Teacher's scolding message to students not standing for pledge of allegiance goes viral, results in

The message chastised students who chose not to stand for the pledge of allegiance, calling them "extremely lucky to be living in the USA."

[@martin36369]

Having to make a pledge to freedom & liberty, seems to be a bit of a contradiction in terms!

[@ThreaT650]

EXACTLY

[@jacobbouknight5002]

That's like saying laws shouldn't exist because it's a free country. A free country doesn't mean you can do whatever you want whenever you want.

[@greatsageequaltoheaven8115]

​@@jacobbouknight5002That's exactly what it means.

[@greengreengreen5132]

@@jacobbouknight5002straw man

[@BrandonS-lk2qc]

@@greatsageequaltoheaven8115 That's not at all what it means. It means EVERY AMERICAN is entitled to: LIFE, LIBERTY, and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS. Laws exist for those common occurrences in which your "pursuit of happiness" infringes upon my "pursuit of happiness." But NONE of it exists without someone willing and ABLE to defend it. Stand up for the pledge you degenerate ingrate.

[@gl3110]

Adults getting triggered over the pledge of allegiance are weird as fuck.

[@ATP2555ify]

These the same adults they wanna give guns to

[@BrandonS-lk2qc]

That's because you don't have any experience or knowledge about WTF you're talking about. You don't know. You weren't there. If you WERE, you'd be just like us...and know exactly WHY you are too. STFU when the grownups are talking. Children are to be seen and not heard.

[@lilchromozome]

I stand for the pledge, but you don't have to do it. It's against the law to arrest someone or force someone to do it. West Virginia state board of education v Barnett made that clear. First amendment free speech clause.

[@Jculbs74]

L

[@TheGreatPapyrus-ko8wo]

@@Jculbs74 what do you not like what this person said

[@kane2440]

mississippi made it clear they dont give a fuck about your opinion lmao

[@Chris_HT]

@@TheGreatPapyrus-ko8wo to this day we will never know

[@TheGreatPapyrus-ko8wo]

@@Chris_HT Well it's been 6 months and he still hasn't responded

[@JochemVO98]

Wow we are so lucky with these basic human rights, thank God our overlords allow us to have these basic human rights.

[@vamsijannavarapu]

I think you would be surprised if you knew how many places exist in the world right now where your words would be literally true

[@gonkong5638]

@@vamsijannavarapu You will be suprise that your USA is a shit hole.

[@vamsijannavarapu]

@@gonkong5638 i never said it isnt. Though i will say here, you stand a chance ( although steadily diminishing) vs places where you cant even afford to question.

[@greengreengreen5132]

It is super fun and awesome to see which lamp goes out first!!

[@mewmew1026]

I love how the soldiers fought for our freedom but at this rate we got no freedom

[@scubo9373]

So freedom of speech doesn't exist to you?

[@mewmew1026]

@@scubo9373 we may have freedom of speech but it’s only limited to some things

[@jordior9540]

literally

[@gonkong5638]

The Rich send them to die til no one left to fight for your freedom.

[@comfycloudy6345]

What is youre freedom doing in the middle east

[@lullsbaby9321]

It pisses me off knowing full grown adults made kids (elementary school) recite the PoA. Kids who DIDNT KNOW WHAT THEY WERE SAYING. Thats like baptising a baby - course the baby doesnt hablve a choice, does it

[@lullsbaby9321]

@Brendan Lewis I will! I have! Especially knowing they're growing up in a brainwashed country run by bigots and oppressors!

[@jhettdavis1600]

The point is so the kids understand that its not just a little phrase we say every day its a part of AMERICA. STUPID!!!!

[@connorlyonsWrestling]

It’s called raising them correct and to stand for something that is the reason they are alive

[@likira111]

You dont make the baby baptise itself.

[@likira111]

@@connorlyonsWrestling So if your parents came to the country when you were a baby America is the reason you are alive?

[@joselopez6306]

first amendment right

[@xample4980]

You don’t have it unless your 18 or older

[@joselopez6306]

@@xample4980 not true

[@dakotastein9499]

@@xample4980 you are born with these inailiable rights...however what you DONT have the right to do is assault somone,regardless of age.

[@weytogoman]

@@xample4980 uneducated people like you are what's wrong with America ! I call y'all "sheepledawgs" , yep, i'm thinking a sheepdog keeps the sheep in line ... Sheepledawgs are sheeple that bark orders at other sheeple without verifiable knowledge or legal authority ... YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO NOT SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE In 1943, the United States Supreme Court confirmed that students in public schools have a right to not participate in the Pledge of Allegiance. At the time, the West Virginia Board of Education required all public school teachers and students to salute the flag and recite the Pledge of Allegiance. Two students, Gathie and Marie Barnett, refused to participate, stating that it violated their personal beliefs and religion, and were expelled. They brought a suit, along with other students who had refused, which finally ended up at the US Supreme Court. In a 6-3 vote, the Court ruled that it is unconstitutional to compel students to salute the flag and recite the Pledge of Allegiance. Since then, the rights of students have been clarified further. Federal courts have decided that not only can you keep quiet during the pledge, but you can also sit down or raise your fist in protest, as long as you are not disrupting others. However, many teachers and school administrators either don’t understand the law or still feel that it is okay to force students to participate. In recent years, students have been suspended or had their grades lowered for not saying the pledge. Teachers have also intimidated students and even physically forced them into standing for the pledge. These attempts to punish or force students into saying the Pledge of Allegiance are illegal and unconstitutional. If I need to simp it down ... You don't know what da fuck you're talking about ! www.youthrights.org/issues/student-rights/pledge-of-allegiance/ If he responds somebody please hit a thumbs button as those are the only notifications KZbin sends me and I'd hate to miss his response.

[@joselopez6306]

@@weytogoman Thank you for educating him.

[@dakotastein9499]

If you take a good look,you notice most of the people that try and intimidate those who don't stand,use soldiers as a point of argument despite never serving themselves.

[@swagmaster6973]

I'd never stand for a flag that lets its veterans go homeless

[@dakotastein9499]

@@swagmaster6973 I'd never stand for a flag period,especially if i was forced to...only communist countries like north Korea do shit like that.

[@aurora9252]

Why are people so fixated on making others chant with them? Lol

[@AbsoluteZero6714]

Yet there are countless soldiers from your country that have not only been psychologically scarred by war, they question what they’ve really fought for.

[@Br0kenh3art6]

@@aurora9252 SERIOUSLY. It sounds like a cult 😭 in my school, a lot of kids stand but they're silent. I sit and it's so awkward to sit but *freedom of speech*

[@venmen523]

Does that teacher realize that most other countries rid themselves of slavery before the U.S.? Yet, many of them don’t force a pledge. That teacher just realize that the U.S. is not the only good country in the world.

[@dgvette1]

Slavery exist since beginning of time through today all over world.

[@itachisenjux2675]

Dude it's just disrespectful not to say it if you don't want to say it get the f*** out of the country that's simple it's part of our American tradition and it shows respect to those who died for us in our freedoms and to those who founded our country if you don't do the pledge of allegiance that means you have zero respect

[@venmen523]

@@itachisenjux2675 Lol this conversation was a year ago. I don’t even remember posting this. Even then, I thought I was American tradition to not adhere to tradition. Kinda the point of a “free” country. So yeah, fuck the pledge. I’m glad it’s there for those who want it, but those who want to enforce it on others make it less likeable.

[@yeelanma9165]

@@venmen523 here in asia if u dont stand for pledeg u will be punished People in US are too much privileged to disrespect their own country

[@venmen523]

@@yeelanma9165 And that is wrong, to be punished for something so silly. It is not disrespectful to not stand for a pledge. It’s laughable how people even think it’s important on some cosmic scale. I am also not from the U.S.

[@thewanderer6981]

I bet 75% of all the students in that school are in the comment section.

[@sophiajafar1980]

What is this a prison now?

[@tuioktukkk7503]

No school is a Corporate brainwashing camp.

[@moxifica1924]

Always has been

[@rockhardcelery1214]

@Jason Harding the us school system was based on prussias school system, and its purpose was to turn children into obedient workers when they grow up. its literally a corporate brainwashing camp that also teaches.

[@staryhat6511]

@Jason Harding calling others names when you don’t even have your facts straight quite embarrassing

[@Tyler-ce3um]

@@tuioktukkk7503 could not have been said better, I can’t wait for the teachers to get angry because I was entrepreneurial enough to start a candy business.

[@OneFinalAutumn]

I find the pledge creepy, so I just don't do it. If people want to do it, fine, I won't get in your way, but leave me out of it.

[@l.ga.1061]

Pushing children into nationalism before they know what it even is

[@Chris_HT]

May i ask why? Im not gonna harass you or anything, not saying you think i will im just curious

[@tonyhall3845]

go ahead and leave the US bye bye

[@naverilllang]

​@@Chris_HTthe pledge comes off to me as cultish. I'm in the navy. I'll proudly and loudly recite the sailor's creed, because that's who I am, that's something I chose for myself. But pledging allegiance to a _flag_ is weird. Telling children to comply with a pledge before they're old enough to even comprehend the meaning of the words they say feels like indoctrination. They didn't choose to be born in America. They don't owe the US a damn thing, and certainly not undying allegiance. If, as an adult, you feel that strongly about your nation, if you're in a position where your loyalty to the state matters, and you wish to recite the pledge as an affirmation of your convictions, then by all means do so. Making children do it is creepy.

[@devilishdestructivedwarf2665]

@@naverilllang It is very cultish, and it's bascially state worship, which our founders would hate.

[@danescott5149]

It is impossible to have freedom of religion without freedom from religion.

[@Joe-pc3hs]

You do realize thats oxymoron right?

[@danescott5149]

@@Joe-pc3hs I'm sorry you don't understand the concept. It's not an oxymoron tho it's possible it could be just a moran that doesn't understand it or a religious zealot.

[@Joe-pc3hs]

@@danescott5149 Well, when I find out what a moran is Ill get back to addressing the moronic statement.

[@Joe-pc3hs]

@@danescott5149 Did you, perhaps, mention the First Amendment because it also protects speech in regards to stolen valor? And youre conflating the notion via an organization that isnt merely upholding the protection from forced religion, it is infact an anti theist group. (FFRF)

[@Joe-pc3hs]

@@danescott5149 Are you dumb or something? I already answered your question and request, TWICE. And the messenger is most definitely relevent, especially when the message evolves to an outright movement bent on abusing the same Amendment that gave them freedom to begin with. And why post a 214 when you could have juts answered the question? Which youve avoided multiple times. Figures

[@kylephantom4]

When I was in school, I didn't want to stand or recite the pledge. I didn't believe in it. Infact I don't live in america anymore (proud citizen of scotland now). Yet the teachers always made me stand up, and always tried to get me in trouble.

[@armymang6472]

Did u ever report them to your board of education

[@kylephantom4]

@@armymang6472 nah I wont give them the time of day, my principal was even a right bitch. Like I come into the office for literally anything and she takes one look at me and thinks "What did he do now, suspend him." Like I was an autistic child who had his outbursts and was in need of extra help and she was always more concerned about the image of her school and her sports teams. Leaving that school and moving to scotland, where they actually know how to handle children with disabilities such as autism or adhd was probably the most beneficial thing thats happened to me.

[@bloonsplayer6774]

Good

[@graz9372]

cool, never come back here sheep

[@rockhardcelery1214]

@@graz9372 lmao you think its okay for kids to be forced to pledge their entire life to a flag everyday and you're calling them a sheep?

[@rathernot6587]

Ah yes. The country my parents grew up in used to do a pledge. Up until the collapse of the USSR.

[@rathernot6587]

@Jason Harding Uh? Because their country sucked. What is your point exactly?

[@rathernot6587]

​@Jason Harding My family did not move to this country because of the pledge nor was it even a consideration. I doubt they even knew about it. My point is that it is stupid and useless. Making kids blindly say a pledge to a country when they do not even understand what they are saying or what it means is a sign of a authoritarian government which is odd considering it is happening in a country based on democracy.

[@rathernot6587]

@Jason Harding I am not going to move countries just because of a pledge. Changes inside a country can happen.

[@lugialover09]

"People died to give you the right to be able to stay sitting. And therefore, you shouldn't exercise that right!" is all I hear when people whine about not standing for the flag/pledge

[@kmfrog]

§301. National anthem (a) Designation.-The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem. (b) Conduct During Playing.-During a rendition of the national anthem- (1) when the flag is displayed- (A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note; (B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and (C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and (2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

[@lugialover09]

@@kmfrog There is no mandate associated with this particular code. If this was legit law, people could and would be arrested left and right for not doing it.

[@USRM1810]

@@kmfrog funny how you don’t reply after giving the blankest of slates

[@Kaftn]

In the pledge theres a word called “god” which is a religious word and therefore cannot be forced upon people to believe in and I have not stood for the pledge for 5 years so suck on that Georgia

[@makim-k5850]

and it wasn't even put in until the 50s

[@connorlyonsWrestling]

Stfu

[@frogman903]

@@connorlyonsWrestling no

[@nixthefox2008]

The reason God is in there is because that's what this cou try was built on, just cause you don't stand for it doesn't change that our country grew on that and based out rules on it. Don't know if you can see how well that turned out, but for the most part we've got it pretty good.

[@diegonunez837]

@@nixthefox2008 this country wasn't built on God it was built specifically with the separation of church and state in mind

[@napzkins]

I stand for the pledge and respect the thousands of men and women who died to protect the flag, but forcing someone to do it shouldn’t be allowed. We were given rights, and if that person wants to sit down during the pledge, so be it.

[@kaileybeaudet1385]

alex Goodmornin the ignorance lmao

[@Gabeher]

Standing up for the pledge of allegiance isn’t about belief, it’s about respecting those who die for your lazy asses. This has absolutely NOTHING with what you believe in, this is about respect and that’s it.

[@nykuro1018]

Gab H.R | I honestly sit for the pledge, due to the reference to God. But, stand for the moment of silence. I respect my brothers in blue, along with my troops. Although, I do not respect this nations pledge.

[@Gabeher]

Darren Mims of course i forgive you, life is too short to dwell on grudges. I hope you forgive me too, i didn’t help the situation. I’m just a very passionate person when it comes to respect.

[@Gabeher]

Darren Mims i totally understand that, but in my personal opinion, not standing up just because you don’t have to isn’t a good enough reason for me. If someones not going to stand up, they should have a reason that supports that, not just “i have a right to do as i please”, that just pisses me off

[@Xarai]

when your country has taken BAD actions, you should never pledge an allegiance to it ever. it is patriotic to fight for your country to be better and not accept it until it has

[@Lily-xk4ss]

Sitting during the pledge is extremely disrespectful and in my opinion it is like spitting on the graves of those who fought for equality, freedom and justice for all in America. As disrespectful as it is, some people do not see a problem with sitting. Let me be clear: one of the freedoms mentioned in “what our flag represents” above is the freedom to sit during the pledge. But that doesn’t mean you SHOULD sit, just because you CAN. Those who sit for the pledge seem to line up with those who believe they are changing the course of history through civil unrest, protesting false pretenses such as “systematic racism.” Those who sit for the pledge make themselves look like fools. It is a shame that people are taking their freedoms and privilege to live in the United States for granted. All countries have taken bad actions, no country is perfect, so your logic is just dumb. One thing I noticed is that it’s only the colored hair weirdo delinquents that sit during the pledge, that should tell you something. Why are rioters and looters not responsible for their actions, but I am responsible for things people did 200 years ago?

[@Xarai]

@Sanjin Drakovac were not perfect so we should be ok with stupid shit? your logic is so fuckin stupid. lile saying my brother raped a girl, he aint perfect so excuse his actions

[@Xarai]

@@Lily-xk4ss everything you said was so unamerican i literally auto assumed you were a trump cultist or a conservative christian

[@ed8849]

@@Xarai what lily said was pretty american to me

[@wackyclock]

@@Lily-xk4ss It's really funny how people like you use soldiers as an argument despite never serving. This country lets its veterans go homeless, why should I stand? what a tyrannical take.

[@sarahbond9196]

I never stand. That rag has so much blood shed on it!

[@greengreengreen5132]

dance with zookinis for me please. Yay

[@Bentriverrusher]

You have teachers going nuts because students won't stand for the pledge and you have teachers telling students to sit for the pledge and some that want the pledge to be to the pride flag. What we need is teachers who teach and quit trying to indoctrinate their students into being little squeeze tube copies of their own political beliefs. Taint their job.

[@ThreaT650]

Those claims are ridiculously absurd and disproprtional. That whole situation with the pride flag happened one time whereas this other issue is a regular occurence. That incident was also a joke she told her student, it wasn't a serious comment, as the teacher was the one who was joking about it and telling the story. The kid knew it was a joke, it wasn't like he came forward. As far as I am concerned we shouldn't even have an American flag in every classroom. The propaganda kids learn in schools is all US propaganda but there is a segment of the population who wants people to believe it is more than that. Never in my life did I ever think I would see a bunch of uneducated folks manufacturing total nonsense like I saw with 'CRT'. The man who came up with the grift admits it is nonsense with no basis that he threw out with an intention to galvanize the base of Republican voters. Dude brags about how easy these goobers were to manipulate. Absolutely mindblowing made up crazy stuff. Many of the southern states still tell a false history of this country stemming from very early intentional policies that hid the most awful parts of our history and glorified and justified a lot of it. We got states who still can't get past the Confederate flag and claim it is a part of culture when it wasn't even the flag that represented the Confederates in the first place. Maybe if these schools could teach real history these parents would be aware of that.

[@ThreaT650]

LGBTQ rights are not political beliefs by the way. They just aren't. The only people opposed to those rights or that flag quite frankly are theocrats and fundementalists. There is no political argument whatsoever there.

[@Bentriverrusher]

@@ThreaT650 As long as I have your assurances of it not being political.

[@watcherenjoyer123]

You don’t have to sit, stand, or speak the pledge. Freedom of speech and religion.

[@kmfrog]

§301. National anthem (a) Designation.-The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem. (b) Conduct During Playing.-During a rendition of the national anthem- (1) when the flag is displayed- (A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note; (B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and (C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and (2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

[@ERTChimpanzee]

@@kmfrog Nobody can't force anybody.

[@danescott5149]

People just don't understand a simple term ... freedom Freedom- the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint. Either your for it or you're not, there is no in between. If you're for it and you want it, than you must be consistent and give it.

[@jacobbouknight5002]

Most people don't realize this country technically isn't an absolute "free" country. There's plenty of things you arent allowed to do, places you can't go etc...

[@popmybubblegum]

All of my high school teachers and the principal would force me to do the pledge and threatened to suspend me if I didn't 😀 I just graduated this year and now I know that's illegal

[@sgmotto7280]

My class doesn’t stand for the pledge

[@hurricane8634]

If you dont make them you need to leave america

[@sgmotto7280]

Hurricane 863 like half of 3/4 of my class doesn’t stand up

[@hurricane8634]

@@sgmotto7280 are you serious? In college?

[@hurricane8634]

No they need to be killed

[@frgwyn3760]

Hurricane 863 they should stay and you should leave

[@jasminehernandez5368]

see its comments like this that makes me mad. Why can't people have their own reasons to not stand for the pledge. So what if they have a reason or belief about it, let them be. Just as long as they don't disrupt anything while people are pledging it shouldn't be an issue. Many people have their reasons and should respect that as people respect others who decide to stand up even though they wont themselves. There are things in the pledge that I don't seem to agree with, I'm not saying I'm not proud to live in America , but is it really "justice for all"? To this day , especially at my school I see racism, sexism, the hatred towards people who are in the LGBTQ community. ME AS A MEXICAN, has been treated unfairly. The events that happen to most people that others seem to ignore. I stay down to silently protest and I will not stand until I see changes. Whether it's about respecting the pledge and the people who served for this country rather than beliefs, I'll still decide to stay down. I do thank the people who have gone out to fight, but standing for the pledge isn't for me. I used to stand for the pledge and I never understood why we had to do it or what it meant, but until recently, I actually payed attention to what it meant and it felt as if I was lying to myself, saying the pledge that I no longer believed in, or seemed to follow along with. Not only that, I'm an atheist. So whether if your reading this and are against this, I have my own rights, so therefore, I'm staying down, sitting silently.

[@Joe-pc3hs]

You dont see the irony in any of that?

[@LordNinja109]

@@Joe-pc3hs What did they say that's ironic?

[@Joe-pc3hs]

@@LordNinja109 Well for one, maintaing a ntional identity with another country you werent born in or currently reside. Its an A La Carte approach. Also, holding said individual instances of perceived harrasment as an all encompassing factor as to whether you'll pledge allegiance to the nation of your birth, and placate those instances as a total encompassing representation of all. Furthermore, neglecting racism isnt relegated to white vs everyone else, but has been problematic within and thought communities considered "minorities". These are the same who see no shame in partaking in any beneficial circumstance that as well complained about the modem that provided it.

[@ThreaT650]

The message on the board is literally victim blaming and disgusting. It is saying you owe America that you are not a slave and that you should not critique the inequalities that are heavily dependent on race and class so that they may continue to prepetuate and level these inequalities on to you.

[@Blueblur599]

I dont stand for the pledge and no one can make me freedom of speech! Freedom of rights!!

[@hellooutthere8956]

You are very naive. They can make u stand. You arent all tht.

[@ihonestlydontevenknow4359]

@@hellooutthere8956 no the fuck they can’t. not standing is protected in the first amendment. if they make us stand then that’s fascism.

[@xred3040]

@@hellooutthere8956 nah i would easily kill the teacher

[@chaschannell6903]

@@hellooutthere8956 West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette says otherwise.

[@USRM1810]

@@hellooutthere8956 nope, your first amendment

[@enterchannelname5953]

From someone who does not live in the USA, the pledge of allegiance looks like a cult

[@devilishdestructivedwarf2665]

I mean it's state worship that was created after our civil war to try and force a national unity. And considering the pledge was written by a socialist it doesn't surprise me that people would try and force people to do it. Also look up the "Bellamy Salute".

[@marjanmausumi4564]

You're debating to stand on a pledge that was made centuries ago. Times change and countries can become corrupt. What was once good can turn bad.

[@janiaht1408]

This country was never actually good but👀👀

[@thanos2666]

@@janiaht1408 jesus stop complaining

[@thanos2666]

@@janiaht1408 there are countries where people have to eat trash because they don't have money to buy food

[@amylucas8709]

No..... not centuries The pledge of allegiance has changed several times. The god part was added in the 50’s.

[@luna-mo3ol]

@@thanos2666 And there are also people in the USA who have to eat trash because they don't have the money for food. Poverty exists everywhere, folks. I know you were trying to make a point, but just because America in general has it better than some other countries, doesn't mean it doesn't have it's own terrible problems that shouldn't be disregarded.

[@parkerphillips8757]

How did I know it was going to be Duval county public schools before even clicking the video🙄

[@greengreengreen5132]

IT IS SUPER FUN AND AWESOME

[@thejewishredneckprepper4675]

Pray in school if you choose to.If choose not to , then that is also ok. Government schools and its employees should not force prayer on anyone also.

[@mr.bluestone1276]

SO glad i live in England where were not that self obsessed to do a bloody pledge of allegiance to my own country Jesus Christ I feel sorry for Americans lol

[@grahvis]

The UK where white and black never had separate water fountains, where there have never been colour bars. The UN wanted to pass a resolution stating everybody should have a right of access to sufficient food to sustain them. Guess what was the only country in the world to vote against it.

[@beewalk34]

I always stand. However, forced patriotism to civilians contradicts the country's constitutional ideology of freedom.

[@GabbyIcecreamCat]

I was forced to pledge to the flag once (I don’t do it for religion reasons) but I now just told my mom a few days ago and she said “If this happens again tell them it’s for religious reasons and if they still make you, tell me and I’ll talk to them” I personally think legally you shouldn’t be forced as everyone have their own beliefs

[@Joby1980]

I would stand out of respect for the pledge of allegiance but I would stay silent. My allegiance belongs to God. Not a flag or country.

[@Joe-pc3hs]

@@Joby1980 Do you even know the pledge?

[@minecrafteee8835]

a few times my kindergardener teacher told us to stand for it

[@Joby1980]

@@Joe-pc3hs I do. But I bow down to no man or man made image.

[@Joe-pc3hs]

@@Joby1980 I dont remember where bowing in worship of the flag was called for.

[@tobcyxob8256]

USSR first grade: Teacher: USSR is the greatest country in the world! It is biggest, most powerful. Everybody gets healthcare for free. Children don't go hungry, they have toys and books and are always happy! Anna: (starts crying) Teacher: What's wrong Anna? Anna: I want to go to USSR!

[@chickenskink1]

As a confused foreigner... What the fuck is this pledge thing? That is TEXTBOOK propaganda, my guy. Weirds me tf out

[@hdlc4635]

It's disrespectful to the Constitution to force kids to pledge allegiance to a flag.

[@devilishdestructivedwarf2665]

Not to mention a mockery of our founders' vision of a limited state that everyone should be critical of.

[@nevaehp.]

Ah yes, forcing kids/teens to stand for a pledge. This is America

[@kmfrog]

§301. National anthem (a) Designation.-The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem. (b) Conduct During Playing.-During a rendition of the national anthem- (1) when the flag is displayed- (A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note; (B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and (C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and (2) when the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.

[@VanillaLimeCoke]

No hall passes first 15 minutes and last 15 minutes of class. No offense.....but I can kinda sorta understand why students are Refusing to stand for the pledge of allegiance.

[@juddisurdad4231]

its first 10 mins for me.

[@VanillaLimeCoke]

@@juddisurdad4231 Thats the way it was for 7th grade for me.

[@juddisurdad4231]

@@VanillaLimeCoke im in 8th now and its still the same

[@VanillaLimeCoke]

@@juddisurdad4231 It was also the last 10 minutes too. Plus we had a double period that ran from 9:18am-10:45am, so no one really could leave from 9:47am-10:10am

[@creative-renaissance]

America - the land of the free as long as you do what we tell you to!

[@ed8849]

the USA is a free country

[@ihonestlydontevenknow4359]

no. it’s the land of the free as long as you’re a white straight cisgendered conservative christian male.

[@USRM1810]

@@ed8849 never has, never will be

[@junnidoll]

i don’t stand for the pledge ever since my school started senior year at its peak 👁👄👁

[@VictorMartinez-zf6dt]

Not saying the pledge of allegiance is an act of free speech. Nobody can force you to say it.

[@cupcakeempire7051]

This is coming from a Canadian who hates it here and hates America I'm going to say it this way if i was an American i wouldn't stand for the anthem or the pledge similar to how i don't stand for O' Canada and didn't do the lords prayer and such when i was in elementary (im in my last year of HS) i kneel for it as i simply don't care sure "every flag around the world is covered in a little blood" the U.S got rid of slavery way later then most other countries, you also think your better then everyone else yet another reason i wouldn't stand and also you guys get a lot of school shootings then say its a plan for them to change your constitution instead of getting stricter gun laws so yea its pointless.

[@armymang6472]

Thats illegal and unconstitutional. That goes against the first amendment. My teacher is doing this and I am reporting her to the board of education and getting her fired. Know your rights yall. Dont let your rights be stolen.

[@donblosser8720]

Get a clue armyman. It is not unconstitutional to ask students to THINK. She was not making anyone do anything. And apparently you do not think the teacher has rights or the freedom of speech. The irony is that more and more schools in this country are indoctrinating students to be unpatriotic, immoral, socialist, and unthinking puppets of so-called woke-ism.

[@luna-mo3ol]

100%. I once reported my teacher to my counselor (it was 8th grade, board of education wasn't my first thought lol) because she told me I had to stand "because she said so". The next day I got an apology email from the teacher and she never bothered me about it again. KNOW YOUR RIGHTS.

[@hellooutthere8956]

Do you realize how ignorant tht sounds? You claim rights like you single handedly fought in the trenches for your rights but dont pledge an alligence for the rights of all. There's a lot more wrg here than you being a keyboard warrior.

[@chaschannell6903]

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette

[@Izigurand]

Of fucking course it’s Florida.

[@greengreengreen5132]

Based florida

[@totallynotahuman9933]

I almost got suspended for not standing for the pledge, like it’s so backwards to make me stand for something swearing my loyalty to freedom… make it make sense

[@jamessmith4287]

vaccine risks a 20th booster

[@azenmb]

People have reasons not to stand up, I am also refusing to stand for the national anthem because this country promised me justice, yet I still haven’t received it.

[@interesting1816]

whats that justice, kaylee?

[@chriz7074]

To be honest, you're not that lucky if you live in the US.

[@ggsbruhlmao2460]

Burnette vs Board

[@jamessmith4287]

20th booster

[@Demonoicgamer666]

I think it inappropriate to demand students to even recite the pledge, the fight to end slavery will always be respected by me but that doesn’t make America a 100% agreeable country.

[@jamessmith4287]

vaccine risks 20th booster

[@mywifesboyfriend5558]

The pledge should be voluntary, not compulsory. Also, that teacher should be fired. You NEVER bring your politics into the classroom. Students should be encouraged to think for themselves, rather than be hivemind liberals or soldier sniffing, cop worshipping Republicans. What a messed up world we are in. Abolish public schools. Home school only. No replies will be seen or read. Over and out. ✌

[@greengreengreen5132]

Vaccine risks 20th booster

[@larsgayrich]

What happened to the 1st amendment?

[@freedommatters7677]

What happened to the spiral*

[@cryptofacts4u]

As a parent I couldn't sign that. Because to do so would be to endorse the idea that my child doesn't have freedom of speech in regards to the pledge unless I sign a little piece of paper. And our children have the freedom to not participate or say that pledge not because apparent signed something but because our founders signed a document hundreds of years ago.

[@jacobbouknight5002]

Why shouldn't a child be made to participate in the pledge every morning? It's respecting our founding fathers, military and fallen soldiers, and also swearing that you are loyal to this country and won't commit treason.

[@USRM1810]

It’s violation of basic human rights dumbass. It’s literally nazi germany again, forced to pledge when you see that flag? Forced to give your allegiance to it? That’s fascism. You are so ironic

[@greengreengreen5132]

@@jacobbouknight5002 chemical lab

[@greengreengreen5132]

@@USRM1810 chemical lab

[@USRM1810]

@@greengreengreen5132 bro what?

[@jamessmith4287]

freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of consequences

[@Calimax91]

Wait… you’re telling me that not one person involved in this or the people talking about this know that it is our right under the 1st amendment West Virginia vs barnette that we can not be forced to salute the flag on school or say the pledge of allegiance

[@chaschannell6903]

The pledge is a waste of the school day period!

[@jamessmith4287]

vaccine risks a 20th booster coming out

[@jehovahuponyou]

I THINK STUDENTS SHOULD BE ENCOURAGED TO DEFECATE AND THROW IT AT THE TEACHER WHO TRIES TO LEAD ANYONE IN THE PLEDGE - THAT WOULD BE FAR BETTER SUITED TO OUR SOCIETY - THANK YOU, AND BE HAPPY COMRADES!!!!!!!

[@Amanda-gu9oh]

I got in trouble for the same thing years ago from my principal she would not let me go to the bathroom till I said it

[@penny4thought168]

If she still works there and you have some witnesses, then you have a case for a nice lawsuit.

[@Amanda-gu9oh]

@@penny4thought168 she doesn't work there anymore she quit years ago and people saw I think but I don't know for sure because she wouldn't let me do anything but stand and say the pledge of allegiance and an sure she's done it too lots of people when she was working there years ago

[@chaschannell6903]

That was illegal. You could have sued and won.

[@Amanda-gu9oh]

@@chaschannell6903 probably but it was so long ago so now it would not change anything because she doesn't work there anymore

[@jamessmith4287]

@@penny4thought168 the vaccine existing is a slippery slope to the 20th booster coming out

[@Crustymoon09]

You want us to forget the slavery and the war crimes that america is going right now

[@supercoolsupercool538]

Ohh poor people can’t just say the country they live in anthem ohh the poor kids not like it’s 2 mins of agonizing torture

[@Joes8186]

LaNd oF tHe FrEe

[@lyla9707]

my home room teacher told me i’m expected to stand during the pledge today...

[@voluntarism335]

disobey

[@diknmuhbutt2735]

Fuck em. Take a nap during the pledge

[@luna-mo3ol]

Update? 😬 If my teacher told me that I wouldn't stand anyway. In fact, once a teacher told me that I had to stand "because she's the adult and I should do what the one in charge says", and guess what I did? Took it to the counselor, got an apology email from the teacher the next day, and she never picked on me again.

[@chaschannell6903]

Sue. You don't have to.

[@davidperry4013]

I'm proud of that teacher. If I were the teacher, I would go a step further and state "The next time any of you do not stand for the pledge of allegiance, you will get an office referral." in red.

[@LordNinja109]

Except that's actually unconstitutional

[@aaronhalloway7237]

You would not be a teacher very long.

[@penny4thought168]

Why do you hate America?

[@ihonestlydontevenknow4359]

hope you never become a teacher then. bc either you’re gonna get whooped or fired.

[@earbunnyisgloomy9613]

@@LordNinja109 no it's not

[@DrPepperJNL]

It’s a flag that doesn’t seem to represent anything now beside hate.

[@sickofidiots4095]

Only in your empty, indoctrinated and easily manipulated MIND. You're a fucking idiot.

[@joelabanca2480]

And that's actually why we have a problem. NO respect for for flag and our country

[@SlytheWarrior]

@@sickofidiots4095 you're one to talk

[@saklee1777]

what on earth are u talking about? the american flag isn’t about hate. the stars stand for the states. the blue stands for the left wing. the red stands for the right wing. and the white stands for the others like the independent party. its just the political parties and the states all together as 1 in america.

[@saklee1777]

Stephen Kershaw what on earth are u talking about? u wanna know why america has so many ppl from other countries? because america is one of, if not the most freest country in the world. do u know how many countries actually allow freedom of speech? in so many of the middle eastern countries u r not allowed to be christian and the penalty is death. china has made a rule of what ur allowed the worship and preach in churches and u can’t have a cross or something symbolic of christianity in public. and now theyve been burning down all the underground churches. america is the best country in the world because we are free.

[@michaelhimes8778]

By FL statute students must stand for the flag. This was challenged by a parent and went to the FL Supreme Court. They said that the students do have a right to NOT stand but the parents have a right to know and therefore any students choosing to sit must have a note from their parent. That is the current law.

[@lmaobro8239]

Link to the statue? You don’t need a note to practice your constitutional rights

[@michaelhimes8778]

@@lmaobro8239 minors in FL do not have that right outside of parent consent. The 11th circuit applied a balancing test and said parents have the right to raise their children as they see fit which supersedes the right of the child to express themselves in this case. Your welcome to Google it. I’m busy.

[@aaronhalloway7237]

IF it was found that parents have a right to know, I think the responsible adults in the school are on the hook for informing the parents. Those kids have a right to not pledge their personal allegiance to stuff IRRESPECTIVE of whether someone is ensuring that Florida's BS law is being followed.

[@michaelhimes8778]

@@aaronhalloway7237 well we have a constitution and the 11th Circuit has ruled in it and not taken up any other challenge cases. So, that is the law in FL like it or not.

[@fernandogallardo3458]

God is against serving or pledging allegiance to OBJECTS, SYMBOLS, and IMAGES, in the likeness of anything in heaven above, or in the likeness of anything in the earth below [ Exodus 20:3-5 ] & [ Deuteronomy 4:15-19 ] God is against the pledge of allegiance to the flag and anthem, because idolatry is through the pledge of allegiance to the flag and anthem. When the US plays the anthem at the sound of music the US stand on their feet and worship the image of the star spangled of heaven with a song. The US is worshipping the image of the star spangled of heaven through the pledge of allegiance to the flag and anthem. Israel is worshipping the image of the star remphan of heaven through the pledge of allegiance to the flag and anthem. Mexico is worshipping the image of the eagle of the earth through the pledge of allegiance to the flag and anthem. Canada is worshipping the image of the leaf of the maple tree of the earth through the pledge of allegiance to the flag and anthem. Japan is worshipping the image of the sun of heaven through the pledge of allegiance to the flag and anthem. The idols of the nations are high and lifted up on a flag pole, and the blind cannot see them, because of their unbelief.

[@nixthefox2008]

"Raise you're child up in the way they should go and they shall not depart from it." Can you guess where that comes from? If you can't are you really American? This pledge expressed the morals this country was built on, how is that worse than trying to get kids to understand being gay and ployamris relationships? Getting mad about kids showing respect for the area they live in is foolishness. I'm grateful that I learned cause seeing how bad it can get in other parts of the world makes me respect my country, or it did till you guys got so sensitive over literally every single tiny thing that no one minds.

[@skkart4885]

Nobody in the video expressed anger at kids standing for the pledge. They simply said they didn’t feel it was fair to force anyone to. Also, a gay relationship isn’t harder to understand than a heterosexual one. It just means a man loves a man or a woman loves a woman instead of a woman loving a man or vice versa. Most kids can understand the latter from a young age, so the former shouldn’t be difficult at all.

[@nixthefox2008]

@@skkart4885 except kids aren't forced to. I see kids sitting all the time duing the pledge, no one cares or even mentions it. But as a child it's taught because why shouldn't it be? It's like how we teach kids seemingly unnecessary parts of math and science. It's just something that can help In the future and is a good way to show your respect for the country you live in. People get so pissed over the smallest stuff even though they're already living in an extremely good country. Also people were mad about kids being "forced" to stand even though they're not and people were also getting mad abot the pledge itself because it mentions God

[@skkart4885]

@@nixthefox2008 Unless you’ve attended every public school in the country, I don’t think you can definitively say that. There have been numerous cases of kids receiving punishment for not standing during the pledge. The constitution supports freedom of religion, which includes the freedom to not have one. Just recently there was a case of a student saying ‘Allah’ instead of ‘god’ in the pledge, and many Christian reporters were upset. Is it not okay for someone who isn’t Christian to disregard or resent the line ‘under God’? And in what way does learning the pledge help you in the future? Most adults don’t have to recite it in their homes or workplaces.

[@nixthefox2008]

@@skkart4885 it helps build a since of patriotism for your country, and compared to a lot of others is a much more relaxed way of doing it. No it's not ok as the country was founded on Christian principles and that's why they specifically put God in the pledge. It'd be more appropriate to not say that part at all over replacing it with another god. And I'm saying that from Elementary to high school I've never once seen someone get in trouble for not standing. I've seen students call them out on our, never then getting in actual trouble though. None of not brothers or friends have either as it's really not that common and I don't belive it's legal either.

[@skkart4885]

@@nixthefox2008 You haven't explained why patriotism is helpful in one's adult life. And Allah simply means God in Arabic. Arabian Christian's say "allah" when they refer to the Christian god. Would you be offended by a french person saying "dieu"?

[@angelamoore406]

TLC

[@hapshighyields2651]

I guess if they don't want one nation or don't believe in a God or don't want or believe in liberty and justice for all then they should just sit on their asses and be quiet. Our cities NFL team certainly wasn't a good example when they were taking a knee and refusing to participate in our pledge of allegiance. I agree with the policy of having them participate unless their parents have had them excused due to some religious exemption.

[@LordNinja109]

Except it's unconstitutional to force participation regardless of parent's input.

[@penny4thought168]

Hmm, seems like you hate the idea of American freedom. Maybe a country like North Korea or Iran would be more up your lane, since you think patriotism should be forced and all.

[@chaschannell6903]

It's illegal and would not hold up to a legal challenge. I say sue if this is happening to you.

[@rayman11]

And that's what America is all about. Forcing people to do the things you want them to do regardless of their personal choice

[@greengreengreen5132]

@@penny4thought168 yay chemistry!

[@samanthaharris581]

i’m an atheism sooo

[@jaxsoncox4461]

Never going to roll over and listen to the people that say it’s alright not to stand for the pledge like a weak dog

[@penny4thought168]

Why? I thought Americans hated the idea of a tyrannical dictatorship?

[@jaxsoncox4461]

@@penny4thought168 what? It isn’t a matter of abiding by the government… the fact that millions of Americans have laid down their own lives fighting to give us the rights and this country we have is why. It’s not really that complicated.

[@degew9367]

@@jaxsoncox4461 they fought for our rights. Exactly. Like, for instance, the right to express your beliefs. Which includes not standing for the pledge.

[@jaxsoncox4461]

@@degew9367 do what you want … it is weak and disrespectful… if that flag offends you I’ll help you pack.

[@degew9367]

@@jaxsoncox4461 will you also pay for the ticket m movings expensive

[@earbunnyisgloomy9613]

It's unfair to sit during pledge

[@LordNinja109]

Why?

[@yellowyellowyellow7894]

@@LordNinja109 because it brings on the motion sensor blinking light off and on over and over and then immediate bell after the davien low refrigerator noise and lunch set down to the auds

[@jamessmith4287]

@@LordNinja109 you probably also think it's ok to learn chemistry in high school and college too

[@LordNinja109]

@@jamessmith4287 What the hell kind of "zinger" did you think that was supposed to be?

[@jamessmith4287]

@@LordNinja109 libterds usually support being allowed to sit during the pledge as well as students being able to have an education in chemistry. Shame on them

[@aripinkberry1810]

Unpopular opinion, but I would encourage my child to not stand for the pledge if I had one. First of all, what the hell does an elementary schooler have to pledge to the United States? Second of all, they don’t even understand the meaning of the words, if I had a child, I would encourage them not to, and I would explain why. If any teacher would want to bitch at me about it, I would explain my reasoning. I simply won’t allow my child to stand for the pledge until they know the meaning of every single word in it and then they can choose if they want to or not, but I don’t want them to think that they have to do it just because the teacher told me that we have to do it every morning. What kind of logic is that? Plus it’s like signing an agreement when you haven’t even read it. The worst part is that when something tragic like that happens like for example, signing an agreement that you’re not aware of fully, it’s usually vulnerable people that fall for it, and pledging allegiance to the flag of the United States every single morning as an elementary schooler is the equivalent of that.

[@ihonestlydontevenknow4359]

exactly. i’m telling my kid not to stand for the pledge on the first day of school. i’ll go over there and flip shit.

[@ihonestlydontevenknow4359]

exactly. i’m telling my kid not to stand for the pledge on the first day of school. i’ll go over there and flip shit.

[@dgvette1]

Stand or leave the country

[@LordNinja109]

Nah

[@penny4thought168]

That's not what America is about kid. Maybe you moving would be better since you claim to hate American freedom.

[@chaschannell6903]

No. We have freedom to stand or not stand. West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette

[@dgvette1]

@@chaschannell6903 Ya well I choose to stand.

[@theteddy1487]

@@dgvette1 choose all you want but either mean what you say or you're just being a hypocrite (here you're being a hypocrite trying to violate peoples rights because you don't like others having rights apparently)

[@kelleywooding8349]

If you do not know what the anthem is...meaning behind the words and the nation built of blood and sweat of the citizens to build to stay as a free nation...PICK UP A REAL HISTORY BOOK! It was the farmer the priests the average citizen! 13% of people with God by their side did the impossible to rid tyrrany from at the time the most powerful British forces that had all guns and shoes yes our citizens fought even barefoot! God made the impossible in the odds to possible in the faith and hope in Him to be free nation!

[@penny4thought168]

Not everyone believes in God or agrees with his values and morals.

[@kelleywooding8349]

@@penny4thought168 you totally blew by the whole history lady! They did and this is our history we didn't want a monarchy and the king of Britain to take over the new world 13% of American Patriots with no weapons no shoes no real army beat the British that is the whole story you blew by! I'm sorry you do not want to know God and his goodness and faithfulness someday it will be revealed to you and I hope you 'get it" before you go down with all the other pagans God bless your soul! Please if you actually read the contexts of something and not pick out that 1 thing that you disagree with it will help you be a more discerning and well rounded person who wants knowledge understanding and wisdom because without those your going to find life hard to live and just fleeting materialism and emptiness of the heart start reading whole paragraphs to know knowledge and truth it is truly the key that can unlock unbelievable doors!

[@penny4thought168]

@@kelleywooding8349 Once again, I don't believe in God. There is no proof that proves his existence or disproves him. Even if he was real, I wouldn't follow him. I can't follow someone who doesn't love his children enough to help them. He sits up there and does nothing for the thousands of children who are abused every year, not even for those who are tortured and killed. He hasn't earned my respect.

[@kelleywooding8349]

@@penny4thought168 what I'm saying is that you lost the whole context of what I wrote on HISTORY! you once again picking and choosing and not willing to open you head @kesitahforthought(unit of money with unknown weight or value) I'm speaking of history and whether you like it or not the founding fathers believed so get your head out of the dark and read the history of the anthem even how we fought the most powerful army at the time with no real army made up of the common man!13% population of that time..of common man that didn't want to live in a tyrannical monarchy life that they fled! Oiy Vay chickadee!

[@kelleywooding8349]

@@penny4thought168 and there is proof of his existence! The bible is a reliable collection of historical documents made known and revealed of the coming Jesus not myths written in 3 different languages written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses written in 3 different continents by 40 different authors made up of Kings Pheasants etc... Resurrection happened and while Paul was telling the Greeks 301 eyewitnesses was still alive to witness out if the 500 that saw him after His death! Believe me don't go there with translations etc...that would be plain ignorant...monks can't change the Hebrew Greek and Aramaic 6000 documents because they would of had to change also all 3 languages to those languages that would of taken 100's of years which doesn't add up nor work!

[@fallenhw]

I remember pledging since grade 1 to grade 12 I always loved it probably my favorite thing before class.

[@carsovideos3904]

Your fucking weird

[@HowdyDo42]

Thats cool. You do you.

[@Joel-xw4ip]

I do agree with the teacher we are fortunate to be living in America. Our American flag represents the freedom we enjoy and at times take for granted. lots of people in other countries know that it’s great that’s why they take great risk to get here

[@dcbornmike]

Have one question. Did ALL of the kids in this class have a note from their parents saying it is ok not to stand for the Pledge??? What sad sad times we are living in ......

[@ed8849]

agreed

[@patoni860]

That Soldier needs to shed his stupid butt up and go help those 22 veterans that are murdering themselves everyday because his government lied to them so bad that they know that they can't live with themselves beyond that bull crap that they did for these lion dogs

[@nssteampunk4865]

Those who kneel for the flag have ZERO respect for our nation, military, police and first responders. No excuses whatsoever. Here's why we stand for the flag 1. We stand for the flag today, not to please ourselves but to honor those who paid the ultimate sacrifice for our freedom. Jesus paid the price so we could have eternal life. 2. We stand for the flag not to focus on what divides us but on what unites us, which is being an American. 3. We stand for the flag not to pledge allegiance to a president, but to honor the reality that we have an elected president and not a lifetime king. 4. We stand not because of past or present pain caused by injustice, but to salute the principle of justice. 5. We stand for the flag not for our generation but to set an example for the next generation. And here's an interesting read: www.patheos.com/blogs/davidrupert/dear-christian-stand-flag-please-dont-worship/

[@sayit_aint_so]

We ALLOW the OPTION as EMBODIED by the US Constitution and AFFIRMED by the SCOTUS abt 80 years ago. The VERY EXERCISE of our rights *IS* the respect Jesus paid the price so we would NOT engage in idolatry - we must be vigilant not to let this SATANIC compulsion to destroy BOTH our CHRISTIAN AND AMERICAN way. We must teach our children how idolatry creeps in slowly, it is in insidious invader Anything less is INVITING SATAN - don't invite Satan into our schools through a "soft" invading idolatry that seduces our children

[@wackyclock]

1st amendment doesn't mean shit i guess

[@nssteampunk4865]

@@wackyclock WELL YEAH IT DOES. GO DO YOUR HISTORY RESEARCH.

[@musicalartisttimjoel1420]

For LIBERTY. . . FOR LIBERTY!! That includes the liberty to not say this mantra if they do choose.

[@Poop-nc1ps]

Say the pledge of allegiance kids

[@Br0kenh3art6]

Freedom of Speech exists hehe

[@gasoline5071]

"Say the pledge of allegiance kids"

[@greengreengreen5132]

Mlbitof judy thatr

[@tigere.3462]

Just stand for the Pledge 3 reasons why 1: It’s not hard to do! 2: You should! 3: If you don’t stand for the pledge then just leave the US because apparently you can’t take the time to appreciate and remember the country

[@Br0kenh3art6]

There's freedom of speech for a reason. I sit but I stay quiet and respectful. I appreciate my military but I'm not going to say it when again there's injustices/inequalities and a message that seems to force a side.

[@tigere.3462]

@@Br0kenh3art6 Right! Because Democrats talk trash about America and make “COVID” the scariest thing ever!!!!

[@Br0kenh3art6]

@@tigere.3462 Ok first of all, It doesn't matter which political side you're on. I never fucking mentioned COVID-19 so I don't know what point you were trying to make by bringing that up. It is a big deal. The goal is to stop the spread so that we can go back to normal. Second, it doesn't take a genius to know that America isn't "great" it never was. It doesn't take a genius to realize that there is discrimination, inequality, injustices, etc. Things need to change so that it can become great. Edit: I also love how you say it isn't a big deal when the deaths of thousands of HUMAN BEINGS (Old or not) prove your claim to be false.

[@tigere.3462]

@@Br0kenh3art6 Well you do have great points so I will agree with you on that. I just feel guilty if I don’t stand for the pledge

[@Br0kenh3art6]

@@tigere.3462 I understand that. I used to feel that way too but educating myself on different opinions and watching shit I've just... It's not something I want to pledge to. I'll say the pledge once America fixes it's flaws! It'll be best for everyone. I'm sure I'll get looked at and judged by my classmates - it happened today for the first time by a rich kid who's probably clueless - but I'll keep doing it as a way to practice my freedom to express myself.

[@daltonking360]

I can see the first amendment but you should be proud to live in this country

[@HowdyDo42]

What about the blatant government corruption? Taxing citizends abroad without repredenting them, the very thing America fought an won a war against, only to then do?

[@daltonking360]

@@HowdyDo42 not talking about the government just the fact that your living in a free country

[@HowdyDo42]

@@daltonking360 yes. I do live in a free country. The United Kingdom.

[@daltonking360]

@@HowdyDo42 good👍🏻

[@HowdyDo42]

@@daltonking360 yeah. I see what you mean, its just that my issue with this whole thing, and the pledge of allegience in general is that only a handful of countries have one, yet so many countries have done so many great things. Personally I think the problem is the attempts to instill patriotism at a young age, after all, its a lot cheaper to pretend a problem doesn't exist, rather than to fix it. What are your thoughts?

[@amberlee5477]

Good on the teacher!!

[@aurora9252]

My freedum sayz I don't have to stand up for any anthem mk

[@amberlee5477]

@@aurora9252 you should honor the people who fought and died to give you that freedom. you sound dumb.

[@yuyinho]

@@amberlee5477 What "freedom" are you talking about? Seperating the children from the immigrants and locking them in cages? Black Americans being killed in routine traffic stops by police because they are black? Native Americans still being discriminated till this day when they arrived in this land first? Attacking a random asian person putting them on blame for covid? Is that freedom to you?

[@jasminehernandez5368]

@@amberlee5477 see its comments like this that makes me mad. Why can't people have their own reasons to not stand for the pledge. So what if they have a reason or belief about it, let them be. Just as long as they don't disrupt anything while people are pledging it shouldn't be an issue. Many people have their reasons and should respect that as people respect others who decide to stand up even though they wont themselves. There are things in the pledge that I don't seem to agree with, I'm not saying I'm not proud to live in America , but is it really "justice for all"? To this day , especially at my school I see racism, I see hatred towards people who are in the LGBTQ community. ME AS A MEXICAN, has been treated unfairly. The events that happen to most people that others seem to ignore. I stay down to silently protest and I will not stand until I see changes.

[@ed8849]

@@yuyinho what are you talking about just because some people are racist don't mean USA is racist

[@chagoose6796]

Listen y’all need to just stand u want me respect your beliefs at least stand for the pledge Martin Luther king didn’t kneel he marched and look he still respected this country because he realized all that has had to be done for it to be free and stand on its own

[@chagoose6796]

I’ll respect u if u respect me it’s a 2 way street

[@SarethZhukov314]

We don't "need" to stand. We can choose not to.

[@sayit_aint_so]

You dont have to respect anyone's beliefs. This is the USA. Now the US Consitution as affirmed by the SCOTUS in Bernette means they have a RIGHT. You can disrespect their beliefs all you want - but now if you get on their legal rights Well you start doing that and you are shitting all over the very freedom you mention

[@screenapple1660]

lol. liberalism.

[@USRM1810]

And you’re the terrorist who did jan 6

[@gilbertescalante6736]

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." Proverbs 13: 34 "Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people."

[@degew9367]

Well thankfully we don't live in a theocracy

[@legitman2685]

I'm not gonna give too much shit for those who don't stand for the pledge, but honestly, is it rlly that hard to stand up and put your hand over your freaking heart for like 20 seconds?

[@penny4thought168]

Not everyone agrees to the message. It means a lot to some people, and a lot of kids don't want to pledge their undying allegiance or participate in a religious ritual, especially when they don't practice said religion.

[@legitman2685]

@@penny4thought168 ig I can agree on the religious aspect, but what message lol, the message of freedom, a chance for all people, etc

[@penny4thought168]

@@legitman2685 I mean pleading allegiance to a country they may not love. It hasn't been kind to everyone.

[@legitman2685]

@@penny4thought168 then maybe its time for those kinds of ppl to consider leaving the country

[@penny4thought168]

@@legitman2685 I mean, who's gonna pay for it? Do you know how expensive immigration is? If you pay me, I'll gladly get out.

[@isabellapulver8902]

I love that teacher, she’s helping kids wake up to the real life

[@HowdyDo42]

The real life where most every developed nation has all these things and more and arent being forced to pledge allegiance to a piece of cloth every morning.

[@ed8849]

@@HowdyDo42 do not call the US flag a piece of cloth

[@ThreaT650]

Real life is that this country is likely going to give them a reality that looks as follows. The majority of these student will be poorer than their parents, and subsequently their grandparents. They will likely live paycheck to paycheck like the overwhelming majority of americans do now. Home ownership will likely be unobtainable (the biggest driver of wealth in this country), they will likely not be able to afford a new car for most of their lives, they will likely have to question whether or not they can afford children, healthcare will be hard to have access to, if they pursue higher education they will likely accrue massive amounts of debt, wealth inequality will continue to get worse, and this is all before we even look at what climate change will mean for them their entire lives. If you need to have a kid recite a pledge to this country every day for nearly 18 years for them to appreciate it, then this country is utterly failing. What is written on the board in this classroom also is absurd. It is saying that you owe the US because you are not a slave and that you should pledge your allegience to this flag that is further prepetuating the lived and future lived realities that you will and do suffer as a result of living in this country.

[@ThreaT650]

@@ed8849 I care more about what this country does for people more than the emotional appeal to a flag. I care about the people that flag is supposed to represent more than the flag itself. It's a piece of cloth dude... And if this country can't do better, it is as good as worthless. If all the people have to defend this piece of cloth is emotional and heart string appeals, then we are f-ed.

[@chaschannell6903]

@@ed8849 It is though.....

[@BKBK82228]

If I see a kid sitting for the pledge they’re getting decked

[@cestdommage7771]

Damn you were born and chose violence

[@BKBK82228]

@@cestdommage7771 No I chose America

[@cestdommage7771]

Bobby8nyc exactly

[@dylan.m8865]

Bobby stfu

[@dakotastein9499]

Nothing like domestic terrorism to force someone to do as you want right?

[@dick-parker]

It’s true if you don’t like it here in America then move! You’re not forced to stay

[@comradepetri5085]

Not the point, the point is these kids have the right to not pledge allegiance to a country that treats its citizens as badly as the US does.

[@dick-parker]

I’m not sure what country you live in but here in America it’s pretty good. I feel bad for the citizens of China and North Korea THEY treat the citizens bad

[@Music-tc5ve]

@@dick-parker u must ain’t see the riots & police killings .

[@dick-parker]

@@Music-tc5ve that happens all over the world but here in America every citizen knows the pledge. And if you’re just anti-American and you don’t like this country you’re free to leave. No ones making you stay here

[@eee9266]

@@dick-parker “here in America it’s pretty good”. “Pretty good” is not, and will not ever be enough. Recognizing a countries faults and figuring out ways you can fix these faults is the most patriotic thing you can do. Youre more unamerican than the people who choose to sit during the pledge

[@allielucia7031]

That's actually a very good message on the board

[@grahvis]

Its shit, people in the US think you are the only country in the world with freedom, yet citizens are treated really badly but are too ignorant to realise it.

[@LordNinja109]

Not really

[@TheJusticeLeague]

if you dont know your privileges then leave.

[@likira111]

To a country with the same privileges that doesn't crave validation like a jealous spouse?

[@gasoline5071]

"If you dont know your privileges then leave."

[@khorner4566]

I STAND BEHIND THE TEACHER.....RESECT THE FLAG AND AMERICA....THE CHILDREN GROWING UP NO RESPECT FOR ANYTHING....WE HAVE FAILED IN AMERICA AND THESE KIDS ARE PROVING IT WITH ALL THE VIOLENCE ....JUST TURN ON THE NEWS ....HOW MANY WERE KILLED YESTERDAY.....AMERICA WAKE UP AND TELL YOUR CHILDREN TO RESPECT OUR NATION, OUR FLAG AND THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE DIED GIVING US FREEDOM

[@s4nie]

ok boomer

[@mercedeslynn2884]

Kathy Whitaker shut up boomer

[@mariasaratheodorsdottir1174]

Why do all of you write in all caps. How about you dont. It makes you come of as disrespectful.

[@amayajiselle7096]

go cry about it

[@mercedeslynn2884]

Amaya Jiselle period

[@thiccrner9764]

I never did it either, not to mention the teens in my highschool didnt say the flag anymore.

[@jamessmith4287]

vaccine risks 20th booster coming out

[@isaiahsantos9317]

It’s absolute disrespect to all our fallen soldiers to not at least stand for the pledge. They died for your freedoms and you use it against them. Disgusting.

[@alfredoolivo3951]

Thin Blue Line Studios it’s my right not to stand 😂

[@natsu5987]

Thin Blue Line Studios well...we didn’t ask them to fight :/

[@jmoon6909]

That didn't even make sense. Try again.

[@flamingflower3584]

Fun fact: the pledge has nothing to do with soldiers.

[@drnuts8449]

Thin Blue Line Studios a lot of the soldiers where forced to fight

[@justinlittle8909]

100% agree with teacher if you as a parent tells your kid not to stand for the pledge then you are anti American and if so you should leave this country people like that make me sick

[@tracyclark3634]

Justin little... Well you see as an honorably discharged vet,,, I don't feel offended in the least,,,we fought for the right to protest in America,,peacefully,,,, I think the real problem is,,most of the people complaining about people sitting or taking a knee or not standing up , Are the same people that really believe America is true blue everyone gets trea treated the same ,,no real racism to speak of..... Same thing conservatives/white folks thought about MLK and his peaceful approach to end racism with the marching and chanting.... At that time alot of white folks thought black people were treated fairly and had no need for the civil rights movement at all really...🤔

[@oldmanmob4659]

And Justin little bet that's the same thing the native Americans tell everyone. Because this is their land

[@dakotastein9499]

Either freedom of speech exists or it does not,you cannot just pick and choose when it does and does not apply when it suits you.thats the definition of hypocrisy.

[@saklee1777]

ditto, but when they are just elementary school students they dont even understand what the pledge of allegiance means exactly, so idk. but i think it’d be fine if they skip saying “one nation under God” for those who aren’t christian.

[@Quinntus79]

What if a person is religious and views the pledge as a form of idolatry? What if a person simply vies pledging alliegance to a piece of fabric as silly? I love living in the USA, but I just find the pledge to be silly and pointless. If we want kids to love their community, how about having them participate in community service that actually gets them active in the community?

[@quarterouncecoy6897]

What a typical attitude of a ty Florida resident. "YOu gUyz hAd a BLaCk pReSiDeNt!"