Team Spirit's BRILLIANT teamwork / SUPERSTAR PLAYERS leading through ambition - Counter-Points S2E11

Thorin and Maniac discuss the impact that superstar players (like NiKo and s1mple) can have on roster construction and team chemistry, s1mple's potential return to NAVI, the delicate balance between personal and task chemistry, the multitude of strengths of Team Spirit, and more!
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Counter-Points is a Counter-Strike talk show, hosted by Duncan "Thorin" Shields and Mathieu "Maniac" Quiquerez.
This video was recorded on the 18th of February.
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0:00:00 - Star players' input in roster building
0:14:24 - s1mple is coming back + AWPers are quiet
0:25:01 - NAVI
0:29:20 - Personal chemistry vs task chemistry
0:42:13 - Team Spirit
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[@nixnt]

Thorin's last year is maybe the most fruitful body of work in documenting esports history. Sheer volume is overwhelming. Quality only keeps improving even though it is beyond great for a long time already. Entire career is insane, but the last year really sets the bar. Hope to have the honor to meet you some day and thanks for doing all this great work.

[@ninjafingaz7704]

fr its been banger after banger

[@MrMatom55]

Glazing

[@maisamhassani7389]

why does maniac look so smooth

[@ollen1234]

Cuz u Gay?

[@g1tno]

moisturizing m8

[@pacmansjob]

probably been watching grand schlem's all day

[@starwarsguye1152]

He probably just had makeup done for something on screen and hasn’t taken it off before the show

[@liam3104]

He’s just a high quality human

[@stef9019]

Small correction, the biographer's name is Walter Isaacson. He also wrote biographies on Albert Einstein and Leonardo Da Vinci. I'm reading the latter currently, his work is spectacular.

[@smiths8387]

1:14:02 shout out to Peyton Manning

[@tobyhall8048]

I could recognise Barry's voice from anywhere. Always new thorin was a Barry guy

[@weltraumaffe7460]

Very happy you mentioned magixx this time and that you've also made the same point that I commented under the snake and banter with tedd. Im a super newbie in cs, having only started playing it two years ago and paying attention to the pro scene since last year only so these talkshows are very insightful.

[@danboing3864]

It's just funny that this episode drops and they give Magixx his flowers right after spirit win a 13-0 game where donk drops a 2.41 rating while magixx didn't get a single kill until it was like 11-0.

[@weltraumaffe7460]

if youve watched the game you know why thats not the smartest comment to make but whatever makes you happy brother@@danboing3864

[@varunnarain50]

@@danboing3864you do realise the entire Spirit team is setup to let Donk succeed. This isn’t some dumpster that he’s carrying. They are setting him up for success in a way S1mple for example never really got until late into his career.

[@cole8209]

@@danboing3864and the game after that?

[@tobyhall8048]

​@@varunnarain50 exactly, even when flipside was winning through simple, F3 was a team trying to play complicated contemporary CS. Spirit right now is setup to shelter Donk from the other IGL/coach.

[@Jaytalise]

THE TIMING. Simple to Falcons wat

[@t.w.videos1739]

This spirit run reminded me of new york faze clan in 2017 when niko had the highest rating ever and the whole team popped off

[@vedser]

Chopper wasnt an igl in Vega squadron, it was jR. He became an igl only in spirit. Thats why the style "changed"

[@Tophe]

donk: otherworldly aggressive rifler sh1ro: 99.999% reliable passive AWPer with clutch capabilities zont1x: rock anchor always good for at least 2 kills no matter what magixx: veteran fragger-turned-support insane xyp9x level clutcher chopper: genius utility usage fragging IGL

[@heavyflamerheresy2581]

I would say that Dev1ce is also one of the awpers making it work with the AWP.

[@tigerjoseph]

This is the thinking man's Counter Strike show.

[@tech4172]

For the Navi discussion idk IM hasn't been great but he's been more consistent than bit yes he has some impact but he is not the same player at all. And JL has just started playing decent

[@Cheezperson]

Nice

[@pineapple9893]

I think g2 will use cloud9's desperation to let them spend tons for Monesy and then buy s1mple as the replacement.

[@milostomic9460]

Saudi money is too much

[@yo4156]

simple will def have salary more than monesy

[@D4Z3D_]

Lol that would be an immediate way to make the team full of washed boomers

[@lipaalbanka]

19:18 because je join falcons😅

[@mareksicinski449]

1:06:33 or close many

[@8roma8]

nico doesnt understand that no one would care if he decides things, if he owns his decisions. Like when allu said that they believed ence would be better if aleksib was replace

[@bansheem5382]

First of all it’s niko* second don’t be a pleb and repeat word for word what thorin has said many times in his videos

[@shadowboy2417]

@@bansheem5382 Why are you calling him a pleb?

[@bansheem5382]

@@shadowboy2417 algorithm

[@8roma8]

@@bansheem5382 i can acknowledge that i dont have original ideas in cs, but if i feel that the context is lost in many discussions

[@Jmvars]

magixx is the new SANJI?

[@Lekeing]

Magixx has twice the mechanical skill of Sanji, not even close.

[@mareksicinski449]

1:19:00 some pplare

[@ollen1234]

Yo

[@rhapsody2818]

Ayo

[@alext5893]

"Promo SM" 💕

[@vokuhila6913]

s1mple for iM would actually be perfect

[@cole8209]

how about s1mple for boros? 😉

[@bammst1957]

Bro Thorin pls just go back to the reflection series where u put up the best work.

[@liam3104]

? He does tons of reflections and it relies on having a guest very often

[@tech4172]

Ik you guys are saying old players should have a voice such as niko but IMHO Monesy is the only opinion that should matter in that team HE is the only reason they Win 99% of the time

[@shcaboose]

You can’t just take the last 3 months as gospel. Niko was the carry on this team for years and he still can be, once he fully adjusts to CS2 or possibly get of a mental block if that’s his issue right now. His level and veteran experience is almost unrivaled.

[@funkygizmo]

NiKo was the second best player in the world (according to hltv) last year. Bro is just in a slump rn

[@stayhome4626]

not "counter point" anymore , just "I agree with your point" now .