TDG: Dune: A Game of Conquest and Diplomacy

[@acerumble]

Thanks for your thoughts, I will definitely be keeping both games. For those wanting to get friends involved in the 6p version, Conquest is a great introduction to do so. If they are having fun and enjoying the play, are also much more likely to be willing to give the "advanced" version a try.

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Good point. Thanks.

[@GregOlotka]

:)

[@2532robh1]

Yes, I want your thoughts on that masterpiece of a movie!

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Perhaps I shall make that video.

[@bergsteiger09]

I second this request

[@monomundo]

me too Cody

[@t3l3phasicworksh0p]

Absolutely - your insight would be fascinating to hear, particularly if it could be compared to a similar "Earth-bound" historical precedent eg Afghanistan or, more relevantly Vietnam (hidden indigenous faction whose logistics and fighting style is at one with their environment and the local populous) with it's asymmetrical factions. In fact, imagine a COIN version of dune!

[@williamegan6756]

I fifth this request. :)

[@johnpanagos5835]

Great review again!! Ordered the game 🙂 Cant w8 for the movie review!! "He who controls the spice controls the universe"

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Indeed. Thanks!

[@Albireo8]

I was given this for Christmas, and have played two 2 player games with my son. Its a good game, but I suspect very different and more enjoyable with 3 or 4 players. It gets my approval! Good video sir.

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Thank you!

[@gcn9]

Honestly, missing the formalized alliances kind of sinks it for me. I own and played the original AH Dune several times and loved it. But yes, we had some 6 hour, 4-player sessions but the alliance making and discussions (private, in another room!) made it such an immersive experience. Maybe this version is for people who didn't enjoy the diplomatic thrills of the original game. AH, such great gaming memories...

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

I think, with the movie tie-in, they wanted to make it more accessible to a wider audience. I really enjoy it.

[@tozmom615]

Excellent exploration of this game. Thanks. It’s helped me make a decision about buying it.

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Happy to help!

[@thomasb7237]

Would like to hear your thoughts about Dune: C&D vs. Dune: Imperium.

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Thanks. Perhaps one day I’ll break that down.

[@martinritchie7576]

I love both versions of dune, this version of dune is good for people who hate the long complex game of the original dune, this version is perfect for beginners. And you can use this game to introduce the more challenging original dune

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Indeed.

[@robertdullnig3625]

Do you think they will add Feyd whenever the second movie comes out?

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

That would be cool. We’ll see.

[@HistoryTeacherSteve]

That beard is killer man, you look good 😎

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Thank you. Don't know how long I'll have it for, though.

[@derek_davidson]

I can't wait to play this game!

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

It's a fun one!

[@VeeeeryyyFaaaastSlooooth]

Nice review. Love this game, though they should've named it "Game of Conquest and Betrayal", much more fitting in my opinion.

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Indeed. Thanks!

[@Elicurren]

Great review Cody. My question is, should I get this if I already own REX?

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

This plays quicker, and is easier to teach. If you’re looking for a condensed version of Rex, this is your game. If you don’t need a shorter version, you’re okay where you are:

[@Elicurren]

@@TheDiscriminatingGamer Thank you Cody.

[@24Nasorangmal]

Thanks for the thoughtful review, good one. Please share your thoughts on the movie!

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Thank you!

[@seanhillman1016]

+1 for DUNE movie thoughts.

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Thanks.

[@patrakis]

Hi Cody. Great review as always. My thoughts would be to keep both games. The old version for the epic nature of it when you have the player count and this one to scratch that Dune itch when you only have time for a "quick' game. I would be interested to know what you think about the components quality and the graphic design. Gale Force 9 tend to disappoint me it those department. Thanks again.

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

A lot of people are not fans of screen shots, but they never bother me. The graphic design here is right from the movies, and I thought it worked very well. As far as the other components go, I've got no real complaints. They didn't wow me, but neither did they detract from the game at all. And the battle wheel is always fun.

[@rogeranslow4984]

Thank you for the review, by all means cover the film as well. What are your thoughts on the player count, does it give the same experience at 2, 3, and 4 player? Cheers, Roger.

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Thanks. I’ve only played it at four players.

[@StackingLimit]

You mentioned not keeping the 2019 version but what about the FFG version? do you want both? All 3?

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

FFG? Are you referring to Rex? Still holding on to that one for the time being.

[@StackingLimit]

@@TheDiscriminatingGamer that was what I was referring to FFG being fantasy Flight games. Is it more like the long version of the game or the newer version?

[@LeoMilani7]

Haha, that song again!

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Well, it's free and it fits.

[@MansourReviews]

Yes, you should make that video

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Thanks!

[@ItsJustJerFromJersey]

You see this box? Put your hand in the box.

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Ha! Opportunity missed on my part!

[@williamegan6756]

Your thoughts on Villeneuve’s film? Yes, I’m sure a lot of us would be interested. 👍

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Thanks.

[@patriziopastore9895]

Good question... Dune: A Game of Conquest and Diplomacy VS Dune: the boardgame? can be an interesting video... pass that what is you favorite Dune game (Considering also Dune Imperium or the one of 1979... ok kidding nobody remember the last one)?

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

I've got to plane all of them some more before I can definitively say.

[@TheWalkMan1234]

I would watch a video about your thoughts on the new Dune movie!

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Thanks. Now I just got put it all down.

[@elizabethlestrad5282]

@@TheDiscriminatingGamer Will this be Dune (2021) 101 or 401?

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

@@elizabethlestrad5282 Ha!

[@elizabethlestrad5282]

@@TheDiscriminatingGamer Hey, the difference between a half and full credit hour is a big deal. 😃

[@attiladukai2121]

Both Dune game have its place. As you mentioned, the new one is shorter, works with less player and streamlined. Altough, the 2019 version is a big epic game like Twilight Imperium. It works perfectly with 4 playe but better with 6. It have its own flaws, and harder to put it on the table. Maybe you will only play it 1-2 time per year (we play it 8-10) But you will talk about it after decades. I mean we still remember our first ever game where I was the Bene Gesserit and one of our player almost won the game alone with 4 strongholds. I was the only capable player to stop him, so I have swarmed 3 of his strongholds with my army of advisors (only 2 player can be in a stronghod) what I have flipped to the warrior side. So he took one hold what I left to him, I have beat him to death in the first battle, I barely loose the second and in the third battle I dialed a 0 and played a cheap hero and he won, because he had 3 strongholds. Everybody was confused and after a few second he said: - You son of a b*tch you just tricked us! You have predicted that I will win in this turn! And I was like: - You are smarter than I tought... little human... (BG can predict who will win in what turn, and if it's right the BG player will win instead) Once Atreides have nuked his own army with the Emperors in Arrakeen turn one and he was proud to himself, and the Emp was: - You know that I will have a lot of money in the next bidding phase (Emp gain the spice from bidding), but you should have your army to harvest spice you know... Visual confuse on the Atreides face... Btw Emp have won that game in turn 5 xD And because of these moments the game is legendary, just like TI. It is complex, not without flaws, it is a bit long (btw wit experienced players 6 player is 1.5-2.5 hours), but it is one of the greatest board games ever made. Justblike all big epic game. Oh, and Cody, did you tried it with the expansion? And the second expansion is comming. Try the game with them before you sell it ;)

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

I’ve got the expansion but haven’t played with it yet. It is definitely a game that tells stories. Thanks.

[@martinritchie7576]

I love the every time someone talks about dune they they play the original David Lynch dune soundtrack, I still believe David Lynch's dune is the best dune movie ever made, I don't care what Frank Herbert fans say. And I am also a fan of the Syfy miniseries of Dune too. I really think the new dune remake is really unnecessary and really if it wanted to start a new franchise should have just told the whole story of dune in one movie. That way we can actually start seeing Messiah instead of dune part 2. But anyways with my rant over with, I love the original dune board game, but I also love this version of it too because it's a good starter for beginners and for people who don't like the complexities of the original game, this version of the game is friendlier for people who don't like complex games.

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Yeah - this is definitely more of a "gateway" Dune game. Thanks.

[@Nominrath]

Yeah… That’s my issue: Do I get this and tank the 2019 Dune? I love the 2019 game, but it really does only work at 6 players, takes a long time, and can feel super swingy with the asymmetry of the factions… In short, it’s difficult to get to the table, much like TI. This appeals as a truncated, streamlined version of that game for less players, less time, and just easier to get to the table. It saddens me to say it, but I might have to ditch the 2019 reprint.

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

I’m still debating.

[@monomundo]

The original was one of the first games I played and I was pleasently surprised with the reprint at a very affordable price. Also, it has a nice place in my collection to fill a complete afternoon with five other passionate gamers. It also does not take too much shelf space ;) My advice would be... keep it! Love the 100% bearded version, btw :)

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

@@monomundo I appreciate your comments. Thanks.

[@bergsteiger09]

Have you played Dune Imperium? I wonder how they stack up against each other...

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Very different games: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2O1i4KijKt2h6c

[@bergsteiger09]

@@TheDiscriminatingGamer Thank you for the link. Both look fun, but Imperium seems more interesting to me. Will try it out one of these days.

[@snorni]

The diplomatic aspect and overpowered combos are the most important thing, so 2019 stays :)

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Interesting perspective.

[@pauls3585]

Please talk about the Dune movie

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Thanks!

[@garicb9271]

4 player game playable in 2 hours or less? sounds like expansions are incoming.

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Very likely.

[@Ad3tr]

Review the Battleship movie.

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

No... I don't think I'll be doing that...

[@johnf285]

Is that “Nemesis” lurking in the background? Is a review forthcoming?

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Just enjoy them as they come!

[@klimatpsykologi]

You kept saying "Axolotl tanks" instead of "Tleilaxu tanks" :D

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

I read the books, baby!

[@klimatpsykologi]

@@TheDiscriminatingGamer I didnt even realise that was the right name, had to look it up

[@aaronraw]

I wanna play that one!

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

And so you shall!

[@The1Def]

Keep the beard, Cody.

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

We’ll see.

[@rbaynosa]

this or dune imperium?

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Still mulling that one over. DI does have a solo option, though.

[@MortalWombat1988]

We're sad here about the streamlined diplomacy, but I cry the most bitter tears for the omission of Bene Gesserit mindreading brainfuckery BS. That whole mess made the oldschool game great for me. Please tell me I can at least nuke the hell out of the Shield Wall mountains in this one still.

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Ha!

[@matthelion]

Do you have five other friends or only three other friends?

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Where I'm living now... I have no friends...

[@jawsvvvvv]

Review the movie!!

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Maybe I will, Jared. Maybe I will...

[@hanng1242]

It seems to me to be a big deal that a game based upon a movie based upon a novel about politics, and that advertises itself as "a game of conquest and diplomacy." lacks the diplomacy aspect.

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

That aspect was a little disappointing, but it is still a very fun and engaging game.

[@rmcdaniel2424]

Its VERY hard to put diplomacy in a game mechanicly because if you do your forced to do diplomacy it ends up like Ankh and everyone shits a brick lol. Diplomacy is very much player driven.

[@hanng1242]

@@rmcdaniel2424 I agree, but it can be done. I thought Rising Sun did it pretty well since it let allies share the full benefits of the respective mandate that each ally chose, thereby encouraging alliances. I think that Mistborn: House War and Court of the Dead: Mourner's Call also did it well by having a shared short-term goal the penalizes everyone if not fulfilled, and only benefits those who contribute.

[@rmcdaniel2424]

@@hanng1242 forsure. I wish the old fine has Rise of Sun mechanics too.

[@rmcdaniel2424]

Curious on your opinions on Dune the movie. Hopping its not the same drama that KZbinrs are brining up about the original being better even though most people thought it made no sense. I went to that movie when it came out. They gave you a sheet of paper that explained what the characters names are because they didnt say it in the movie, which is funny because then they will say the new dune movies characters are not fleshed out enough. Seems like KZbin vs outside of KZbin is two COMPLETELY different worlds. I am shocked that part 1 is as entertaining as it is. This is spot on with the book and part one of the book is BORING! LUL. I always trust your opinions and would love to hear them on it!

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Thank you, sir.

[@tcp1623]

Congrats with the beard - you (finally) look like a man now :)

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

Took me long enough!

[@LevZhivaev]

Yes, let's talk about that overrated movie! Denis Villeneuve is a totally overrated director. Great technical guy, sure. Constructs a great looking visual, no doubt. But an actual *film* director - he is not! Come at me! ;)

[@TheDiscriminatingGamer]

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