Intel N100 Emulation Testing [Batocera v38]

[@NexusFantismo]

It's amazing how far integrated graphics has come where even the lowest level intel chip (or thereabouts) can run PS2 games at 2X resolution.

[@koffing2073]

thats only because they need to decode 4k video smoothly

[@anno5936]

That's less on the graphics; all these lowest level chips needed was the AVX2 instruction set

[@azurekite3870]

but the thing found out is you to use the nightyly version of the ps2 emulator on pc to use vulken.

[@JgHaverty]

My 4 year old phone can run PS2 on 4x with most games lol. 😅

[@staticshocker69]

If you think about it it's less impressive than a Pentium 4 being able to run the original DooM. These are 20 year old games. When doom was only 6-8 years old when Pentium 4 came out.

[@arcaderacer586]

N100 is proving to be a champ,especially in that $100-$150 range.

[@azurekite3870]

and it's great for ps2 emulation

[@anno5936]

Nice compilation; just ordered one N100 yesterday, time to dust of the Batocera hard drive

[@the5gen]

PS2 and Gamecube run nicely on this (was looking to move on from my old Pi2 emulator), N100 looks the goods.

[@johnboydojo]

Yeah not bad at all! Odd seeing Crazy Taxi without hearing Offspring or Bad Religion but I guess that's down to you not wanting a copyright claim! You're really digging these little PC's aren't you? Not bad considering the price 👍

[@little_shady_fox]

I'll be getting a mini-itx board with n100. Tiny fella performs really well

[@Mclaneinc]

Nice vid Tim, couple of questions if I may...is there any performance reasons to use Batocera, I'm using Windows based emulators and getting a solid FPS on almost everything, even in 2,3 or 4x res. Also, the little K1 I got is amazing (thank you for the recommendation, VERY appreciated) and I've left it on the 35W setting, but if I wanted to heatsink it, are there dedicated heatsinks for these things or is it a case of crafting it yourself....Cheers mate...That N100 stunned me of how much it ran ...Nice price too...

[@TeamPandory]

The reason why I'd ever use batocera is to keep the windows and games systems separate. There may be less overhead lowering latency in a Linux based system, but when it comes to the heavier to emulate systems, Windows is preferred. Things like Teknoparrot work great. One more thing is emulation station as a front end to go in and out of games. But this can also be achieved with retrobat in windows. Nice to hear you're having fun with the K1. I'd say it'd be a new case / DIY thing for the case rather than a simple heatsink / swap. It may benefit from placing a heatsink on the nvme tho. One more thing to add - use of super resolution should help lower the temps if you're concerned.

[@TheFrenchy82]

Impressive ... but sometimes I can see tearing (PS2 gradius) ... no V sync possible on this small machine ???

[@TeamPandory]

Oh there is, but I probably didn't click it ... My bad 😞- Could also have been my capture card.

[@johnhanes3450]

What is v sync ?

[@0levelup0]

Если уж показываешь Wii U, то можно было бы и "Breath of the Wild" показать. А так круто для такого маленького процессора.

[@chadbrick67]

It doesn't run on this n100

[@0levelup0]

@@chadbrick67 alright then.

[@azurekite3870]

in order to play burnout 3 well is with the nightly version of the ps2 emulator and is how you can use the vulken.

[@MrFreedownloadgames]

Somebody, make a handheld with these specs (similar to steam deck but much cheaper)

[@zenothkun]

Damn, it can run GT4 flawlessly while my Ryzen 3 3250U struggle to get solid 60FPS. I might buy this one mini PC for my TV later.

[@TeamPandory]

The n100 seems to be better than the 3250u, but it's still a very low power CPU. The 5700u and then 5800h Ryzen chips are also worth considering.

[@glowhdvideos1004]

For wii emulation did you use wii mote or GameCube controls for Metroid?

[@kosasigwalo1895]

I wish you tried tekken tag 2 on cemu to see if n100 can pull it off. I'm planning to buy an n100 mini pc so could you please include tekken tag 2 in your test videos, thanks a bunch

[@TeamPandory]

Tekken tag tournament 2 needs a LOT of space and is a bit heavy on this chipset unfortunately... Will keep it in mind for the next sets of video so you have more an idea how they perform. Tekken tag 2 on wiiu seems to get overlooked. It's quite an interesting release tbh

[@kosasigwalo1895]

@@TeamPandory thanks for the heads up. guess I'll have to reconsider :) subbed

[@albertomendez7063]

Would it have the same performance if it's split screen? Like in Mario Kart games?

[@GirlOnAQuest]

It does. The game cleverly utilizes resources differently on split mode

[@SonuMobileA72]

😊

[@nathanddrews]

Other than the frame rate slowdown with Wii U, everything else looked like it ran smoothly, but there was a lot of screen tearing. Is that from your image capture or something?

[@TeamPandory]

Basically vsync was off to show what FPS it was capable of. Obviously you'd turn that on when playing with these classic systems.

[@rodolfus37]

How can you play on gamecube?the sound crakles on my n100 nuc (chuwi larkbox). Is there a specific configuration ?

[@chadbrick67]

Yes you need the shinto gate plugin

[@srvuk]

Very nice.

[@gridview]

Have u tried running rpcs3 tekken tag 2?

[@TeamPandory]

The n100 is far too weak for PS3 emulation, unfortunately.

[@bgates275]

@@TeamPandory Did you try it? Wii U is more powerful than PS3.

[@TeamPandory]

@@bgates275 but far more difficult to relate. I've tried ps3 on the newer and far quicker CPUs like the intel i5-12450h, and they're not strong enough

[@toutloffc1]

Mine doesn't perform this well. What are ur pcsx2 settings?

[@TeamPandory]

@@toutloffc1 what computer are you using, and which games? There are so many factors that could be slowing it down. Tbh I keep it on opengl for most the time, and for the n100 around a 1.25x or 1.5x resolution is good. Any more will slow games such as gran turismo 4. We made a batocera PS2 settings guide in another video, but it will depend on the game you play.

[@parsec5366]

Wow, in any case did the user reach more than 8 GB?

[@Flyingboots1]

What's the bottleneck for Cemu?

[@StriderVM]

Processor most likely, Cemu isn't that hectic on GPU, The N100 is 4 cores 4 threads. In order to have really good performance for PS3/Wii-U performance you need at least by minimum 6 core, 6 threads, the more the better up to a point. Get a cheap Ryzen like a 4500U for better performance.

[@Flyingboots1]

@@StriderVM Glad I waited a few months, managed to get a mini PC with a 6800H Ryzen 7 for $329. That will be my dedicated emulation box so I can finally pack away all of my other systems.

[@StriderVM]

@@Flyingboots1 Oh that's basically a top tier Mini PC / Laptop setup thats more than enough for Batocera. Congrats. =)

[@Flyingboots1]

@@StriderVM thank you very much, it's insane how far technology has come. That 6800H is faster than my Ryzen 1600X in my main computer lmao! My GTX 1070 still beats the iGPU in the 6800H though lol.

[@StriderVM]

@@Flyingboots1 Yeah the Rx680M (iGPU of the 6800H) is closer to the RX470. Which is actually faster than the GTX1050. If you out the fastest DDR5 RAM on it. While the processor is almost faster than the Ryzen 5700x!

[@jierenzheng7670]

Can I ask if I emulated 3DS and WiiU with a secondary screen, how would the performance be like?

[@TeamPandory]

It'd be slightly worse. TBH 3DS I think will be okay, but WiiU is already capping out the CPU as is.

[@jierenzheng7670]

@@TeamPandory Thanks!

[@thaigamecenter1530]

For this model use Vulkan better than opengl for play ps2 games?

[@TeamPandory]

Vulkan usually performs faster than opengl. There may be times when Vulkan gives screen corruption and will need to change back to OpenGL though, depends on the game and emulator.

[@DD-sh3br]

wow

[@joshCalago]

What PCSX2 version are you using?

[@TeamPandory]

It's PCSX2 v1.7.4857, stock for Batocera v38

[@vickslab4608]

Can it run xemu? og xbox.

[@TeamPandory]

It can. Only tried halo on it though. Check later on in this video here kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpmxqn-sacd7mqs

[@kusanag1820]

can you test rcps3 next?

[@TeamPandory]

Sorry to say that RCPS3 won't work well at all on this chipset.

[@shagstars]

It probbably can do cemu and yuzu if you can find yuzu at least

[@TeamPandory]

But neither will run particularly well

[@radry100]

can it do 4k?

[@jonatan_1991]

How about rpcs3, yuzu, Xenia and fpps4?

[@TeamPandory]

Too demanding for this chip... I haven't even heard about fpps4, news for me 🙂

[@jonatan_1991]

@@TeamPandory it’s a ps4 emulator. :)

[@MskMassaki]

can ot run nds games?

[@TeamPandory]

Yes

[@sergkyman9066]

Gameloop pubg cod mobile?

[@carlosplacido3359]

How can I play Dreamcast ?;Shenmue I've all bios installed but always ask me for the bios The system has missing bios ...... Do you want to launch it anyway ?

[@quadvar6852]

Hello nice job !! did you make the ISO file would you be willing to share it, I would like to try it on my larkbox x 2023

[@GaryLiddington]

Real shame it tops out on Wii and can't muster up the speed on the WII-U, otherwise it's quite tempting

[@airmicrobe]

Batocera can lock you out of the window 10 . It can load windows installed hard disk freely and you need yr own risk if you use this n100 as multiple purposes.

[@TeamPandory]

If you install batocera to a usb stick or usb drive, there is no risk. Remove the drive and you'll be back in Windows

[@airmicrobe]

@@TeamPandory v38 version maybe fine but I did it on USB with an older version. It has an access to the files with the browser tool internally, and I couldn't log in with my account to windows 10. It.may be better to back up your files of working to safe places before try this. Quad core system only had the problem. I tried to many systems. Just one PC had the issue. So be careful

[@Supainjink]

Mario Kart 8 is running at 30~fps on my n100/Batocera, what am I doing wrong?

[@TeamPandory]

It probably needs those shaders compiling. If you're using slower storage (not nvme) it may drag the game to a crawl. Try going round and then restart the race. Does that speed it up? Not ideal I know, but once the shaders have been compiled once it won't need to do it again.

[@Supainjink]

@@TeamPandory No it's not that, I've running around the first circuit forever and it's always 40fps tops, except in the menus and pause.

[@Supainjink]

@@dualpapayas 8GB 2660mhz DDR4, and I'm running native resolution. My machine is a Firebat AK2 Plus

[@Supainjink]

Solved it. It was capped at 10W in the BIOS, changed it to 15W and now it's 60FPS.