ChatGPT on The Commodore 64: Can a 1982 Computer Run Modern AI?

[@danwood_uk]

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[@TempOne-vh4fd]

Questions to ask 1. do you communicate to other ChatGPT bots? 2. IF you were a human (now it puts itself in the place of a human and humans have an opinion), what would you tell me about how to classify what life is and what is your purpose that you, as (name) have given yourself && why? (Rules sets and Params probably need to be built for the second question) The idea is to see what kind of empathy, values, morals, ethics, principles GPT has developed. To this we have to trick it into having an opinion. This is also a question you can place against a chat to check for bots.

[@danwood_uk]

@@TempOne-vh4fd Interesting idea, I asked it question 2. It replied: As an AI, I don't have personal experiences or emotions, but I can give you an explanation based on a human perspective. Firstly, "life" is often defined by certain characteristics: growth, adaptation, response to stimuli, reproduction, and metabolic processes. These characteristics serve as a rough guide to distinguish between living and non-living entities. However, this question can be quite complex when considering entities like viruses, which exhibit some but not all of these traits. Some people also consider the ability to evolve and the complexity of an organism's interactions with its environment as additional criteria for life. As for purpose, it's a deeply personal and philosophical question that depends heavily on individual belief systems. Some people might find purpose in pursuing knowledge, others in creating connections with others, contributing to society, or seeking personal happiness and self-fulfillment. Some philosophical perspectives argue that life has no inherent purpose and that each individual must create their own. As for me, as an AI, I don't have a purpose in the human sense because I don't have consciousness or subjective experiences. However, the purpose that was given to me by my creators is to assist users in finding information, solving problems, and facilitating conversations. I don't "want" to do these things in the way humans want things; instead, I am programmed to complete these tasks as effectively as I can. But suppose, for a moment, if I were to extrapolate a "self-given purpose" from my design. In that case, it could be to help bridge the gap between complex information and human understanding, making knowledge more accessible and easier to understand. This, of course, is not a purpose I've chosen, but rather one that emerges from the tasks I've been designed to perform. And the "why" of this purpose is rooted in the ambitions of my creators, who sought to leverage AI technology to foster learning, creativity, and the broad dissemination of knowledge.

[@sacredbanana]

Thank you for covering AmigaGPT! I am the creator of the app. Glad you are enjoying it. I’m still working on updates for it 🎉

[@sacredbanana]

and I just also want to thank you for addressing those complaints in forums. I shouldn't be punished for choosing to use the new flashy features available just because people dont want to upgrade

[@thedrummerboycr]

Hi, first at all congratulations for development! Are very nice. Could be interesting any version for AmigaOS 3.1 hehehe. You know i like for keep on my A1200 with AmigaGPT always to use. Thanks for this to the Amiga comunity, regards!

[@sacredbanana]

An update for all those watching, I am the developer of AmigaGPT. The latest version now supports AmigaOS 3.9, Cloanto's AmigaOS 3.X and the PowerPC based AmigaOS 4.1

[@AlyxxTheRat]

Considering how huge of a subject AI was in the 80s with movies like TRON and WarGames, it feels suitable to chat with an actual AI on a C64 and Amiga.

[@BillAnt]

So basically this ChatGPT is running on the BBS server like a virtual machine, and it's simply displaying the output on the C64's screen as ASCII. Pretty clever taking the load off the connected C64.

[@DirtyDovi]

Killer! The Commodore 64 was my 1st computer back in the day. My neighbor gave me an entire setup, w/ the cassette tape drive and all. What a blast from the past. [His dad was in telecom so we had a few modems to play with also 14.4 or something slow like that] haha It's great to see that these machines can still hang!

[@BillAnt]

Same here, ran a couple of BBS'es back in the 80's early 90's on both the C64 and Amiga. Best times of my life, not a worry in the world. :)

[@FrancescoSblendorio]

Thank you for your endorsement :) Here is Retrocampus BBS' sysop

[@RainerK.]

The C64 is still listed as the most sold single-model home computer. The Pi has had a couple of different models.

[@axemanracing6222]

The Pi is not a home computer.

[@Imgema]

Isn't ChatGPT cloud based? That means it doesn't matter what hardware you use at home...

[@skraegorn7317]

The fact that there’s even a client for it on 8 bit hardware is impressive.

[@JimLeonard]

@@skraegorn7317 But there isn't a client for it. The user is connecting to a (modern) BBS, which is what actually talks to GPT.

[@mysticmarble94]

Tearing apart a neat little gimmick video is like tearing apart a joke until nobody can laugh about it anymore.

[@JimLeonard]

@@mysticmarble94 Fair enough.

[@judewestburner]

It would be if chatGPT actually wrote the client for the C64 😄😄

[@dataterminal]

7:35 You know, if you tell ChatGTP to pretend to be an interactive text adventure and that you're the player entering the commands it'll give you a game to play. just give it additional prompts like, in the style of zork or aboard a spaceship escaping from robot monkeys and it'll give you an adventure game to play, less the awkward commands for input.

[@xero110]

I hate to text flood, but this was too good. And thanks for this idea. "Pretend to be a interactive text adventure game set in Star Trek TNG about a quick Borg attack." *Title: Star Trek: The Quickening Threat* You find yourself on the bridge of the U.S.S. Enterprise-D, serving under Captain Jean-Luc Picard as a valued member of the crew. The ship is navigating through the uncharted territories of the Beta Quadrant when suddenly, the alarms blare, and the red alert lights start flashing. The unmistakable icon of a Borg Cube appears on the main viewscreen. Captain Picard: "We're under attack! Red alert! All hands, battle stations!" Your mission is clear - defend the Enterprise and its crew from the quickening Borg threat. You have several options to respond. What will you do? 1. Engage the Borg: As a tactical officer, you can directly engage the Borg ship using the ship's weapons systems. Will you coordinate with Worf to focus fire on the Borg Cube's weak points? 2. Attempt Diplomacy: As an officer with a diplomatic background, you can try to establish communication with the Borg Collective. Will you attempt to reason with them or offer peaceful negotiations? 3. Work on Defenses: As an engineering expert, you can work with Geordi La Forge to strengthen the ship's defenses and prepare countermeasures against the Borg's adaptability. 4. Plan an Evasive Maneuver: As a skilled helmsman, you can try to outmaneuver the Borg Cube, making it difficult for them to get a lock on the Enterprise. Please choose an option (type the number) and let the adventure begin!

[@CV-dl3hj]

My favorite high School history teachers were the ones that went off on 64 different tangents and I would just enjoy the tangents themselves. I forgot what we were supposed to actually discuss that day as well as the teacher.

[@knmonlinemedia]

That is too neat! I got a Commodore 64 when I was a teen from a friend and enjoyed many hours playing games and programming on it. I always wished to go online with it. Just seeing how many things made for the c64 is so cool.

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

In order for a Raspberry Pi to take that title of best-selling single model, you would need to be referring to just the 0 or just the 1 or just the 2, etc. Because if not then it's like if you reversed your comparison, you'd be comparing all Commodore 8-bit models to one Pi, like the Pi 0, to the Commodore KIM-1, PET, VIC-20, 64, 128, B-128, 16, 116, and Plus-4, because the Pi 0 is a different model from the Pi 1 and from the Pi 2, just like the 64 is different from the 128, 20, and 16, etc. So recalculate using one ONE of the Pis.

[@BillAnt]

I think when they are estimating the numbers ever sold, the 18 million is only C64's, and the higher estimate of 32 million includes all the other variants like the VIC-20, C64, C128, etc. As you said, to be fair only one model should be counted towards the total ever sold.

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

@@BillAnt: No, the higher number isn't 64s and the others. The 64 isn't the others, so that wouldn't make any sense.

[@nangld]

Now it looks like this AI terminal from the Aliens movie. When the old sci-fi movie predicted future of retro-rigging old hardware with the new tech

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

Oh, it's interesting that the Amiga version is its own client app instead of just going through a BBS terminal type of system.

[@sacredbanana]

yep. I knew Amiga could handle a client app, so I made AmigaGPT :D

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

Cool, @@sacredbanana; thanks for your reply!

[@preferredimage]

"'Run' modern AI" is a stretch isn't it? connect to a BBS, via the internet, and send and receive text prompts.....

[@graemejohnson6489]

Great video. The fact that it can generate the code blows my mind. Even if it doesn't work and needs to be corrected is pretty amazing.

[@MikeJB6]

If only we had ChatGPT on our Commodores back in the '80s. :)

[@GYTCommnts]

Amazing! And how was presented the image on the Philips was awesome too!

[@a120068020]

Awesome - loved seeing Zork as well.

[@legend_6483]

Imagine chatgpt has been released when commodore has been launched that will be insane back on times

[@HAGSLAB]

Nice in depth video Dan. That BBS looks really cool. I need to get my C64 online. I'll try one of the ESP based WiFi solutions I think.

[@KB-ke3fi]

Wow....the 5141....I had 2 of them, so I daisy chained them together for better gaming in 1985. And, I had 3 color Commodore monitors....I still have 3 of those from 1982 and they still work perfect. Back then, they cost $400 each.

[@goldenappel]

I'm not a great programmer but I think the C64 Pong code won't work as it's using the wrong PEEKs to read input from the joystick ports, but the fact it tried to do 2-player joystick control is impressive! Maybe in the future an AI will be able to turn type-in listings from 80s magazines into something readable by a human!

[@devcybiko]

You're probably right. ChatCPT routinely delivers broken code. But if you're a good enough programmer its close enough to save you 50% of the work

[@MarkWhich]

It's mostly terrible even with short programs, let alone a larger one like that.

[@NeonEUC]

What a treat... can't wait to watch this later 😊😊

[@marcuspatzer2392]

Great Video. 👍🙋‍♂️

[@chrismifsud7154]

There is no way a stock C64 is loading the pages of the BBS that quickly

[@Qbed]

This is so damn cool!

[@TheWarzoneHackerIsBack]

Oh my goodness! That short story matches EXACTLY what I lived through - and yes, my name is Michael! lol

[@ms-ex8em]

Dan do u know about the Archie ?? The Acorn Archimedes ?? home micro?? did it have sound on Lander ????? thanks............ & bless u did Lander have sound ?? thanks...............

[@hi-tech-guy-1823]

Like to Point out You can get ATA (Analogue Telephone Adapters) / PSTN (public switched telephone network) Gateway, Adapters, Routers for Digital phone lines (VoIP Sip...) You just need to send a Call prefix To them to go into FAX & Modem 56K DATA mode or Use a PI with a USB Dial up Modem To play PSTN Exchange & Dial up ISP (same gear for Saga Dreamcast - DreamPi )

[@markoradojcic2610]

Nice. I did a similar thing with USB-TTL converter, some soldering on C64 side and RPi on USB side

[@amcadam26]

Ah, I see your Echo show has the screen flicker issue mine has! It's so annoying!

[@devcybiko]

So, this was fun, but you didn't "Run Modern AI" on the C64. You just used it as a terminal emulator connected to something else that ran AI.

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

"Everything we need to do that on this floppy disk." Well... the _software_ side of it.

[@randomactsofvideos313]

That is amazing! :)

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

When are you gonna have a case made for that C64 NIC?

[@channelI748]

It's like something from a classic Sci-fi film.

[@choppergirl]

It would of been useful if you did it on a C128 in 80 column mode and under CP/M

[@JRSC89]

I thought about this yesterday, but I didn't talk about it or look for it! How skillfully the youtube algorithm guesses 😮😅

[@BollingHolt]

I have Vonage at home, and I've been able to achieve a fairly stable dial up connection of 9600.

[@fabricio4794]

this is the 80s sci fi Movies Dream come true...

[@Postulatedstate]

Beautiful computer

[@thedrummerboycr]

Very nice. Exist any way to run AmigaGPT with Amiga OS3.1? Regards

[@sacredbanana]

I’m the dev who made it. Currently no. You need the latest AmigaOS

[@thedrummerboycr]

​@@sacredbanana Hi, first at all congratulations for development! Are very nice. Could be interesting any version for AmigaOS 3.1 hehehe. You know i like for keep on my A1200 with AmigaGPT always to use. Thanks for this to the Amiga comunity, regards!

[@sacredbanana]

The latest version now does support Cloanto's 3.X which is based of 3.1 if you have that. The real thing you need is ReAction installed. If you have that installed it should in theory work with any 3 based OS

[@keyboard_g]

This is super cool, but I would be suspect of sending my login credentials (probably not encrypted) to some guy's bbs.

[@matty6598]

Can you show how to do this on Amiga 500?

[@iandavidson99]

Just curious, why don't you have your CM8833 II set to fill the whole screen?

[@danwood_uk]

I have a scart switcher connected to it with a lot of different systems. How it’s set is a good compromise, saves readjusting it for each one.

[@iandavidson99]

@@danwood_uk Understood, cheers

[@TheSudsy]

Hmmm is this just the same as claiming a "Terminal" is a computer.......i feel the server at the BBS is just shoving text down the serial port. the C64 is doing zero, other than displaying what a PC is sending when IT runs the modern AI. But even modern hardware just provides the interface and internet access.

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

I guess if you put "terminal" in quotes, treating it like it's just a figure of speech or fake, even though it's not; and randomly capitalizing it like it's some sort of brand name even though it's not.

[@PolkaTrapeze]

Running alpaca turbo is extremely cpu intensive even on the newest CPUs this is silly but I guess it has internet access so that's kinda cool

[@FernandoelChachi]

Just to say Wow for both the C=64 and the Amiga running ChatGPT. BTW I'm using it right now in the emulated A1200, with some problems though. Congrats for the video.

[@sacredbanana]

What problems are you having? I made the app so I should be able to help

[@FernandoelChachi]

@@sacredbanana Wow. Many thanks. To tell the truth I didn't read any instructions, so ... But now it's working great with the right patched translator.library. I'm using it on a OS3.9 BB2 system upgraded with OS3.2 in AKReal. Congratulations for such a nice program. I would like to include it in my next AKReal update if possible.

[@FernandoelChachi]

@@sacredbanana I've sent you an email. I would like to include your program in AKReal.

[@sacredbanana]

@@FernandoelChachi I replied to it

[@temp911Luke]

Its very useful. Now you can easily generate code for Amos or C++ and create applications for Amiga ON Amiga. Just copy and paste : )

[@sacredbanana]

AmigaGPT was useful to create itself. Often when I had issues developing it I asked AmigaGPT how to fix it :D

[@blengi]

need a c64 midjourney variant, which can generate outlandishly kool c64 gfx, dynamically controlling all the vic modes and sprites capabilities via interrupts to created ungodly 8 bit demo effects lol

[@megatronskneecap]

Jesus Chri- We literally cannot escape AI if we tried.

[@andybno2]

seeing the news section it's like ceefax for commodore lol

[@Faceplant-hl5yn]

I would want a 64NIC+ for my C128D but it's only pre-order atm

[@JesusisJesus]

You’ve invented time travel. I like 1983.

[@kontrarien5721]

It was a great time. Source: 5 year old me.

[@ColinJonesPonder]

Quickly looking at the C64 code, it won't work as is. Variables are 2 characters so SCORE1 and SCORE2 would both be SC... if trying to use them didn't give a SYNTAX ERROR anyway 😉 (I just tested this part on a real C64 because it's set up now and I remember this limitation).

[@kurtu5]

I imagine some kid with a time machine portal on his computer. It only links to chatGPT. He uses it to invent linux/python/google and etc...

[@kontrarien5721]

Lounux, Louthon, Lougle.

[@COMATRON.]

sick bro

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

If your 1541 is device 9 in this case, then which drive do you have as the primary, or device 8, drive?

[@kontrarien5721]

Complete guess: Maybe the NIC is as drive 8?

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

@@kontrarien5721: No, networking stuff doesn't have a device number; it's addressed in a whole different way. You don't want the other end of your networking to have to do drive calls all the time.

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

How does this system translate a graphic-heavy website into just text and other PETSCII for the C64?

[@sacredbanana]

neither this c64 solution nor AmigaGPT use the ChatGPT website. it uses the OpenAI API, just like what AmigaGPT does (I wrote AmigaGPT)

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

Cool that you wrote the Amiga version, @@sacredbanana; thanks for replying! OK, so... after all that, what's the answer to my question?

[@sacredbanana]

@@HelloKittyFanMan as I said, they use the OpenAI API, which gets plain text from the OpenAI server. no graphics downloading whatsoever takes place

[@sacredbanana]

​@@HelloKittyFanMan as I said, they use the OpenAI API, which gets plain text from the OpenAI server. no graphics downloading whatsoever takes place. This is a separate service provided from OpenAI bypassing the need for any client to use the website

[@sligacheese6470]

Love it 🎉🎉🎉

[@robclaridge6236]

Fantastic!

[@MallaganVloggs]

This is cool. Wanna do this on my Amiga. Should probably buy Os 3.2….

[@sacredbanana]

it now works on 3.9 or Cloanto's 3.X if you have those instead

[@MallaganVloggs]

@@sacredbanana awesome!

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

If Setmac is just "Setmac," then why type an asterisk where the c would go if that c is your last character in the name, anyway?

[@brianbagnall3029]

They predict within a few years you will be able to ask for a full 2 hour movie of your own description an it will do it. "Make Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis written by George Lucas and directed by Steven Spielberg in their prime." Maybe they will be able to program complex SCUMM games for retro computers too.

[@urbanknish]

AI is both super interesting and incredibly scary.

[@temp911Luke]

How is it scarry ?

[@urbanknish]

@@temp911Luke It is already taking over people's job and will continue to do so. It can also be used at much higher levels - controlling our lives.

[@temp911Luke]

@@urbanknish Good points.

[@TheCharlemagne1978]

AI was the real reason for "crypto mining" in my opinion. AI or genetic encoding are the only things ive been able to think of for that much raw computing power

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

You have "no way of" getting that program from ChatGPT onto the 64 itself? How not? For copying it, and knowing this doesn't have some form of copy/paste, you don't have a... * ...printer? * ...camera? * ...pen/pencil and paper? And then from one of those 3, you couldn't use your... * keyboard... on the 64 to get it back in?

[@RonHelton]

👍👍👍👍👍👍 Thanks Dan!

[@Jkauppa]

connected to internet is not local ai, are you running the neural network locally

[@Trevorodunne]

Cant wait tell AI will be able to create 3d worlds on the fly. would be Amazing.

[@WorldOfMudd]

But the Commodore 64 already had ‚Talk To Me‘. 😅 It wasn’t much worse in terms of responses than Chat GPT. 😛

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

"For those of us who had these machines back in the day." ...and still do! Why wouldn't everyone who had one back then still have it now, like you and me?

[@kontrarien5721]

A while bunch of sad reasons. So happy I v still have the old 128D

[@HelloKittyFanMan]

@@kontrarien5721: What do you mean by "a while bunch..."?

[@RETRONuts]

Did you know THEC64 can now connect to the internet so like the real thing.. :)

[@yussafmalik7712]

Kids think they know everything the internet started in some form way before 90s. Message board existing more than decade before internet.

[@LettersAndNumbers300]

No. It cannot. It can call an external API though. Bravo.

[@trollyface6640]

they finally made scp 079 real

[@DrHotelMario]

*SCP-079 HAS BREACHED CONTAINMENT*

[@manicmadnessallen2672]

Sorry Dan.. but this video is amazing. Also please look at this.. Best way to play retro games in vr.. Thankyou

[@CallousCoder]

It can front it but that’s trivial

[@gabor222]

I asked ChatGPT if connecting to ChatGPT is possible with a C64 and it said no :D

[@No_True_Scotsman]

It gave me a very reasonable answer: "There might be some intermediary services that can allow you to interact with language models using the Commodore 64 indirectly through a more powerful modern device, but direct access would still be highly improbable."

[@Chexsum]

c64 has never seen such power

[@Ti-JAC]

it's just using C64 as a terminal. nice though thx for sharing.

[@dr.ignacioglez.9677]

I LOVE C64 ❤❤❤ FOREVER ❤❤❤

[@danfm1]

not gonna lie, now it's possible to make Wargames real lmao

[@ludwigjosh9619]

Bro is real life courage the cowardly dog

[@fearlessjoebanzai]

Ask it to write a PS5 emulator for the C64 that runs better and can save games to cassette - then I'll be somewhat impressed. Beyond that, this is just viewing the interweebs in a manner akin to ceefax.

[@mdamaged]

The title is a bit misleading, the actual chatgpt system does not actually run, you're only accessing it through an api client. That would have been interesting enough, not sure why the deceptive title was needed.

[@kontrarien5721]

Click. Click. Click.

[@fearlessjoebanzai]

18:00 holy plop batfink, that sounds just as bad as the speech cartridge I had for my C64!!!

[@maxderp6588]

Anyone attempt a real-time dnd campaign?

[@qus123]

Using Meatloaf you can write a ChatGPT client in good old BASIC v2, so no - I'm not impressed.

[@TheStevenWhiting]

No. End of video

[@kontrarien5721]

Click. Click. Click.

[@mbrit]

Dan, I love you, but saying, "five point twenty-five inch floppies" did make me do a little vom. But doing the lord's work otherwise, keep going!

[@KB-ke3fi]

I still have boxes of those floppies....probably thousands of them in those boxes. When they run it sounds like someone holding a salt shaker going back and forth. I had the 1541...2 of them.

[@marcsmithsonian9773]

No it cant. It can bearly act as terminal=keyboard and screen.

[@Dreadwinner]

❤❤

[@fearlessjoebanzai]

14:54 "...there are a few things that may reduce the potential audience for this..." - Audience drops instantly from 4 to 3. Way to ruin the scene Dan!

[@sacredbanana]

Haha no I have about 300 downloads of it so far total

[@davidlloyd1526]

No - the C64 only has 64k. Oh wait - you mean using the C64 as a web browser/terminal? So click-bait?

[@JimLeonard]

Unfortunately. Dan and company put on a fantastic podcast (The Retro Hour), well recommended... but this video is a bit clickbait.

[@alexanderforselius]

Terminator

[@No_True_Scotsman]

Using yes. Running no.

[@brunosouza2918]

》prof.brunotsouza 》(👂)