Tech Thursday // Can-Am Maverick R - FIRST IMPRESSIONS!

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[@theglitch99]

One of my 1st thoughts seeing the new maverick R was what does shock therapy think!

[@ShockTherapyllc]

Love a lot about it. Have my own opinions about some of it. Visual being one but it’s a huge step up for our industry. Love that!🤘🏻🤜🏼

[@capnatewr6522]

@@ShockTherapyllcyeah I was taken back by the visuals, however the more I have seen this news suspension the more I like it. They said it can still run a 35 inch all terrain but I wonder about 35” rock and mud tires to me my only downside.

[@RecklessRippahs]

I gotta say the way Justin explains everything is fucking amazing. Dude has some serious knowledge and loves to dish it all out. Iv learned so much from these videos. Props to all you guys for being badass. 🤘🏼

[@ShockTherapyllc]

Thank you so much. Knowledge is power 🤘🏻

[@447Film]

I like the tech talk. Nobody else does it

[@ShockTherapyllc]

Thank you sir!👍🏼

[@allmotorhash]

Yup

[@Rocky-kv7dw]

Maverick R for dummies. I understood everything, great explanation I want one so bad. Thanks!!

[@ShockTherapyllc]

🤘🏻🤜🏼

[@bikinboyz95]

My guess is your test ride will confirm all the assumptions. This thing is a weapon. Hats off to can am… again.

[@rah121760]

Thank you for the deep dive into the suspension of the Maverick R. The more I learn about the car the more I appreciate the engineering in the car.

[@ShockTherapyllc]

🤘🏻🤜🏼

[@waldorfrc]

Best Maverick R video by far. I loved the break down of the role centers.

[@ShockTherapyllc]

👍🏼🤜🏼

[@ScaleRacingChannel]

I'm glad you mentioned the brakes. Seems like there hasn't been much attention paid to the brake upgrades.

[@brandonspragu4280]

Love these videos. Thanks for taking the time to explain all of this to us.

[@ShockTherapyllc]

🤘🏻🤜🏼

[@johnm7340]

Great review on a technical level - can't wait to hear your thoughts after having some time in a one! Thx for the continuing education and great products!

[@ShockTherapyllc]

🤘🏻🤜🏼

[@bash6519]

thanks so much for the video, found this after looking for answers for why my Maverick x3 xrs max is having bad drifting in the steering especially on pavement. Cant wait to see your follow up after you get to test the new R out.

[@Armstrong712]

Excellent, guys! Thank you 👍

[@northernidahooutdoors3748]

Although I’m not a fan of this design for the what I would use this machine for, I always enjoy watching Shock Therapy videos & Justin does an excellent job explaining the benefits of this setup!. Great video!

[@ShockTherapyllc]

Thank you sir!

[@wolfspeed9043]

Your giving us gold!!!! Appreciate the knowledge you share. I feel like I stepped out of a seminar.

[@ShockTherapyllc]

You are very kind. Glad we can help. 👍🏼

[@eamonshields2754]

Awesome stuff, learned a bit

[@danielstanfield7772]

Cant wait to know more about your new electronic sway bar links!!

[@robsteffey606]

First comment for the live feed. Too many consumers worry about looks over function. Tells a lot about many of the customers in this industry.

[@ShockTherapyllc]

First one! I agree but looks are important too. If you can combine both it’s always a home run.

[@robsteffey606]

I think it will grow on people once the platform becomes proven as to its capabilities. Never owned a can am but I’m intrigued that they stepped out of the box to advance the sport. Props to can am for that. I love all companies pushing tech and ability The tranny could be the biggest win. Epic in racing as to no longer worried about belt temps and such. More gears gives you mechanical advantage which will help with the added weight/strength. Racers will go through the tranny to prep for a race. Anxious to see the longevity/durability and service intervals for the tranny. But it could reall be a game changer.

[@thejourneyretold]

Awesome video guys!

[@williamlacina5042]

Great job cant wait to here ur feelings after u take it for a hard run

[@ShockTherapyllc]

We cannot wait as well!

[@ShockTherapyllc]

That makes three of us. Can’t wait to drive it.

[@williamlacina5042]

Wonder how long before the redesign hits the narrow cars like the x3 size

[@braidendespain28]

Would love to see a pro r vs maverick r breakdown like this with both in shop side by side. Break it down for us to see which is best.

[@ShockTherapyllc]

Need to get our hands on one first!

[@braidendespain28]

@@ShockTherapyllc for sure. I’m excited to see what you think after you drive it and I’m sure you’ll have some badass stuff to add.

[@seankelly9998]

Yes would like that also

[@williammenchen7562]

This is the best and only explanation of the new suspension! This is my 4th time! At my age you have to really rub it in! (PS) Tell Steve to just be Steve!

[@bradpowell843]

I really like it but think it would be so much more subtle and look so much better if the spindle and upper A-arm was black, especially on the black model.

[@Rocky-kv7dw]

Personally I like how it looks different from other utvs. If it works how they say it’s going to be great.

[@chrismiller4704]

Great video. Very informative. I want you guys to build my pair.

[@tman3831]

Great explanations. I do wonder how much of the benifit is canceled out by moving all that metal up possibly raising the center of gravity.

[@tessierrr]

very informative!

[@h2beezy2]

I was not prepared for this graduate level suspension class I need the basics lol

[@winstonsmith8898]

Good Show👍

[@fozzybear9114]

Most revolutionary machine in last 25 years. Its a machine ONLY brp could engineer!

[@danielstanfield7772]

I think polaris can claim that with the Pro r ...I mean a 4 cylinder 2000cc engine , and the new can am equalled the hype ...both of these new cars are unreal

[@jabroni6199]

Friendly request to get those miles on your test unit racked up as fast as possible to get that full review out 😊

[@Jesse-dt1pf]

I was waiting for this video so you guys could explain the praying mantis suspension setup

[@DoubleTap702]

When will you guys get your hands on a speed? Really interested to see your breakdown of the geometry. Also really interested to see the internals of those shocks

[@ShockTherapyllc]

When ever Robby has an extra one. Soon hopefully

[@ericlessard5021]

Thanks for this video. Would you rather have a car that have camber change but no track width change (krx) or a car that have no camber change but track width change (maverick r) through the suspension cycle?

[@ShockTherapyllc]

Personally I want camber curve and no track width scrub. I would even sacrifice some travel to get it. 👍🏼

[@kylecaskey1752]

Great video, it seems like before this you thought the KRX 1000 had possibly the best front suspension design. What are your thoughts now?

[@ShockTherapyllc]

The KRX has great suspension design. Need to get the Maverick R in our shop so we can measure and cycle to see for sure how it lays out.

[@claytonwade3176]

When you talk about the lower arm and vision. They bring the shock up to clear the axel so does even say 1 inch if that change that? In my head it doesn’t change much. I love everything about this car but the view point hasn’t changed much. After seeing one in person.

[@NeroontheGoon]

Love shack, really? Dear gawd man!

[@ShockTherapyllc]

😂😂

[@CrashitFPV]

Is the driving review of the maverick R coming soon ? Also did you guys ever get a chance to try the new Bilstein Blackhawk shocks on the X3 ?

[@ShockTherapyllc]

Yes just waiting fir our Mav R so we can do the drive show with a car there. Did drive Bilstein’s on the X3 but we did not have tools needed from them to take them apart and tune. Waiting to do that

[@duneme]

Oh, with My Bronco, driving in Automatic (like I usually do) I can still Shift Down with the Paddle Shifters (without putting it in Manual!) Is the Can-Am the same? Yea, I can see totally using this as I’m coming off a big dune! Of course just keeping my foot above the gas in case she starts to come around on me and I need to gas it!

[@nwhuckin7761]

Even though it’s pulling less on the upper an arm it doesn’t matter against the chassis because it’s higher up on the chassis. Think about it this way, if you were trying to flip the car over and you had a huge tube connected through the lower a arm connection and either the new or old upper a arm connection on the frame it would take the same amount of force at any distance on the tube from the lower connection point. Only difference is the stress it puts on the connections.

[@ShockTherapyllc]

I agree with your logic. But we had some engineers do the calcs and it does have less affect on body roll the higher you mount the arm even when calculating the fact it pulls less on the mount.

[@ericlessard5021]

I see it this way too... trying to understand how it affect the roll center while the arms are parallel... maybe they are not perfectly parralel so they can claim they have lower the roll center (marketing gimick)...

[@ShockTherapyllc]

@@ericlessard5021 your right in a lot of ways. Remember roll center can be a non issue when the arms droop past level. But the design is better no doubt

[@nwhuckin7761]

@@ShockTherapyllc I know they know more about it than me so proof is in the pudding!

[@ShockTherapyllc]

@@nwhuckin7761 that’s right. Let’s drive it hard and find out. 🤘🏻

[@Boost2311]

Surprised you haven't done a video like this for the speedutv and its suspension design

[@ShockTherapyllc]

Don’t have good pics or a unit to use yet. Robby said he would bring one by soon

[@robsteffey606]

It appears the shock is still at quite an angle. I understand it’s a packaging issue. How important is motion ratio? Always felt valving and spring rate should be able to offset the disadvantage. Would y’all explain why motion ratio is a concern?

[@ShockTherapyllc]

We played with the pics quite a bit and it looks like it’s just shy of 90 degrees at bump. The goal is 90 but close is good too. You can fix bad motion with spring and valving but only if it’s off just a little bit. More than that and you really sacrifice the shocks potential. The better the motion ratio the better the shock can work. The better everything is.

[@borrego9241]

One trade-off of the design appears to be a limit to tire diameter choices, though if the car could run on 35s that would satisfy all but the pro mud guys. Funny, these suspension design concepts were all more cleverly addressed 46 years ago by Mercedes Benz for the W126 chassis (SEL Sedans). I Wonder if we'll ever see any SXS brand adopt active sway bars, another Mercedes idea for the W164 (ML/GLE) more than 20 years ago. Making shocks 'smart', while keeping sway bars 'dumb' seems like an unfinished job. Crazy how far Sport SXSs have come in a decade though, from pushpins and plastic to a 17 billion dollar-a-year market. Props to Can-am for shifting to a modern transmission design.🎯

[@ShockTherapyllc]

Since the car appears to be designs for open desert, Can-Am probably felt 35-inch was adequate. Add portals and you’ll clear larger for the mud if desired.

[@swolaver1]

I think with 25 inches of suspension travel you would have more than 4 or 5 inches of track width change. However that’s the whole reason they went to 78 inches wide was to combat that track width the change.

[@ShockTherapyllc]

You may be correct. We will check it soon

[@dkdanis1340]

What's the avg angle for a arm tilt as far as i know quads and sxs have slightly tilted a arms front to back i don't know exact name of that angle. Another question, is there a cad software can do generative design or topology optimization for space frame/tube chassis. Many of them do it for casting and miling but i can't mill or cast the whole chassis.

[@aw9680]

The sway bar was moved because of the engine orientation. Same position as the talon.

[@swolaver1]

Yeah, I’m surprised Justin didn’t go straight to that answer. And you’re exactly right

[@dough5626]

Still single shear stuff, really listening to their racers Justin.

[@DoubleTap702]

It’s goofy looking, but I see the benefits. I see a lot of things being done in the industry now that Robby was doing years ago with the XX and now with the Speed

[@ShockTherapyllc]

Goofy yes. Lower arm mounted shocks. Camber gain geometry and double sheer spindle mounts are all standard issue in off road racing fir decades. Nice to see them sneaking into UTV finally.

[@Owneddd1]

What about the force applied to the inside of the tire on the other side? Wouldn't it increase the load against the top ball joint and offset the benefit?

[@ShockTherapyllc]

Yes. Your correct but remember two things. One. The inside Tite sees less force in a turn than the outside. Two, the force is left with a tall spindle on both the outside and inside tires than a short spindle.

[@titanium5275]

I could never afford it, but would drive the hell out of it

[@mikesimpson4932]

So you’re saying a low roll center will roll less and be flatter thru the turn. That’s opposite of what I was taught. A low roll center is farther away from the center of gravity. Therefore there is more leverage for the chassis to roll.

[@bdkw1]

The big question, how much does the new spindle add in unsprung weight?

[@swolaver1]

Not as much weight as the larger bearing and six lug hub will add. And I wouldn’t worry about any of it.

[@the_real_beaker_]

good info, as far as the stud vs lug stud debate, wouldn't a lug stud be a pain in the ass to change a tire? Or am I missing a part in my brain haha

[@ShockTherapyllc]

I am concerned that the rotor and hub and wheel alignment could be a pain when your in a hurry

[@joshowens2219]

Saw the race team up for sale on RaceDezert.... whats the plan going forward?

[@ShockTherapyllc]

Switching to Pro R for next year. Pre runner is done. Race car is two months out. 🤘🏻

[@memphisrains9156]

I want to daily drive this thing!!!!!

[@dkdanis1340]

Why do offroad vehicles have 1-2inch more travel in the rear. Is there a specific performance reason or it's just easier to have more travel in the rear with the design of rear suspension.

[@ShockTherapyllc]

When you consider a CV and it’s angles you always get more travel in the rear because you don’t have the added angle of turning the hub. Also, it’s best to have more in the rear since most of the drive force and traction come from the rear. More rear travel equals more traction in the rough and more acceleration and speed.

[@Rattlecanjeff]

Does that limit tire size to stock (I assume 32)? Doesn’t look like a 35 will fit.

[@1cavscout160]

35's will fit. Phil Blurton has picture of an R on his page with 35's on it.

[@jeffhorn6052]

Will we see these improvements trickle down to the X3?

[@ShockTherapyllc]

Doubt it. Requires a completely new chassis.

[@duneme]

Does CanAm have Tracks that fit/work?

[@SM-uf4ef]

This is truly a session of I dont know what im talking about BS....

[@ShockTherapyllc]

Ok then. How about specifics?

[@dr187mx]

Any news on the front diff?

[@ShockTherapyllc]

Supposed to be improved over the X3, but we don’t know specifics yet.

[@dougp2534]

Keep in Mind, The SECOND you put wider wheels with a different offset on the car. It changes Everything in the Geometry. KEEP STOCK OFFSET WHEELS.

[@ShockTherapyllc]

Amen!🤘🏻

[@domstarkey7279]

Have the studs in the hub makes it easier to line the tire up

[@ShockTherapyllc]

So the new car uses studs and lug nuts not lug studs. Much better for lining up a flat swap.

[@domstarkey7279]

@ShockTherapyllc I don't know for sure i was jus saying its easier to put tire on with the studs I remember the vw was a nightmare

[@dkdanis1340]

How is ackerman angle done in rear steer vehicles? In normal front steer there's imaginary line from pivot point of the front knuckle to center of rear axle and that's the angle that tie rod arms should be. What about rear steer vehicles that have independently controlled rear wheels how to do ackerman on them considering that both axles steer at different angles. My guess would be to optimize where the Ackerman angle is the most pronounced. Hopefully i explained well what i mean.

[@ShockTherapyllc]

It’s identical to the front but the line goes through the rear pivot line(kPI) and the front differential or imaginary differential if not 4WD. There are lots of options if you need rear Ackerman or not. Hope That helps.

[@dkdanis1340]

​@@ShockTherapyllcBut what about if lets say i want to build a buggy. And i want to have different steering modes lets say 1. Mode front and rear steers at same angle 2. Mode when front axle is at max angle the rear is at 5° 3. Mode when front axle is at max angle then the rear is at 25° I can use two power steering units and some kind microcontroller that can control the angles that but the issue is i can only optimize ackerman angle for only one steering mode. Hopefully i explained what i mean.

[@ShockTherapyllc]

You are correct. You will have to pick. I would not over think this. Maybe put your Ackerman right in the middle between the options. Remember not a big deal in the first. Maybe a consideration on the street. Locked rear diff negates rear Ackerman. Lots of theory’s here. None are completely right. Good luck

[@17madracki17]

100 lbs pulling higher on the chassis moving the chassis into body roll easier then 350lbs alot lower. That seems like a hard thing to calculate by looking at pictures. Overall good on canam for trying to change the wheel. It's crazy looking.

[@ShockTherapyllc]

I agree it’s hard to calculate but we did some and it’s better than more load lower. But again it’s a guess without proper pivot measurements.

[@dkdanis1340]

Do sxs have crumple zone? I have seen a pro r crash and the front end is destroyed but the cabin is fine.

[@ShockTherapyllc]

That is an excellent question. I have not noticed specific thin spots or bends in tubing where they shouldn’t be to create one on most chassis but it begs the question. I’ll ask some OEM engineers.

[@dkdanis1340]

​@@ShockTherapyllcit would be interesting to do a more in depth look at the chassis to see what every corner, bend, pipe does.

[@unclebobpatterson9136]

wouldn't that be like a 4point/corner Mono shock system? Thats what I see

[@darrendesautels5871]

HEHE. an X3 was already a super capable chasis, motor and drive train. 98% of us folks that would own an X3 would never even come close to driving the machine to ithe limit or even close to the limits of its capabilities. doesnt crap like this just add to the already too expensive prices of side by sides these days? sequential shift and an industry par screen/gps system is reallly all they needed. any word if the 72" version of the machine will get that transmission? I live in Canada and a 77" wide machine sighting will be far and few on our trails.

[@louisrobbins475]

As a Southeastern rider where clearance, gearing and disconnected sway bars are king... I see no benefit for those riders. Am I wrong? Having owned a Maverick X3 and all I had to do just to get it to not breakdown in the rough it seems this is too great a risk for my style of riding.

[@ImpalaSS08]

Has he done his first impressions on the SPEED yet?

[@FreedomIsntFree2023]

I don't believe they have been actually released to the wild....other that a couple you tube guys....🦄

[@timjohnson9406]

I love how he keeps saying how much better it will handle on pavement lol. Aren't these made for trails?

[@RamRhino]

I just saw a video of sxsblog last year when they where at Glamis and they put up a video of throwing camping chairs and beer cans in the fire and laughing we need to keep guys like this out of our dunes you know how many others people see that and think it’s ok to do that Glamis is my local dunes I live 2 hours from there been going for 40 years and I do the help clean up glamis with thousands of other volunteers to keep our dune clean and open but we got guys coming from Michigan and putting videos up with them throwing trash in the fire not cool I know you hung out with them befor please pass the word that that’s not cool to do

[@ultra4suzukisamurai679]

Parallel equal length a arm suspension has a roll center a ground level. Spindle height has nothing to do with the roll center height. This is all marketing B.S. all the “reduced load” is being confined in the s shaped spindle.

[@TwistedOff]

👍

[@mandytuning]

Did they mention the weight of the vehicle?

[@justinfee819]

I'm pretty sure it's around 2300 lbs

[@stevenjacobson8177]

Speed utv with speed key is 300 hp from the factory.

[@1cavscout160]

That's on E85. I guarantee the R will be making more than 300hp with the new 54mm Turbo once some tunes come out. This motor has more tech in it than Speed.

[@cptbuiltk7944]

And zero warranty

[@douglowenthal1320]

What you want to go find and spend 10.00 gallon fuel forget it.

[@duneme]

The Engine Head-Studs??? Comment??? (May be near the end!)

[@allmotorhash]

So how much side load would an Xtravel put out 500lbs????

[@ShockTherapyllc]

X travel dies not change side loads. It changes Sterring loads.

[@allmotorhash]

@@ShockTherapyllc meh i heard it puts allot of pressure on tabs

[@darp6439]

Are you sure there isn’t one in a back room somewhere? Hard to believe a bunch of u tubers (some hardly in the SXS game) get a ride and demo before a premium aftermarket company with a product line built around the brand.

[@ShockTherapyllc]

We agree with you!

[@ShockTherapyllc]

Possibly because we work with all utvs and are not sponsored by one manufacturer?

[@duneme]

Is there a clutch? All I saw was a brake pedal! I’m sure there was a gas pedal though!

[@duneme]

Clutch???

[@robbovay8324]

Wow the price tags on these sxs are getting out of control polaris and can am 40 to 50 grand is too much for a average person. I will never be able to afford sxs😢

[@justinfee819]

Those 40-50k machines are their top tier machines there's definitely cheaper SXS's you can still have a lot of fun with.

[@domstarkey7279]

Pretty much like you drew on the board a long time ago that you thought would be ideal it like they Pretty much listen to you lol

[@ShockTherapyllc]

🤘🏻🤜🏼

[@damienstark6901]

I think people will see the tire or machine pull something right into that goofy bar and tear thru the tire or bend the bar .

[@JP-qq2kn]

Does he keep saying highth..?

[@user-qi3yv1sv9i]

Roll center is not correct. The lower the roll center is the more the vehicle with roll in a turn....

[@Spectrum184]

Transmission could be cool if it's strong. They get 0 points for boring out the same motor and dumping more boost in. All Polaris has to do is drop a turbo pro r and canam couldn't touch the hp numbers. Still has the same shitty smart lok differential. I'm sure it'll be fast as heck in the desert. That doesn't matter to the majority of people that ride in the woods though. That upper arm is also gonna take a bunch of abuse anywhere but the desert.

[@boomerps2]

Exactly. Pro R turbo and the numbers change dramatically.

[@ShockTherapyllc]

The new R engine seems to have a lot more tech and potential in it than just “boring out” the X3 engine.

[@justinfee819]

It's also another 99cc

[@domstarkey7279]

They might actually own you some money now that I think about it lol

[@ShockTherapyllc]

Now your talkin!

[@dough5626]

chassis strengthened by 15% lol

[@stevenjacobson8177]

Can am has bought you. Lower is always better. You know that. MIT grad here. Stiffer frame is always better let suspension don’t it’s work.

[@ShockTherapyllc]

Hardly. Just waiting until we drive it and get our hands on one so we can measure and cycle.

[@jadebylund7061]

My issue is the goofy looking knuckles didn't need to be like that. They could have achieved a very similar functionality without the ugly front end. Think trophy truck. Make the knuckle taller but keep it inside the tire. Looks do matter and someone may choose a polaris pro R because it looks better. Just sayin

[@ShockTherapyllc]

Jade, I agree. It is very important.

[@seadoomania]

Stick out like dogs balls and not a good look

[@bdkw1]

Your force roll center calcs are flawed. Yes it has less load at the mount with the taller spindle but it is effectively working on a longer lever arm giving it more leverage on the chassis. The amount of roll will be similar between the old and new designs.

[@mikemiller9119]

This was a Can Am BJ session! Come on bud, there’s always PROS and CONS. But you don’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings at Can Am. There is so much more that’s been said about this car and you choose to skate on by that.

[@trschurr]

Maybe they need to actually test it out first...crazy concept!

[@ShockTherapyllc]

Give us a chance to drive it and get one in our hands to measure and cycle.

[@Jizden_Mipanz]

Yes, this did seem a bit fanboyish on the surface, however as a polaris fanboy i learned a ton here feel that there was just a genuine excitement for the engineering that went into this design (geek stuff) lol. I do feel that they couldve compromised just tiny bit on those upper arms and still had some really great results. But this is what they chose to go with so time will tell if it affects sales, and all the other concerns voiced so far.

[@robertl9065]

I learned a lot from this. A lot more than the poster with an opinion.

[@mikemiller9119]

@@robertl9065 good for you. That means you you are lagging way behind. Maybe look for a sxs tutor.

[@mikeherber8358]

NOT for $60.000000000 $

[@mikemiller9119]

Screw you bud. This makes so many issues on the trails. We use these on trails, not everyone works for shock therapy doing Baja runs. I see that thing breaking all time.

[@ShockTherapyllc]

So would it break more on the trails because of the width or because of the front end design?

[@mikemiller9119]

@@ShockTherapyllc because of the front end design. There are so many times that you’re squeezing by trees, rocks, ledges, you name it. How many people are going to lay it on it’s side and take out the knuckle? I love the rest they have done, but let’s be honest, there will be TONS of people breaking these unless they stick to the dunes only. If that’s the case it will be just fine, because those guys are too worried about scratching their pretty wraps.

[@tkelly1087]

Go buy another car then. Butthurt much? 🤣🤣🤣🤡

[@FNKevin77]

Mike Miller, who are you?

[@Chingon1west]

So basically, before this, they had a shitty design

[@ShockTherapyllc]

Certainly more conventional.

[@thelongshotartist1]

i dont care how good it works... it looks like crap

[@williammenchen7562]

Do you actually think Steve is funny?

[@ShockTherapyllc]

No. But Steve thinks he is!😂

[@justinwhitten5975]

Those upper ball joints are you in the way of big tires!