, etc. I do think I need to shift my mindset a bit - to not be so influenced by trends, but I also think clothes are sort of like flowers. They are a beautiful thing that makes your life more beautiful - and if you always have the same flowers on your table, you stop seeing their beauty. Variety helps us to appreciate things. So I want to be more intentional about having seasonal closets - moving summer clothes into a separate space when fall comes, so that I can better appreciate my clothes' variety and different textures- without having to always purchase more. Being more intentional about a color/texture palette for a season helps too - if your clothes for a season all match each other, and you don't have a random top that only works with one skirt, you are less likely to impulsively purchase new things to match specific items (which is how you end up with a million things, and they all don't really match each other). And i think different people are built with different relationships with clothes. I am very much a butterfly- I would love to look back on my life in pictures when I am old, and to see "oh, that was the year i wore only green." "oh- what a mistake those shoulder pads were!" "the pink eyeliner phase!" and so on, and so on. The idea of staying in the same outfits for many years makes me feel sad and small-there is so much fullness and beauty and vibrance and diversity out there in fashion. So many different techniques and embroideries and color combinations. Textures and different cultures. It's one of the most magnificent pieces of living, moving art work we participate in as a culture, and I definitely don't want to swear off of it as some kind of spiritual asceticism (though like I said, everyone has a different relationship with clothes and spirituality!). thanks for this video, I can't wait to check out all of your other content!

[@karenramnath9993]

Loving your comment! If I may add something about modesty... I think there are different kinds of attention. I personally would not dress in a way that would attract sexual attention. But I will dress attractively. (I am aware that some pervs will look at a woman lewdly no matter how she is dressed. That’s not my fault if I’m not dressed “sexy”) I don’t think it’s wrong to dress attractively/ beautifully. God made women in such a way that they could be beautiful without being overtly sexy.

[@dm_1236]

Can we also talk about modest fashion that is not "modest" at all? For example, what is the point of covering your hair and arms and legs, when your clothes are extremely tight and clinging to your entire silhouette?

[@NA-bb3bq]

10000%, I was hoping this would be covered but it wasn’t. Also not to mention the very over the top makeup many of these influencers are doing which defeats the purpose of the physical hijab. May Allah guide us all

[@user-sw5xx1ey9e]

Not to mention when you advise, even nicely, people say don’t judge, etc. Yet, if it was another sin someone was committing in public they would speak out about it. Unfortunately it seems like some people care more about the rights amongst each other, or pick and choose the sins they are concerned about. And honestly sometimes the whole “don’t judge” comment comes from those who may be engaging in that same sin or something similar and feel some sort of defensiveness when they see it called out. May Allah allow us to see the truth for what it is and guide us to following it, and may He allow us to see the falsehood for what it is, and guide us to leaving it off and staying far away from it. Ameen.

[@azbaye324]

Or when they cover their hair but wear half sleeves like wth😶

[@zusae768]

Or when a part of the hair is covered and another part is left to be seen. The peak of it is when it's styled nicely. Like why would you specifically style the first few centimeters of your hair to be beautiful and then cover the rest with a scarf. Just why.

[@missmong12]

@@user-sw5xx1ey9e People nowadays say "don't judge me" as in "shut up and let me sin peacefully". I mean yes it's between you and God. But other people who have limited knowledge about Islam might think "oh this is how it is" when it's not especially when it's done by these so called influencers. It is an obligatory to prevent evil. This video is a bit off

[@nehabiswas7511]

THIS channel deserves much more subscribers!

[@NoNameNumberTwo]

I appreciate this conversation. Thank you.

[@Boilmyovaries]

I just discovered this channel and love how peaceful the community here is , peace be upon you sisters I would love to have friends like you guys here

[@gillsanober]

This discussion is 💯

[@tayyibahkhan1585]

Love this video love this idea of sharing thoughts CONTENT IS GREAT THANK U

[@duaawail3757]

I want to thank you for making this video, just having the conversation

[@saadiakhan2774]

Thankyou for the bit about contributing smartly to making sustainable fashion choices. I usually feel powerless confused about this.

[@zaidbk0659]

Jzklh for ur input .mashalah well said. Such an eye opener 💖

[@alishbaahmad2613]

The way this was addressed was amazing MashaAllah. I sometimes find fashion and modesty to be contrary to eachother especially with how mainstream fashion is nowadays. One of the main problems is when modest fashion coincides with fast fashion. Unethical practices, to using large quantities of water and polluting it, using third world countries as dump sites and the list goes on. As Muslims we should be careful of where we buy from, not get new clothes for no reason and we should use the clothes that we buy properly. When it comes to fashion it will make some feel included and alienate some. When I was in highschool I wore a long Hijab that covered me till my waist. A Muslim girl who didn't wear the Hijab had the guts to come up to me and ask me why I didn't wear the Hijab in a more fashionable way. I told her that this was my style and that Hijab is not about fashion but about modesty. I remember when I was going to high school in Pakistan all of a sudden lots of girls started wearing the Hijab. I got so happy and I started encouraging them and telling them that they look beautiful in their Hijabs. A months later all of their Hijabs came off and I was confused so I asked my friend who told me that it was trendy and in at that time. They were wearing it for fashion. I was so sad about that because the Hijab like everything else in Islam is not a trend and shouldn't be treated like one. I fear that some people are going to start seeing modesty through the eyes of fashion instead of the opposite. Drape yourself in righteousness and modesty for the benefit of yourself and pleasure of Allah not for fashion. Don't make fashion and people who are subject to change your role models. We know who our role models are. And never forget that you don't have to be fashionable to be modest. JazakAllah

[@StxpTheGenxcide]

Omg, right. The same happened with me. Dumb thing was that the non-Muslim girl asked me why I dress like that and not like my friend (tightly dressing and not wearing a headscarf but a hat instead with which she covered her hair only and sometimes, a shawl to cover her neck) in front of my friend. I didn't want to dash my friend by saying that what she wears is actually not the hijab Allah wants us to wear, but I just replied with something like "some wear it like that, some wear it like this". The non-muslim girl inferred from it that this results from our traditional differences and me being more conservative... kind of sad. A few months later, my friend took her headscarf off. Although it was just a sudden question of the non-muslim girl, I think that it impacted my friend way more, because she was aware that it was not modest.

[@freshnas1]

I really liked this video, would be good to see more like these on varied topics. One main thing I've realised after watching this is that I spend way too much on clothes (I'm by no means a fashionista), a lot of it goes to islamic clothes banks but it's way too often so I'm trying to do the thing of buying stuff I know I can wear year in year out, channelling my inner Kanye, simple modest outfit looks without the price tag though!

[@hnanetoo]

Thank you for this amazing video 👏🏼 lots of girls need to watch this 💯

[@beethovenn]

this is why tazzy is my favourite youtuber 😤

[@hauwaryou]

YESS thank you for making this Tazzy! I've noticed this conversation happening between the hijabi community on TikTok, happy to see it very well documented here!

[@SS-cu8se]

Can you list some hijabi tik tokers who have discussed this?

[@hauwaryou]

@@SS-cu8se I tried looking for some but I couldn’t find their username sorry! Should have favorited them!

[@SS-cu8se]

@@hauwaryou no worries, thanks for trying!

[@mariamx6676]

This is exactly what I needed, thank you

[@cakeeeetime]

I think this video is amazing! I learned a lot. Thank you :)

[@sayaa1600]

Great video Taz 👏 and so glad people are talking about this now. I feel to begin with the hijabi community never had any expectations of being accepted by mainstream fashion so the focus was always on the hijabi Muslim community and it was creative but practical and fitting within our ethos and spirituality. However as the movement became bigger, and western companies began to take notice of the Muslim dollar/pound and plagued them with brand deals that we started seeking validity from Western community. Suddenly we had a space in mainstream fashion, non Muslims were following these hijabi bloggers, the temptation became greater and the pressure to fit in even more so (since hijab was no longer a barrier. Or so it seemed) when you're chasing that level of success and adoration the temptation is too great and you reach your 'ceiling' It's very sad that many channels became hijabi only in name, as everything from fashion choices makeup and lifestyle seemed far from modest let alone Islamic. We created a monster, and whilst it's easy to say you shouldn't base your spirituality on vloggers who you haven't met, the whole of society is pushing this superficial ideal on social media so the next generation will be influenced by it. When it becomes a whole societal movement then it is our duty to speak up, be critical and protest and warn and advise each other before the rot sets in. Islam advocates a much higher ideal and standard in society then it does on a personal level because of the greater effect of the bad over the good once it becomes societally accepted. The impetus is on us to speak out and change the momentum or just like fast fashion we will have created a downward spiral where it will be very difficult to get out of. As a child I was one of a few who wore hijab, and whilst I felt the odd one out I always knew I was doing it for God and so didn't seek the accpetance of wider society as much as we do now. The change (even in me) who now wonders why people still dress 'tradiitonally' and with no fashion sense, outdated styles etc is scary. The pressure to fit in is Def more now and we risk slipping away from even the initial guidelines we used to follow (not showing hair, neck, not wearing figure hugging clothes, bright makeup etc) It's been nice to see us being represented and accepted and more variety online to purchase as well as inspo but unless you have strong foundations, it's a very slippery slope InshaAllah this will change, and with people like you and halima Aden etc being brave enough to go against the grain then iA there's a safe space for everyone

[@AyeshaSyed]

I have been watching you since almost 5-6 years and I love how your content has evolved. Hands down on of the most underrated channels on KZbin, and I have always felt it. Thank you Tasneem for this incredible video! "Either she thought I was a fashion blogger, or maybe Muslim creators are only known as modest fashion bloggers". I feel like it has become a stereotype 😁. Nothing wrong with it, I love getting inspo and some of them are really good at what they do, but I feel like we should diverge a bit.

[@yellowlemondrop000]

Tasneem. I love the topics you talk about ❤️.

[@memuna2barriebarrie891]

Loved this video ! Great content

[@jaciemokidm609]

I haven't yet finished this wonderful video, but YES to the first question! As soon as I started wearing hijab I ended up struggling with people's views on how hijab is supposed to look. And I've ever since had this pressure in the back of my mind to look "stylish" like all the other hijabi women, and even non-Muslims who don't wear hijab telling me about how "oh I've seen these modern styles that you'd look better in", etc etc. It isn't even only among women. Muslim men compare women by these modern modest criteria. Coupled with other topics you're about to get into, I have even found myself considering more conservative opinions like wearing all black, long abayas, and/or niqab. They just seem so appealing to get away from the standards and comparisons of beauty/fashion.

[@SS-cu8se]

I feel you on this. I am actually hoping to sew my own clothes because all of the styles I would see in Muslim clothing stores or western shops didn’t fit the style I like, which is loose and simple but still well put together. I feel like all these different ways to style hijab makes wearing hijab more stressful/adds more pressure to look a certain way tbh. It’s like hijabi fashion still somewhat objectifies us because soooooooo much emphasis is being put on our physical appearance even though hijab is suppose to empower us/remind us that we are more than that.

[@jaciemokidm609]

@@SS-cu8se perfectly said!! It's super difficult to shop here for clothes. Unless you're comfortable layering two or three times to get everything covered haha. I prefer simple, and it doesn't come with a lot of options in US stores most places.

[@sadiakhn01]

Very good discussion.

[@DanielaMBiah]

But modest Muslim fashion isn’t just for Hijabi’s and what about the Niqabis - I always feel so left out when it comes to these types of conversations 🥲🥲

[@DiamondsRexpensive]

How are you a niqabi....?

[@rses916]

You dont even wear hijab tho.

[@BigBangMemo]

Hey Taz, I love thi video, great job! You have a great vision, I love the way you structure your videos, you clearly put a lot of thought into, one thing that I think could make your videos more 'pro' is if you would set up your filming camera and film yourself when you're having the zoom calls with your guests, you could use the HQ video and audio in the video and just elevate the production quality to another level. Absolutly love your channel, may Allah grant you strenght and baraka to keep going

[@moroccangardens5170]

this was interesting... I like the dialogue and reflection, nice

[@shabnumtv9097]

I have young children, and what I want for my daughter is something I've thought long and hard about, with no easy answers/solutions. But I am also the Queen of Waffle, so please bear with me while I share. Everyone looks out of their own window, and modesty as a mindset, whether we choose to accept it or not, is actually relative across time and space. For example, it is completely acceptable for teen girls in Turkey to wear knee-length skirts, even though they wear hijabs (ie head scarves), and it is understood. It doesn't sexualise them, or undermine their faith. In Libya, particularly in rural settings, headscarves are not long, flowy items that drape round the neck and bosoms; they're worn bandana style, and this is how it's been for generations. Does that mean the women there are drawing attention to their anatomical "adornments"? No, it is understood. Their physical appearance is only a partial reflection of their spiritual journey. The Prophet SAW had items of fine clothing reserved for meeting delegations, even though it was commonly understood that he SAW was not wealthy. But as a servant of Allah and the representative of Islam, this is the image he SAW chose to project. Think about that. If the choices you make are not for Allah, then that is a problem. Does that mean I can't wear make-up? I can't get dressed up? I refer you back to the above example of the Prophet SAW. Your intention is what matters to Allah; if wearing make-up helps us to function more effectively FOR THE SAKE OF ALLAH, then bismillah. Does that mean our actions exist in a vacuum, that what we do has no impact on others, or the environment for that matter? Of course not. Our submission to Allah, and our remembrance of Him, is at the core of everything we do, and we have to project that in what we say and do, whether that's writing an essay for homework or taking a power nap or, in this case, adjusting the way we look. But it is also incumbent upon us ALL to educate and support women, young girls in particular, in accepting and loving themselves as Allah has made them, and not to subject ourselves to perceived standards of beauty. It is nothing less than a jihad to struggle against the need to feel validated by others. (I would like to address the environmental impact of the choices we make also, but it's probably more convenient to write a separate post specific to that, because that intersects more deeply with issues like supply chains and poverty, as Maryam Shahadeh alluded to). Equally, if, as a new Muslim (and I include those rediscovering their faith), I have trouble accepting restrictions on my clothing, my priority is establishing salah, on learning to realign my values and behaviours, because quite often that requires unlearning a lot of things we take for granted. Our submission to Allah is a process and, as much as the Qur'an exhorts us to dress modestly, it also recognises that faith is something that fluctuates, that some days are better than others; sometimes we might take a detour, but we are still journeying towards Allah, and we have to remind ourselves of that. EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. From another angle, Allah created us knowing we are fallible, even when the angels offered themselves as more devoted servants. That means something. We were not created in vain. And when we recognise our frailty, our limitations, the mistakes we have made, and we return to Allah with sincerity, with humility, with HOPE, do we not remember that He is The Forgiving, the Most Compassionate, the One Who guides us?

[@beautifulforever503]

Amazing!

[@shabnumtv9097]

@@beautifulforever503 Thank you, especially for getting through to the end of all my waffle! 😅

[@karenramnath9993]

I like your waffle! As a Christian, I believe the Bible teaches feminine modesty/head covering the same way you describe. The guidelines are very vague, and I think that is on purpose. What is considered modest in one area/time may not be considered modest in another area/time. God did not say to us “you have to wear a skirt or dress and it must be this length, and your head covering must cover this much hair, and your hair must be this long”. No, He made it a heart issue rather than a legalistic issue. He teaches us in the Bible that men should not try to look like women and vice versa, that women should have longer hair than men, that our true beauty comes from our attitude rather than how we decorate ourselves, etc.

[@Nasballim]

Hakeemah made the most sense. They're doing important work because they are helping people keep their hijabs on by making comfortable clothing

[@suzankadri729]

But is it still hijab though?

[@suzankadri729]

Don’t get me wrong, a lot of the time it is. But there’s only so much someone can change the hijab before it isn’t hijab anymore

[@m-5973]

@@suzankadri729 it’s not hijab at all. Hate to be that party pooper but the truth is the truth 🤷‍♀️

[@lightinthedark9201]

@@m-5973 do you know the time we live in? it's not 7th century Arabia.Its very difficult for us Muslim women to dress without compromise, please be more understanding.

[@m-5973]

@@lightinthedark9201 believers wether the ummah of Mohammed or otherwise have always had it difficult. This world is a test. I understand that it is difficult. But just because it is doesn’t mean that the rules of Islam change.

[@sblue3443]

This was greattt!!

[@austenweathersby7027]

Loved this video!

[@XxarnyxXx]

Can I just say thank you so much for posting this dialogue! I’m a Quaker and I made it a point of practicing the principles of simple dress (not necessarily modest but similar) throughout the pandemic. Now that I’m getting out of quarantine it’s kind of weird to navigate faith based principles and every day aesthetics 😅 This conversation helped me reframe my intentions. I don’t need to go out and buy a whole new super chic minimalist modest wardrobe >.

[@dizzylbnt]

Hi! Lovely comment :D I noticed you used a term that I'm unfamiliar with so I wanted to ask: who or what is a Quaker?

[@XxarnyxXx]

Hi there! Quaker is the informal term for a member of The Religious Society of Friends (quite a mouthful). It was founded as a protestant denomination however modern quaker belief is not solely Christian. As you can imagine it’s kind of complicated. But whether you’re a traditional or liberal quaker the central teaching is that the light of God is in every single person. No matter their religion or race their age, their orientation etc. I guess the best summary is that the religion doesn’t demand every participant believe in a traditional interpretation of God but that you treat people in a respectful and kind way. My clothing is a very easy way for me to carry my faith with me throughout the day. But not all Quakers dress in plain dress or modestly it is just what works for me 😅 Sorry to ramble but I hope that helps lol

[@panyrosas]

I can't help but feel that the most common perception of modesty, in clothing and in mannerisms, is subject to the male gaze. Clearly, modest women are not dressing to please loin-hungry men, but rather dressing to deter such a crowd. Embodying the very antithesis of raw sex appeal is still dressing accordingly to the male gaze; it is merely dressing around it. I say this all as tangental commentary: notwithstanding its (probable?) original intent to free (or preserve) women from salivating men, mainstream modesty is yet another product of patriarchy. We should think about who or what modesty serves and how to truly free ourselves from the male gaze, whether you are wearing makeup and a small fitting shirt at your waitress job to pull in more tips or you are covering as much skin as possible to deflect any lustful attention. We need to escape this mess.

[@aden-lj7wb]

I'm not Muslim, but I do hear a lot of hijabis say they wear the hijab not to deter men, but to please Allah swt. Never read the Quran so idk what the actual text states in regard to WHY modesty is important to Islam, but I think that's interesting. Of course there are also hijabis who say the opposite, so I guess it's an individual philosophy?

[@MhandleM]

@@aden-lj7wb I know modesty is important so women don't attract the attention of men

[@basmalasaad3039]

@@aden-lj7wb tbh I have struggled with hijab whenever I associated it with society and the male gaze because I feel uncomfortable at the idea of dressing for others. Where I am now, I just see the reason why I wear hijab as being "Because Allah said so and I love Him" period. It's much easier for me to see it as worship like number of times we pray a day which dont need a social explanation- we just obey the command.

[@aden-lj7wb]

@@basmalasaad3039 I totally get that. I'm not religious anymore (I was raised Christian) but that's definitely one of the things I struggled with while I still was. Because faith should be about your personal relationship with who/whatever you worship, not about other people.

[@EchaKiut]

I dont like shopping for clothes bcz its stressful, so i choose to made it myself. Its fit my body best, i got happy doing it. And when other compliment my dress i can say "i made it myself"

[@SS-cu8se]

I am in the process of learning how to sew and make my own clothes too!!! The style I like - loose and simple but still put together - is why I decided to finally buy a sewing machine. I wasn’t liking the clothes that were already out there.

[@sta._rina]

This reminds me to bust out my sewing machine this weekend and actually make that pink maxi skirt i ve been wanting to for awhile now (inshallah) 🙂🙂

[@bananachip92]

I loved Maryam's input, very thought provoking