Team StarCraft Vs Team Warcraft: SC2 + WC3 matchup! (Modded SC2 Cast)

[@heitorvserpa]

And I've already seen matches with WC races only. People would legit play a mod rather than Reforged 😂😂

[@ElleixGaming]

There’s even a mod out there that rebuilds some WC3 campaigns within the SC2 engine 😂😂

[@ElatedSphee]

this is literally all we asked for afterall. "Can we have a remastered wc3? just slap in on the sc2 engine maybe." "Here, have this Hyper HD models that function only 40% of the time and don't even fit the wc3 asthetic." "..."

[@saimyintmyat9373]

​@@ElatedSphee Better than Nothing. At least We can play Wc3 for Free

[@Tey_TX]

@@ElatedSphee are you telling me that we really wanted what we asked for! wow! who would've guessed! right Blizzard?

[@zerovermilion8715]

Orc Raider Ensnare is the complete opposite of a Protoss Phoenix lift Ensnare: - Binds enemy unit in place. - Enemy unit is stuck to the ground. - DOES NOT DISABLE the caster from following up with an attack. - Roots the enemy in place, instead of Stunning them. Graviton Beam: - Binds enemy unit in place. - Enemy unit is lifted to the air. - Caster channels to keep enemy lifted. - Cannot work vs Massive targets. - Enemy ground units lifted this way are Stunned, instead of Rooted.

[@rishikeshvas]

Its identical to the infested diamond back ability right but targets both ground and air?

[@GraveUypo]

they should invert mineral and gas cost for war3 units and adjust prices accordingly. minerals are closer to wood than to gold, and vespene works exactly like a gold mine

[@r.d.6290]

That's a no-brainer tbh, why isn't the change implemented yet.

[@Tey_TX]

@@r.d.6290 that is how it works xd i see the gold mine on the vespene spots

[@zachariastsampasidis8880]

It has more to do with the relative value not the extraction process Gold is analogous to minerals Wood to gas

[@amai2307]

What are you smoking? In any regular game you have much more gold, than wood.

[@r.d.6290]

@@zachariastsampasidis8880 then it should be gold patches and wood mine

[@theolanderdilag3872]

So here's the kicker on some of the wc3 vs sc2 basics: 1. Sc2 factions are majorly discouraged from scouting or harassing early game. Units (excluding heroes) can make their life a lot more miserable. Peasants turning to militiamen which turns them into a zealot basically, Orcs having a double-purposed supply bunker (both of which can be accessed by Mengsk as a variation in the Co-op), and Undead's mineral worker, ghouls, also doubles as their basic infantry unit. 2. The two edge WC3 factions have right now is their capability of making heroes and tankier units in the early game, (which strikes me as odd because wow, chainmail armor/leather armor beats a damn power armor lol), and utility. It may not seem as much, but they really love their crowd control, something that SC refuses to touch. 3. Ground units galore, and their air units regarded as tier 3 at best, and it doesn't help that WC3 has slow building process to achieve it. A lot of air units are just as strong as their SC2 counterparts but not as varied. It definitely is a can of worms to tackle, but these are the three key things I observed so far. Also subbed! Love your commentary :D

[@zachariastsampasidis8880]

Wc3 factions start with less workers though. That being said, humans can power build tc and undead can spawn workers from tc and crypts. Orcs and elves though... Also early heroes have atrocious xp curve till the game macro picks up. And you need either a ranged hero or a melee with an aoe spell

[@roelbravante3157]

man! this crazy mods is the best!! keep uploading my guy!! hope that they will make a tournament for this. especially the blizzard really don't care about the community, the community saves this game indeed!

[@ElleixGaming]

Glad you're enjoying the videos man! It's funny you mentioned a tournament because someone just sent me some replays from a tourney they hosted 👀 I don't think it's all the games but still a good amount, I'll be casting them soon!

[@roelbravante3157]

@@ElleixGaming nice!! just keep them uploading hahaha thanks again for the effort

[@ElleixGaming]

I got you man 🤟 I appreciate the support!

[@moya271]

. Some KZbinrs in Spanish make tournaments with their subscribers maybe talk to them to place more people and from other countries

[@moya271]

Some KZbinrs in Spanish make tournaments with their subscribers maybe talk to them to place more people and from other countries. I can talk whit one of them if you want. Because a dont think blizzard will do something like a tournament, blizzard dont care the community.

[@MakuBuku]

15:28 bloodmage used astral body(or how this spell is called) on thor. Unit in astral body form can't use autoattacks, but can use spells. Also can't absorp physical damage, but gets more magical damage

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

its banish in the bloodmage astral body is the spell that the orc tauren spirit walker use to make himself invulnerable to physical damage but takes magic damage instead but does not auto attack

[@MakuBuku]

@@shemjoshuadumpor3654 ah, thank you, fellow wc3 enjoyer

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

@@MakuBuku For the HORDE!!, For the ALLIANCE, For the EMERALD DREAM!!, For the LICH KING!

[@Okamikirby]

More of this mod please, Love to see it and cant get it anywhere else!

[@ElleixGaming]

I plan on casting a lot more of it! I’m surprised more creators aren’t casting it

[@catbert7]

Love this mod

[@Pigraider268]

Maybe we should have mixed WC/SC teams to keep things more even?

[@alexnguyen-i7f]

how to play this mod

[@Sora-Mi]

They need to let the SC 2 players to get heroes too. If there’s not a leaving system maybe after unlocking a certain structure or add in coop like features

[@koloraider]

No, seems pointless. Better strategies should be developed and Starcraft players need to learn how to counter Warcraft players. The only changes they should be making are ones that give a more faithful representation to Warcraft in the player vs player mode, otherwise why pit these two games against each other if we're gonna give one game an upper hand but not the other game. Someone will find ways to win consistently and for now we should just enjoy the carnage.

[@amai2307]

More like sc2 were punished hard for having no wall, and couldnt recover till the very end of the game.

[@amir.r1639]

Sc2 is more op They just dont know what to do against the wc3 I played this mod like 20 hours and zerg is best race to destroy them because it can take 5 base while wc3 races have only 2 or 3 And ultra is just too op for them Lurkers is best option for early game because they have less detector than sc2 And swarm can put them into base for some time And if you have decent mineral and larva you can just spam zerglin and bailing No need for air just rush ground units they become overwhelmed do easily and infester can just reduce air damage by 60 percentage Wc3 isn't op unless they reach equal eco

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

The night elves AOE vs the Zerg's numbers I would love to see a Priestess use starfall and watch an army of zerg come down in less than a minute hahaha Or a blademaster using bladestorm would be satisfying to watch too haha

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

the humans if done right can expand really quickly due to them being able to rush a single building in production but i have to test it first

[@catbert7]

Ultra OP until a Wraith steals it or a Kodo eats it or a Sorceress Polymorphs it or NE Hero Entangles it or kite them with Slow from Dryad, Sorceress, Frost Wyrm, Nova, etc. ;p

[@matthewpereida1261]

Love these

[@StorminNormin411]

man those Warcraft units are just too stacked.

[@kittyflier8338]

Can hero units be feedbacked or neural parasited?

[@brickstonesonn9276]

Getting a warcraft pro and starcraft pro for this would be sick

[@yuanmateo1987]

This channel was casting some pretty good fights but i think the mod theyre using isnt azeroth koprulu hyperwar mod youtube.com/@maengduck2?si=tqBD9AdFzzCRwUTA

[@munchy7830]

the gameplay is really good sum it up with your godly casting

[@ElleixGaming]

S tier compliment - I appreciate it!

[@hartanto8432]

Where is SC 2 heroes? Like reynor, kerrigan (sorry if wrong spelling)

[@cliphaithayba]

great project! hope in the future there will be a game combining Warcraft and Starcraft like this, not need to be the official version of Blizzard. Starcraft fans and Warcraft fans will be able to compete with each other in a game

[@rickyjaruda3632]

What about battle realm vs starcraft?

[@GraveUypo]

everything about the warcraft races is imba. - they're WAY faster than they're supposed to be both in move speed and in attack speed - they do WAY more damage than they should - Heroes are way tankier and have way more DPS and attack speed than they should at level 1 - there's no upkeep system in place - pop cap makes no sense - eco is much faster than it should be, and combined with the 200 pop cap makes everything plays completely different from warcraft - prices are not balanced correctly - buildings are not more vulnerable in their construction phase like they should be

[@cathulionetharn5139]

it kinda feels like wc3 with it's units and heroes but the unit balance is from wc2

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

the game is set at a higher speed than in warcraft 3 its all the same attack speed and movement speed from the original game 1. Humans have the ability to build buildings faster by making peasants work on the same building. While orcs take alot longer to build buildings. 2. The human army in early game mostly consist of riflemen and footmen due to them being low cost but has low health being the rifleman easy to kill with huge AOE damage in early game 3. The damage that all the units from warcraft 3 is the same from this mod i actually looked at it myself 4. Heroes where always tanky in the original game the only balance you have is this mod does not add the merchant buildings that the heroes can buy more unique items such as a "Khagdar's Gem of Health" as an example which can give the heroes 500 extra hp or 1 THOR amount of health. 5. Prices i am not sure but i think i remember that the Orc Grunt only costs 200 minerals I think it would be better if they invert the prices being gas as the Goldmine 6. And like in warcraft 3 buildings are not more vulnerable in the original game when you do damage to a building in construction phase if not killed in the process it will take the sum of the damage taken while constructing In a sense its a bit vulnerable because the construction process does not start on full health

[@cathulionetharn5139]

@@shemjoshuadumpor3654 I'm pretty sure heroes have different damage, I don't think level 1 blademaster has 22-46

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

@@cathulionetharn5139 yep its exactly the same amount of damage from warcraft 3 i just checked The blademaster is the damage dealer of the orc faction which is the original game is best for taking down economy units being able to deal massive damage and can just scurry out using wind walk and by the way can also crit

[@christianmikestesting1298]

We need Canon Movie of this

[@ElleixGaming]

Would absolutely watch it!

[@ricorommeldumaplin4822]

I already saw how the undead function in this mod and boy that race is so op especially the hero lich one shots every cluster of marines, zealots, and zerg with frost nova they are also capable of having the best and fast economy by being able to spawn ghouls from the necropolis and crypt at the same time

[@ElleixGaming]

I finally got my hands on an undead replay today! Haven’t had the chance to cast it yet. I’m excited to see them in action, I gotta see how the here lich does 😂

[@ricorommeldumaplin4822]

@@ElleixGaming all I can say is that he is the most op unit when it comes to spell damage but still he can be countered by the ghost's EMP and high templar's feedback assuming they can hit him first

[@GraveUypo]

that just proves damage scaling is all wrong. that spell doesn't even kill a ghoul in one shot - that's basically the warcraft equivalent of a zergling.

[@RikouHogashi]

Zerg and Protoss(Dark Templar Faction) vs Undead and Night Elf though now that would be a good Halloween style matchup but i do wonder how would night/day would work perhaps a cooldown timer for the elves before they could hide?

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

this mod actually adds a night and day function you can see the area of sight reduce in an amount of time

[@RikouHogashi]

@@shemjoshuadumpor3654 I jumped the gun and didn't know this channel showed off the night elves already but ive yet to see Undead being shown yet and be vs Zerg since they have a lot in common considering Blight and Creeped ground being essentially the same

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

Me too haven't seen an undead gameplay yet That would be interesting to see a horde of skeletons can be easily accomplished due to the fact organic sc2 units leave dead bodies

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

i forgot undead can also fast expand because acolytes can summon multiple buildings in a very short timeframe

[@altonito777]

@@shemjoshuadumpor3654 Harstem played some undead on his channel if that may interest you

[@RikouHogashi]

The Craft War of the Stars! (its a shame the discord link to the mod is expired)

[@Wraithlolbbq]

this is so cool hahaha

[@ZeerY69]

They can add story heros to this mod (ofc the need balance it first)

[@KL-ed4fq]

show Broodwars vs Wc3 vs Sc2

[@MegaOgrady]

Terran should've added a few hellbats to pump those minerals into units. Mech is too gas heavy and without hellions/hellbats you just end up floating a lot of minerals

[@jasonperez-qn3xw]

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[@ElleixGaming]

I appreciate it! Glad you’re enjoying the content

[@remeokits]

The human guys should hold the crystal like wood.

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

yes i think it would be better balancing wise if they invert the gold from minerals to gold from gas

[@SeRoShadow]

how is a player created mode working better than Warcraft 3 Reforged just asking, Activison

[@inception3274]

SC Mod > Reforged

[@cliphaithayba]

Starcraft + Warcraft = StarWar 😂

[@areoangeldream200]

Only disadvantage is can’t buy items or hunting wild monsters for wc races

[@user-Chaotic]

The orcs final air units can even do a kamakazi dive so playing air units with orcs is a really bad idea 😂😂😂

[@digntyotaddictd]

All those complaining about balance should first acknowledge how bad the SC players were. It seems a decent player can easily hold off hero harass. I in fact think it is very balanced, possibly even SC2 favoured when in late game they get their mass AOE

[@UndyingZombie]

FYI, if we where to honestly compare 40k's Space Marines vs Starcraft's space marines.. Well.. It would be a complete stomp fest if they where to face each other. Space Marines in 40k are genetically altered by quite a bit. They are much larger, have backup organs, spit acid, ect. Their armor can take a better pounding than the Starcraft marine's armor and the weapons they use are also much nastier. If you ever actually read the lore of Warhammer 40k you will find out how extreme everything is.. Something to also keep in mind the Space Marine in Warhammer 40k is considered the basic "in the middle" of the basic ground troops. IE the average joe. Meaning there are LOTS of things much nastier than they are. To put something into perspective for people who might not understand it yet. Weapon wise, its like comparing a .22 caliber vs a .50 caliber.. Except its actually a bigger size than a 50 cal but I am just using it as a closer reference.. The .22 being the best Starcraft has to offer, vs the 2end worst Warhammer 40k has to offer. ( The worst weapon humans use in 40k is used a lot by the Imperial Guard basic troops. Its jokingly called a "flashlight". That said it would punch a huge hole in anything we can possibly make in real life, but it basically is a joke in 40k weapon wise. )

[@ElleixGaming]

No you're totally right. After playing Space Marine 2 I have to admit Space Marines are on a completely different level. A Space Marine feels like an important asset where a SC2 Marine feels more like cannon fodder (as much as it pains me to say it lmao)

[@tauytauy]

Damage Gap is one of the big problems

[@Rhovanni]

No undead gameplay yet, we wait now...

[@chuck_jotsugaming6755]

Is this 40k

[@ElleixGaming]

SC40k confirmed.

[@fdajax5107]

Imagine if they add hero sc2 units like Reynor, Tychus, Nova, Artanis, Alarak, Zagara

[@ElleixGaming]

I'm really hoping they add it!

[@altonito777]

Since you started with Reynor at first I thought that was a list of pro players that you wanted to see as hero units xD would be a great idea tho

[@hansmatos2504]

The mod says it balances things out. Why didn't they just do a x10 HP and damage and armor on the starcraft 2 factions? That would have been enough.

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

that would have been 2 OP for starcraft the units from warcraft 3 are not that large than starcraft they can overwhelm the warcraft 3 units in late game The only downside is some of the heroes can do huge low cooldown AOE such as the Lich from the undead faction using Frost Nova which in level one i think can do 150 damage and nova damage? and the bloodmage that has flamestrike which you can see in this game and if it reaches level 6 the bloodmage can summon a Phoenix unit that can burn and attack multiple units at once i think the heroes need balancing

[@hansmatos2504]

@@shemjoshuadumpor3654 it would've been more realistic. Primitives can't hope to compete against advanced species, except probably only with the use of magic

[@shemjoshuadumpor3654]

got your point. But yes magic is the only thing that gave them an edge on this if we look at it at a realistic perspective Lorewise perspective i can see them possibly on par with sc2 but the main purpose of the mod is to implement warcraft 3 into starcraft 2 yes balance is needed for the 2 but adding 10X health and damage would ruin the feel for sc2 and lowering the stats for wc3 would ruin theirs. and this mod is relatively new and we can see that most of the players are still getting a feel for the mod in time they will invent strategies that would work against the new factions just like any other factions that need unique strategies for dealing them

[@hansmatos2504]

@@shemjoshuadumpor3654 would it work if they made the StarCraft armor just capable of reducing greatly the normal/piercing/siege while receiving full magic/chaos damage instead? It would make sense, seeing cute lil arrows just snapping when trying to Pierce space-age metals and the incredibly tough Zerg carapace but a magic bolt has a chance at doing something

[@hansmatos2504]

@@shemjoshuadumpor3654 I think the only way to balance this would be to reverse the resource system for the warcraft factions. Minerals should be wood and vespene, gold.

[@aoyaibaba3090]

That rosebud dude. Been on a couple of matches featured in this channel and still hasn't learn any lessons and was the weakest member in this match. You should've know by now there's gonna be a Hero running straight to your base. You play Terran and no bunker? no Tank? Not even closing the door. Just lock yourself up inside and defend for the the first 5 mins Jesus!

[@ParleLeVu]

Thanks to Rosebuddio for developing some parts of this mod, but his Blademaster-micro is awful. It sucks literal elephant-balls. That Blademaster can clean out the entire Protoss mineral line in the start, but he runs around doing nothing, and doesn't use windwalk, opting for the useless mirror image.

[@nickvinsable3798]

🤔 . . . I wonder if there is a _Star Wars_ mod, likely different versions of Terrans, mostly, but also borrows from the _StarCraft_ lore mods in that some units just can’t sit still & therefore needs to continuously fly around & not hover in place & such…

[@jeancarlovillanueva3697]

why not bc and air protos will crush the other

[@DevilWearsAdidas]

put them both against clem and see what a difference it makes.

[@Coco._.lin5]

If they add the heroes from starcraft for protoss, terran and zerg, the heroes of WC3 will be over:)))

[@geng-ku4pk]

I love orc

[@bacontv9423]

gow o i get this mode

[@DavidPokemonPokemon-hd4yb]

Gaaaaaa 🎉 WARCRAFT 3 🎉 jejeje es poderoso 💪

[@asyrafilanuar4972]

I think WC3 hero units cannot be in the game. They are just so cost efficient. Heroes cannot be in the mod since WC3 factions also don't have supply upkeeps.

[@DanyBychkov]

War craft 3 units un balanced

[@junjun906]

Footman > marine.

[@ElleixGaming]

Swords and Magic beats Marines any day (Proof in the video lmao)

[@Codigo-wp2ki]

Definitivamente es mejor STARCRAFT 1 VS STARCRAFT 2 VS WARCRAFT 3 (SOLO FALTA AGE OF MITOLOGY)

[@vittorioscopelli7185]

better than Stormgate

[@drewpaiva93]

those starcraft 2 players are such newbies...

[@Knuckles2761]

True, true. Feels like wc3 guys wouldn't have a chance against something as simple as 10 tanks.

[@doubleddav]

I've seen a few maches for this mod, they're all so dumb. Don't know why WC races are so buffed? Obviously if this were sort of accurate WC would get destroyed, but they could think of clever ways of making it balanced rather than WC units just having insane stats. Just give the WC races a Hybrid skin and then it'll make sense

[@mvd4749]

Widow mines are too powerful, against largely melee units that bunch up. I love this mod.

[@mautrix8762]

Funny how „this Warcraft“ still looks better than Reforged 😅 Kinda sad…

[@cliphaithayba]

Warcraft units much stronger than Starcraft's

[@MasoudSf01]

Terran was so nub

[@rayymondmorgan1697]

Learn a bit about WC3 before casting

[@rishikeshvas]

The WC3 factions seem too strong. Of the games i watched, the SC2 factions always lose.

[@ElleixGaming]

I’m trying to get some more diversity, AnyOne (one of the players in this game) just sent me a whole pack of replays so we’ll see how those go!

[@rishikeshvas]

@@ElleixGaming ooh. Make sense. Love the videos man

[@cathulionetharn5139]

wintersc casted some more, and it feels like a good'ol stim marine ball still counters anything that doesn't have aoe. And even then frost wyrms can be brought down with enough of them Looks like wc3 player needs to rely on early hero harass and prevent the sc2 player from macro-ing, also get exp for heroes, which seems extremely scarce

[@amir.r1639]

Sc2 is more op They just dont know what to do against the wc3 I played this mod like 20 hours and zerg is best race to destroy them because it can take 5 base while wc3 races have only 2 or 3 And ultra is just too op for them Lurkers is best option for early game because they have less detector than sc2 And swarm can put them into base for some time And if you have decent mineral and larva you can just spam zerglin and bailing No need for air just rush ground units they become overwhelmed do easily and infester can just reduce air damage by 60 percentage Wc3 isn't op unless they reach equal resources and supply

[@Okamikirby]

Watch harstem play this, good players instantly find the WC3 race weaknesses and exploit them. Theyre not OP, if anything they are easily cheesable.

[@zhd7281]

heroes need nerf definitely. They may be more tanky than regular unit so that they won't be sniped and able to gain xp, but more damage makes them broken. they could be strong in late game but the early game strength should be limited

[@Okamikirby]

No they should be strong, It is what differentiates them from the SC races in a major way. WC3 has heroes, but SC2 has larger build diversity, better macro mechanics, and better deathball units. Warcraft 3 units arent designed for deathball battles, and only the heroes are capable of turning those kinds of fights.