Team StarCraft Vs Team Warcraft: SC2 + WC3 matchup! (Modded SC2 Cast)

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Today we have a 2v2 matchup featuring team StarCraft 2 (KlasSs [T] + AnyOne [P]) Vs team Warcraft 3 (Zarama [O[ + Rosebudio [O]). As of yet this mod is still in alpha, and this game in particular is an extension of the Azeroth-Koprulu Hyperwar mod intended to bring more balance to the game. Basically, this game is now Warhammer featuring Orcs, Space Marines and more! Think of the algorithm this way, it's SC2 + WC3 = Warhammer!
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[@heitorvserpa]

And I've already seen matches with WC races only. People would legit play a mod rather than Reforged 😂😂

[@ElleixGaming]

There’s even a mod out there that rebuilds some WC3 campaigns within the SC2 engine 😂😂

[@subscriber101able]

this is literally all we asked for afterall. "Can we have a remastered wc3? just slap in on the sc2 engine maybe." "Here, have this Hyper HD models that function only 40% of the time and don't even fit the wc3 asthetic." "..."

[@saimyintmyat9373]

​@@subscriber101able Better than Nothing. At least We can play Wc3 for Free

[@Adrian_Good]

@@subscriber101able are you telling me that we really wanted what we asked for! wow! who would've guessed! right Blizzard?

[@zerovermilion8715]

Orc Raider Ensnare is the complete opposite of a Protoss Phoenix lift Ensnare: - Binds enemy unit in place. - Enemy unit is stuck to the ground. - DOES NOT DISABLE the caster from following up with an attack. - Roots the enemy in place, instead of Stunning them. Graviton Beam: - Binds enemy unit in place. - Enemy unit is lifted to the air. - Caster channels to keep enemy lifted. - Cannot work vs Massive targets. - Enemy ground units lifted this way are Stunned, instead of Rooted.

[@rishikeshvas]

Its identical to the infested diamond back ability right but targets both ground and air?

[@GraveUypo]

they should invert mineral and gas cost for war3 units and adjust prices accordingly. minerals are closer to wood than to gold, and vespene works exactly like a gold mine

[@r.d.6290]

That's a no-brainer tbh, why isn't the change implemented yet.

[@Adrian_Good]

@@r.d.6290 that is how it works xd i see the gold mine on the vespene spots

[@zachariastsampasidis8880]

It has more to do with the relative value not the extraction process Gold is analogous to minerals Wood to gas

[@drewpaiva93]

those starcraft 2 players are such newbies...

[@Knuckles2761]

True, true. Feels like wc3 guys wouldn't have a chance against something as simple as 10 tanks.

[@roelbravante3157]

man! this crazy mods is the best!! keep uploading my guy!! hope that they will make a tournament for this. especially the blizzard really don't care about the community, the community saves this game indeed!

[@ElleixGaming]

Glad you're enjoying the videos man! It's funny you mentioned a tournament because someone just sent me some replays from a tourney they hosted 👀 I don't think it's all the games but still a good amount, I'll be casting them soon!

[@roelbravante3157]

@@ElleixGaming nice!! just keep them uploading hahaha thanks again for the effort

[@ElleixGaming]

I got you man 🤟 I appreciate the support!

[@moya271]

. Some KZbinrs in Spanish make tournaments with their subscribers maybe talk to them to place more people and from other countries

[@moya271]

Some KZbinrs in Spanish make tournaments with their subscribers maybe talk to them to place more people and from other countries. I can talk whit one of them if you want. Because a dont think blizzard will do something like a tournament, blizzard dont care the community.

[@Okamikirby]

More of this mod please, Love to see it and cant get it anywhere else!

[@ElleixGaming]

I plan on casting a lot more of it! I’m surprised more creators aren’t casting it

[@Pigraider268]

Maybe we should have mixed WC/SC teams to keep things more even?

[@Sora-Mi]

They need to let the SC 2 players to get heroes too. If there’s not a leaving system maybe after unlocking a certain structure or add in coop like features

[@amir.r1639]

Sc2 is more op They just dont know what to do against the wc3 I played this mod like 20 hours and zerg is best race to destroy them because it can take 5 base while wc3 races have only 2 or 3 And ultra is just too op for them Lurkers is best option for early game because they have less detector than sc2 And swarm can put them into base for some time And if you have decent mineral and larva you can just spam zerglin and bailing No need for air just rush ground units they become overwhelmed do easily and infester can just reduce air damage by 60 percentage Wc3 isn't op unless they reach

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

The night elves AOE vs the Zerg's numbers I would love to see a Priestess use starfall and watch an army of zerg come down in less than a minute hahaha Or a blademaster using bladestorm would be satisfying to watch too haha

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

the humans if done right can expand really quickly due to them being able to rush a single building in production but i have to test it first

[@theolanderdilag3872]

So here's the kicker on some of the wc3 vs sc2 basics: 1. Sc2 factions are majorly discouraged from scouting or harassing early game. Units (excluding heroes) can make their life a lot more miserable. Peasants turning to militiamen which turns them into a zealot basically, Orcs having a double-purposed supply bunker (both of which can be accessed by Mengsk as a variation in the Co-op), and Undead's mineral worker, ghouls, also doubles as their basic infantry unit. 2. The two edge WC3 factions have right now is their capability of making heroes and tankier units in the early game, (which strikes me as odd because wow, chainmail armor/leather armor beats a damn power armor lol), and utility. It may not seem as much, but they really love their crowd control, something that SC refuses to touch. 3. Ground units galore, and their air units regarded as tier 3 at best, and it doesn't help that WC3 has slow building process to achieve it. A lot of air units are just as strong as their SC2 counterparts but not as varied. It definitely is a can of worms to tackle, but these are the three key things I observed so far. Also subbed! Love your commentary :D

[@zachariastsampasidis8880]

Wc3 factions start with less workers though. That being said, humans can power build tc and undead can spawn workers from tc and crypts. Orcs and elves though... Also early heroes have atrocious xp curve till the game macro picks up. And you need either a ranged hero or a melee with an aoe spell

[@inception3274]

SC Mod > Reforged

[@Codigo-wp2ki]

Definitivamente es mejor STARCRAFT 1 VS STARCRAFT 2 VS WARCRAFT 3 (SOLO FALTA AGE OF MITOLOGY)

[@brickstonesonn9276]

Getting a warcraft pro and starcraft pro for this would be sick

[@MakuBuku]

15:28 bloodmage used astral body(or how this spell is called) on thor. Unit in astral body form can't use autoattacks, but can use spells. Also can't absorp physical damage, but gets more magical damage

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

its banish in the bloodmage astral body is the spell that the orc tauren spirit walker use to make himself invulnerable to physical damage but takes magic damage instead but does not auto attack

[@MakuBuku]

@@shemjoshuadumpor3654 ah, thank you, fellow wc3 enjoyer

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

@@MakuBuku For the HORDE!!, For the ALLIANCE, For the EMERALD DREAM!!, For the LICH KING!

[@munchy7830]

the gameplay is really good sum it up with your godly casting

[@ElleixGaming]

S tier compliment - I appreciate it!

[@ParleLeVu]

Thanks to Rosebuddio for developing some parts of this mod, but his Blademaster-micro is awful. It sucks literal elephant-balls. That Blademaster can clean out the entire Protoss mineral line in the start, but he runs around doing nothing, and doesn't use windwalk, opting for the useless mirror image.

[@aoyaibaba3090]

That rosebud dude. Been on a couple of matches featured in this channel and still hasn't learn any lessons and was the weakest member in this match. You should've know by now there's gonna be a Hero running straight to your base. You play Terran and no bunker? no Tank? Not even closing the door. Just lock yourself up inside and defend for the the first 5 mins Jesus!

[@RikouHogashi]

The Craft War of the Stars! (its a shame the discord link to the mod is expired)

[@ZeerY69]

They can add story heros to this mod (ofc the need balance it first)

[@DevilWearsAdidas]

put them both against clem and see what a difference it makes.

[@rayymondmorgan1697]

Learn a bit about WC3 before casting

[@StorminNormin411]

man those Warcraft units are just too stacked.

[@KL-ed4fq]

show Broodwars vs Wc3 vs Sc2

[@DanyBychkov]

War craft 3 units un balanced

[@tauytauy]

Damage Gap is one of the big problems

[@zadd1231]

No undead gameplay yet, we wait now...

[@DavidPokemonPokemon-hd4yb]

Gaaaaaa 🎉 WARCRAFT 3 🎉 jejeje es poderoso 💪

[@bacontv9423]

gow o i get this mode

[@geng-ku4pk]

I love orc

[@matthewpereida1261]

Love these

[@remeokits]

The human guys should hold the crystal like wood.

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

yes i think it would be better balancing wise if they invert the gold from minerals to gold from gas

[@RikouHogashi]

Zerg and Protoss(Dark Templar Faction) vs Undead and Night Elf though now that would be a good Halloween style matchup but i do wonder how would night/day would work perhaps a cooldown timer for the elves before they could hide?

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

this mod actually adds a night and day function you can see the area of sight reduce in an amount of time

[@RikouHogashi]

@@shemjoshuadumpor3654 I jumped the gun and didn't know this channel showed off the night elves already but ive yet to see Undead being shown yet and be vs Zerg since they have a lot in common considering Blight and Creeped ground being essentially the same

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

Me too haven't seen an undead gameplay yet That would be interesting to see a horde of skeletons can be easily accomplished due to the fact organic sc2 units leave dead bodies

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

i forgot undead can also fast expand because acolytes can summon multiple buildings in a very short timeframe

[@jasonperez-qn3xw]

subbed

[@ElleixGaming]

I appreciate it! Glad you’re enjoying the content

[@ricorommeldumaplin4822]

I already saw how the undead function in this mod and boy that race is so op especially the hero lich one shots every cluster of marines, zealots, and zerg with frost nova they are also capable of having the best and fast economy by being able to spawn ghouls from the necropolis and crypt at the same time

[@ElleixGaming]

I finally got my hands on an undead replay today! Haven’t had the chance to cast it yet. I’m excited to see them in action, I gotta see how the here lich does 😂

[@ricorommeldumaplin4822]

@@ElleixGaming all I can say is that he is the most op unit when it comes to spell damage but still he can be countered by the ghost's EMP and high templar's feedback assuming they can hit him first

[@GraveUypo]

that just proves damage scaling is all wrong. that spell doesn't even kill a ghoul in one shot - that's basically the warcraft equivalent of a zergling.

[@hansmatos2504]

The mod says it balances things out. Why didn't they just do a x10 HP and damage and armor on the starcraft 2 factions? That would have been enough.

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

that would have been 2 OP for starcraft the units from warcraft 3 are not that large than starcraft they can overwhelm the warcraft 3 units in late game The only downside is some of the heroes can do huge low cooldown AOE such as the Lich from the undead faction using Frost Nova which in level one i think can do 150 damage and nova damage? and the bloodmage that has flamestrike which you can see in this game and if it reaches level 6 the bloodmage can summon a Phoenix unit that can burn and attack multiple units at once i think the heroes need balancing

[@hansmatos2504]

@@shemjoshuadumpor3654 it would've been more realistic. Primitives can't hope to compete against advanced species, except probably only with the use of magic

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

got your point. But yes magic is the only thing that gave them an edge on this if we look at it at a realistic perspective Lorewise perspective i can see them possibly on par with sc2 but the main purpose of the mod is to implement warcraft 3 into starcraft 2 yes balance is needed for the 2 but adding 10X health and damage would ruin the feel for sc2 and lowering the stats for wc3 would ruin theirs. and this mod is relatively new and we can see that most of the players are still getting a feel for the mod in time they will invent strategies that would work against the new factions just like any other factions that need unique strategies for dealing them

[@hansmatos2504]

@@shemjoshuadumpor3654 would it work if they made the StarCraft armor just capable of reducing greatly the normal/piercing/siege while receiving full magic/chaos damage instead? It would make sense, seeing cute lil arrows just snapping when trying to Pierce space-age metals and the incredibly tough Zerg carapace but a magic bolt has a chance at doing something

[@GraveUypo]

everything about the warcraft races is imba. - they're WAY faster than they're supposed to be both in move speed and in attack speed - they do WAY more damage than they should - Heroes are way tankier and have way more DPS and attack speed than they should at level 1 - there's no upkeep system in place - pop cap makes no sense - eco is much faster than it should be, and combined with the 200 pop cap makes everything plays completely different from warcraft - prices are not balanced correctly - buildings are not more vulnerable in their construction phase like they should be

[@cathulionetharn5139]

it kinda feels like wc3 with it's units and heroes but the unit balance is from wc2

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

the game is set at a higher speed than in warcraft 3 its all the same attack speed and movement speed from the original game 1. Humans have the ability to build buildings faster by making peasants work on the same building. While orcs take alot longer to build buildings. 2. The human army in early game mostly consist of riflemen and footmen due to them being low cost but has low health being the rifleman easy to kill with huge AOE damage in early game 3. The damage that all the units from warcraft 3 is the same from this mod i actually looked at it myself 4. Heroes where always tanky in the original game the only balance you have is this mod does not add the merchant buildings that the heroes can buy more unique items such as a "Khagdar's Gem of Health" as an example which can give the heroes 500 extra hp or 1 THOR amount of health. 5. Prices i am not sure but i think i remember that the Orc Grunt only costs 200 minerals I think it would be better if they invert the prices being gas as the Goldmine 6. And like in warcraft 3 buildings are not more vulnerable in the original game when you do damage to a building in construction phase if not killed in the process it will take the sum of the damage taken while constructing In a sense its a bit vulnerable because the construction process does not start on full health

[@cathulionetharn5139]

@@shemjoshuadumpor3654 I'm pretty sure heroes have different damage, I don't think level 1 blademaster has 22-46

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

@@cathulionetharn5139 yep its exactly the same amount of damage from warcraft 3 i just checked The blademaster is the damage dealer of the orc faction which is the original game is best for taking down economy units being able to deal massive damage and can just scurry out using wind walk and by the way can also crit

[@mvd4749]

Widow mines are too powerful, against largely melee units that bunch up. I love this mod.

[@rishikeshvas]

The WC3 factions seem too strong. Of the games i watched, the SC2 factions always lose.

[@ElleixGaming]

I’m trying to get some more diversity, AnyOne (one of the players in this game) just sent me a whole pack of replays so we’ll see how those go!

[@rishikeshvas]

@@ElleixGaming ooh. Make sense. Love the videos man

[@cathulionetharn5139]

wintersc casted some more, and it feels like a good'ol stim marine ball still counters anything that doesn't have aoe. And even then frost wyrms can be brought down with enough of them Looks like wc3 player needs to rely on early hero harass and prevent the sc2 player from macro-ing, also get exp for heroes, which seems extremely scarce

[@amir.r1639]

Sc2 is more op They just dont know what to do against the wc3 I played this mod like 20 hours and zerg is best race to destroy them because it can take 5 base while wc3 races have only 2 or 3 And ultra is just too op for them Lurkers is best option for early game because they have less detector than sc2 And swarm can put them into base for some time And if you have decent mineral and larva you can just spam zerglin and bailing No need for air just rush ground units they become overwhelmed do easily and infester can just reduce air damage by 60 percentage Wc3 isn't op unless they reach equal resources and supply

[@Okamikirby]

Watch harstem play this, good players instantly find the WC3 race weaknesses and exploit them. Theyre not OP, if anything they are easily cheesable.

[@zhd7281]

heroes need nerf definitely. They may be more tanky than regular unit so that they won't be sniped and able to gain xp, but more damage makes them broken. they could be strong in late game but the early game strength should be limited

[@Okamikirby]

No they should be strong, It is what differentiates them from the SC races in a major way. WC3 has heroes, but SC2 has larger build diversity, better macro mechanics, and better deathball units. Warcraft 3 units arent designed for deathball battles, and only the heroes are capable of turning those kinds of fights.