Tech Throwback: The Untapped Potential of PS3's CELL CPU And How Naughty Dog Mastered It

[@RideToHellRetribution]

Some say the ps3s full potential still hasn't been reached

[@EchoWinters]

I’ve heard that the CPU (not the GPU) is more powerful than ps4

[@OliverY1992]

@@EchoWinters When measuring by raw processing power yes it technically is, but most developers (third parties most indefinitely) did not utilize it's full potential due to its architectural complexity and having to be optimized for the 360's CPU. So you could argue that in some respects it's irrelevant to be fair, but the low power CPU's in the PS4 and Xbox One is unfortunately the reason for these frame rate issues in this gen. The Last of Us I would agree to have used it's full potential (or very much near) for the resources it had. More RAM and a beefier GPU with the CPU would have helped, but costs always come into the equation. Since Sony (as are MS) are going for beefier AMD CPU's next gen, they will easily undoubtedly trounce the PS3's CPU.

[@kusumayogi7956]

cell processor has 230 gflops theotrical performance and in 2006 it equal with high end gpu. also this cpu can act like gpu and handle graphics. if you compare even with modern i7 cpu is very rare to have above 200gflops theotrical performance and cant handle graphics without iGpu. but of course that is only theotrical performance, in actual benchmark core i7 and ryzen destroy cell in its function as cpu calculation. and for graphics calculation is better and easier to use GPU today.

[@OliverY1992]

@@kusumayogi7956 It can be used for GPU functions yes, but its own it's actually very weak. This was an issue found during its development, as originally the PS3 was never to have a GPU. But this proved to be a major issue, and so partnered with nVidia. Unfortunately the RSX (PS3's GPU), was a big disappointment for devs I'm guessing because they had to rush it in and because they curbed its performance. Apparently because they wanted the devs to focus more on the Cell than the GPU for graphics. uk.ign.com/articles/2013/10/08/playstation-3-was-delayed-originally-planned-for-2005 “For a while, [PS3 had] no GPU, it was going to run everything with SPUs. The ICE team proved to Japan that it was just impossible. It would be ridiculous. Performance-wise, it would be a disaster. That’s why they finally added the GPU, closer to the end.”

[@kusumayogi7956]

@@OliverY1992 yess that i mean theotrical performance, not in actual. it is so difficult to program

[@princegroove]

The PlayStation 3 launch day model is the ultimate entertainment device. It’s a shame that most multi-plats look severely downgraded on the PS3. Nonetheless, its gorgeous exclusives totally make it worth owning today.

[@itza8334]

A real shame 😔 i actually never played RDR1 other than on a PS3 and just last week i found out that it wasn't even on 720P it was i think 640P while the XBOX360 was 720p. It's mostly the Lazy Devs who where at fault tho.

[@RobertK1993]

People didn’t want to pay $599

[@RobertK1993]

@@itza8334 Yes sadly

[@goddess_hylia_]

Heavy Rain probably used about 80 percent utilization on the cell

[@sig861]

I think it's a shame that after ten years the system and tech gets forgotten moor or less companies should offer a free download of a os that means the tech can carry on in some way . For example the PS3 could be still be used as a blue ray player or make it easier to turn it in to a streaming system for movies and music . Stop all the e waste

[@agnel47]

this

[@Margen67]

That's what modding is for :^)

[@dutchmzfk8639]

You can still use it for Spotify, Netflix, and KZbin etc.

[@lilg8017]

Lol. Generally speaking, technology has limited relevance and is deemed disposable to make room for it's successors. Marketing, of course, has the biggest influence on this cycle.

[@kvltizt]

Mods, man.

[@heisenberg3024]

Naughty Dog is one of the best companies in the business. They are a rare breed

[@nafisishtiaque]

Heisenberg guriella games getting there too now

[@jafar4297]

Fallofduty yup agreed

[@2deep5u]

Not anymore.

[@sanktkaj1781]

They, however, didn't produce the best blue in the business

[@overwatch761]

Rare are better.

[@MrNightpwner]

No mgs4 mention? That game still looks insane. Killzone 2 as well

[@ImadHadjersi]

Only the OGs will remember MGS4

[@tilentgamer8758]

You mean Killzone 3 right

[@TrinidadJamesWoods]

MGS4 looks like it could be a PS4 title.

[@pejnismiggle]

@@TrinidadJamesWoods Ehhhhh idk about that. MGS4 definitely has some muddy textures. The game was phenomenal for 2008 standards, but we've come a long way since then. The only game that looks like it could be a PS4 game, and indeed did look better than some early title PS4 games, was God of War: Ascension.

[@m.y64]

Nfs mw 2012

[@duedah837]

Guerrilla games always impressed me more than naughty dog. Killzone 2 still looks incredible, and does a lot more with physics and hit reactions as well.

[@engineergaming2414]

Well what do you mean by incredible

[@LEBESTOF03m]

@@engineergaming2414 amazing

[@ghostofmoredishesmorebitch1507]

@@engineergaming2414look It up, the level of detail and physics are still better than most modern shooters

[@taytzuleong5584]

If only both ps3 and the 360 had more memory back then.....

[@morganwhaley9119]

They had a lot of memory for when they came out (for consoles anyway). The Xbox 360 was originally going to have just 256 MB of memory, but the developers of Gears of War convinced Microsoft to double it. The Xbox 360 had 8 times the memory of the original Xbox even though it was released just 4 years later.

[@OliverY1992]

...and Sony opted for unified memory design like MS did. It would have helped developers a lot more if both Sony and MS opted for a total of 1GB unified GDDR3 RAM, but the extra cost would have slowed sales much more. Possibly even killed Sony? Especially with how awfully expensive the console was already at launch. But you have to remember that for consumers then, having 512MB RAM in a computer was pretty much the norm, with the gradual step up to 1GB RAM later.

[@audiofella5066]

dude my 06' mac pro was released three months before the PS3 and came stock with only 1gb back then and it was $2600

[@123doomdoom]

THey had a weaker CPU and more focus was on GPU, hence the frame issues in most games, more so on the PS3.

[@blankname8553]

@@audiofella5066 That's a terrible comparison since Apple overcharges for everything. 2005 RAM prices were ~$76 USD per 1GB.

[@TylerMBuller12]

There is nothing that comes close to the last of us visually on PS3 and 360. You can tell they used every little tiny bit of its power to its fullest abilities. Looks better then a lot of games on even current gen. Uncharted 4 raised the bar for this generation though. Naughty dog is a master of optimization. I'm sure they will raise the bar even higher with the last of us 2.

[@jafar4297]

TylerMBuller12 absolutely FACTUAL!!! ☺

[@pattiecake0128]

TylerMBuller12 I agree, but not to be that guy, it was only for the Playstation, not 360.

[@lordramsaybolton9815]

TylerMBuller12 beyond 2 souls looked better than last of us but both were vary impressive

[@Alex-mx3gs]

The last of us was not on 360

[@SoulLessSage96]

@@pattiecake0128 pretty sure he just ment nothing else on the consoles looked as good as TLOU did on PS3 not that it was on 360 itself

[@fabithierry]

Only Naughty Dog games? There are a lot of games that still looking amazing to this days. Some examples: MGS4 and 5, God of War 3 & Ascension, Tomb Raider, Heavy Rain, Killzone 2&3, call of duty black ops, The evil Within, Resident evil 6, GTA IV & V

[@Sudipal_Dallacort]

Про the Evil within лишнее(глазааааааа)

[@BrianKeeganMusic]

The PS3 is an engineering masterpiece.

[@kvltizt]

The RSX is kinda shitty tbh. Insufficient RAM and the heat spreaders are asinine. Also, I understand the lead free solder but it obviously wasn't handled too well. I'd also argue that an external PSU would have benefited the fats especially.

[@kewlken5129]

RS4 B5__No, the XBOX 360 is not x86 based. It contains PowerPC architecture, as does the the PS3’s CELL (with its core “Power Processing Element”).

[@blakryptonite1]

Which is why it didn't sell to the masses. It really is a piece of art, but the masses don't know how to appreciate it. That low demand at launch trickled up to publishers wanting to opt for xbox 360 development as primary and then porting to ps4. It's just like how the masses can't appreciate Mozart, but Lil Wayne can cater to them. This is why you see more rappers taking over the music scene.

[@FraserSouris]

@@blakryptonite1 what's there to appreciate when your multiplat games ran worse?

[@blakryptonite1]

@@FraserSouris that's not true. most of the games were developed for xbox 360 first but publishers didn't want to spend time/money to properly port them over for ps3. if the games were developed for ps3 ground up, they would look a lot better than xbox 360. again, the main reason why they were developed for 360 first was because 360 is where the masses went because of launch price. $600 is insane for a launch price, considering MOST of the sales go to Christmas holiday gifts for kids 12-18. Launch Price is inversely proportional to volume sales of consoles. Volume sales of consoles is directly proportional to publishers making games for that system first.

[@rockyramsy]

Whilst I agree with most of the stuff said in the video, I think God of War 3 and God of War ascension were a lot more impressive than naughty dog games in terms of visuals and performance.

[@87donofrio]

That games were targeting 60fps while ND games were locked to 30fps

[@rockyramsy]

@@87donofrio Well they weren't running at constant 60fps though but yeah the frame rate was a lot better. Also the graphics were a lot better in GoW 3 and GoWA than in all ND games.

[@friedrichii.aliasdergroe9233]

@@87donofrio They ran at best 45 FPS.

[@bichdao1808]

totally agree , when i first get a tlou remastered , it looked kinda "not so good" for my standard but god of war 3 still great and espcially ascension look like it was made in 2016 .

[@BOXING_LOUNGE]

@@friedrichii.aliasdergroe9233 Not with an SSD

[@mikerwolski]

6:32 meant to say coding for ps4, not ps3. Great video in understanding the differences between the console of last gen and why everyone said ps3 was hard to develop for.

[@oceanvaldez5983]

I'm not gonna lie but a part of me does still wish that the 7th gen consoles were still a thing. I got my ps3 on 2010 and played it until 2016 or 2015 when fallout 4 & dying light come out I HAD to buy a ps4. I had over hundreds of ps3 games that I played on, I still reflect on days when I played MAG or Dust514... so now I play planetside 2 to fill that void but it's not the same. I would play skyrim alot but it ran like ass and would eventually become unplayable because of the save files getting to big for the game to load. PlayStation home was a waste of time but at the time it was perfect to just walk around and take pictures. I legit have pictures of when I first started and when they shut the servers down, pretty crazy stuff. Oh and I still have my ps3, it still works fine.

[@voltdegameryt]

Heck ya I remember dust 514 but now they shut down servers which sucks. It was like the best free game on ps3 but unfortunately they didn’t revive the game instead the devs just made some crappy eve online rpg game. Wish they brought it back to ps3 or even give support for Next gen

[@cakestalker]

Good video on the subject of the Cell CPU.. although I was a bit confused at first when you incorrectly said PS3 instead of PS4 at around 6:30 "Their shared x86 archicture made coding for the PS3 a much easier task".

[@WiltedRaven2]

They should have made a gen 2 of this processor and kept improving on it no matter how hard it was to use. Its a power house and could have revolutionized processors and gaming for the better if people took the time to learn how to utilize it. ITS SUCH A SHAME. Respect to naughty dog for sticking to it and figuring out how use it to its full potential. Naughty dog proved how powerfull it truly was. Now I want to see what could they do with a gen two of this in 2022 if they released a new version of the cell.

[@nunosa528]

The CELL was great but had a huge bottleneck from the RAM and the GPU, preventing the console to achieve even greater graphics

[@WiltedRaven2]

@@nunosa528 exactly wich is why a gen 2 with more ram would kill any pc today! They need to make one but sadly wont cuz developers complain.

[@BlueGreyWolf]

Not only would it be used to its' fullest potential, but it could mean Backwards Compatibility for Ps3 games to run on another gen if they did that! Now THAT would be amazing!

[@WiltedRaven2]

@@BlueGreyWolf for sure would be awesome

[@thecedex]

The Cell (and to a certain extend the Emotion Engine) basically pisses off a lot of developers. Sony did the right move with the PS4's architecture by actually getting developer feedback instead of deliberately making something that is hard to develop for.

[@badGamr]

@ 06:33 You said PS3 instead of PS4. Great video :)

[@cakestalker]

Yeah, I also noticed that :)

[@computerguy222]

Rockstar did an amazing job at pushing the ps3 to its limits

[@bigsmoke6488]

computerguy222 lol

[@agnel47]

RDR 4 life.

[@fredericchopin3628]

ComputerGuy Pic.Lol

[@Науэль2002]

@StarMAN Name of the mod please?

[@Науэль2002]

@StarMAN i already have a jailbroken ps3. But i don't find such mod like that on ps3

[@miguelpereira9859]

The 8th generation has been an absolute joke. A lot of 7th gen games running at a good resolution and with a texture pack look like a current gen title. Just look at Crysis gameplay with texture packs here on KZbin

[@RAKUNTU]

I agreed complete 100%

[@galaxymaster]

Still crazy that the PS3 has a better CPU than the PS4.

[@87donofrio]

but the ram and the outdated gpu are the problem

[@UltimateAlgorithm]

Which does not mean anything without development ecosystem and developer support. This phenomenon also happen on Intel Itanium architecture.

[@theroyalaustralian]

The PowerPC die package in the PS3 Cell Broadband Engine is actually a dual core at 3.2ghz max.

[@DigitalJedi]

IIRC Sony also disabled one of the SPEs for higher yields, so while still a "9-core" it would be 2+7.

[@theroyalaustralian]

@@DigitalJedi Thats right, it is a 2+7, but the main PowerPC chip on the substraight was not half-disabled.

[@awheaten]

In retrospect Sony is doing the same thing with the GPU as they did with the Cell. The make of the GPU is a smarter design. But Sony always want to give the playstation a hidden gem towards the end of the life cycle of their console so that devs can tap into the fullest potential of their system. But this time Sony is doing it a lot smarter. I am referring to that Rapid Math thing in Sony's GPU.

[@BenchARTVideos]

Rapid Math is only available on the PS4 PRO, and also, it is a feature that have been released with AMD Vega GPUs, but Sony had to hability to launch that feature before on the PS4 PRO. It's not going to make a groundbreaking improvement, but surely it will grant some extra frames, if the game makes good use of the FP16 precsion AKA Rapid Math

[@whitenoiserevived6575]

The cell processor is still mind boggling I really wish I could understand it better

[@kusumayogi7956]

cell processor has 230 gflops theotrical performance and in 2006 it equal with high end gpu. also this cpu can act like gpu and handle graphics. if you compare even with modern i7 cpu is very rare to have above 200gflops theotrical performance and cant handle graphics without iGpu. but of course that is only theotrical performance, in actual benchmark core i7 and ryzen destroy cell in its function as cpu calculation. and for graphics calculation is better and easier to use GPU today.

[@agrant4701]

Look how well LOU 1 holds up to PS5! It's crazy.

[@goldensperm7182]

Wow idk why im here cus i don't understand anything about tech lol

[@davydluan5]

lol

[@24jithu24]

Homeless Emperor xD

[@GeorgeG90]

Nowadays graphics reach their limit. Even people that create indie titles have a massive improvement in graphics quality. The only TRUE reason we need powerful pc/consoles are for the purposes of fully open world games to reach current quality squeezing hardware. So, over the years the biggest benefit in visuals are open world games. Now we can have ghost recon wildlands and forza horizon 3 with graphics as good as any other AAA title..

[@frankynakamoto2308]

If they can do the PS3 CPU smaller and have it built with far more ram, with one more core in it, it would use less energy, would be more powerful and with more Ram and more Cache it would play all the PS3 games even better, they would only need to integrate enough memory to have the PS3 OS built in it and directly working the OS from one specific core and with the PS2 OS integrated as well

[@thearmyofiron]

Fernando Salazar more core doesn't mean more efficient if you aren't using the core though

[@frankynakamoto2308]

Flaze07 It does on PS3 because most games only used 6 cores and the OS used 1 core, some games bottleneck the cores and also ram was bottleneck in games like Battlefield4 and some other games, so yea it would improve the performance on a New PS3 machine

[@thearmyofiron]

Fernando Salazar wow, real game dev sure knows how to multi-threading and I am here (edit "I am here" to "here I am") , understand nothing about multi-threading

[@indexMemories]

DICE used SPEs for lighting and some tech too, yet games still run at 30 fps. Guess that single core can't handle 32 players.

[@lukascrable3021]

Impresseive in my opinion. The Next Gen Consoles nowadys are not even close to beat the best Gaming Pcs at Release (PS5 11 Tflops vs RTX 3090 37 TFlops). This Chip was ahead of its time and capable of beating everything on the market, feels bad that this special approach failed.

[@engineergaming2414]

PS4 should have delayed at least a few more years so we could get ready high res high poly PS3 games

[@nunosa528]

PS3 had high resolution textures on Uncharted 3 (the only game pushing the textures to a very high quality). The Last of Us has worse textures compared to Uncharted 3 but much better character models

[@gergelypoloskei2093]

all these you tubers just get information from the net chuck it on a video and hey look at me i’m a ps3 expert. the REAL reason the ps3 has problems was twofold 1. the industry has a real shortage of assembler programmers. the ps3 just like the ps2 required c code with inline assembler for managing your spu subroutines. there are less and less people learning assembler because it’s difficult not the ps3 s fault it’s a logistics issue. 2. the ps3s documentation also stated the best approach to design which many devs simply ignored until it was too late. the gpu was never meant to handle buffer effects or even transform and lighting. it was only supposed to provide geometry. with the gpu doing geometry only you can push it for max polygons. while your custom programs ran in the cell for lighting particles depth effects particles ray tracing( yes ray tracing) and what ever else you wanted. it was hugely customizable. the PPC core would then only do game logic and feeding. again only the competent devs did it this way. real shame actually

[@mutalix]

You've got a good grasp of it, are you a programmer?

[@voicelag]

Some ps3 games till hope up today. Eg batman arkham games still look really good and are still playable in 2020. Still a great console with a massive library and still worth a buy if on a budget

[@kyleedwards6026]

BLOW YOUR NOSE PLEASE

[@bradenmorrison9834]

Imagine if they paired the cell with modern gpu's and ram...

[@outlander234]

Thats what I was thinking... and imagine if they could have pulled of 32 SPUs Cell too...

[@reniferZiolo]

@@outlander234 that would be sick,only if dev teams were eager to learn something new and program for it

[@vergil1155]

@@outlander234 and make it easier to program or develop programs that do the same and ease load on devs.

[@SpeedyKhaledGD]

We would have gotten the REAL PS5

[@aimanrulez7339]

Would be a waste. We have modern cpu's that destroy the cell now.

[@davydluan5]

6:32 You said PS3 instead of PS4*.

[@SalveMonesvol]

I wish Sony had done 3 things differently: CPU: Two main cores plus 2 spe's for each, instead of 1 main core and 7spe's. Theoretical performance would be 10% lower, but every game would have ran better. GPU: use a 300gflops 8800gs or an AMD gpu 1 gen newer than the one in the 360 Memory: go for 384MB vram instead of 256 If this affected price by $50, it would have been totally worth it in the long run.

[@audioamateur]

Thing is, the PS3 was already 600 bucks back in 2006... That's like 750 bucks in today's money

[@SalveMonesvol]

@@audioamateur Yeah, it was already super expensive, for nothing. I had ps1 and Ps2, but skipped the Ps3. You could get better gaming performance in 2007 with 384MB ram (unlikely to find one so small), a 384MB 8800 gts, and a 3ghz core 2 duo CPU, all for less money

[@Neilos-sd6ti]

I love how gaming bolt always has to mention metal gear solid in their videos.

[@Scoopta]

What I find odd about skyrim on the PS3 is I've heard oblivion was actually quite good...I'm sure it probably has to do more with oblivion being so much less demanding that they could afford to ignore the SPUs far more than with skyrim but that's just a theory.

[@aryinc]

most ps3 ports just ran on 1 core. because they didn't get the processor. something like that.

[@tipoomaster]

6:02, 500USD = 549CAD, oh god I wish it was that close again in time for the next gen lol.

[@tipoomaster]

Narrator: It was not

[@rjnash2610]

Sony: "It was deliberate" - Yeah yeah BULLSHIT! You got lucky devs didn't give up, instead they got smart and as a result, our lovely PS3 didn't crash and burn - Nuff said!

[@mikejones3863]

RJ Nash it's true it was deliberate that the ps3 was difficult to develop for so that games won't be ported to other consoles as easily or not at all, It worked great for them during the ps1/ps2 era most games on ps1/ps2 stayed exclusive because the architecture of those systems were difficult.

[@agnel47]

Sony is telling the truth. They invested a billion dollars in R and D for the Cell developed by IBM. During the development of Cell, IBM was contacted by Microsoft to make a CPU for their upcoming project Xenon(x360). The engineers at IBM decided to use the lessons learned during Cell's R&D to develop the triple core CPU for X360. Both are basically IBM powerPC in radically different configurations. All in all Microsoft also benefitted a little from Sony's investment in the Cell.

[@ridwankhan6777]

Actually the devs got excited about the hardware. Especially when naughty dog explained how they were able to tap into the power which gave the other devs motivation to do better.

[@RobertK1993]

Cell = supercomputer Xenon tri core laptop laptop i5.

[@soulshinobi]

Didn't realize Dyn Asty Warriors was three words.

[@TheGuyInThe109F-1]

It's kinda sad hearing the fact that games on the ps3 isn't optimized enough to make the ps3 give it's maximum potential

[@you_commentbackyourmomahoe]

Not anymore ps3 overclock!

[@B.D.F.]

0:47 “Die-NASTY Warriors” Whoa, settle down on that pronunciation.

[@GeorgeG90]

The real question is..... why would we want even better graphics? Dont say 4k resolution as an excuse because it is clearly marketing. I m sure in the future u will say 8k resolution as an excuse as well. It is finally time to start aiming at something more interesting.... MAYBE cheaper VR? 399$ for best VR experience (aka sony cheapest) is still too much for most of us.

[@MgoMSx]

The ps3 need to be 1Gb of RAM at the time and a slightly better GPU.

[@dariosandoval3608]

GPU is completely fine, CPU is what matter the most. But well its clearly that needed unified RAM, if not 384MB for system

[@AllaroundVideogames]

@GamingBolt Can you make a video like this about the PS2?

[@RobertK1993]

Cell was way more powerful than the Xbox 369 Xenon CPU in fact Sony should have used it in the PS4.

[@ryans413]

I bet with a less demanding game the Cell could produce something extremely impressive. If you take a game like Last Of Us but shorten it to 5 hours just here me out have a very short game I bet the graphics could look much better that’s the power the cell has even if the console had more memory then you could build a bigger game with higher frame rates and textures using the Cell. Hell the Cell was so good it was being used as a super computer clustered with like a thousand PS3s.

[@fightfannerd2078]

Last of us still looks better then most ps4 games

[@JLMtime]

people have done test without ray tracing Its equal to 1080ti or RTX3060 with ray tracing

[@xMaFiaKinGz]

Source I smell alot of bs here

[@JLMtime]

@@xMaFiaKinGz check out "COD VANGARD 3060 vs xbox Series X"

[@xMaFiaKinGz]

@@JLMtime xbox X is pushing rtx 3060ti power yes but I thought you mean the ps3

[@JLMtime]

@@xMaFiaKinGz was the remaster not on PS5 & XBox sx I should hav gave contex sorry about that Part1 & 2 thing turned me off

[@Kujer708]

*That tree was from Uncharted 3*

[@loomman5296]

What tree?

[@guitarchords-n-more4338]

EASE/CONVENIENCE generally means, LAZY

[@BOXING_LOUNGE]

Please do a follow up on project rsx boost 🥊🥊🔥🙏

[@elmariachi5133]

Why do people buy overpriced mid class PCs in ugly cases with locked in firmware making them only play games instead of buying a real PC?

[@nunosa528]

For nowadays, I don't know, since the consoles come outdated at release. But back in 2005 and 2006, XBox 360 and PS3 were the most powerful gaming machines in the market, so they were worth something.

[@gnrtx-36969]

Maybe because they cost shi8 ton of money? Are you high of something

[@nafisishtiaque]

Naughty god

[@capster728]

Best all around console ever created, backward compatible with ps1 & ps2. Not up for debate. I gave up my PS4 to get a PC just so I could use the ps2 and PS3 emulator and play my favorite games and enhance them

[@redfoxbennaton]

Did Naughty Dog REALLY tap into the Cell CPU? Many places in The Last of Us or Uncharted 2 look absolutely lifeless and ran at 30 frames. I mean UC3 looks good BUT You have to take off your nostalgia Goggles. I think the best thing ND did was animate the characters really well.

[@nuyorican91st]

Fallout new vegas ps3-hold my frames

[@ChrisThePlayer777]

I still dont understand why people were so impressed by the Graphics of TLOU on PS3, the game looked graphically inferior to Uncharted 2 and 3 and it had very low resolution textures i need an explanation how that game looks any better than GOW3, Uncharted 2 and 3 or Killzone 2 and 3?

[@okeybuckeye524]

I bought 4 of them so they got me.

[@apshotsnep]

Imagine gta v with last of us details on PS3🤔

[@jaezone3400]

Honestly the first gen original Xbox was the last good system that Microsoft had. It technically blew the ps2 out of the water. But moving ahead; the ps3 in my opinion was so much more powerful than the Xbox 360. And giving the fact that the BC PS3’s still sell for wayyyyyy more than the Xbox 360 tells a lot!

[@HaloinfiniteEternal]

The Xbox 360 is the most advanced fully custom hardware based Console ever made for Xbox, and its Gpu performance has some significant advantages over the PS3 meanwhile the PS3 Cell CPU had some significant advantages over the Xbox 360 CPU. Both systems were the last fully custom hardware based systems, and it’s a shame now days we get semi custom off the shelf pc parts without the fully custom Console hardware of the past which made Consoles outperform even the most expensive Pc hardware for about 18 months after launch as Consoles used to be ahead of Pc when they launched and it’s all because they used to have fully custom hardware which was unavailable for Pc builders and that’s what made Consoles so special for longest time. PlayStation 3 / Xbox 360 were very balanced systems when compared to each other as their advantages evened out for sure which is why they both did some things better than the other, however both was excellent. PlayStation 3 struggled for a while though not because the hardware wasn’t awesome but cause it was hard for third party devs to learn how to properly develop on it to get proper performance out of the cell CPU so it took a few years before it started to have Performance parity with Xbox 360

[@paranoidgenius9164]

Gigahertz, not Gigahartz

[@zarmeza]

It's Gigachadz actually

[@paranoidgenius9164]

@@zarmeza not

[@ninjachrish]

This was a huge error made by Sony imo. So many great games for the ps3 were multi platform. They should have developed a more optimized architecture for developers and programmers to work with

[@GGoblin1]

Sony shot themselves in the foot many times over with the PS3. Exotic CPU design with poor documentation at launch so the devs had no idea how to take advantage of the SPUs (early PS3 games like Ridge Racer 7 did not even use the SPUs) Split memory design with only 256 mb VRAM Nvidia reportedly offered the then under development G92 Tesla chip to Sony for the RSX, but Sony decided to go with the older G70 Curie based chip to cut costs - this meant the RSX lacked unified shaders - something the Xenos chip of the 360 had

[@goldenpeepeepoopoo3196]

Hi gaming bolt :)

[@BillCipher1337]

funfact: The PPE in the PS3 is the same like the Xbox 360 CPU.

[@nunosa528]

XBox 360 PPU cores were improved versions of the CELL PPU core.

[@deemster4249]

And the Xbox 360 had three of those cores instead of one

[@entx8491]

The PS3 PPE is dual core not single core, good upload besides.

[@nunosa528]

is a single core with 2 threads and then 8 SPEs (6 for games, 1 for OS and 1 disabled)

[@madcat4563]

So help me out is the Cell a single core CPU with 8 threads? Or is it 8 virtual cores?

[@Ichigo-gp9vq]

The latter

[@0x1EGEN]

Virtual cores and threads are the same thing. The CELL architecture had 1 Power PC core and 8 specialized cores that could do heavy parallel computations. This is more or less the same to how a GPU is designed, where it has 1 (or more) command processor and a bunch of compute units.

[@jm036]

The PPE was absolute garbage though. It's identical to the PPC 970 that made Apple switch to Intel.

[@vincent.416]

Jak and Daxter 4 please!

[@Artrm]

Yeah TLOU definitely wouldn't have been possible on the 360.

[@nunosa528]

It would be possible but with slightly worse textures.

[@Artrm]

@@nunosa528 Not true. This isn't an issue with the ram.The xbox 360's cpu wouldn't have been able to handle the physics.

[@gnrtx-36969]

​@@nunosa528hell no lol it would struggle to even get 20fps

[@tactical_philanthropy]

It's more fun when consoles are a little more excentric. ...It's not fun for third party devs.

[@RobertK1993]

Will Sony ever make a Cell 2.0 for other devices.

[@sjagkid]

They have but it is used for very specialty things. You will probably never see it in a consumer product again

[@iamrlaxed]

Naughty Dog

[@sl9sl9]

Sorry but I call BS. Naughty Dog are claiming the Cell SPE's are what made the key difference in graphical fidelity between their early and late titles - this is false! They may have made a small difference sure, but the biggest factors are twofold: 1) Game engines and shader algorithms getting much more efficient in general, and better able to use multiple threads (the Cell's PPE has 2 threads so it behaves more like a dual-core CPU). 2) This is the biggest one of all: the development of texture streaming. As seen in CoD MW2 and many other games, this tech increased the level of detail in games FAR more than anything else, and it did so almost overnight. Games no longer needed to load the entire map and all textures into very limited memory, they could just stream in high res textures near the player and use low detail for everything else. Just look at CoD MW to MW2, Oblivion to Skyrim, Doom 3 to Rage, etc etc - all these enormous changes happened on the Xbox 360 and PC too and they didn't have any SPE's! That's why I call BS on what Naughty Dog are claiming about the PS3's processor - it's just marketing crap to promote their own games. Just look at the relatively small amount of bandwidth (around 20Gigabit/sec) available between the Cell and the RSX, most of which has to be used for other tasks, and ask yourself how much can the Cell ''help'' with graphics stuff really?

[@alexanderwingeskog758]

Well, look at some other "fixed" hardware stuff... Like the C64 (came out in 1982-83) and watch the history of games/demos and the latest demo's is mindblowing and could (or should) run on the same hardware that was off the shelf in 1982. And the C64 is by comparison 100 times easier to learn/program then a PS3. Programming techniques develop and knowledge of the hardware develops as the years pass. Updating hardware often leads to general solutions (programming wise), but fixed hardware leads to advancement in programming techniques. So the "little" bandwidth was used to more or less perfection.

[@indexMemories]

Relax dude, their team literally said they learned spes the hard way, aka assembly.

[@lind3905]

It was pretty good CPU'...!? 🤞✔💯

[@m.y64]

Everybody sayin xbox one x is the strongest console ever... Just say: _cell cpu_

[@knockbitzhd]

@Kleiner Helfer nah intel atom is clearly stronger, you pleb

[@DustinsCarFamily]

Rockstar Games, Naughty Dog and Electronic Arts are the 3 best on the Market. Even in 2020.

[@JoseMR2k11]

Nigga said "Die Nasty Warriors" lmfao im done

[@agnel47]

Santa Monica did it first.

[@omega2759]

Who's here before any dislikes?

[@thefinalroman]

Xbox 360 Cpu was better

[@carljohnson6128]

even today's mobile games look like garbage in front of Ps3 games

[@Knaeckebrotsaege]

Megahearts?! at least pronounce it properly smh

[@VGDocs]

"at a rather steady frame rate" I love researching the PS3 and Naughty Dog but... haha...haha...ha...ha, no.

[@oskarregnell1020]

First comment

[@dhiwantara8357]

ps3 can't play stable 30fps not like xbox360 but xbox360 can't play exclusive game like uncharted the last of us god of war beyond two souls etc

[@irrelevant9023]

"ps3 was difficult to work on" was a excuse to ignore the fact ps3 really sucks. Can barely maintain fps in comparison to 360

[@sebastiangonzales46]

PS3 sucks so bad that it outsold the 360 lmao

[@agrant4701]

@@sebastiangonzales46 which is impressive, considering everyone needed 2-4 360s because of RRoD and overheating.

[@nunosa528]

@iRrelevant you should try to program in a PS3 and then come back here and show your "magnificient" results since it's so easy to program as you say

[@gnrtx-36969]

More like you're ignoring the fact that you don't have father

[@B.D.F.]

The Xbox 360’s CPU essentially had 3 Big cores and 0 Little cores, while the PS3 CPU had 1 Big cores and 6 Little cores. If developers wrote for 360 first they usually only used the 1 Big core in the PS3 and ignored the 6 Little cores, but if they wrote for the PS3 first they usually took advantage of all the cores. Technically the CPU in the PS3 was powerful enough that a lot of games wouldn’t have needed the GPU.

[@1MuchButteR1]

Most overrated console ever by fanboys. Their mental state satisfies 22 fps gameplay.