TDX's Problem With Tower Balancing

[@MrGnomeX]

I forgot to include this, but in tower battles, you can efficiently use golden commando and the normal commando in the same loadout, but in tdx once you get the golden juggernaut there is no point to continue using the normal juggernaut. In tower battles, none of the towers get replaced except 4. In tdx, almost every single tower gets replaced with the golden towers or warship, etc.

[@Nick-rn8bp]

once u get even xwm/G-ranger there's no point for juf, emphasizing on XWM

[@aestronk-hungryball]

normal jugg is still better in elite and easy mode believe it or not

[@purpleguyreal]

Maybe they could nerf the g jug price like even more expensive to make juggernaut more viable, but with the catch of more range

[@aestronk-hungryball]

@@purpleguyreal the thing is you kinda need guggernaut to be cheap to be able to beat impossible maps expert

[@tdmaster1904]

​@@aestronk-hungryball The issue is that towers are not the only things that suffers from powercreep in TDX. Once you have the towers to win Expert and play Endless mode, there is literally NO POINT to play Elite mode and below.

[@Shereen3]

The problem is, some towers feel like they're specifically designed for endless, like XWM, Golden Jugg, and Golden Ranger, which is why they feel so broken when used in the NORMAL gamemodes (intermediate, elite, etc). They should rebalance endless mode and the end-game towers in a way that they're not oriented for endless only and are actually balanced for the normal modes.

[@MrGnomeX]

agreed

[@balls-zh6oq]

Nah g jugg fells like bottom path ground warship and top path minigun rail gunner

[@Silly3223]

It's true.

[@kiaragarcia1998]

тбч golden jugg isn’t even good in endless let alone expert, I can never beat wave 70 with golden juggs cuz I try to get the most possible, and guess what? I. DIE.

[@bendysama1728]

Bc most people are skill issue and only use oil rig, ws save their butt many times, so the gjugg are living, it's much harder without ws.​@@kiaragarcia1998

[@quicklolobino]

to be fair, balancing is a lot easier when there is basically only one mode without making the other modes piss easy

[@onlinename7697]

Yeah, You also have to worry about power creeping the other towers, As of right now Golden Juggernaut is just a direct upgrade to the normal variant and golden ranger is by far the best early game tower.

[@Zach1221]

As someone who started playing TDX since launch, I'll say that the towers are somewhat balanced. Like yes Golden Juggernaut is stupidly OP on modes that are not endless, but even then Golden Juggernaut isn't as good as regular juggernaut when on modes below expert. Golden Juggernaut is really only viable in expert and endless since those modes have more waves which allows players to farm or save up to place down their golden juggernauts and upgrade them, plus the constant stream of armored enemies on both expert and endless keeps golden juggernaut useful. Where on as for example elite, regular juggernaut would be much better off since it's more cost efficient than its golden counterpart

[@bendysama1728]

I don't actually fully agree especially when tb only have 2 modes and it's easy to ballance. And especially cryo blaster and mine layer is one of top tier towers in expert and endless mode, the previous towers is not useless, just harder to be used, i can cheese expert with farm,sniper,john,mt, edj and juggernaut. And in tdx there are so many resistance, comparing both game is actually kinda hard, bottom path juggernaut is not that really useful in the later waves of endless,xwm and top path g juggernaut has better performance. Those towers are made for endless, ofc it will be broken in lower mode,but you still need brain to use those, especially modes lower than expert has bad eco, which makes gjug useless,golden ranger is also super expensive except the bottom path, and both path has no stun resistance. You cannot just only use golden in endless, try singularity golden only at least, you will see how stupid you are using golden only outside oil rig, bosses are too focus on warship that save your butt many times. That's why xwm is far better in endless. All they need to do is just make the higher modes harder the towers are fine, we already receive ce nerf which makes golden gjugg is harder to use. I hope that they make bosses attack more often. And please DON'T PLAY ONLY ON EASY MAPS.

[@dracoledraconoligist]

Endless towers are power creeps and can still shred expert mode.

[@bendysama1728]

​​​@@dracoledraconoligist you don't even read everything i said, foolish,get a brain at least

[@simususk302]

@@dracoledraconoligist Thats in every single tower defense game, in tds you see people flexin with accelerator or engineer (which costs 4000 robux or so) In TB you see people flexin with golden commando and phaser, in tdx you see flexin with these golden jug and xwm. Its all the same, just enjoy the quality of the game. I dunno why people hate on tdx so much when it does **some** ways just better.

[@dracoledraconoligist]

@@simususk302 Who says I hate TDX? And yes, every game has towers that are going to be better. The problem isn’t just “towers that are stronger,” the problem is how some towers in pretty much every TD game completely overshadow other towers, removing the usage of them from the face of the earth in pretty much every situation. Power creep is when developers make new content that shuns the usage of older content, not just something being better. For example, when 2.0 dropped, Granger completely overshadowed the use of laser gunner. The bad part about this is that it just lets some content (laser gunner) be forgotten almost entirely for people who obtain new content (Golden ranger). If power creep was just “some things being better than others = bad,”the solution would be ruining the game by ensuring every tower-no matter the price-is on the same level, making grinding almost pointless and turning TDX in to BTD. Side note: Obviously laser gunner can still unstealth enemies permanently which is a really powerful tool, and they’re going to buff him soon so he has a little more stuff that G. Ranger doesn’t, such as an even better unstealth ability and a top path ability too.

[@bendysama1728]

@@dracoledraconoligist *game progression

[@tdsvibe]

with the slammer added, it kinda voids the use of gren lmao

[@MrGnomeX]

you're right, i should have mentioned that

[@theoneandtruly]

You're kind of right except that gren is nearly 20x cheaper 😭

[@keppelin1527]

that's what you should get for paying 22k so seems fair to me

[@3days_left]

​@@keppelin1527 if they would continue like that the power creep I gonna be horrible

[@tdsvibe]

@@keppelin1527 that is NOT the point of the vid 🙏

[@kcssi4662]

towers are mostly balance but their useful for the four modes not all are used for endless mode, also endless might be a temporary mode this would be change and will be implemented into all modes meaning when you win a mode you can either continue the waves or leave and take your money this was planned stated by John this can explain why we have nightmare and ultra in the works.

[@Twisted_guy]

Are we gonna talk about the fact wave 179 is impossible without cryo in endless.And I feel like using patrol boat is more a of a challenge rather then a tower you will use

[@ReguralHuh]

the best wave you can reach is 173

[@taxidriver3797]

@@ReguralHuh probably meant 170, 9 is close to 0.

[@neelimavaishnavi6520]

Patrol Can deal 690 dps on bottom path. It it basically a cheaper jugg. Belongs in a tier

[@D.V.-qq9fh]

The biggest issue in balancing a tower defense game is the economy. It is physically not possible to balance out towers to fit all modes; the harder the hardest content, the more broken the most powerful unit. You feel this for units that were obviously designed with endless in mind. Money, should be a struggle. If money is handed to you, the your sole limitation is also the strenght of your units. While if every descision on how you spend it matters, any unit can be balanced for any mode, because of what you can and can't afford anyways. A hard game mode shouldn't just need more power, it should also need a better use of your "powerful" units.

[@rrounderr]

I 100% agree with your take! Great job explaining it thoroughly!!

[@MrGnomeX]

thanks!

[@BuzzardClaw]

Balancing does need to be fixed. Such as why add or make operator skins if the tower is useless to use. You won't even be able to see the skin because it won't go far like laser gunner of G ranger.

[@RedfiveClassified]

operator isnt useless....

[@goldenzed6455]

@@RedfiveClassified Yeah but when you are in end-game content. It is useless. People usually want towers that are useful for the majority of the game, like laser gunners, juggernauts, toxicnators, edjs, johns, etc.

[@RedfiveClassified]

@@goldenzed6455 watch yuuk, ig u could say he is endgame content Imo endgame is when you got stuff done and ur tryna complete the side quests like beating elite on deserted with 4 towers

[@JustNemesis1]

0:49 this feels really incorrect I’m a lvl 133 player in tdx is expert mode is a breeze for me even without the “meta towers” 🤓 I find cyro an amazing use in expert mode especially on the blade works map and the deserted island map if ever playing on expert (u have to use it in a smart way) Now sniper this tower is kinda unused after u get like laser gunner or a higher lvl but sniper is very underrated in expert mode u can beat the mode with only using sniper and farm no power ups either (this is gonna be hard to even do but possible) Now mine layer this tower was just the goat of expert mode on the final wave and still is also can provide use in endless mode The bottom path is just obviously so good Patrol boat this tower is relatively decent in early game mid game and late game It’s hell fire Missles on top path is beautiful (I recommend using it on fort summit) with decent DPS The only problem is stealth except for that I find it good in expert and can last at decent waves while I farm Missle Trooper This can be really good with shredding down the knight on wave 10 and provides good coverage in mid game and late game The MRL bottom path upgrade is really good especially when u spam a lot of it in expert don’t spam to much though it will still provide good crowd control Operator Humvee Spam People just don’t know how to use these type of towers right and their uses

[@AVERAGE_TDX_PLAYER]

In fairness, it's be kinda boring if a beginner tower could do well in hard modes. Then there would be no point to the game, it'd be too easy. I do think that maybe for the normal game modes the golden towers and turret should have a small placement limit. Like one or two, forcing you to use other towers.

[@Bibi_Dude]

Bro why would u use a tower with a placmeent linit of 2💀💀💀 and why woukd towers deisgned for an endless mode have a tower cap💀💀💀

[@AVERAGE_TDX_PLAYER]

@@Bibi_Dude I said in the normal modes they have a cap of 2 and in endless they will be the same as they are now.

[@Bibi_Dude]

@@AVERAGE_TDX_PLAYER oh mb

[@AVERAGE_TDX_PLAYER]

@@Bibi_Dude it's all good

[@neelimavaishnavi6520]

Besides some beginner towers are still useful in endless. Cryo blaster and cryo rangers freezing capabilities are great for bosses and can basically cheese the bosses. And shotgunner is good for speed running and his abilities are great

[@wendytds]

the problem is that Tower Battles has one main gamemode, which makes it easier to balance out every tower. This applies to PVP, as it follows the same game structure

[@Daintity]

the thing is is that tb has 2 modes while tdx has 5, making tb a lot easier to balance. there are many starter towers in the game because the game is keeping your attention with the multiple starter towers, so you have the motive and the option to switch between them, and even obtain them in the first place. the high amount of modes give each tower a purpose at some point in your journey while playing the game. not everybody is going to immediately try the hardest mode, they are going to have to get good towers to beat it. it makes it more difficult and (to some people,) more fun. both games just have separate balancing, some people have different preferences.

[@nicknick493]

hot take but gjugg/granger just shouldnt have been added, all they do is make other towers useless I actually think turret would be pretty balanced with its price and no buffs compared to regular jugg if it wasnt instantly overshadowed by gjugg

[@rahvun599]

They lack towers varity, makes player to stuck with the same loadout to achieve some good amount of waves in endless. It's like you do endless because you need money and power ups, not because you have fun to play it (me personally)

[@Brazil0987]

3:14 this aged very well

[@yo10057]

"Is this an opinion that claims that there aren't enough interesting options or is it an opinion that claims Cryo Blaster isn't useful?" "Haha, it's a good video." >look inside >claims cryo blaster isn't useful

[@NimTheOne]

Didnt watch the video

[@yo10057]

i did, he claims ranger, op, (not shotty), cryo blaster, mine layer, missile, and patrol are all useless in expert and then says "they can be used" which is an instant contradiction none of these towers are useless in expert except ranger. everything has a use which admittedly gets trivialised by gold towers existing but everything except ranger on that list is VERY usable, ESPECIALLY cryo blaster which literally makes expert mode impossible maps... possible. lol

[@yo10057]

he also claims that because waves in tb are less packed and their hp is lower that early game towers retain their usefulness, except all early game towers in tdx are balanced around that difference and are much more useful than in tb. Especially shotgunner which he specifically made a comparison about, even before it got super buffed.

[@rno3911]

It seems someone with a brain has written this comment. For real tho, don’t know why he expecting ranger to be usable in expert. And patrol boat is not even a bad early option either. The rest, as he stated, can be used, but can be replaced… hm, same thing goes for almost every tower in tower battles.

[@yo10057]

@@rno3911 Anything can be replaced. You only need one or two armor pen towers early game and by wave 17 you can usually get stealth armor pen up somehow. For instance, it's a bit inaccessible, but Sniper/Gren/Juggernaut can achieve this. The main issue with gold towers is they trivialise any strategy involved with the game - which I'm not a huge fan of when it comes to placing a tower that carries into and beyond late game (gjugg), but early game I have no problem with considering the varying skill of random people in quad lobbies (granger). And, yeah... While most towers in TB are balanced for the PvP, which is consequently why its towers and enemy design are so simplistic and in a way "perfect", in a survival lobby there are three clear options that are optimal and can replace everything in your loadout, and they're not even the gold towers. (Marksman, Commando, Zed)

[@clintivanorsolino9518]

Considering endless has alot more waves to be added, its possible that join might redesign the waves and move the buffed versions of common enemies to waves that arent meant to be triumphed. As for the towers, im fine with them being overpowered, as long as there are enemies that can counter them.

[@simususk302]

its the same in every game bruh. You progress, you get better towers, of course you are not going to use the freaking towers you dont need anymore. Those beginner towers are there to help you on your journey to getting better. When you are done grinding, this is like an achievment that you can sit back, relax and enjoy your new towers. Also, i feel like people say it its overpowered, cause in games like tds or tb, no tower there has like 1800 dps. Also, juggernaut can struggle in mid game in expert cause its way too expensive and designed for endless, its not gonna carry so hard, only in late waves of expert. And now the towers are more balanced with the laser resistance and stuff, now the new event, everyone uses operator in it. so now its quite good. Its the same in every tower defense game also, when you get the best of the best towers, like in tds, you spam early towers, farms then accelerator and win the game. After you kill them quicker with more better towers. Is that supposed to be op too? So thats gonna be viewed as unbalanced? Edit: in tb there were also mid towers that were never used and considered not good to use. -Also john will release nightmare mode, so that should balance things up even more.

[@MrGnomeX]

like your first 2 sentences proved you didnt pay attention to the video

[@TwainerYT]

TDX balancing is weird because the modes themselves are what need rebalancing not really the towers. The towers you mentioned that can’t be used in games like expert and endless very well can be used. Grenadier, Cyro Blaster, and Mind Layer are all top tier towers that almost feel like a necessity when playing endless. On top of that ranger and operator are great early game towers and can be used as cheap baits which is extremely useful in expert as well. Patrol boats are also extremely useful as well since their flamethrowers can burn right through anything without flame resistance and their range and DPS on the top path is just insane, I was using Patrol boat for the longest time and I only had just recently replaced it. Missile trooper has also been so huge in expert games since it just shreds through hoards of zombies with ease, it’s top path does so much damage and so much splash, and the missile trooper is extremely useful if you want to pass elite grenadier wave. Juggernaut is literally mentioned as one of the towers that you should have in order to even have a chance at expert, because it’s GREAT for expert and last night with my friend we got to wave 100 without golden juggernaut, our best towers were warship, juggernaut, rail gunner, and military base proving how useful juggernaut is. All the towers have extreme diversity they just need to be played correctly, and just because the towers are bad doesn’t mean the game is unbalanced, you’re supposed to replace you’re older and weaker towers with more newer and stronger towers the more that you grind the game. Their not supposed to be top tier towers just good early game towers and sometimes support towers as well, and once you can get more better versions of them you can replace them.

[@keppelin1527]

im still praying they will buff the top path normal jug cuz its so hard to find someone willing to use it

[@migueltroxx5534]

They should give it hidden detect cause aint nobody using it because it has armor pen

[@goldenzed6455]

@@migueltroxx5534 That would make laser gunner useless though. A better idea would be to make laser gunner's "Reveal Stealth" ability to be immune to jammer effects and have a slightly larger range. That way, you can use the ability to reveal stealth armored enemies for the top path jugg to shoot at.

[@crazy_dead_inside9581]

0:56 I can agree that ranger and operator are basically useless in modes like expert and endless, but other towers still have use in these modes (sniper, missle trooper and patrol boat in expert; juggernaut, mine layer, cryo blaster in endless), and of course they are not necessary since they have better variants that you mentioned, but they are pretty much basic requirements for those modes. 1:12 That might be just my opinion, but some tower replacements are wrong since they completely differ from the originals, and I find this as a mistake. 1:28 As a greatly experienced player, I can say that no, golden ranger can't replace laser gunner and toxicnator (atleast completely), as the laser gunner has more use than golden ranger throughout the whole expert game since it can do more dps than golden ranger with its piercing of 2 (which is quite just essential as splash damage in expert), and all of it comes at cheaper cost than golden ranger, while toxicnator is a support tower that debuffs enemies making them take extra damage. The only thing that golden ranger does better than laser gunner is early game defending, and the argument that golden ranger can solo expert by itself is nothing, be honest, most of the time you won't even bring golden ranger alone to beat expert. Other than that, there's nothing I have to say more

[@miguelarriaga7355]

The thing is towers like shotgunner / sniper / toxicnator Requieres skill to know how to use them in later modes like sniper can give hidden detection shotgunner can remove stunts toxicnator can give a "damge buff"

[@hannathlouise3293]

lil bro PLEASE dont forget the fact how LONG the grinding is 🙏 Elite Mode is only hard because of the Abominations, Revived Abominations and the Nuclear Zombies spam even with juggernaut i struggle with even on Medium or Easy maps. The balancing for it is not good at all and rn i just pray that there is some way to grind without needing to suffer 24/7

[@matadorc9990]

thats a skill issue when playing with bad poopoo starter units you gotta look at range cost effecieny pierce splash you can solo elite with just operator

[@xukadeghet4906]

what hard? buncha strat born to make the grind be easier and even brain dead

[@reconsider3735]

0:48 who's gonna tell bro about the sniper+patrol boat combo in expert

[@BlueBloxRoblox]

Grenadier is a pretty good tower to use in endless during the first 10 waves. Right on wave 1, you can place two 1-1 grenadiers and later upgrade them to 2-2, basically giving more range and splash damages. By the time there are leaks, Armored Factory can take care of that and the mrap basically rigs the whole 25 waves. Later waves, like in wave 80, grenadier become pretty handy in handling horde, stunning them for quite a while. That makes grenadier a great tower for early game and mid-late game. Though there are heavy competition with the new slammer tower, grenadier is still a great tower (solid A tier)

[@goldenzed6455]

My suggestion? Add a placement limit to the golden juggernaut. Like you can only place 20 at a time. Reduce the placement limit of XWM to 20 as well. That way, pre-endless late-game towers like normal juggernaut and railgunners will still be useful. The reason for this is because XWM outclasses and railgunners in the late-game. Both its top path and bottom path has effectively way more health than juggernaut and railgunner. Its bottom path has large range and its top path has even bigger range as well. It can also ignore bullet resistance so its damage is always consistent and its great for covering Golden Juggernaut's weakness of laser-resistant enemies. Golden Juggernaut outclasses juggernaut specifically. Its max bottom path has double the DPS of max bottom path juggernaut. It has larger range, nearly 3X the health of a normal juggernaut. And it has no placement limit. Meaning you can deploy golden juggernauts as much as your global tower limit allows.

[@GoldScoutTDS]

1:15 you’re wrong for some of them. juggernaut is a good tower to place in the back to get calamity’s summons. cryomancer can be used to slow down bosses, which can be useful for the 300% speed eradicator mark IV.

[@rahvun599]

You would not need Juggernauts for back lines when you have Golden juggernaut at the first place. You can't convince me that you play endless with the 2 juggernaut in the same loadout.

[@badliquidyawn]

you’re gonna need like 30 cryothrowers to freeze 300% speed eradicator mk4 and by that wave you’re gonna have all your space filled with turrets

[@badliquidyawn]

not to mention that wave is easy as hell anyway

[@DudeDerfus]

I feel they release overpowered towers for overpowered game modes to balance it out when people use intermediate towers to actually beat thesese hard gamemodes

[@maskednoob5885]

This game suffers so much from powercreep with no variety in your expected loadouts that’s why I stopped playing

[@Bruh-r5f]

Expert mode is pretty simple but u need 3 towers the sniper for flares armored factory for dps and patrol boat for splash dmg but its only possible if ur doing solo with 1.5x speed on and fort summit is the perfect map to grind u get 10k per hour with 1.5x speed plus if u havent beat it u will get bonuses for beating it medals will give u bonuses once u obtain that medal u cannot receive the same bonuses bc u have already obtained the medal it will just stick to the normal reward plus extra bonuses u get powerups for beating modes the reason why tdx dont want the players to get the same bonuses bc it will be pretty broken and its the new method in grinding and its possible to make players to abuse the new grind method and thats it i hope this helps out

[@tdmaster1904]

Ranger is probably the only tower to not have a usage in Expert. All other towers you listed have atleast niche usage in Expert mode : Operator has good cost efficiency, Sniper, even if it's essentially a worse version of Laser Gunner, can still do good dps and deal with a wide variety of enemies, MT's splash dps, cost efficiency and hidden detection makes it pretty decent for mid game, Juggernaut, despite it probably being the worst late game high dps tower, it still does really well if it's supported by anti swarm and armor pierce towers, Mine Layer is probably your best way to deal with endgame bosses until Railgunner, Cryo Blaster is VERY useful to beat Expert on very hard maps and Patrol Boat is straight up better than Golden Ranger up until hiddens come in. However, you do be right about the powercreep. It is true that many towers get completely outshined by other towers. Hopefully John fixes it eventually.

[@HowDo_IKnowBruh]

Massive cap, Juggernaut is so good because hp buff now, just use it with Edj and you're pretty much shredding MKII

[@Walker74382]

actually, if u don't have gjuggernaut, normal juggernaut could be a good alternative cryo and mine layer is used in a niche way in late game endless cryo used to freeze the mutated rush in 134 and mine layer to kill the assailant spam cryo and mine layer is absolutely necessary if you want to reach wave 150+

[@tea_kettle2322]

currently tdx just has set meta loadouts: grenadier + gjugg and supports wins any map in solo expert easily (and any mode overall probably), if you throw in more people and towers like warship or xmw turret, you can do endless and get to a high wave (especially if you pay 60% of the price of warship or gjugg for nuke) now i do have to say solo expert on impossible maps is really hard and takes a lot of skill but endless, wich is just about the best mode to grind for both money and powerups, needs no skill at all, you just need good towers and you wont get anywhere with skill if you dont have the best towers in game, at wich point i have no idea why you would play a gamemode that takes 2 hours

[@TBHreal]

i think the towers are perfectly balances i think the reason TB seems better is better if you used the same op towers over and over again on 1 mode it be annoying, but with the chance to use every tower it makes people unlock them all to fit there own playstyle and what works best for them. But in TDX there are multiple game mode which for people who had the time to achieve those better towers, people in TDX have a reason to get new towers to beat 1 game mode then move on to the next while makes the last towers obsolete as it is well harder and those towers would not have been made for that mode while in tower battles you would never have that problem since there is 1 game mode.

[@ImposterCookie331]

History of my experience in TDX, I'm an og btw. At release, we all thought jug was go to tower. But doing quad even with all using jug it proved difficult, jug having big dps didn't mean it could do that dps. Because main issue was everything is stealth armored, barracks legit made so much more work than jugs. Even Lazer Gunner uncloak was useless because jammers existing. Around that time nothing was pretty much S tier, all towers felt from average to good. But nothing was powerful. Tower variety was non existing, it was only Lazer Gunner top path spam. Oh and towers that is from early to late wave needs stealth detection in order to be good, without stealth detection it's 0 dps against half of enemies in the game. Which makes patrol boat still worst tower by a long shot. 1 needing inside water in order to be placed and most maps don't have water and 2nd no stealth detection for early. With more release of towers like railgunner, toxicnator and so on. There was beginning to be variety of tower which i liked. But problem was, railgunner not bottom path but top path became meta. As that path had stealth detection and be fully buffed by edj. That alone from mid wave to boss could do expert. Not much to say about the game on updates after it's release. Other than the fact there was more options to use towers. Then endless update come and all the towers we gotten of variety just went down. With changes and addition to enemies. Rail and lazer fell off due to lazer resistance. Bosses having loads of resistance as well does hinders lazer and rail. With other towers getting nerfed as well or not changed. The only viable option is now golden juggernaut, xwm and golden ranger. Warship maybe but it has problem of not working in most maps. All that buildup of tower variety died. Some towers in need of desperate buffs as well, like artillery. Artillery is only used for very niche cases and in those cases many towers can fill the role but also do it better. Grenadier and missle trooper all those does it better. Main issue with arty always been manual aiming which proves to be impractical when always needing to do other stuff, and no stealth detection... so yeah. Rest came in for having no changes for the tower. Cost efficent is low and dps even at max is low in current state. It gotten outdated pretty much. Oh and farm... probably the most controversial tower in the game. Now I will say I can solo expert without ever using farm. Everytime I tried doing farm, defense will fall off so I instead having to keep focusing on defending. 1st time game was out farm was kinda bad, for it's upgrades it was expensive and income was low for the cost. We would always getting so much more from enemies, even if farm was upgraded. Farm got buffed and is bit better but still not needed. In endless I see many using farms but for long run farm is absolute blown away from enemies that will give you from 500k-1m money per wave. It's 10 times more than what farm gives and worst of all, farms will constantly get destroyed by enemies in later waves. So when trying to upgrade farm over and over again. They will get poofed away over and over again. So it's literally no point to farm if it gets destroyed anyway.

[@doktor69420]

Bro really said he's an og while the game isnt even 1 year old lmao 😂

[@bnd7911]

Literally

[@ImposterCookie331]

@@doktor69420 it's half year old now

[@doktor69420]

@@ImposterCookie331 ok so that's even worse. Playing a game for 6 months is NOT og

[@tyrant8093]

I dont really get you whole point so ıll just try to answer as best ı can for what ı understood ıf ı have flaws please notify me so ıll make a more proper one 1-You want every mode to be possible to finish or atleast get significant amount with any kind of towers I would think this is ridicilious most modes should be able to let you use any kind of tower to handle certain situations with them but requesting all modes to have this? it sounds ridicilious theyre hardest modes designed for better towers that would ruin the feeling of getting stronger or grinding you can alredy do it with cheaper towers why you wanna grind for better ones in first place ıll go over the two modes you mentioned 1-1Expert Expert is fairly difficult you can just use sniper a tower that you can gain after winning few matches on solo to win it another example any kind of dps tower with stealth detection will most likely hold you untill midgame aka when elite grenadiers show up theyre the main difficult of the mode thats true but you will again also struggle with them if you dont play properly it depends on player but no thats not all theres superior towers that will make this mode completly easier golden railgunner can be your main dps tower and you would have no issue due to price being similar to juggernaut yet being able to ignore resistance enemies due to laser damage golden juggernaut simply better juggernaut theres nothing else to tell warship could need backup with another dps tower but surely will help a lot those towers makes job a way more easier than others thats true but theyre not easy to access considering you can get juggernaut in one day if you try hard enough or just play around one hour for few days and youll still get it while for golden towers or even warship you need to specially grind for them for hours even days 1-2Endless you cant just rely on golden towers due to laser gunners railgun wont cut it either but lets add warship to the mix since it wont also last more than apex predator on its own its best to mix all of them up you will still struggle why? bosses destroy towers easily and you cant just replace them easily like others theyre much more expensive recovering them is way more difficult going pass wave 80is always difficult even if you have a very good team you will struggle without usage of power ups your best bet is to coordinate with allies which you can alredy do with cheaper towers 2-You dont want towers that are superior to alredy existing ones in nearly everyway keyword nearly Thats a reason ı completly agree with a tower that is completly superior to another tower sounds ridicilious and current obtaintment ways arent helping it either making them cost more or require more level wont gonna cut it yeah it will take more time to get which will even be more consuming but still anyone with free time can get them this part is to difficult to deal with ı dont really have any suggestions towards this since any of them will require extreme effort Bonus-Events What do ı mean? in tower battles you need certain towers mostly strong aka good ones to be able to actually beat the event you need to be a lategame/endgame player to beat an event where ım coming for this? an event is a side content a side content shouldnt require you to be endgame in main game it could require you to be lategame player but endgame wouldnt cut it another example in tds night for 4 you needed golden minigunner/accelerator/ranger/pursuit/turret any other tower except those 5 for damage will never gonna cut it yet those endgame towers arent enough you need 4 players with all of those 4 endgame players to finish side content while you look at tdx both event modes on xmas doable by just midgame? lategame? ı honestly dont know where to place lasergunner or juggernaut rail farm edj john artilery etc in obtaining way but theyre fairly easy to get they could force you to use golden towers you can say well then those towers did not existed so it couldnt be ı wouldnt agree with but thats a possibility we need to see another event to see the end result but they could easily make another map for nightmare that you can place warship and make it impossible to win without warship

[@gamerrblx3763]

The question is, why does that matter? Specially for high ranks took effort to get to the position they are? Atleast it'll be usable for newer players for the old tower, plus they are made for endless and upcoming nightmare mode

[@Beanman87]

A tower shouldn’t be made for a single game mode. Xwm and g jug are too over powered and just shred expert. before the endless update which introduced those towers, it was super hard to solo expert. now to beat expert it’s just to spam g jug or xwm with no Strat.

[@iammas.511]

This aged well considering you need operator to do the th event

[@neelimavaishnavi6520]

Ghost can do the work just as well

[@Timi204Roblox]

Firstly.I do agree with most of this.However its hard to balance beginner towers to be good for all modes ,the thing is tower battles only has 2 modes, tdx has 7. The thing is if u make a tower for expert it would be extremely op in the lower modes and since well. By the time you can beat expert easily u will already have good towers (jug ,armored,rail and above)the problem is not the towers, its the gamemodes, they are trying ig.

[@KobraArab]

0:50 all of these dominate expert the flip you mean they suck

[@bruh_moment2833]

With the addition of medic some towers like missile trooper can be used all game in expert

[@121BuyIt]

Gold juggernaut, and ranger Balancing ammo That’s literally just it Give the ammo

[@randombingusenjoyer]

all i want is a golden juggernaut price buff, golden commando costs like 3 times more for only being 2 times better, and golden juggernaut costs around 1000 more for being infinitely better

[@rno3911]

Sorry, uh golden juggernaut costs about 67 thousand more…

[@Orangeisthebestlol]

Yo you can literally solo expert in oil ring with just armoured factory and ws or golden ranger for more damage but when you start with armoured factory which what I did always get the top path 1-0 then get 1-3 for the MRAP the get 3 M3 for stealth

[@Eggs_Roblox]

Yeah I hate leaving towers I love just for better ones like the armored factory instead of barracks

[@Mint3a]

The problem is, is that Ranger might need a nerf, it's just too OP for a starter tower

[@X_Killer7]

Yeah bro he is so op.He literally solo's ez mode no cap bro.Like bro he needs a nerf like reduce his dmg because a beginner tower beat the first mode in the game.No tower can ever do that cap.

[@NitroBladee]

tdx has a humongous power creep which i hate. in tds power creeping isn’t as bad i would say, some “mediocre” towers such as crook boss, ace pilot, electroshocker are usable and are in fact really helpful when it comes to sub dps support. In tdx other towers such as missile trooper are so useless because they just die super fast after intermediate+ and barely having any dps to be even considered “substitute areal damaging tower” and compensate for their fast death. like these towers ARE JUST SO GARBAGE AND USELESS BECAUSE THEY JUST GET SQUASHED LIKE BUGS AFTER LIKE A TICK FROM THE FLAMETHROWER OF ERAD MK2/APEX PREDATOR/etc

[@anthonyherran8491]

Missile trooper sniper. And mine can be used in expert

[@BaconNoobGaming]

GJ is stupidly balanced it needs a price increase at bottom path level 4. It should cost 87,150 total and do 600 dps and max level cost 150k

[@Someone-kn4fz]

Idk why elite early game is so hard, expert early game is so much easier and elite from wave 19 to 20 is so unbalanced, it just gets so hard from there

[@reconsider3735]

As for "well a tower isn't neccesary".. Well I hate to break it to you, but you only have 6 loadout slots. If the mode has certain towers be unnecessary then like, OK? A tower doesn't have to be neccesary to be useful, just fulfill a niche.

[@purpleguyreal]

They need to add something like the shotgunner like the healing ability

[@ricebowleater]

aw naw bro did you just replace juggernaut with golden juggernaut for expert and say he’s absolutely useless

[@fast5287]

tdx's balancing is still better than tb's by a long shot lol

[@whyuojpoop2439]

No l0l tb balancers are the smartest people to touch the game.

[@neelimavaishnavi6520]

Tbs balancing is the exact same tower every time. You get an early game tower to defend such as merc or barracks. Farm for a bit. Get a golden jugg with some supports from wave 25-39.. then get some phasers at the end to melt the void. It’s the same thing every time.

[@benjigaming6181]

I disagree with this video, when you brought up there were no reasons to use these towers in expert and gave the ‘better version’ of them, the thing is people who are playing endless likely do not have access to stuff like xwm, golden jugg, golden ranger etc. It’s just not ideal for those people to have them. Some of the towers you brought up are still really good in expert such as jugg which I actually believe is better then g jugg in expert due to the fact it’s way cheaper and can still win with relative ease, sure can’t handle everything, but if it could, what would be the purpose of using like rail in expert, jugg can handle most enemies with a bit of strategy and support. In terms of TB at this problem, well, commando on onwards dominate the late and mid game making all other towers that aren’t support or early game (can still be disregarded) obsolete. There pvp of course, but good luck trying to not face a 300+ trophies grinder who will destroy you. This is my opinion though, so you disagree with my statement if you want, no pressure:).

[@MrGnomeX]

gjugg is only good against the eradicator. and endless is barely possible past wave 100 without golden jugg or xwm😭😭 what is your point

[@Shavikaci123]

Tdx isn't about balancing. It's about having your pc crash with billion explosions

[@lynquilaton]

Golden juggernaut is almost impossible to get the grinding your life away

[@NooneE-pi3po]

Ctd's balancing needs to be reviewed, sicne its so good

[@generallyupsetfetus]

I feel like this is slightly disingenuous. What TDX really needs is an incentive to use the worse options, not a decreasing of good options. Take example a game like ULTRAKILL. In ULTRAKILL, you can probably beat the game by just holding m1 and shooting everything with the starter revolver. But that's boring. So the game gives you more guns, style meters, style rankings, locks some content behind playing stylishly/having fun, and adds hella blood effects for the dopamine. Both do the same thing, killing enemies (albeit stylishly does it much faster), but one is just so much more fun than the other. Yes, a possible incentive is to just scale everything down so towers can feel more equalized. But that'd clash with the hours spent to get certain towers.

[@neelimavaishnavi6520]

Some towers already have this such as cryo towers which are a must have for impossible maps due to the boss freezing

[@Angel-nh5qs]

Why tf someone would bring normal ranger to endless?

[@noob3702]

they need to rlly buff elite intermediate and expert mode and this wouldnt be a problem, also endless doesnt need a rebalance, people only easily beat it bc they are using strats and the best towers in the game and if u have that then anything is easy and they use easy maps anyways.

[@Hungary_0987]

Do you want it to be harder for newbies? Expert is hard enough

[@bendysama1728]

Are you sleeping or something? Both are already buffed.

[@alammohabbat7195]

you can still use normal juggernut in endless in my opinion

[@3days_left]

If you are planning to get past calamity it's just a waste of space

[@Eeeeeree]

Bro, the golden juggernaut takes hours of grinding

[@User_09897]

Tdx is a hard game, it’s can be beat with less towers but it’s easier with better towers. It dose have flaws but I think the waves balancing but I believe you just undermined it just a little to much

[@SkyLegend7750]

Not all tower tdx is overpowered. In the late game player like me, sometimes I get bored and want some sh*t things like 60 Bottom path artillery only in expert🗿 Offensive tower in expert 🗿 Spam 150 black van🗿 Fill entire track in landmines🗿 Endless mode in Carrier 🗿🗿(reward is crazy) Fill entire Railgunner and watch mk1 moment it enter the zone of dead🗿

[@muhammadyasser4362]

I mean jug can be pretty good for expert i mean for no level requirement and only 13k its pretty good

[@stein4915]

although you could of worded some of your points better, I do get with that you are saying and a honestly agree 👍

[@LeoSussman]

Laser gunner is still an a tier right above medic

[@Mayarkabbani]

Btw i would like to talk about the april fools maps ... armored factroy can SOLO EXPERT ON THE MAP LAVA WORLD HOW THE F##K A 12K COIN TOWER DOES THINGS A WHOLE LOADOUT CANT

[@syep12]

this video only applies to endless though

[@hibye4804]

Mine layer is not good in expert what

[@you.ie8]

Actually operator in endless is good early def in solo i did use it for early and win in endless solo

[@BlueBloxRoblox]

you won't get it far with OP in tdx

[@Boulder8105]

Im quite confused first you argue that wave skipping is the problem because it makes the game faster. You argue to that TB does it better by making wave on a set timer. Which causes the rounds to be roughly around the same. Then swapping the blame to op towers making the game fast in a speedrun, completely forgetting the mentioning of the option of wave skips. Which I would argue that TDX has achivements allowing the player to get stronger towers much much faster than expected, for example map bages and achivements. (I've seen ppl in TDX discord server players get G jug around lv 90 range before). Finally the average player can simply go on the internet to find speedrun strats. I don't like it bc it defeats the point of strategizing. But anyways from your other videos you seem to exaggerat an Issue according to the video title and thumnail soo..... yea I have an odd feeling you seem to be delivering packages of nothing (also to note: I don't know why you are complaining that your rounds are going faster by skipping bc faster rounds = more cash)

[@MrGnomeX]

im just saying that overpowered towers AND round skipping makes lower towers useless, which is disappointing considering they should totally be used

[@Boulder8105]

You are comparing a game with no round skips to one with also most towers in tdx is usable in some way not mentioning speedruns but speedrun loadouts are much more different compared to an average solo expert one. For an average player they also have the option to follow speedrun strats on YT (I personally dont like because it makes the game feel like a cook book rather than a TD game)

[@TheBacon-ei4kg]

They are used every once in awhile OR when the player is new + these OP towers are required to do certain things, for example: Blade works and Deserted Island on Expert, of course you could beat it without golden towers but it would just be much harder, + strats are needed in this game, people use mine layer alot, people use cyro alot, people use basically every tower at some point, *unless your an experienced player making an alt* and your basically calling strategies bad? Also The map balancing isn’t bad, it just needs improvement, and making hard maps easy by using strats IS GOOD BECAUSE IT CAN HELP PEOPLE PREPARE, OR GET TOWERS THEY WANT. you can’t just ask the devs to take away peoples strats, also did you or did you not just do the blame on towers and then switch it up to wave skipping, also I used to understand your videos in the theories but now they just make no sense like this video *not the theories* videos like these make no sense to me.

[@MarivicPeji]

What's up with the thumbnail tho?

[@onlinename7697]

Juggernaut Both golden and normal are mediocre towers ngl. Why does The golden one get an ability anyway ? It literally lasts 10 seconds and constantly needs to be micro'ed which sucks. I could probably understand if the ability was like an armor buff that could help the golden jugg tank hits without dying. Not to mention it has alot of the same problems normal jugg has. Normal Jugg is just WEAK. Its Health is a fraction of that compared to the golden jug I think its like 3.5k Top path for normal and 9.1k golden? Not to mention the fact that its top path is TERRIBLE, Sure its cheaper but paying 32k just so I can kill armored enemies faster? I feel like that's a bit unnecessary especially when you compare it to the shotgunner who gets it at level 0-4. The only Upside to the top path Jugg is its range which is like 10 more than bottom path and comes at the cost of dealing only 50% the damage of bottom path Which personally I think is fine, Up until you realize it also doesn't get HD at all??? Like this tower is just set up for failure. You better off using Buffed Operator to face MK2 on Expert.

[@OfficialMr_Duck]

me when i saw jugg replaced by gold jugg 😱

[@SH33Psheep]

i really dont agree.TDX balancing is amazing

[@NoobiusTheIdiot]

tds: am i a joke to you?

[@lasagna_lover192]

Fire video dude 🔥

[@ReBrandedd]

is this satire???

[@Brazil0987]

no

[@Beanman87]

The endless mode update ruined the game lol

[@jakubskowronski8097]

I mean tdx is just dps simulator

[@Kolakatten]

New trend unlocked Make fun of tdx balancing system Seriously though why is every1 doing this now?

[@MrGnomeX]

wait to you see my video later today

[@Kolakatten]

@@MrGnomeX alright

[@Pheonix_boys]

BALANCING G A M I N G😊

[@MrArtist360]

the thumbnail is seriously fucked

[@lynquilaton]

Try to do expert mode on impossible map without cryo blaster you are more six feet under yeah you're dead

[@alexkachu3905]

I don't know what to say... Genius (no)

[@Robert-o7k2y]

remi copy

[@MrGnomeX]

i asked remi, he said he was fine with it

[@BlueBloxRoblox]

you got that vertified now

[@CurrentlylikeTDS]

bro bouto cook TDS extremely hard on this one 💀

[@leonardotrujillo8661]

What's to cook on tds though? The outdated gamemodes? That's what makes the game pretty easy honestly

[@hi-mf5yx]

the hell do you mean? this video about tdx not tds lol.

[@Thelittledevilonyourshoulder]

Average KZbin commenter after seeing a typo

[@GHOST-OF-DARK-bo1sn]

Bro normal juggernuat is good on expert you just are so bad lol

[@MrGnomeX]

only for killing bosses lol. try to get past wave 31-39 with juggernaut

[@Eeeeeree]

Bro, the golden juggernaut takes hours of grinding