TBC Classic: Hunter Leveling Guide (Class Changes, Talents, Rotations, Weapons)

[@kargozgaming]

Live Every Weekday: twitch.tv/kargozgaming Guide Timestamps: Table of Contents - 0:00:22 1.0 General Knowledge - 0:2:35 2.0 The Hunter - 0:11:45 3.0 All About Pets - 0:31:30 4.0 Leveling Strategy - 0:39:30 5.0 The Armory - 0:40:43

[@mcfarvo]

Kargoz, master of the One Take macro for these long guide slideshows

[@Sorraxe]

Guardian Druid video would be awesome m8. Hope you make one.

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[@Its_Nori]

Please consider remaking this for WOTLK

[@juanfranco268]

This guide is insane, it really feels like one college or bussines presentation. So complete and well designed, ty for sharing.

[@austinboone925]

People wanna argue that streamers and KZbinrs dont do any work, but this man here is putting in so much work, mad props to you. Great guide.

[@Necrit]

As someone who's getting ready to level Horde Paladin, I'd appreciate a TBC leveling guide for them too :S I think Aliance Shamans would appreciate it too.

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I second this.

[@werewolf8994]

3rd

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[@Joyle1]

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[@PrimarchRoboleonFrenchyman]

No as much as horde paladin

[@raytbrown2]

Thank you for the 1 shot macro explanation @ 24:00 as I haven't seen the restriction in line 4 before.

[@sonnywhite1337]

Kargoz always sounds like he has an appointment upcoming so he needs to finish the current presentation as fast as possible

[@mikeallen4232]

So true ha!!

[@TheUnknownsock]

I hugely appreciate this, very informative and I love that it's quick, theres no need to talk for the sake of talking when I can just pause myself and look at the stats of an item or ability myself. Instant Subscribe.

[@dudegrimmy9795]

The value of these videos and the very laid back explanation format is incredible. Thank you so much for putting these together. I obsessed over your classic guide. Liked and subbed my dude.

[@420uesr]

"laid back explanation" is a bit of a stretch lol 😆

[@barrytucker1561]

Great guide. I started as a hunter in Vanilla and was about lvl 20 when BC dropped. I was an absolute noob at 60 when I worked up the guts to go to Outland. A guide like this would have made my life soooo much easier :) thanks

[@o0Donuts0o]

Hunter in TBC is my wow origin story. Cannot wait for this xpac.

[@stonwall9065]

Tauren Druid was my origin. Took me months to even hit 30 because I couldn’t stop exploring the world (even if I had to corpse-drag to get there)

[@KJM1919]

Same here!

[@Kopesy]

Paladin (Horde) was mine, but my first alt - an Alliance character, was a hunter and became my main. I had such a relaxed time leveling him, and most of the best gaming memories I have are on him :D

[@SimpleEW]

Same here!!!

[@socio4206]

@F Blacks All except you.

[@steeben009]

I really feel more comfortable, excited and yea just really excited to play hunter in TBC. At the end, the different loot options, is just a really nice overview. You really nailed it here and did a great job. You rock!

[@Abso1uteUn1t]

This man just went out of his way to make a slide presentation. Huge thanks dude.

[@mitsua777]

First video I've ever watched on KZbin and decided I wanted to subscribe purely on the amount of selfless work someone put into it. Thank you so much for this info all in one place!

[@CuriousShrimp]

Your leveling guide have saved my life getting into Classic at release, not to mention the wow classic live website. I know how much work you put into these guides, so congrats on being able to release this hunter guide. Looking forward to your TBC content 👍

[@Ellthom]

I remember playing a hunter in TBC, it was my first alt, before I had played only a mage all the way through vanilla, but TBC really made me like hunters. I think WotLK was my favourite era for hunter, but TBC started my love for them for sure.

[@PrimarchRoboleonFrenchyman]

Loque'nahak: ikr

[@louisoost121]

Disengage in wotlk. Started in tbc, was surprised how sluggish they feel in classic compared to what i remebered .

[@brodelnaz]

I played hunter in vanilla and tbc. I quit hunter in wrath it just wasnt the same and felt wrong.

[@notaproduca5024]

Stat Weights (General) 10:00 Talent Build 1 24:11 1 Shot Macro 24:22 Leveling Rotation 60+ 27:34 Boss Rotation 29:35 Pet Prog 35:30

[@kedrosthedruid2713]

Let the guides and hype begin! Even though for some weird reason I could never play a hunter past lvl 12, I love how thematic a class they are with their pet management, second only to Rogues IMO (pickpocketing, lockpicking and poison making make them no.1 in that aspect). Can't wait for the other class guides!

[@aidanwow1593]

You can also get BiS quiver/ammo pouch with LW. Just remember to store Light Feathers so you can craft the quiver without farming low level mobs or the AH.

[@kumenl0l]

In the name of all Classic DPS warriors about to reroll: thank you very much for this in-depth, comprehensive video. Great job, my man!

[@purebredhosscat441]

Absolute fire kargoz Any way you can look into shaman next? There's so little information about shamans in tbc, in particular enhancement. I know you got contacts in those spheres, very interested to see what you find out. Thanks for the content!

[@dudeshamus1451]

Bumping this

[@haldir108]

I remember elitist jerks having a LOT of focus on weapon speed for enhance. I remember encountering three-dimentional graphs from sims of various speeds and damage. With WF (aparently) having an internal CD of 3 seconds, you wanted to make the ones you actually got to matter, which made slow weapons MUCH better than fast weapons with equal DPS. Early in TBC, it was believed certain thresholds of haste were actively detrimental (as in, your actual DPS would decrease with certain thresholds of haste, for certain weapon speeds), but as i remember it, that idea was later refuted. Go read the Elitist Jerks archives for more info. In a raid environment, your purpose is to provide as much uptime as possible on unleashed rage, while totem twisting, and not run out of mana. Key talents are nature's guidance, totemic focus, totemic mastery, thundering strikes, enhancing totems, shamanistic focus, flurry, and every single talent in the 5th row and deeper in the enhancement tree. Your yellow attacks are already hit-capped from talents, so your first goal is to get close to 100% uptime on unleashed rage (28-32% crit, can be gained fairly effectively through agility, even though it gives you no AP), and then stack AP. At the same time, aim towards getting expertize where you can. Armor pen is comparatively low value for enhance, since unlike AP, it doesn't boost your spell damage (Mental quickness), or increase your mana gained through shamanistic rage. In T6, the relative value of Armor Pen increases, since it acts like a multiplier on your other stats, and you no longer have (big) mana issues. While leveling up, just put points into enhancement that improve your damage or personal sustain. Delay your DW until you can get 3 points in DW Specialization (lvl 43/44 at the earliest). From level 50 to 70, You can put points into elemental. Just keep in mind that your spell-crit will be very low, and your mana pool is small, so talents like elemental focus, elemental devastation, and even reverberation (faster OOM) might not be as good as they seem. (Though elemental focus is still good) Totem twisting is pretty much the same as in classic. You put down WF, then immediately AGI, count to 8,5, and repeat. Also make sure you have STR totem down, and mana spring. If it doesn't interfere with your important totems, ensure you have water shield on you. If you are CERTAIN that it is safe, searing totem is very mana-efficient damage. If it doesn't interfere with keeping your totems up, you Stormstrike on cooldown. If you don't have the flame shock debuff on the target, cast flame shock. Otherwise, cast earth shock. You need to maximize your use of shamanistic rage, which needs to be evaluated on a per-fight basis. While you want to use it together with your cooldowns (bloodlust, racial damage boost, trinkets, ETC), you also don't want to use it at the start of the fight, when you are at full mana. (And in most long fights, you want to use your short cooldowns early, so they will be up again before the fight ends). Therefore, a great enhancement shaman knows how long each fight will be, and plans how he can stack shamanistic rage with his other cooldowns. If you aren't using shamanistic rage well, then the consumables cost of maintaining enough mana for all fights becomes much much bigger. For specific quest gear, i can't help you much. I got in late, and just got decked out in badge-gear (even wearing all leather, at some point).

[@bhank07]

I swear just yesterday I was watching the classic guides counting down the days till launch...

[@darudesandstorm7002]

got server first hunter (missed server first overall to warlock) to 70 in tbc by just rolling straight into zangarmarsh to skip the bloodbath that was hfp lol. just grinded in those sporeggar caves and then netherstorm on those ethereal guys. have a feeling that it wont be so smooth sailing for tbc classic now that everyone knows to skip the first zone.

[@projectegr]

late to the party here but starting TBC prep. You make a good point around 26:50 on the 1-shot macro: If it's not functioning then we use swing timers similar to classic. A possible option may be to add a cutoff line (tick) on your swing timer to show the point at which casting another steady is a net dps loss.

[@PaleMist]

Thank you Kargoz. I am more of a magic man and I do have a Hunter bank alt, but this has made playing Hunters seriously worth considering. Thanks and I am looking forward to your future guides.

[@killingKen10]

As someone who mained hunter in classic wow this guide has me so hyped for all the quality of life changes and pvp in TBC!

[@atiliolavoie5986]

Great guide Kargoz. I mained a Hunter all through TBC and WotLK. I miss my hunter so much. Looking forward to the TBC announcement I want to play my Hunter again!

[@killval849]

I love how it's not confirmed yet, but it basically is.

[@adrianventura1296]

Kargoz the GOAT! Hunter has been my favorite class throughout all of WoW. Thanks for such an amazing guide, the quality of your presentations are always incredible.

[@kaybee2801]

Wonderful guide! I am just starting out in TBC Classic on a Hunter so this will come in very handy during my journey! Thanks!

[@vinter6989]

The TBC hype train is chugging along! Great content as always man. Looking forward to the other classes!

[@RGJDragon]

this guide is exactly what I was looking for! Really well made, props on the presentation and the slides, it was very well put together!

[@sypherdiem]

Woooow earliest i've ever been to a youtube video! Thanks Kargoz!

[@filippenic6599]

There is more in-depth thing about hunter, for example this macro you showed there is 1:1 macro, meaning you do 1 auto shoot and 1 steadyshot and you block any next steady shot until next auto shoot is done. This is more mana efficient macro but deals less damage done on target, good for survival hunters. There is 3:2 macro which doesn't block your steadyshot, more mana consumption but more damage done also, good for BM hunters. Ideal ranged weapon speed in both cases is 2.7 - 2.9, ideal speed with haste buffs should be 1.7-1.9, everything below will clip your autoshot. So if you're BM hunter and you use 3:2 macro, you should NEVER use Rapid Fire - Bloodlust - Drums of Battle - DST proc - Haste potion in the same time. You should experiment with every of this Haste buffs and see how you can combine it, if not you will clip your autoshots, do less damage, use cooldowns for non reason. Right now i'm playin' hunter on Atlantis server Karazhan realm. Also you should use Ravager in raids until your critical strike is at 30% atleast when fully buffed, then you take Serpent for eternal breath spam :D

[@Melivilth]

Yeah 3:2 was the best option towards the end of tbc. Otherwise it wasn't particularly hard to do 1:1 without the macro, but if you mess it up a lot it destroyed your dps. For bm weapons the two best were the gun from Kara then the gun from the world boss and that was it.

[@kekichsimon]

Just remember, when the TBC prepatch is released, all ranged weapons have their dps increased (because RAP from agi is halved). So ranged weapons like Rhok'delar go from 44 to 53. Slavemaker goes upto 67.5 dps. You can check what all range weapon dps goes to by looking up the vanilla item within a TBC item database.

[@atlioskarfjalarsson4322]

That TBC hype though!! I've missed your guides, man. Top notch!

[@osgrov]

This is great, thanks a ton. :) You missed Leveling strategy #4: reroll blood elf and start at level 1 in the amazing Eversong Woods.

[@dagpalsson4371]

Fantastic powerpoint and guide man, never played TBC so having this is a huge help.

[@MrGrimm92]

Love your videos man, I used both your rogue and now hunter guide and I'll use any other ones as I'm starting a new class! Thanks for putting in the leg work bro.

[@mcfarvo]

BM time to shine, which is nice as it's often how you level/farm

[@TheEasyLikeSundayMorningShow]

nice video. Subbed. My wife and I can't wait until TBC and our new Blood Elf Hunters (I know, I know). That has been my main since classic originally dropped and I loved it in TBC.

[@oceanx22]

been looking for something this deep for literally the past 2 years thank you so much :)

[@brodysdaddy]

I know this is a older video, but I’m new to classic and just wanted to say thank you for the obvious work and effort that went into making it!

[@kyemikel76]

TBC cannot come sooner, ur guides always get me hyped up for what's to come. Thoroughly enjoyed it bro, thx for making these.

[@anthonyglennmollicasr.425]

Great video, well done Kargoz

[@MrEmruu]

Really great lecture you put together there! One of the best i have seen so far! Made me real excited to play, thanks!

[@mulu452]

Awesome guide! Thanks Kargoz!

[@aaroncanning3261]

Best tbc hunter guide ever, answered every question i had and more. Many thanks.

[@gixxie117]

lol

[@lexdemonica]

Blizz should really tip their hat to you with a trainer somewhere in the game called Kargoz. The effort you put in is truly appreciated.

[@2CHUNKA]

Awesome guide man, as always you put together the best guides on KZbin.

[@TLHockeyCards]

Thanks for the helpful guide dude, cant wait for tbc.

[@pheigngaming1396]

Love to see the guide content again! Can't wait for TBC and see the content you make for it.

[@RoopeRahkonen]

Do you plan on creating a guide for hunters about what to do whe you hit level 70 similar to the second half of your original classic guide prebis gear options raid bis gear options goldfarms how would your stable look like and such

[@hookkan123]

With rapid killing talent + 5/5 tier 2.5 set your rapid fire CD would be 1min so that might be really good

[@MrPeaceFroggy]

They don't stack.

[@mikeyrobinson5355]

Tested. Doesn't stack

[@steeben009]

@Kargoz Just what I need right now! Thanks for the amazing education video once more. You really rocked this one. I really like that you have the background with the bloodelves and the music in the background is nice. thanks. Ow one sidenote again: You should do something about being able to read or see everything on your slides. We still can't read or see everything because your head is in front of it! ;)

[@nicenice8732]

best guide so far that i found, good job mate :)

[@matshepherd118]

Yoo late night guide drop while I’m playing some HC!

[@nerdragexx1069]

Habbo club?

[@zyzzthetics7]

@@nerdragexx1069 Harbbo club high class ofc

[@charlescagle2090]

Excellent, thanks for the hard work! For the dungeon cleave path, why Sethekk before Hilsbrad?

[@wuppyluvr8675]

Getting ready for TBC and found your guide! Very cool!! Thanks for al the hard work!

[@joevaiese]

Awesome stuff, can’t wait for the warlock one

[@jeffward24]

Fantastic work as usual, Kargoz! Thank you very much!

[@00wkee]

Bloodelf is still viable right? I really want to relive the eversong woods and stuff but orc sounds just too good..

[@jacoblavilla2320]

Love your vibe , love the content, love the slideshows, love the work you put in to your channel.

[@FerencDojcsak]

Minor correction: BM will be actually the least desirable spec in arena late into S2 and after that. It can still work in a double dps setup (such as Enh-BM or Shadow-BM), but at that point MM and surv basically become the main arena specs, especially considering drain comps (the reasons vary from higher resilience on opponents, pet scaling and enemy focusing pets, value of Scorpid pet, value of Silencing Shot/Wyvern sting, Enh becoming less powerful as the xpac goes furter etc.).

[@miketaylor4577]

Do you guys think there will bring back bc and wraith

[@thezikaz]

Yeeehaw! Listening while I'm at work. Are you planning on doing any theorycrafting workshops? I had SO much fun with those for classic.

[@whoopsie321]

Good stuff i love watching all these guides they are calming and informative keep them coming! I know Im super hyped for TBC

[@mcmayus]

So I'm currently at level 57 and still have the same pet since level 10. It's an owl which only has Growl. Is there any guide to when tame which pet to get new abilities? I only saw in the presentation that at level 61 you should tame a new pet. I don't quite understand the pet abilities yet haha and leveling to 57 as of now was still fine

[@jericho8312]

Really in depth and very well presented. Gj

[@wirago3246]

Nice, that's what I was waiting for. Hope its comming for other classes too :)

[@orbital1004]

The boar pet slide did not include the Gore ability and I believe it was worth commenting on how important that is for a pet as good as the boar is at low levels. The only catch it had in Classic was the lack of a focus dump, and in TBC they gave it such a good one like Gore is.

[@D3lphie]

Just a heads up for blood elves, or other hunters. Since tbc pre-patch, you can just run to the blueberry starting zone at level 11 and get a ravanger. It is ridiculous for leveling. Cheers.

[@alexanderpressler5364]

dude i love your guides thank you so much !!! if you love to play hunter, this is the channel to watch

[@Acronoss1234]

Been playing hunter on the Endless server with my raiding guild. I love it and going to play it again in classic tbc.

[@Jaricko]

I leaned toward just retalenting once i got aspect of the viper. I chain super well and don't really die unless i do something stupid, so i didn't really need the hp. With that said i also picked draenei and have an oh crap button in the form of my racial heal.

[@Forty2de]

At 13:45, the picture says hunters get Exploding Shot at level 68. What is that even? They don't get it.

[@Aedrrow]

What about Blood Elf Mana Tap combined with Vipersting, isn't it a great Benefit vs Mages and Palas on PVP?

[@ChurchCOD]

Great guide man! Keep up the good work!

[@corz90]

Great work, i was a little confused when you said that hunter in tbc do not have a deadzone, i remember quiting tbc pretty early because i all my friends did arena and i just hated it as a hunter with deadzone/pillar camping, apparently they got rid of the deadzone in patch 2.3. i hope it launches with the last patch :D

[@TheGlockParty]

Instant like and sub, best WoW guide ive seen.

[@Kenny-my5is]

nice vids! i wanna ask u can use the drums in pvp/arena? thanks

[@brodelnaz]

Survival is such a tastey build in tbc. Also, mm is fun too silencing those pesky healers and when the silence wears off scatter and snake

[@GaeFootballClub]

hunter was my first character i got to 60 with ur help and now im excited to finally top the meters in tbc lol

[@Rev0UK1]

wasn't growl scaling late late tbc though? i know pet scaling was tbc from the start but thought i recalled something about growls scaling coming in later on, near sunwell time

[@Sweak2006]

Huge work, man! Thank you!

[@MidiThreePeak]

This is great! Thank you! Your content has got me enjoying classic after i was initially a bit dissapointed as i felt i was chasing a nostalgia trip. My mindset has completely changed now. Even on my non HC characters, I feel a HC mindset gets you invested in the game and world. Also - am I going crazy or was there a HC Orc Warrior video up? Has it been taken down? Thanks again for everything you do!

[@cogniplantari]

great video man, keep up the good content!

[@bigred6464]

Is Leatherworking mandatory for raiding? Not asking about the drums, but the 3 epic gear pieces. Right now I have herb/alch.

[@Babaganoosh69]

aah the Kargoz leveling guides are back, this is gonna be good.

[@Randomnamegoeshere]

Do you need different steady shot macros for all the different haste procs that change your attack speed?

[@DarkLepus42]

Great video! Played hunter in TBC, but kinda forgot how awesome it was. This video made me definitly play it again! (music a bit too loud :'(( )

[@Raphael11001]

If you will only be farming in the open world, I'd suggest getting the Zangarmarsh PVP trinket, Mark of Conquest. 54 AP, chance on ranged hit to restore 128 to 172 mana. This trinket only requires lv62. It's a great investment early on.

[@77rebel]

Awesome guide! Thanks for your work^^

[@Skaht]

None of these guides help with how to train the pet, what "talents" should they have or prioritize? I never know if it's Stamina, Armor or Both at lower ranks. Any help here would be great!

[@kasgr9034]

Nice video man. Whats the next class?

[@Rivera0370]

Amazing guide and amazing job! Keep up the great work!

[@stonwall9065]

Just hopped on a private TBC server to try it out. Rolled hunter for the first time ever (at least seriously that is) Looking forward to it. Went Orc.

[@wowathena]

i gotta say, crab was absolutely crazy. That thing grown so huge on 70. It was almost as big as that AQ mount^^ Made people laugh whenever i went :) I was using hem for my tank pet and boy he was great. I mean, on paper turtle seems like best tank but turtle only have bite ability and it rly struggles to keep an aggro as a tank, but crab with spamable claw was just perfect in holding my aggro. And it rly works nice if ur draenei like i was since u can do naru+mend and make ur tank pet op as fk. Soloed tusker at 68 in nagrand like that while most of other hunters couldnt finish qst line without getting group help. Also note that if ur pet can use multiple abilities like claw and bite, sometimes its bad idea to turn them all on. Ur focus reg is just gonna sink your pets stable dps. It all depend on your gear rly and how much crits u can push into pets focus. While lvling having only claw on autocast is perfectly fine. Once u get some gear and get better crit percentage then u can turn autocast on bite as well,etc. In that regard serpents would be ultimate upgrade when u have rly rly good critability.

[@macy4735]

Can't wait to play survival like I did in TBC. One of the most active and fulfilling jobs in TBC. The cc is so good.

[@samuelbouffard1037]

Heroic presence apply 1% hit (not melee hit?) to you and party member. Considering this is a leveling guide primarily, I was expecting you put draenei as top race for alliance? 1% hit is awesome when questing through outland and is a safe bet in case you don't have an other draenei in your group in raid situation. If you expect a draenei in your group, then sure Night Elf first, but why dwarf over draenei for 2nd place then (I'd prefer a 1% hit buff all the time then whatever dwarfs can give in pve, no ?) Was just curious to know your opinion.

[@BigDP]

I wanted to say Thanks for this guide, as always ...Excellent job !!!