HUNTER in Burning Crusade Classic: Is It Any Better Now?

[@tailez606]

*Timestamps!* Last one's a bit late but as useful as ever :D 0:00 Intro 0:51 Hunter Overview 1:15 What's New? 5:07 Leveling 6:09 PVE - Overview 7:56 PVE - Beast Mastery 10:10 PVE - Survival 11:56 PVP - Marksmanship 14:14 PVP - Beast Mastery 14:57 Tier Gear 16:47 Is It Any Better Now? Thanks so much for the great content!

[@WillEmmo]

I swear im not forgetting on purpose. At least im consistent though right?

[@tailez606]

@@WillEmmo I meant my timestamps were a little late at the time :D Your content is consistently of great quality so that's definitely consistent

[@Jive33]

The Hunter and Warlock videos should only be about 5 seconds long. It should be as follows: “Hello, WillE here. Is Hunter any better now? ......Yes...... Thanks for watching.”

[@seroo9119]

Also resto shaman, and if its for pvp resto druid

[@WillEmmo]

coulda done this for start of the hunter vid, I didnt come up with any dodgy RP for this 1

[@Jive33]

@@WillEmmo Haha my message was just a joke. I like the way you do your videos. Never change your style WillE.

[@bass-dc9175]

@@seroo9119 Pve AND PvP. Resto druids where really capable healers in classic, and that did not change for tbc. The problem during classic was that they simply could not use their hots. To put it in perspective: During our first KT kill (and all KT kills from then onwards) we went at it worldbuffless. Our Druid (my brother) did not only top the meters in terms of healing, he did it while wearing an aurastone hammer. Yes: The WORST raid healer weapon with 25 healing (compared to KTs mace which has nearly 10 times the amount of healing). Interestingly enough: the druid responsible for the other half of the room placed 10th on the healing meter. Classic and tbc druids in PVE are high skillcap healers that can pump out rediculous numbers, but in classic: they where castrated by the WB meta.

[@BabinSquared]

2:36 An easily overlooked change: Trap cooldowns were raised from 15sec to 30sec. Not a big deal since Feign had a cooldown of 30sec, but it has implications in pvp where it's easier to drop combat than in pve. 2:48 Arcane Shot's dispel is new to TBC 2:56 Nice 11:05 With the talent, the +110 AP applies to melee, but the +440 AP only applies to ranged attacks. One other major pvp nerf: Aimed Shot resets our autoshot timer, which means the big beefy 1-2-3 burst combo (aimed->auto->multi, using rapid fire to pull off the aimed shot if needed) is no longer available, so hunters have a much harder time instantly deleting a CCed or inattentive clothie. Combined with the introduction of resilience, as well as new panic buttons and anti-burst talents, hunter burst is in a really bad spot.

[@peytonibarra8992]

The amount of non-bot hunters I have been seeing leveling is really awesome.

[@jamescpalmer]

I've been reporting bot hunters left right and centre. Got 3 banned last week \_/

[@peytonibarra8992]

@@jamescpalmer I still report bots. The amount of bots in Thousand Needles honestly turns my stomach.

[@samymasta]

@@jamescpalmer me too, I always send a recording too

[@bass-dc9175]

@@jamescpalmer As I leveled my rogue, I saved my letters whenever a ban was done. (allways in groups of 3-5 hunters) I have 19 letters averaging around 76 banned bots in my mailbox. The trick how you get them banned quickly is: Dont just say "he is a bot". Say "Robotic movement, autofarming." or other behaviour that indicates botting. Followed by "Location: _________. Time: ServerTime." That helps identifying bots more quickly than normal.

[@jamescpalmer]

@@samymasta Yah I make little gifs and recordings. Works every time. Fucking bots.

[@WillEmmo]

Hey about the whole 1 button macro thingy Quite literally every single time I went to check for updates on the beta I came away with a different answer so in conclusion: just look at your swing timer lol how hard can it be.

[@davidt5194]

Yeah the rotations are really easy you just have to choose between [2:1], [5:5:1:1], [5:6:1:1], [1:1], [6:8:1], [6:9:1], [4:7:0:1], [2:3], [1:2], [1:3], [1:4] what a 1 button class lol

[@CarnifaxMachine]

@@davidt5194 Huh? Wat does that mean?

[@crivt1247]

@@CarnifaxMachine Those are shot ratios. 2:1 is double steady shot between autos, 1:2 is letting two autos through after each steady shot to correct drift due to high haste, 5:5:1:1 is 5 steadies, 1 multi, 1 arcane in the space of 5 autos (non-steady gets used where you can't fit a cast time but can fit a gcd without delaying your auto). The original TBC macro used to let you swap between 2:1 and 1:1 automatically based on current attack speed. With the shot queuing bug, (where your second steady wouldn't actually delay your auto shot), you never really needed more than that. The current attack speed bit is broken by the modern macro system, and the shot queuing bug isn't on beta. So, yeah, WillE didn't get the fine detail on the rotation bit quite right here (but that's understandable when you're trying to keep up to date on every class).

[@halleluia09]

The 1 button rotation is officialy dead. No known macro works consistently with the live game.

[@Dedrohauf]

Don't forget you can now right-click to autoshoot!

[@biscuitsntea421]

Ahhh I can't wait for all the accidental pulls lol

[@_____J______]

@@biscuitsntea421 You bastard, you killed Kenny!

[@karehaqt]

@@biscuitsntea421 Feign Death ftw

[@Flaimbot]

one thing you forgot: growl also started scaling with the pet's ap, resulting in the ap buff a boar gets after its charge to generate more aggro in the first few seconds than any tank ever could.

[@Preacher_.]

😮

[@mrdvcapj]

Boar is awesome pet imo. And they eat just about anything.

[@Flaimbot]

@@mrdvcapj in the original tbc, yes. in tbcc they're merely passable. due to batching growl used to be affected by charge, therefore generating ridiculous threat. now, without batching, the +ap is consumed by the first autohit after arriving at the target, so growl doesn't gain the +ap buff anymore.

[@rustyshackleford3316]

From ZERO to HERO - A Hunter's Story.

[@Avenus112]

And back to zero :(

[@christiferharrison7795]

@@Avenus112 From Zero to Hero and Back Again: A Hunter's Story

[@cristhianmlr]

From ZERO to MACRO

[@BigHeadClan]

I'd argue that's the shadow priest but hunters are a close 3rd!

[@fizzlebank]

@@BigHeadClan good meme...?

[@wesleybutchko5828]

2 set on t5 is so good I wore it while leveling to 90 in mists of pandaria and achieved server first hunter solo grinding it. Literally zero down time for your pet, aoe farming with MD like a god. Was wild.

[@dangusprime]

I used it to solo MC and ZG during wraith 😁

[@Jaejgaren]

some of these changes came later in tbc, early aspect of the viper reduced damage done by 50%. Deadzone was still in the early patches.

[@Presearing]

Thank you for clarifying what the "One Button Macro" is, since I heard it mentioned I assumed it's like one of the famous Swifty oneshot macros but for hunters >.

[@thecrap2]

Been waiting for this for months! Thank you Wille :D

[@Truppe4]

My trusty companion Fred the boar and I cant wait to enter the Outlands. Thanks for this!

[@gabekingdon2710]

My trusty pet cat Jeff and I can’t wait to enter the outlands

[@arne8158]

@@gabekingdon2710 meow name Jeff

[@edwardtherhea6818]

My trusty cat Sigurt that I had since level 35 in p1 agrees

[@Sith_Trooper]

As a Dranei hunter. You can start with a pet Ravager. It will make your leveling easier.

[@NickPlays95]

Currently starting a hunter on a tbc server and this video made me so hype for hitting 70!

[@orionyesliketheconstellation]

Yes. End of video, thanks for watching guys. See you in the next video

[@henrikh3089]

Been playing Hunter all classic, thrilled for the QoL updates. Not so thrilled about the thousand ex-warriors.

[@SuperSaxophoneStar14]

Agreed

[@schtrib]

Agree. All that Meta slaves that will reroll -.-

[@Jellybelly008]

I’ll still be playing warrior. It’s the min/max people you need to worry about lol.

[@rudy1999]

I mean warrior is still the best raid boss tank by far.

[@vreelz]

I've loved these videos. I have chosen the resto shaman for BC!

[@Hifcrea]

Dam bro. Mained hunter all of classic and loved it. Love hunter. Why am I getting this undeniable urge to main my warrior alt for tbc :(

[@Epzilon12]

Because you only wanna play underdog classes :(

[@biscuitsntea421]

Mained mage in classic gonna get warrior up for pvp and main mage/hunter for pve

[@YTSProduction]

Thank You So Much *WiIIE*

[@olfan92]

Bm hunter is pog in tbc. one of the strongest classes in tbc.

[@sandygillilan1169]

I love trolling with aspect of the pack fun times lol..

[@Yui714]

hah! totally forgot about that!

[@ccsrey14]

I've been waiting for this video for so long!

[@nimblelafitte1923]

snake trap is useful for stacking poison debuffs, i.e good vs poison dispell so your viper sting for e.g will stick

[@WhatAboutZoidberg]

Dang that was one nicely hidden WillE

[@WoWSoka]

The 1 shot macro won’t work in tbc classic FYI. Hunters will actually have about 3 buttons to press instead of 1! Lol

[@_____J______]

ZomG

[@sebastianhurtado1203]

Mr. WillE, i´ve been waiting for this! THANKS!

[@Desst1]

wait wasn't arcane shot dispel a wotlk thing?

[@exmaarmaca]

Lets see if it continue the meme of a warrior that rerolls as a hunter or warlock as a running gag.

[@MrConnerq]

I mean I'm not rerolling as either but I am rerolling from a dps warrior in vanilla classic xD

[@glcorreia]

I did that back in the day, couldn't stand the kited to death arena experience

[@tehcry]

i remember playing arena back in the days, holypala/protpala and me as a hunter with ridiculous amounts of resilience, long lasting games for sure but we got pretty high with that

[@novat9731]

1.03 * 1.03 * 1.03 = 9.3% ;3 Also, one button macro is dead on arrival. In fact, it was never top DPS to begin with. It was just a way to let garbage hunters, be less garbage hunters. The top hunters will be manually timing their shots, as they did in Classic. Improved hunters mark only provides the base attack power to melee. So 440 to ranged, 110 to melee. Further more, 330 / 11 = 30 hits to get the maximum RAP.

[@Typhoonis88]

Pfft what do you know this guy said its working i bet you have never even done any testing and this is all feelscraft. Im bouking my ticket on the huntar train and to 1st place with the macro.see you in prepatch Tomorrow

[@adriancervenka7682]

@@Typhoonis88 *inhales COPIUM

[@Typhoonis88]

@@adriancervenka7682 Also Like I said before, I'll be using a cat. Everything I've experienced shows me, no matter what is said, is that cats and raptors put out the same or more damage than Ravager in same setting. Don't ask why, because I have no idea. But there are a fair few instances of it in wow where 1 thing should do more damage, but just never seems to. The majority of hunters who have played tbc seem to share this motion, too. Some don't of course, Ravager is competitive and "theory" supports it, but theory also supports multoshot being higher damage than a second steady, but that also ends up lower output, too. Trinket swapping, same. Theory says it's higher, actually playing it produces less.

[@narhwallord6985]

@Typhoonis88 Bet you've never done any testing and this all Feelscraft

[@tjh346]

The one button macro doesn't work at all on the beta. You'll have to manually time your shots with the kill command portion in the macro

[@henrikh3089]

That's very good to hear :D I loved the aimed weaving and was sad to hear it would be replaced by spamming a macro.

[@ominousbiscuit]

TBC Classic: The Return of the Huntard

[@cristhianmlr]

The Huntard was never gone.

[@D.netleo]

U sad sad little pepega your a rogue aren’t you

[@Twincobra13]

Was there a pet slot increase or is it still 3 max?

[@JokerDR71]

Hunter is great now, but i really see me missing that 6 yards range, was allways fun to snipe people from afar out of their range

[@aidanwow1593]

Watching this as I level a hunter.

[@cripplingcaffeineaddiction3847]

If you level in classic right now will it transfer to tbc?

[@adriancervenka7682]

@@cripplingcaffeineaddiction3847 ye

[@shakeyownz]

I always like these videos.. I think it would have been cool if you had taken Race choices into account and if the race/class combo changed in any significant way from Vanilla to TBC... Not sure if that was really a thing.. Like, is playing a Tauren Druid any more significant in TBC than it was in Vanilla when you compare to NE Druid... I dunno, i guess that goes a little too much into min/maxing theory and obviously these "class update" videos are meant to be more of a broad overview... Oh well, potential idea for future content ;)

[@charm8968]

They need to bring back this hunter with melee and range and get rid of the weird now lockon they recently added (looks odd).

[@malkavian6275]

Hunters are the one true god in TBC as far as dps goes, no one can top them with end game bis(not even warlocks or glaive rogues), which is pretty damn cool.

[@UWfalcin]

you're a liar!

[@Thundaxx1]

The hunters name *kisses into the wind* beautiful

[@golgarisoul]

ITS HERE

[@CrazyKosai]

you should make a video about dungeon sets for all classes

[@tannerfromhigh2346]

If you managed to play hunter during classic than tbcc is gonna be a blast for you! Happy gaming fellow adventurers!

[@Guildelin]

I loved playing hunter in TBC but I never really raided on it... I would do farm runs of Karazhan and the first boss in Mount Hyjal lol... The other hunters we had kept fucking up the kiting of adds so the Hunter class leader asked me if I could swap for that fight. (in Vanilla he and I would kite world bosses to capitol cities so he knew I knew how to kite :P )

[@tiltaz02]

0:15 or 0:24, depends on what you mean by "Hidden"

[@Drewsterman777]

How much of a dps difference is there between BM, MM and SV? I kind of want to level a hunter but BM sounds super boring being a 1 button macro.

[@josht130]

BM is probably around 20% more than SRV, though a good SRV hunter can close that gap as their rotation allows for more special shots. for MM, im not sure, its pretty terrible. As for the 1 button macro, it does not work, Wille failed to state that it does not account for various haste values. This allows for a more creative rotation for hunters in general and you will have to manually time all your shots. On top of this weaving in multi's/arcane/melee hits in between your SS while calculating your GCD timing will be bis. It will be an engaging rotation do not believe people that say spamming a 1 button macro will be bis dps.

[@notaproduca5024]

are these talents for bm best for tbc?

[@druidlololol]

Swapped between maining Hunter and Mage during Vanilla, TBC and WotLK. In Classic, it shall remain the same. However, I will main mage because I suspect there will be a disturbing amount of hunters (and warlocks) due to meta slaves (dps warriors and rogues) rerolling for TBC.

[@ajunta2270]

I was interested in rolling warlock mainly because I really like the Felguard, but am a bit put off by the knowledge that so many people will roll it simply because yeah, it's OP. And if anything, in my mind locks should be fewer in number, the odd ones out if you will... I guess that would be an RP take on it...

[@troqu]

Actually curious: Is there a "second" gnome in the opening or am I just missing the joke? Cause the Mage is uh... not very hidden.

[@Taskmaster17]

There's a gnome head popping out of the upper righthand corner at around 0:14 mark

[@hvdhvd-zt3js]

Doesn't the one button macro not work?

[@touchofrage]

It does. But you’ll need 3 or 4 of them same macro with different swing timer resets based on your haste values. So if you have like for example bloodlust/heroism, rapid fire, haste pot, trinket proc etc etc

[@sybald4592]

they don't work. sometime SS not even casting when it should and i think there was an issue with clipping too but not sure about that one.

[@josht130]

it does not work no

[@jgalla5549]

I heard rumblings that not using the macro is a bit better, and the macro just helps bad hunters. Is that true?

[@vengefuldeth]

Well yeah, If you need a macro to do max DPS and not know a rotation its just a lazy EZ button that makes you less good at your class.

[@Rujiji]

This is the way

[@Feast_]

I heard from TBCC beta that the 1 button macro was nerfed, is that still true at this time?

[@27toten]

I'm pretty sure it still exists. The macro is just executable commands, so unless they completely changed LUA, its unlikely there will be any change. If anything, people will figure out how to make it better.

[@DrunknBraindead]

Basically using the macro is a damage loss. Especially with higher haste numbers plus it's currently not really working losing you even more damage

[@GaeFootballClub]

as a hunter main since p2 of Classic, i’ve been prepping for TBC this whole time get rekt casuals

[@chrisark5294]

They're absolute trash in arena tho

[@Canbilly2]

What class, if any, would you do the 58 boost on?

[@ingolf82]

he has all the classes at 60, he doesn't need it.

[@Canbilly2]

@@ingolf82 that wasn't my question. But thank you.

[@celtic889]

Best for last! The time has come!! :D

[@acebro23]

Saved the best for last?

[@mrdvcapj]

Love your content bro.

[@Drain_Life_Archive]

For PVE crusade is a huge buff for hunters. The lack of mana, crap damage, and pet issues have all been fixed. They also become the best puller thanks to misdirection. If you struggled to enjoy raiding as a hunter in classic or avoided it entirely because of the design; you'll probably love the class now. Classic hunters aren't even in the same league as crusade hunters. But there was a price to pay. For PVP; the class no longer dominates the BGs like it did before. You might be fine with this sacrifice... but it gets worse when you go into the arena. Because of the terrible design of arenas which allow the constant blocking of line of sight... hunters are made to struggle more than anyone else. Hunter would be my pick for worst arena class, especially as marks or survival.

[@mandaloriancrusader6699]

Ravager be damned, mained a PvP BM and even in all PvP gear topped PvE content damage meters with that baby dragon looking blue beauty, admittedly by that point everything on it was bis except...shoulders :'(

[@tylerw7946]

This is the one!!!

[@GrandAdmThrawn]

Finally, my class :D

[@mola4everyourz]

Problem with Hunter in PVP is that their pets have 5k hp and get deleted in a few globals. Gl fighting Warriors

[@ingolf82]

I still remember the TBC prepatch back in 2006. I went out farming furbolgs for my furbolg rep, And I get jumped by 2 rogues. Usually, 2 rogues take down a hunter in a few seconds, as they stunn you and delete you, but I popped my newly buffed beastial wrath and destroyed them, it felt fantastic. with beast within, you are immune to stuns.

[@ogalebogale]

Happy 420 to all who partake!

[@andrewshandle]

I'm surprised they kept FI as a stacking debuff for the length of the expansion, it's one of the only screw ups Blizzard made with raid comp design.

[@nineironspitfire]

Drain Gang 12:35

[@Timmir00]

I'll have to be honest. Is there any class that isn't better so far? I think the only one you covered so far that there was any overall downgrade is warrior, and that's not even because they are weaker. It's that they were so strong in classic and everyone else just got brought up to a similar level.

[@Aaron-xo5ud]

Fury warrior, Boomkin (stays the same really), Rogue (PvE). You can argue everyone else got better and they just stayed the same, but thats just semantics. If I gave everyone 1 billion dollars but you, you are getting screwed even though you are technically in the same spot you were before.

[@honesteagle98]

Tbc classic is still in beta / ptr, isn’t it? When will they go live, can’t wait to farm primal fires

[@calzone.mp3]

no PVP spec for Survival?

[@_____J______]

RIP

[@Bobbyjoe4511]

Survival hunter is most effective in PVP, I personally play as a survival hunter and I've dominated in pvp and I had myself speced for utility and melee. And yes I've bested warriors and rogues in one on ones in melee fights in most cases. I feel like people don't understand how great a survival hunter is for pvp if they know what they're doing of course.

[@harveycameroncovers]

I've been succesfully+strongly playing survival melee spec hunter during classic. Currently level 51, cosnsistent 130-150dps in instances /w range weaving, can even tank some instances! Solo questing I can pull 3-4 mobs at a time with ease, 30% dodge without CD's.. the list goes on.. I'm SOO powerfull!!! Does anyone know how melee hunter does in TBC? I've heard it gets even stronger!

[@MasterGrande]

Sorry dude, but your post shows you dont really have a clue. Melee hunter was never real a thing until Blizz really reworked survival tree, which was some time after cata. Oh and btw, im not saying you should reskill, if you have fun and doing well, keep playing. Just compared to your range skill set, mele hunter sucks ;)

[@ViktorBlaskov]

Hey WillE you really should split pvp season by season, because for all your videos so far you're speaking very broadly about stuff that changes. You mentioned beast mastery in season 1, but you didn't mention that for example drain hunter is nonexistent until late season 2 and in season 4 you can once again see damage/kill hunters. You did this in a few other videos as well for classes that change from season to season a lot.

[@Tiblious]

No

[@004947]

im going marks and getting the desolation set

[@glcorreia]

I have no idea why I wasn't subbed to this channel yet

[@mistapinion7595]

IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS

[@Cabum85]

hunter 1 button macro is a thing of the past... by this time i was hopping people that make videos about a class are better informed. the new macro is just steady shot, kill command, not timer reset because the client wont support that

[@spaceowl9246]

this my class boiiis

[@Ash-vt5cp]

woo another wille episode :DDD

[@m3.s0]

classic: Warriors - TBC Hunter / Warlocks :)

[@matt6888]

at least now they are split between 2 classes so we dont have 20 of the same class every raid

[@CLOSEETV]

@@matt6888 in tbc you need a little of everything and thats what i love. your class have so much more than just damage.

[@InfernalCross666]

*grabs popcorn*

[@Straff_Dis]

Is broken tooth still viable??

[@exoken]

People using the "one button" macros will be obvious compared to hunters that have mastered their rotation of abilities and pump even further with melee weaving. Do not roll into the class expecting to cheese through raids at a competitive level using those macros.

[@Peoplesuuck]

While I love the idea of higher skill ceilings, I do think you are underestimating human error and the resultant closing of most gaps.

[@odyssey958]

I'll believe it when I see it. Melee weaving is a meme in Classic, and will likely remain as such in TBC. I get the feeling of wanting to feel "elite" by not using a 1 button rotation, but it's just that simple.

[@lengreg1326]

Great info

[@Tholesline]

.. even with 3/3 expose weakness you cant have a 99% uptime on the boss - having 2/3 is straight up bad

[@Occidentally]

Arcane shot STILL dispels one magic effect. Excuse me? Are you playing the same version of classic as me? 😛

[@Typhoonis88]

Yeah that should have been NOW not still

[@badwolfxd3593]

I remember the damage from the snake trap feeling broken af, or was that in wrath? 🤔

[@virgileusa]

never been

[@badwolfxd3593]

@@virgileusa ahh, I guess I had classic rose tinted glasses on lol

[@MrWill9099]

Wow I just searched this up, uploaded 15 minutes ago, what are the chances of this happening :O

[@Zoggest]

One out of two, it either was that way, or it wasn't.

[@dangusprime]

Odds of him searching it right before he uploaded

[@Preacher_.]

Please tell me the 1 Button macro is dogshit in PvP.

[@D3ck3rCain]

From support to slapper!

[@karehaqt]

TBC hunter macro mapped to mouse scroll wheel = 1st on damage meters.

[@MrBBCap]

Was wondering why I wasn't enjoying WillE videos anymore, it's not a channel for casual players. Good stuff though!

[@jacobs727]

1 shot macro won't work in classic since it uses retail macro system, and only aim shot reset swing timer, wind serpent becomes BiS pet later on with better gear it's not behind Ravager overall only in the beginning, expose weakness still required some gear it wasn't just oh Hunters have a lot of crit so it will proc... lots of misinformation in this video.

[@maxpain3294]

good luck to any hunters in 2v2. i played it in vanilla tbc. every match against a heal+dps combo is 45 min+. enjoy...

[@rudy1999]

yeah, resilience is pretty painful, not a big fan of TBC PvP

[@MarcusPalle]

isnt survival any good in pvp?

[@johnhandcock3242]

arcane shot doesn't dispel in vanilla

[@Nakoa91]

Hunters, hunters everywhere ?!

[@kengurusafari]

This is the one we all have been waiting for...

[@Yui714]

Hunter was the first toon I made when I started playing back in TBC and it's still my main. I just remake my main on every classic version that comes out. Excited to get some Timeless arrows. Maybe even a bow that doesn't need ammo! I've always loved ammo and pet maintenance. I also really preferred mana over energy for a few expansions while devs figured out how to make the resource work. The class gets a lot of hate because rookies mess it up more than any other class. It's just easier to be a hunter noob since ranged will auto-attack any target you tab to so you need expert control including control of pet from attack to dismiss and growl and traps. Master-level hunters are a scary thing. Rookies ruin our rep.

[@Jade_Raven]

I notice you don't have a section for pvp survival. I find this a grave insult the the melee hunter community. You'll be hearing from our team of kitten lawyers

[@josht130]

the macro doesnt work Wille, it clips autos and is a massive dps downgrade :/