Teaching Your Horse to Stop From Walk and Trot (Stopping From a Canter Part 3)

[@Burcham-uo7yc]

Thank you so much this makes perfect sense you don't just jump ahead with all the advance stops! Every new green horse is taught to stop with the reins first, then body is added over time. I really especially enjoy you going down to the very little detail in the basics of wait till your horse leans back and even takes a step back when you release all the pressure. This video is going to tremendously help me with an Arabian that has trouble time stopping fully, she will even take an extra step in her stops, at times she can stop very well. But I will keep in mind the wall trick. Thank you!

[@joshuakendle2358]

Thanks a lot for putting these videos together... It is great to see how you have engineered the training process in order to get a yes answer from the horse.

[@WarwickSchiller]

Thanks Joshua.

[@ninabasta5111]

This video couldn't have come at the better time for me 🙏🏻 Thank you Warwick!!! I will try this tomorrow.

[@johanna7096]

Thank you so much for your Videos. I ride englisch on a school pony at my riding school. I ride for about 11 years now, in different Stables (can't afford my own horse) and never got teached any of this. Makes me kind of sad sometimes that I am so bad at riding for this long period of time, but I never had good teachers. Your Videos really help me now with some of the Problems I have on the sweet Pony that I ride, because I can "invent" little exercises based on your Videos and use some of it directly. (Can't so much, because I am not allowed to do (like groundwork -.-)) I always try to learn from different people and different riding techniques even if I can't use this information directly (like baroque riding/classical dressage), but you really break it down and I really love listening you and all the storys you share with us. I also got the chance to try to help other people just by explaining the principles of training and while explaining most of them find answers of there own - which is fantastic I think. Thank you so much.

[@pamalsbury273]

Love Warwick's videos.

[@sshine2700]

Thanks for that Warwick. This has given me hope! I have a VERY forward horse with a VERY hard mouth and I am at my wits end as to how to get him to stop without pulling hard on him all the time. I will definitely give this a go. Thanks so much!

[@WarwickSchiller]

Make sure you perfect the steps in part 1 and 2 first, or this will not work.

[@abassage655]

Wow! I love your observant nature

[@soffken9944]

I'm in love with the horse always carrying itself! Like the video too!

[@johnbosco8209]

Very good to know such a method

[@taniagarrybrowbands8874]

Great explanation

[@CordulaKrebs]

This video (and the other parts) has helped me to rock my mare better to the hind when stopping by breaking things down into easy pieces. Thank you, always inspiring! #journeyon20

[@merryheppler5082]

Warwick I really appreciate your videos!! So helpful! I love the principles! I need help. I have no roundpen but I’ve been doing ground work with my new yearling. I feel like we’re getting pretty good with lateral flexion he’s good with the rope and a flag. My problem is forward. He was “halter broke” before I got him and he is difficult to get him to follow on a loose lead even when pressure is applied he’s happy to just lean on it. My ultimate goal is to be able to successfully pony him along on trail rides but I definitely can’t do that if he doesn’t follow a feel or lead. How do I get him to lead well? Do I need to take him somewhere with a round pen or arena to accomplish this? Thanks! Merry

[@WarwickSchiller]

No need to go anywhere else. It would take me about 6 hours of typing to explain the process really well, I may have to do a video.

[@merryheppler5082]

WarwickSchiller i would certainly love a video!!!! That would be amazingly helpful since leading connects to everything else but specifically trailer loading too. I’ll keep watching your other videos, for sure, to see what else I can pick up. watched the one where you lead the filly inside the barn but yeah I just don’t have the forward part, he’s not quickly responsive. Thanks! Merry

[@audreyehrman7886]

@@merryheppler5082 Hi Merry, I think I know based on what Mr. Schiller has shown us already.. think about what the very first fraction of a second to the start of leading is. Tiny increments build upon each other. His approach results in a very light horse due to the horse being able to understand and respond yes. I love the changes in Warwick's approach in the last few years..

[@nicoletallowitz7055]

Dear Warwick, what would be a good rule of thumb how much time it takes to teach this to a green horse? And how about you teaching a horse to slow down of your seat by using the bending to a stop if it does not slow down/stop? Is using both reins better for the stop?

[@WarwickSchiller]

It takes as long as it takes, they will tell you. I do not leave the fence until they stop before the fence stops them. Stopping off the seat is a totally different thing. stopping off the reins and stopping off the seat, are two separate tools that I will teach separately, and eventually can use them at the same time to great effect.

[@nicoletallowitz7055]

WarwickSchiller Tanks a lot for taking your time to answer my questions!

[@barnzee5929]

Not a fan of the spurs my friend, but i'm still a fan of yours...

[@WarwickSchiller]

Why not ?

[@barnzee5929]

@@WarwickSchiller Thank you for asking, on this particular horse that you're using for demonstration purposes he would probably give you the time of day if you ask for it. No need for bits, spurs or whips on this beauty. Keep up the great work. love your videos...

[@audreyehrman7886]

@@barnzee5929 spurs are tools like the bit. It allows the few pounds of leg pressure to be concentrated in a smaller area so that your cue is clearer.. if you need to poke them hard or jab, then you need to go back and fix forward and most likely, fix yourself first to use the tool correctly.

[@ellyelzinga01]

Thank you so much for your videos, they are so helpful! I have a question about backing up. My horse does back up when I ask him to, but he won't stay straight, he will always go to the left or the right. I must be doing something wrong, do you have an idea of what I could be doing wrong and how I can fix this? With ground work he does back up straight, so I have a strong feeling that the problem is me.. Now I must admit that I have fibromyalgia and I am tense in my body sometimes and I am unable to relax, and he knows that and always tries to help me with that (maybe it sounds stupid but it's true).. But I'm not sure that this is the issue, because also on the days that I am doing good, I cannot get him to back up and stay straight. We don't do any shows or whatever, so when it comes to that it's not important, but I'd love to know how I can do this right.. Thanks!

[@writersbyluck]

I have had the same problem. You can use a wall and back him along a wall...but if you are out in a field (no wall), you can look at the horse's shoulders as he's backing up. If he tends to, say, wind towards the left (his rear goes left-wards) during the back up...you could try gently exerting just a touch more pressure on the left rein just at the moment the left shoulder is in its most forward position (while the animal is in motion). This does take practice and timing...You can then do slight little give and releases...if you feel him start to straighten out, then by all means quit exerting the extra little bit of pressure on the left rein. Try just to do 3 steps at a time. Never a lot. Later go for five. But in your mind's eye marry up the shoulder/rein connection as a way to fix the crookedness. It may take a stride and a half for him to fix himself...and it may even work differently for your horse than mine but that is what I've found I CAN do since my eyes can see his shoulders better than I can feel what his hind legs and feet are doing. I've tried the bringing my lower leg more backwards as an attempt to "guard" or prevent him from sticking his rear in one direction or the otehr but in our case it was fruitless. This slight rein influence did the trick. You are NOT trying to bend the head or neck AT ALL...it's more like if you were leading a kid across a busy intersection and you have to become more empathic with your hand if they started pointing and trying to go in a different direction. Elly Elizinga

[@ninabasta5111]

You probably release the pressure when he starts going sideways. That means you are telling him "yes, I want that". Look at it this way, he's thinking. "What does she want now? Is it sideways? Yep, seems it is." So even if he goes sideways, don't release the pressure until he even slightly leans back. Be comfortable holding the pressure even ten minutes if he needa to figure it out until you get that lean back or one step back. Then repeat.

[@laus7504]

Bundy fangirl! 🐴🐴🧡💙💜 Sorry, will tone it down a notch ;)

[@elizabethblackwell6242]

Nah he loves it!

[@epona9166]

I'm having flashbacks to you telling people why you don't like to always back your horse a step after coming to a stop. Or did I make that up? I don't mean to suggest you are contradicting yourself -- just that under certain situations like this it's a good idea, but maybe in other situations it's not. And I can't remember the other situations -- if there are any :)

[@WarwickSchiller]

Not something I usually say.Maybe you are thinking of me saying why I don't step forward after i back up kzbin.info/www/bejne/hoivnXeIjZx6fLM

[@elizabethblackwell6242]

There is no "teaching a horse to stop off the seat". The biomechanical research clearly shows that when you look at the rider’s seat and see what the seat is actually doing in transitions and half halts, it isn’t abundantly clear to the horse what is being asked compared to the clarity of rein and leg aids. “Riders tell me, I only stop the horse with my seat. And I say, ‘no you don’t, if you let the reins go, the horse won’t stop with your seat.’ I have worked in America with Western Trainers, and they showed me horses that really do stop with the seat alone, but that is because they have usually connected the seat with a severe curb rein in earlier training. With reins, the merest touch says so much, whereas with the seat, it has to shout a little especially for lateral movements.” Dr Andrew MacLean, Equine Neuroscientist, International Society for Equitation Science. Subsequent research using sensors under both saddle and saddle blanket shows that very little seat movement is interpreted or even felt by the horse. It's mostly a trainer or rider myth. Here's an interesting article which contains all the cites at the bottom: www.horsemagazine.com/thm/2012/10/learning-theory-and-biomechanics-with-andrew-mclean/

[@elizabethblackwell6242]

Also this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZCQlKx4mNuEjJY Start at 27:40.

[@jenayaschipper3032]

That’s interesting, I have a horse that I can ride brideless bareback or with a saddle who stops as soon as i shift my weight back. With or without the voice cue.

[@elizabethblackwell6242]

@@jenayaschipper3032 “Riders tell me, I only stop the horse with my seat. And I say, ‘no you don’t, if you let the reins go, the horse won’t stop with your seat.’ I have worked in America with Western Trainers, and they showed me horses that really do stop with the seat alone, but that is because they have usually connected the seat with a severe curb rein in earlier training. With reins, the merest touch says so much, whereas with the seat, it has to shout a little especially for lateral movements.”

[@jenayaschipper3032]

@@elizabethblackwell6242 Ahhh okay must’ve missed that part. If you had a horse light enough though couldn’t they relate it to something softer than a severe curb rein? He’s never been ridden in anything except a halter with the lead rope tied to the bottom loops (a flat halter not the ones with the knots) or a snaffle.

[@elizabethblackwell6242]

@@jenayaschipper3032 Quite likely. All this research is saying is that training a horse to stop by seat alone in the presence of a saddle is unlikely to succeed. At some point early in the training the horse is stopped by a head command and it then associates that command with other commands, including a shift in balance.