#TBT

Take a journey back twenty years with me. It's Gencon 2002 and a brand new company called Privateer Press is doing a sneaky pre-release of their upcoming game WARMACHINE. Four Battle Boxes for Cryx, Cygnar, Khador and Menoth are available and there's nothing like it on the market.
Twenty years later the impact of this game would lead to changes across the landscape of gaming and the journey of its creators would be no less interesting. Let's Play!
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[@LuisJimenez-pb3ge]

Yes let’s get Warmachine back on your channel!!!!!

[@1800-REGICIDE]

I remember being introduced to Warmachine by a friend when I was 13 or 14. We'd both been losing interest in GW games (the only wargames we had played until then) due to price rises and Warmachine's game mechanics were so fresh and interesting to us. Having to balance Focus between Warcaster and Warjacks made for some great tactical decision making. Also it was a lot more cost effective and the Battle boxes were a great way to start gaming. Its funny watching this how many of the rules I still remember! Thanks Ash!

[@johnfarscape]

I think its an amazing game, such depth and ways to customise your armies playstyle through using different Warcasters and Warjacks. . Its great when you manage to pull off some crazy combinations.

[@Haloister]

"Then there's Snipe." That's the sound of a fellow traumatized Khador player I hear.

[@randyshaver6365]

This takes me back. My first faction was the Protectorate, and the friend who introduced me to Warmachine played Cygnar. Always loved Kreoss's feat; knocking down my opponent's entire army was very satisfying.

[@MMMayhem]

I always loved seeing those green cygnar show up on min-wargaming. Thanks for the throwback bat rep!

[@MrLigonater]

Thanks for doing this. Brings back the memories. Out of curiosity, how did playing MkI feel compared to your recent games of Brawlmachine?

[@KaptajnCongoboy]

With the old Gale Force nine tokens, black and white cards and the good old wreck markers! This really brings me back :D I am quite excited for Mk IV.

[@stonehorsegaming]

Ah, sweet nostalgia. My main gaming friend used to play Menoth, and I played Khador. Kreoss was a pain in the arse to deal with at times, great set of spells, useful feat, and he could do some serious damage in melee as well. The unit and solo options in MKI Prime/Primal is I think the sweet spot for the game. The core mechanics of MKIII really helped Warjacks and Warcasters, just sadly the game had too many units and solos that could take out Warjacks/Warbeasts too easily. Really hope MKIV can revive the game. Still, glad I was there for the game 20 years ago to experience just how fresh it was.

[@raphaelgomes7027]

Que virada no final, achei que o exército verde ia perder (sou novo no jogo e não conheço as tropas ainda) Muito boa a luta

[@edwindrood2816]

Ah the old days. Good stuff

[@pforson]

Great stuff! I love the scale of the game in MK1. 👍

[@broncofun5636]

Love how heavy the jacks felt in your hand. I got the pewter bases to make them extra heavy.

[@liamfishwick2943]

I hope that MK4 recaptured the feel o MK1. I enjoyed small games of MK1

[@grisch4329]

12:28 Charging for distance Yeah, it was stuff like this that had me stop playing the game eventually. The whole "But the rules don't say I can't!" for every single loophole that was abused. The final straw for me was when a unit fleeing was described as a "run directly toward their board edge". And then some little jackhole was like: "Hey! A run can be zero inches! It doesn't say you have to run the full distance!" And PPs response was: "Ok, that sounds great, let's just make that part of the rules." That was the day I hung up my pressganger shirt. It's sad, because the original version of the game had a fantastic blend of fun, tactics and narrative that I couldn't find anywhere else. This makes me want to crack out my old models and play some MK1,

[@kingnothing5706]

I miss Warmachine. I started in 2006, and quit sometime around 2016 after the competitive scene just became insufferable. It's still a fantastic game though.

[@Prouncer007]

Excellent battle report and showing exactly the game that captured the hearts of many gamers. I really hope MkIV is able to find a new audience and gain back some of the relevance that the game used to have. The slower paced mech brawling is really fun to watch. By the end of MkII I regularly lost my ArchAngel to just 4 or 5 small Infantry models worth 3 or 4 points and the game just lost the fun and immersion that got me into the game.MkIII for me was such a massive disappointment of a release that didn’t fix really any of the issues of MkII. It pushed 2D terrain even more, same boring steam roller missions, animus abilities got nerfed into the ground and Warlocks didn't gain spells to compensate, and just ridiculous amounts of abilities on units that barely fit on the cards in microscopic font. And way way too much infantry and solos I'm not buying into MkIV anytime soon, but I will keep an eye out and see if it gets any traction and see what they do with the game and if they are willing to support it a bit more than they have been.

[@ulfhazelcreek8108]

Man, the nostalgia. I really liked the system, the 2d6 making it possible to calculate some sort of probability was such change from GW serial mass rolling. Cool stuff. I hope the coming edition gets legs and kicks a**.

[@aaronbrown42]

Possible missed opportunity in minute 31, Ironclad does a power attack slam into the Repenter, sending him into Kreoss and knocking him down? Come on, man! Also, I can't wait to see you run Sorcha and her pop-freeze whoosh-->whoosh-->dead Warcaster...

[@westtexasgamer114]

Armlock is your friend when it comes to the shock shield. Oh the memories…

[@Winter420]

wow this brings me back!

[@Haloister]

Hell yeah Warmachine, and Mk 1 at that!

[@TheodoreBaseball]

The memories.

[@wouterw.2945]

This brings back many good memories, I really liked the first edition. MK2 was ok, but never got to that same level of excitement that the first box sets had. Never made it past 2nd, it felt too much like the GW games I came from afterwards.

[@grumhelden]

God I miss Warmahordes, both v1 and v2. Sadly it just died a death around v3 here.

[@Rob-Awesometon]

awesome, we gonna see some Mark 1 hordes soonish?

[@paulportelli2286]

Awesome it’s such a great game

[@michaelgrey1351]

I'm watching Jordan play his green Cygnar in a classic WM match and it's not 2015 Miniwargaming?

[@CesarIsaacPerez]

I love the idea/the concept of Warmachine!!! I see a lot of potential as an IP for Animation and Video Games! I learned of the game with your MKII Battle Reports and got in with MKIII, right before the game winded down in my area. I really hope MKIV is good and the scene picks up again!

[@1800-REGICIDE]

There was a video game, Warmachine Tactics. I remember Kickstarting it. It did not turn out well sadly. Very poor quality.

[@superhakujin]

I will take this opportunity to make my yearly pitch: license the Valkyria Chronicles engine from SEGA, replace the tanks with warjacks, CHANGE NOTHING ELSE, perfect WM game.

[@MrIan1086]

That was fun!

[@SpaceCowSmith]

Fantastic battle report! I'm really interested in picking up one of the older editions of the game to try out some skirmishes but which edition would you recommend for small games as the forces seem to have ballooned in size in the newer versions.

[@tyrantsonthefield]

Nice deep cut there

[@brianquinlan5638]

this was rad

[@aaronbrown4275]

Twenty years ago. Welp. I'm going to go put myself on an iceberg.

[@blastvader]

Now that's what I'm talkin' bout.

[@joahnaut]

"2002 was 20 years ago" No. No, no, no.

[@pforson]

How can 2002 be 20 years ago when 1980 is 20 years ago? 🧐

[@willnox1]

Where is the review of Prime? I can't find the video anywhere?

[@madosx9903]

Nice ^^ It's seams to be quite similar to MK2, so I like it

[@KaptajnCongoboy]

It was quite different in many ways. The Mk1 to Mk2 transition was a dramatic revamp of the game. The points system was completely redone from 500pts/750pts to 35/50 pts- Mk1 was also very detailed and completely ridden with special rules on individual models - the Black Thirteen Gun Mage Strike Force had 3 (4?) cards for the 3 models in the unit with tiny, tiny text. The game was quite flavorful with all the old special rules, but slowed the game down quite a bit. Units had formation rules where they had to be within 3" of other models in their unit, and intervening models could "screen" each other for +2DEF if they were within 1". Losing the unit leader was a disaster, so they tended to stay way back, with a daisy chain of models connecting them to the rest of the units. This meant a lot of fiddly placement for the units, especially as you "waterfalled" combined melee attacks where Model A would charge, combine with Model B (who did not lose his attack from this), and then Model B would make his charge attack, combine with Model C, et cetera. It was fun, but in general Warmachine has continued to iterate throughout editions for the better.

[@madosx9903]

@@KaptajnCongoboy i totally agree. From my point of view it peaked at the end of mk2 (best game).

[@KaptajnCongoboy]

@@madosx9903 Oh, mkIII is a much better GAME than MkII. It is better balanced both internally within the factions and externally. It flows better. The main issues is that the model line has grown too large. That is why the Mk IV semi-reset is good for the game. Mk I was a much FUNNIER game than both Mk2 and Mk3. Which had its advantages and disadvantages.

[@madosx9903]

@@KaptajnCongoboy to me the miniatures during mk3 feeled very hollow. Many effects got significantly weaker. And even after month, I still had the impression that the game hasn't been finished. The needed too many errata toake it fun again. Oh, and the whole 'you have to use the app' thing also turned me down. I like my cards 😅

[@blastvader]

Don't know whether I'm being mega dumb or not, but I can't see the Mk.1 book review anywhere.

[@misomiso8228]

Mk. 1!!!

[@jw70467]

Lol - hope you like re-racking after turn 1 or 2

[@KujakuDM]

As far as I can tell there is no rulebook review?

[@phillipjmead]

Didn’t flails bypass shields or was that Mk2?

[@GuerrillaMiniatureGames]

Mk 2

[@tarrant01]

11 damage to column 4 would've taken out the Cortex on the Charger.

[@KujakuDM]

Where's the mk 1 rulebook review?

[@ragnar40kblackmain]

So I don't see much Warmachine here anymore. Is that because you are super busy with other games? Or is it because the game has quietly died?

[@crann777]

They're releasing a new edition of the game later this year. That said, between poor decisions from Privateer Press around/during Mk3 and 40K getting a pretty decent revamp with 8th/9th edition, it's been a rough couple of years for Warmachine. It also doesn't help that a game that was marketed toward competitive play couldn't be played during COVID.

[@darekbobinski6569]

When lotr?

[@benjaminnadeau7305]

To whoever painted cygnar green.... Ya need Jesus!!