Nintendo's Lawsuit Gets Worse

The Pokémon company and Nintendo have sued pocket pair for patent infringement… and you and I need this lawsuit to fail. While it may seem like this is just another Nintendo lawsuit, there is more history at play here that extends even past palworld that many well-meaning commentators are not aware of. Just so you are up to speed, the Pokémon company and Nintendo are NOT suing palworld because of the obvious similarities between the monster designs, that would fall under copyright. A patent is for a game mechanic. While we aren’t completely certain what patent is being infringed upon, this does raise the question of whether a company with a large enough of a budget such as Nintendo can bully smaller competitors into silence, ultimately suffocating creativity. By that logic, what’s stopping call of duty from patenting FPS mechanics? What’s stopping magic the gathering from patenting CCG mechanics? What’s stopping dark souls from patenting rolling mechanics?
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[@TDTProductions]

Loving the genuine intrigue in this topic as this type of thing is very near and dear to me. Sharing around is appreciated for awareness!

[@tremendousmilk3749]

I wonder if anyone else would be interested in seeing you stream Palworld now. I know I would!

[@GamesProject]

We are actually aware of one of the patents infringed. Here : "In a first mode, an aiming direction in a virtual space is determined based on a second operation input, and a player character is caused to launch, in the aiming direction, an item that affects a field character disposed on a field in the virtual space, based on a third operation input. In a second mode, the aiming direction is determined, based on the second opetion input, and the player character is caused to launch, in the aiming direction, a fighting character that fights, based on the third operation input." For those who doesn't want to read or don't understand, this is basically the concept of throwing an item at something, which in here would be throwing a pokeball. However there is loads of issues in that. Those are : - The concept of the patent is extremely vague. Because of the vagueness, throwing a grenade at an enemy in a shooter would infringe the patent, making the whole patent unreliable. - The patent was filed on May 2nd, 2024, which is several months AFTER the release of Palworld and decades after the pokemon licence started. - The patent was accepted in August and Nintendo attacked in September. This is clearly a deliberate act of lawfare where Nintendo want to hurt Palworld financally as hard as possible.

[@zero_karma0496]

I’m so glad you’re bringing attention to this, I genuinely hadn’t heard of this until now, thank you for letting me know about this happening Edit: also, hope the channel transition works out, I sadly cannot say I’ve been terribly supportive because I’ve been busy with college and all that but I do still love your content and hope you’re able to succeed.

[@jaysick3868]

“In a world where money talks silence is deafening.” You got me with that line

[@Epicmonk117]

IIRC Nintendo filed this patent _after_ Palworld came out, so PW should be protected from retroactivity.

[@alaricpaley6865]

I was just watching a Legal Mindset video where he breaks this down, and it turns out what Nintendo did was Piggyback off an existing parent patent to make these new ones that they can retroactively enforce to the date of the parent patent. It also let them split an older patent into several subpatents that Pocketpair now needs to defend against. Basically, this is entirely a weaponization of the patent system to try and kill a studio that stepped into Nintendos turf.

[@koffeinekyle]

My biggest example to people of the opposite of this, is playing a game while there is a loading screen. It expired in 2015 I believe but nobody puts minigames in the loading screen because of this, a really fun mechanic but others couldn't use because of companies patenting it. Edit: Also the AWESOME system in LOTR Shadow of War is patented, which is why we can't have such an amazing mechanic in single player games

[@Bersh-xq4jy]

You watch cr1tikals video too?

[@koffeinekyle]

@Bersh-xq4jy Nah, just been here a while, but now I have a Charlie video to watch

[@Bersh-xq4jy]

@@koffeinekyle yep. He literally makes the exact points you do with some more. It's a shame that even the shittiness of patent suing is becoming predictable.

[@koffeinekyle]

@Bersh-xq4jy i absolutely hate it, i love the developers who have such innovative ideas that move the industry forward, only for that innovation to be boxed off, then shelved as the series has no known future and is the only game with these mechanics in place until expiration or renewal. It chokes the industry, and is part of why we are in such a poor state of video game preservation and accessibility.

[@joshuadavids8535]

Interesting, D&D tried that with the D20 system, and they lost. As the courts said you can't patent game mechanics.

[@gacrazy65]

Keep in mind this is the Japanese Legal system. Their court has different rules. I'm very interested in seeing what patent Palworld is being accused of infringing on, and I'm enough of a Devil's Advocate to not assume this is nothing. I can't really think of a patent here that holds up besides: 'the act of putting monsters in balls to fight with later' but I ain't a legal expert for the land I live, much less anywhere else. I'm honestly shocked this ISN'T a copyright thing, because some of those designs were REALLY too similar to Pokemon to me to be safe. When it looks like they traced Lycanrock and Lucario and painted them different colors, I thought that would be the lawsuit. EDIT: Also fuck WotC and go ORC

[@arsonist_yokai]

@@gacrazy65 The patent, which was approved in August, is basically the capture mechanic and battle mechanic, its stupidly vague.

[@noahedenborg4221]

nintendo trying to sue palworld for throwing an object at a creature and it becoming friends meanwhile (from what i heard) dragon quest just there

[@ProjectXv2]

*THANK* you. So many people are ignoring this aspect and the bootlickers don’t want to admit it…

[@auraengribble2054]

This video is actually great. The difference in that it is a patent lawsuit, compared to a copyright lawsuit, was something I didn't know about. This helped me understand what was going on with the lawsuit much better.

[@mxrandolph4539]

Nintendo has always been dirty. They will charge full price for a 4 year plus old game. Nintendo aka 'Dirty Ninja'.

[@DarkSaitama]

What really kills me about these lawsuitis that Nintendo changed 5 patterns a month ago to then sue them , and that is perfectly legal but is just a dick I got enough money to screw you over, just because you are making too much money and making me look bad.

[@luistijerina1164]

If Nintendo wins this, im done with them.

[@rossemklyn401]

They want to sell licenses to use mechanics eveyone is using

[@porterde08]

That’s illegal. They will and should loose. If i was pocketpair, I’d countersuit

[@Nytrusdeathcyde]

here it may be illegal but in japan is it illegal?

[@daydr3amer120]

Iirc Nintendo filed the patent they're suing palworld for back in like Februaryish

[@BlahBlahBlahBlah69]

@@daydr3amer120 unfortunately no the parent patent was in 2021. Pocketpair made the mechanic first with their game they released in 2020 and they assumed they were safe with their next game which they announced in 2021 the same year as the patent. Although I don't know if the parent patent came before palworlds announcement. It's bs and nintendo and pokemon are rabid crazy dogs.

[@SilverGamingFI]

Nintendo, nintendo nintendo, what went wrong with you?

[@gabecastillo5082]

Destiny is dead

[@CephalonAxii]

@@gabecastillo5082 Relevance to the current topic at hand?

[@mena10ss]

Nintendo has been like this for decades

[@gabecastillo5082]

@@CephalonAxii the guy was asking what went wrong with him for talking about Nintendo. For context he used to be destiny channel.

[@CephalonAxii]

@@gabecastillo5082 Except Silver is talking about Nintendo, not TDT here. It’s a question about Nintendo, to Nintendo. It’s like those situations where you are looking at an old photo, and someone asks. “Man that was you? What went wrong? 😂”

[@SnowFootprints96]

Coromon and TemTem have been my favorite monster tamer type games outside of pokemon. They just don't break the mold enough compared to Palworld. If this lawsuit goes ahead then the likelihood of people innovating more on this genre is unlikely.

[@CephalonAxii]

100%. They need to lose this. It just sucks that it feels likely they will win, simply because of just how much sway Nintendo has in Japan.

[@Ima9ineBreak3r]

I love so many of the games that Nintendo makes. I hate how they're legal department handles things so much.

[@Shadow-Wolf-]

Nintendo needs to Grow. Up. They feel threatened? Do Better. Be better. Don't just kick the little People. Cause soon, Nintendo will be kicked in return. And when that day happens, no-one will shed a tear for them.

[@Nytrusdeathcyde]

im pretty sure that may be soonish? i see this as an attempt at a monopolization of this kind of game

[@trainershade1937]

I'm pretty sure another reason Palworld is being targeted, but other games aren't, is because there was a high quantity of bitchy Pokemon fans who hysterically harassed Nintendo / the Pokemon Company about Palworld's existence. Nobody wants Pokemon to stagnate more than it's "loyal" community, who may as well have made the games their identity.

[@elijahbowers1]

Screw Nintendo. What a bunch of scumbags.

[@jackgammon1490]

Did Nintendo go after Pocket Mortys?

[@Seej_]

I'm actually digging getting the same level of production from you for different ips. It's refreshing.

[@tremendousmilk3749]

I'm glad that someone's finally spoken out about this, especially since you elaborated on what kind of lawsuit this actually is! Patenting game mechanics is absolutely asinine, and what Nintendo is trying to do is just corporate bullying. They didn't go after Temtem, they didn't go after Nexomon, they didn't even go after Cassette Beasts, but they chose to harrass Palworld because it's actually making money. And you know what the funniest part is? Nintendo "took inspiration" from Dragon Quest for the monster designs. This is genuine bullshit, and I can only hope that Nintendo loses this case in as spectacular a way as possible. Pocketpair, good luck. I'm rooting for you.

[@BEANZ____]

if from soft patent dodge rolls that could mess up Nintendo

[@kylelopez7631]

I don't remember which company made shadow of morder but they copyrighted the nemesis system and haven't even used it again. What's the point? You shouldn't be allowed to gatekeep ideas. If that was allowed nobody would be able to make any game ever without being sued to oblivion.

[@porterde08]

That’s why it is illegal. And why Nintendo will loose.

[@HouseOfHuzzah]

Nintendon't...

[@sundown2852]

Im glad to see you putting out content

[@arusark3239]

I believe the patent was disclosed and it's one they filied after palworld had been out for a few months. it's definitely something to try and keep hold of all they have

[@bleddingmaster]

Worst thing about this case is the fact that it's happening in Japan I wouldent be shocked at all if they side with Nintendo

[@rickvine8955]

I saw in someone’s vid the specific mechanic was “a character throwing a ball to catch a creature in a field”. could be wrong tho

[@RtheDoost]

I recall seeing a post recently that discussed a little about the patent in question. Supposedly that patent was submitted or finalized this year. After Palworld was already a game. But that could have been a speculative post. Either way, definitely a scummy move by the big Nin, and one that is solidly anti player

[@BlahBlahBlahBlah69]

I appreciate your video. I'm a fan of pokemon since they started and been a fan of palworld since it announced in 2021. Its a long shot for pocketpair but I'm rooting for them. It's also bs they made the throwing aiming mechanic first in craftopia nintendo patented it a year later the same year palworld was announced.

[@oesntdatterm9548]

It has to do with throwing balls in the game. No joke. It was leaked, and has been confirmed. It's too broad of a patent, and will likely be thrown out.

[@porterde08]

Pocketpair needs to countersuit, and I suggest everyone chip in.

[@blacktemplar707]

Your lack of mention around the patent in question "player throws ball at x to capture creature x" basically, could be confusing to others that haven't read about the specifics. Also from their wording of the patent it almost could apply to freaking thrown grenades basically

[@Nytrusdeathcyde]

was that the patent? i thought that was just people taking a wild guess

[@duskbringer4583]

Agreed... I don't want Palworld to go, I have fun with the game - especially as it does not need separate console for it! I hope that Nintendo lawsuit fails... I agree with this. Hopefully Judge sees like this and puts the case down.

[@willsmith4822]

After reviewing a bunch of the information I truly believe if it had just been the game and nothing else Nintendo may have slapped them on the wrist and moved on. I think the partnership with Sony and formation of Palworld Entertainment for the use of expanding the brand caused the true issue. You can steal an idea make a game and make money, but when you try and create an entire franchise out of stolen ideas that causes some heads to turn.

[@porterde08]

They crying over one game my man and a mechanic in it. Not a franchise.

[@YesImBraindead]

The more I look into this the more I realize that Gen 5 was really the last good (if not great) pokemon generation, but it got hit so hard by disinterest that nintendo pivoted to cheap bullshit with their games. No more content overload like in emerald or HGSS, no more good stories like in BW(2), just trying to make something for money and if their lucky, they hit a good note (like recent story beats and boss music, at least imo).

[@aresgodofwar7401]

So Nintendo is going to have a real bad day if Harvest Moon decides to sue Pokemon for similar game mechanics. Same with a plethora of other games of the past that we all know such as Dragon Quest. Nintendo is just butt hurt Pal World is still going stronger then they expected.

[@jharinga77]

So play palworld now just in case I never can in the future. Got it

[@youaremaidenless6664]

Love your content bro hope you're feeling better now that you're moveing away from D2

[@mikeyhylton7160]

Love the video! Thanks for talking about this

[@redmastergamer64]

I've played every pokemon game and I can say this, pokemon has been devolving over time, I've played palworld and palworld it's more a rust game than pokemon and yes I like palworld.

[@whosmaxii]

man not playing destiny has taken a toll

[@Nytrusdeathcyde]

ok so how do we get this lawsuit and this message to the public? im sure if it went public a lot if people would not buy Nintendo products. it would also scar thair reputation. also im prety sure this even in japan is an attempt at monopolization wich im sure even in japan is illegal.

[@ashleejones586]

I’d say boycott the next Pokémon game….but we all know that’ll never happen. This is low as fuck, Nintendo

[@Nytrusdeathcyde]

if this message and lawsuit goes publicly world wide i can see it damaging Nintendos reputation and may cause loss of sales

[@ashleejones586]

@@Nytrusdeathcyde as it should, this is ridiculous

[@Destiny-lb6mp]

Second. XD This Palworld thing is nuts. Nintendo just didn't like losing to an upstart. That's the pretty simple of it really. ~LewdVRCouple

[@iRondanye]

Palworld is definitly so much better than pokemon today. I havent played it yet but seen how it is. Palworld = Pokemon + ARK had a baby. Pokemom today all it does just pure remakes and its lame now. The only only remake i played was Omega Ruby, Black 2 and ultra moon, but didnt play the original for those games. I played original red blue yellow gold crystal sylver. I skipped a lot. Just not worth it. Hope nintendo loses and put to shame.

[@peterbraudt7894]

Yeah. Biblical ref gets a down vote from me. Free to do what you want, and I'm free to have my opinion on projecting that.

[@MonogamousPigeon]

So you watched the video to the very end, saw a bible verse for a split second, and that made you rethink the whole video? Pretty shallow take dude.