Why Apple Products Use 30 Year Old Software

Steve Jobs left Apple in 1985. And used $12 million of his own money to start a new computer company called NeXT. With NeXT Steve Jobs could regain the control he lost at Apple. Unfortunately, NeXT's computers were expensive and never found massive success. But the NeXTSTEP operating system, built on top of UNIX, was used as the foundation for Mac OS X. 18 years and 14 versions later millions are still using it.
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Why Apple Products Use 30 Year Old Software

[@woohoo2491]

"Why cars still use a thousands-of-years-old circular wheel design"

[@akshaysai1109]

Circular wheels are the most efficient wheels. If wheels were square, their corners would've always scratched against the ground. And the engine would've had to deliver a lot more power to turn the square wheel on one of it's corners. The ride/ drive would've been very bumpy.

[@herlingaaland]

@@akshaysai1109 I hope you're being sarcastic cuz my small brain couldn't tell

[@akshaysai1109]

@@herlingaaland nope, I'm not being sarcastic.

[@abhishekj6406]

Same way people use plate to have food

[@akshaysai1109]

@@JeremiahPayne I did, I was just trying to act like Sheldon from tbbt. 😅

[@Spyd77]

If you want a TLDR of this video, it's just that MacOS X is based on NextStep that is based on Unix. So you can use exactly the same title changing Apple with Microsoft. Windows 11 is using The NT kernel, an evolution that started with Windows NT 3.1 launched on 1993.

[@Donyourmom]

Nerd

[@JimAllen-Persona]

@@DonyourmomI guess I’m a nerd too then because he’s right. If you want to go back even further, NT was based on older versions of VMS.. how do you think they went to a server OS from a desktop OS. BTW.. thanks for the TL/DR.

[@Spyd77]

@@Donyourmom Thank you!

[@lorddarthvader6289]

Same with Linux. Why would you build everything from scratch when it already works.

[@PhthaloJohnson]

@@lorddarthvader6289 What already exists might not be a good foundation. Even the windows kernel went through massive code rewrites, in order to get what we have right now.

[@Dewibop]

I’m confused, he invested $12m and sold the company 16 years later for $429m. Where is the mistake?

[@blomegoog]

He was good at flipping, he did the same thing with Pixar.

[@campkira]

@@blomegoog still poorer than bill gate....

[@shahan484]

@@campkira what logic is that

[@kiyoponnn]

@@campkira Still richer than you

[@alphazar]

campkira Bill Gates was motivated by money. Jobs was motivated by great products.

[@djstapler]

Any $12 million dollar mistake I would make, is buying college textbooks.

[@Pfyzer]

Thats why you pirate😅

[@waaargh2985]

Indeed.

[@waaargh2985]

ABC ABC you must be very dumb as well that you didn’t understand his comment, you definitely need text books.

[@djstapler]

@Chang Noi at this point there's a high market for used books too. It sucks when the class requires the new edition though

[@umie66]

He ended up plowing WAY more then 2 million into Next before he sold it for 429, not to mention investments by Ross Perot and Cannon

[@i_am_awesome_j]

Everytime I see pictures and videos of young Steve Jobs I always think he looks like Ashton Kutcher

[@user-vn7ce5ig1z]

Why do you think they cast Kutcher for the movie? The casting director had a freebie.

[@stoichr3324]

I AM AWESOME j More like nerdy Ashton kutcher.

[@i_am_awesome_j]

- that’s true

[@fetz9369]

@Carlos Villa??

[@alilabeebalkoka]

That is why Ashton Kutcher should play him in movies and be the Apple official saleman and face of the company.

[@Ajinkyachavan.]

So are you telling me even after he left Apple, he built Apple’s greatest thing ever!

[@a.s.l711]

Yes

[@dw9932]

Yes he was the one to make his company big

[@maheshkumartak3096]

Have you heard about the term "xerox thiefs".

[@freezingicy9457]

he was the one to make the company big. but after he passed. apple kinda lost its innovation

[@Maniacguy2777]

Yes and they are high quality computer hardware comparing with windows computers.

[@xboxcontroller4811]

3:13 Apple: “Who wants a stylus?” Samsung: Yes

[@iveco555]

Samsung note does have a good stylus... have to sy it

[@CorpusReformatorum]

And now iPad has a stylus.

[@diegocejudo9704]

I think he was talking about those phones and PDA's with displays that could only work with a stylus.

[@ransom182]

Corpus Reformatorum the Apple Pencil is not the primary input method.

[@CorpusReformatorum]

ransom182 so what? They simply have it

[@jaisejacob4516]

Steve jobs left Apple? I thought he got kicked out by the Pepsi guy

[@NafeesMosharrof]

Kicked out by the Apple board.

[@CraigBickerstaff]

@@NafeesMosharrof It's a little bit of all of those actually, the Apple board stripped him of all responsibility after Steve's failed coupe on Scully so Steve decided to set up NeXT Step and took a bunch of Apple people with him saying they were all low level. When the Scully found out who he was taking there was another big fight which resulted in Steve stepping down as chairman of the board and selling most of his stock in the company, I think he kept $1 of stock in case he wanted to attend a shareholders meeting.

[@llothar68]

Urban legend.

[@Pēm̐cā]

Yey

[@llothar68]

@Hideika No. They just stripped him of his voting and decision rights.

[@princeofsomnia7664]

next video: why bethesda still using a 10,000 years old engine

[@iluvmyswamp7948]

Don't you mean 30000 year old engine?

[@carbonblack1002]

Or 999999999999years old

[@Jwellsuhhuh]

lmaoooo imagine playing doom or quake on macos

[@ksam2000]

that would be a great idea

[@kastro4460]

Todd Howard: "people are still buying it, that's it. Btw, buy Skyrim"

[@GRAHAMAUS]

Since Macs use BSD Unix, one might argue that it uses 53-year old software, assuming there are any remnants of the original Unix C code in there. There are also a few remains from the earlier Mac OS toolbox, which dates from the early 80s. New code isn't always better, if it works as well as it can already, don't mess with it.

[@RGG800]

Hell, it’s a Turing Complete machine, so it’s got 50+ year technology!

[@Freshbott2]

I believe BSD bits are the most OG bits, and that Darwin is a bit more derived (but that both Darwin and BSD are highly modernised), but I could be wrong. I think something like 300 system calls came in the 90s and 2000s vs the 50 or so before that.

[@paianis]

Everyone's using decades-old software. :) Windows NT started in 1989 and is still used today. Linux started shortly after and now it's in most phones.

[@WhatALoadOfTosca]

But Apple fanboys (aka Insider and the BBC) like to make out its unique to apple

[@BAgodmode]

@@WhatALoadOfToscathey really don’t. God apple haters are a weird lot. “I USE MUH ANDROID PHONE AND YEAH THE SECURITY SUCKS BUT ITS SO CUSTOMIZABLE CAUSE ITS OPEN SOURCE!1!1!” What does open source mean? “Uh uh uh uh idk.” lol. Dumbest lot.

[@jasonjason5325]

​​@@WhatALoadOfToscaagreed 👍 sick of apple fan boys

[@OldAussieAds]

In don’t understand this. How are Android phones “most phones”? iPhones make up a huge percentage of the global market. The iPhone has a 60% share in Australia at the time of writing this. I’m not saying one is better than the other. But just stating the facts. The smartphone OS market is a duopoly.

[@OldAussieAds]

@@stickbugstickbug6320 Not at all.

[@jakederouin9116]

For those of you in iOS development the NS in classes such as NSUserDefaults and NSKeyedArchiver stands for NextStep.

[@SKCodesForFun]

I just replied with this to another thread :), crazy how this is true !!!

[@colehuesca]

While everyone played an instrument, he played the orchestra.

[@HammadKhan-is5pb]

Oh u also watched that movie

[@smks8er]

Others were playing checkers he was playing chess

[@happysmash27]

@@HammadKhan-is5pb Which movie?

[@HammadKhan-is5pb]

@@happysmash27 Steve Jobs 2015. Its a really gr8 movie u should give it a try

[@glossygloss472]

cringe

[@carlolabadia5610]

"NS" prefixed libraries of Apple's sofwares-Objective C and swift- mean NextStep. The software engineers from neXt were some of the brilliant guys at that time, and brought their ideas that powered Mac, iPad, iPhone, and apple watches' OS till today.

[@enoll218]

this is just mind blowing information for me can’t believe they don’t in fact rewrite the entire operating system from scratch in each software update and actually just add that new feature to already existing os

[@danielratner]

That's true for almost all software. Why would you ever start from scratch? Programming is largely an act of taking existing technology and code, and manipulating it perform different functions or work more efficiently

[@Toothily]

@@danielratnerwhoosh

[@leafyon]

@@danielratnerhe was being sarcastic

[@ironfist7789]

I mean, you'd probably want to create a new programming language first that is up to date at the time of each update

[@HowieIsaacks]

It's a shame that Steve's persnickety perfectionism doomed the NeXT computers in the market before they even went on sale. That said, they were years ahead of everything else on the market. Apple's acquisition of NeXT was, in a lot of ways, a reverse acquisition. NeXT technology became the basis of everything Apple makes today.

[@markaurelius61]

Exactly. In terms of outcome it would be better to explain this as Next took over Apple.

[@s3rverlord]

This video is the history of the OS. Doesn't answer the why part at all.

[@TheScramblerTV]

Well the video was claiming that modern apple OSes run NExTSTEP but thats disinformation, they actually run Darwin which is based on FreeBSD, and the reason is because UNIX was the standard back then and UNIX-Like operating systems are still in fashion, whether it be 99% of webservers running Linux or IoT devices using UNIX-Like firmware UNIX is still the standard used today and since its just a base of a greater operating system it needs to stay simple and robust, and FreeBSD is very simple and very robust, plus you probably couldn't make anything better if you tried because UNIX is so sold it is just so simple and since it was made to run on the hardware of old; it runs extremely fast and efficiently on modern hardware.

[@s3rverlord]

@@TheScramblerTV thanks.

[@ce1601]

@@TheScramblerTV that is not disinformation. That is Steve Jobs' reality distortion field set to maximum warp.

[@quisqueyanguy120]

Good old clickbait

[@ifkaralhaq6620]

If it ain't broke

[@katomiccomics202]

The Next computer’s base price was $6500 The Next monitor was 3000 And the Next stand was 1000

[@gytisdramblewolfskis8521]

I suppose apple learned. The apple pen costs merely 100$ + taxes.

[@nororlol4life819]

this is a work of an enemy stand

[@antniomanso]

coincidence? maybe hotel? trivago

[@omegaman1409]

Typical.

[@willd0g]

Had no idea the work-provided multi-dongle essentially cost $100AUD ; plus my magic keyboard with numpad and magic mouse / and that’s over $500 AUD in (necess)accessories before even getting started. The genuine leather sleeve is like $350... fkn hell

[@PassiveSmoking]

The core of OSX is in fact pushing 50 years old. BSD Unix (which serves as the core of both NeXTStep and OSX with the exception of the Mach kernel) dates back to the 70s. As to why? If it works, then it works. Why change it just because it's been around a while?

[@國鈞-r3m]

"Hey, I'm Steve Jobs. I make computers." What a statement

[@WhatALoadOfTosca]

Bit of a stretch. Woz made the computers. Steve never made anything. He did copy of lot of things that other people made though.

[@kiran-thetributechannel]

@@WhatALoadOfTosca What ? Woz just made the circuit board, he made all the other parts and built it by himself

[@OldAussieAds]

This old chestnut. If you run a company that makes computers then you’re making computers. The Apple II (and other machines from the late 70s) were unique in that they could be made by one person. By the time of this quote from Steve, no computer was made by just one person and the person who was playing conductor was just as important as the orchestra.

[@猫娘-j4t]

Well, you need someone to talk to people. While some people who make computers had no social skills and would confuse people outside their circle.

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

An apple from Isaac Newton's tree landed on Steve Jobs' head and that saved Apple

[@nocturnalsonder]

Funny enough, Apple's first logo is a depiction of Isaac Newton under the Apple tree

[@mrhumphrey7190]

Apples basically died again

[@thatocelot879]

And then Apple died again.

[@TAILSORANGEs]

And then Tim placed Apple in front of the Cook so that Steve would not have a job... Tim: Please help me find the way... Steve: Way? What way? ( I am hinting something) Also Steve: For God sake, get yourself a book... Meng Wang zhou: ... And Mate that Book. [MateBook] Also Meng: Can I buy an apple Pie at MacDonald's? Lei Jun: Yes. An Organic one. Get ME a note book please. [Xiaomi Mi notebook pro]

[@charleskim6711]

Mr Humphrey not even close

[@willblack7353]

"Hey, I'm starting my own computer company and I'm looking to poach some chumps. You in?" -Steve Jobs, 1985

[@rosaliamiranda4808]

I love how Steve convinced a dude to drop out of his job to work with him, didn't like it, dropped out of the company and in the end the dude had to drop out this company as well 🙂

[@danh5637]

It's actually even older because NextStep was built on OpenBSD, which is an OS in its own right!

[@Maxfli82]

You’re right. There are a lot of features and looks of macOS that comes from nextstep OS. There is an old video on KZbin about Steve Jobs demoing the nextstep os. You can tell that the finder, the dock, and system preferences were almost direct ports from Nextep OS when you watch that.

[@ConernicusRex]

Not features of.... macOS is NeXTStep. Quite literally.

[@Warp3326]

why do apple users call it a dock and not a taskbar like normal windows users

[@user-dj2yf6xl5k]

@@Warp3326because even in Linux and Unix base system we call it docks and taskbars they have a different approach and functionalities they aren’t the same things that’s why Microsoft is turning the taskbar into a dock in windows 11 centering things and in previous windows versions they changed the behavior of the icons and the menus on the taskbar turning into more app dock like

[@superultrafabulous]

@@Warp3326why do windows users call it taskbar not a dock like normal apple users?

[@leothehuman_9476]

Why do Windows and Mac users fight about their UIs when Linux can have both? And more?

[@loyaltheoristgirl1018]

Facorite Steve Jobs quote: *Who wants stylus'? Yuck!*

[@Hans-gb4mv]

Apple: let's call it a pencil.

[@loyaltheoristgirl1018]

@@Hans-gb4mv your a genius

[@kpbendeguz]

And he was right. Stylus is a creativity tool for special use and not an everyday interface device.

[@viiz6248]

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[@musicalneptunian]

I was in the high school system in the late 80's as a student. The computer labs had: [1] IBM [compatibles?]: 80% [2] Apple 2 e : 20% and decreasing in senior computer labs. There was no Apple NEXT computer anywhere. It got nowhere in education. A reminder as well: the school market was a gold prize then because back then software had total incompatbility. ThaT IS, a word processor program's file would not open on the other brand of computer. So kids had to have the same computer at home. So to get the school market was 24 carat gold because then you got the home market.

[@alphazar]

Musical Neptunian NeXT was too expensive for schools and colleges.

[@goobfilmcast4239]

Now look..... we ALL own iPads, iPhones and a bunch of watches...... the majority most likely selling to folks 16 - 40 yo.......HOLY COW !!!!!!

[@saimajavedsaimajaved4515]

@@goobfilmcast4239 not everybody owns a iphone or ipad

[@saimajavedsaimajaved4515]

@@goobfilmcast4239 some people use android

[@wlonsdale1]

So because your school didn’t have it no one did?

[@clahrenssgramula4374]

And now I'm 2019 we have an aluminium rotating stick costing 999 dollars. Wow how times have changed.

[@denis_denis05]

But ..... it's Fred shipping

[@lilvodka7647]

Denis Denis Fred shipping pog

[@mxmln8699]

Hi 2019, I’m Max.

[@alphazar]

Clarence Gramula the universe will eventually collapse on itself anyways.

[@denis_denis05]

@@alphazar but still Fred shipping

[@adam872]

OSX is the best desktop operating system I've ever used. I lusted after a NeXT machine when I was a student but in the end I've actually got one in a different guise. The fact that it runs a version of Unix means it's incredibly stable and pretty secure and also puts a nice GUI on top of it. I can't see myself changing any time soon.

[@Cenot4ph]

having used solaris unix, minix even, all windows variants, linux gnome, kde and macos I'll say it's okay for regular users, but it's lacking for power users. Still requiring spectacles to make its window management acceptable, a basic feature found for many years in linux desktop managers. NextStep was an innovation, but it seems when Apple got it, they didn't do much with it other than a paintjob

[@adam872]

@@Cenot4ph I'm similar in that I've used (in order) SunOS, Ultrix, OSF/1, Solaris, IRIX, Redhat, SuSE and Ubuntu. I get the criticism of OSX from Linux people who prefer the customisability and power features of their preferred distro. At work I'd probably crave that, but at home with my Mac I don't need much of it to be honest. The great thing is that the market caters for all tastes and OSX happens to be mine.

[@MobileNews24]

nice video

[@ktcool4660]

LOL, NextStep is a BSD fork. Unix made iPhone possible!

[@Locutus]

Why is this funny? It's not as if it's been a secret for 30 years.

[@ckingpro]

What do you mean by LOL? If you check the iPhone's introduction, it said that iPhone's software is based on Mac OS X, with its "rick-solid UNIX foundation". So, it was a surprise just to you?

[@vampirzhul8115]

@@Locutus its funny because Jobs and people at Apple working for him had habit to "steal" open source community. Like for their first web navigator they said to open source community "we like your web navigator please give it to us, we will keep updates open source bla bla bs bs ..." then basically stole navigator and never published updates seriously then did everything they could to bury the original web navigator open source project. They did this many times for "their" OSX OS. Also OSX is rather a fork of FreeBSD than anything else... so this video is kinda bs too.

[@Maddie_is_a_swiftie]

I thought it was Linux??

[@ten._.s]

1:12 left apple?! He was FIRED!!!

[@capndavey1]

he was forced to resign in his mind he was fired! but he still had controlling stock thats why NEXT computers were very similar in design to a Mac

[@gerardosalas9477]

Ten S but he left it, didn’t he?

[@AZmotion]

He was removed from the Apple board, but then left the company by himself later on

[@MegumiHayashida]

I've watched a couple of 'motivational speeches' from successful individuals and I realised that what they have in common is the fact that failures seem inevitable which is a life testimony on how the road to success is rarely following the initial target according to our plans, surprisingly there are always an unpredictable punch in the face or a tragic turn of event and we all know without ppl working in the shadow like Wozee the process in order to succeed would take an eternity to progress.

[@MegumiHayashida]

@James Franko I see where you're coming from but you don't know me neither what I'm going through nor even the sacrifices I'm currently making to reach my goals. Only time will tell if I took the right risks but I certainly not brag about my personal journey on the internet. Watching these 'motivational vids' once in a while can help as simple reminders that actions speak better than words and maybe someone somewhere will see my comment and get back on track after experiencing a brutal failure.

[@augustogalindo8687]

I get the point of James, most of the people advertising motivational speeches end up in those pyramid or multi level businesses and claim they’re entrepreneurs. It’s painful to see and they don’t realize how ridiculous they are. Obviously I’m not saying that you are one of them, there’s no way for me to know, but just be careful with that kind of people.

[@robbmonn]

I saw Steve Jobs speak a few times when I worked for Apple. What he often said was that he was no smarter than anyone else but that he figured out very early on that he needed to get better at failing than everyone else to succeed. "Most people are terrible at failing. They get emotional and loose all the really valuable lessons and information that you get when you fail. They quit thinking that a failure gives you nothing... but failures will eventually tell you all the things that you need to know that literally no one could teach you because no one else knows them." The quotes from memory but that's more or less what he said. I'll never forget it. Get better at failing.

[@matchesburn]

1:44 "But the NEXT computer was expensive..." Just like Apple.

[@aeonhelendale8777]

Jobs didn't leave Apple, he was removed and forced to launch the company NEXT as a showing to Apple that they've made a mistake. NEXT was never made to be successful or productive, it was a vengeful base to start a campaign to eventually force Apple to want him back. watching Apple hit failure meant his mission was a success, his replacement stepped down and he knew he was going to win. Therefore he released the best of software from next to encourage a buy out. Pocketed over 400% from the original startup cost of next and slipped back into Apple at the same time. A win followed by a win followed by a sneaky success.

[@oldtwinsna8347]

No, he left on his accord. He was offered to be VP of R&D division but declined.

[@robbmonn]

I know that this is the story that has been told, but it is not the whole story. Jobs looked around and saw that Unix workstations were the most powerful computers on desktops and were far ahead of windows and mac desktops and made the calculation that the next generation of desktops would need the kind of OS and UI environments that people were using Suns and SGIs and AIX systems for in the late 80s and 90s but tuned to the normal user. So he started Next. He had to build the hardware to start because he couldn't run it on commodity hardware, which was too limited. If you were in the headspace of these UNIX workstations at the time Next made a lot of sense. Not as a computer for normal people, but as a way of making OSes that would eventually be for normal people. He wasn't alone. IBM's OS2 project and Windows NT were very similar projects... they were not in use as commodity OSes for years and years but the idea was that they would eventually be the new norm.

[@mayureshdhat3480]

0:39 always gives me goosebumps

[@pitopintogorgorito4309]

Say Mac OS is the same software as 30 years ago is clearly say “I have not fckng clue of what I’m talking about”

[@alilabeebalkoka]

Because it works and why reinvent the wheel? I do not even have to watch this video. I am a software engineer. You use codes that works regardless of when it was written. Saves time and 💰 money honestly in developing software.

[@nadeemshaikh7863]

Now watch the video!

[@alilabeebalkoka]

@@nadeemshaikh7863 Nope! It was suggestions in my feeds for some reason. I do not like Apple at all. Microsoft fan!!!

[@TheScramblerTV]

Glad you didnt watch, the history of Apple and other companies like Microsoft are every interesting to me and as such i know alot about the topic and the video was misinformation and didn't even answer the question

[@nadeemshaikh7863]

@@alilabeebalkoka Man, you're such a Drama queen!

[@nadeemshaikh7863]

@@TheScramblerTV What misinformation were there?

[@VealCalf1]

"Unix dates back to the 1960's" Please see "unix epoch," I can assure you that unix does not date back to the 1960's.

[@quisqueyanguy120]

@@JeremiahPayne Thats what he meant by "unix epoch"

[@christophernuzzi2780]

The first edition of the Unix Programmer's Manual by Ken Thompson and Donald Ritchie - a typewritten document "published" internally at Bell Labs - is dated November 3rd, 1971. Between that and the Unix epoch, I think it is pretty safe to consider Unix to be 1970s technology.

[@TheAbu420]

Steve jobs in his younger days looks more nawab Pataudi than saif ali khan 😂😂

[@E4est]

Yeah...anybody else who noticed that the "Mac OS X" screenshots in this video feature Internet Explorer in the dock? 4:22

[@squidgrill]

Internet Explorer was the default browser in OS X before Safari started existing.

[@E4est]

@@squidgrill I just checked it and you're right. I didn't know that, thank you!

[@Treblaine]

Huh, they also skipped number 9 of their versions of operating system, just like Microsoft would with Windows 8 to win-10.

[@RudieObias]

I was a Windows user from 1995 until 2003. I switched to Mac just for the Exposé feature in MacOS X.

[@LaurentCourtin]

Didn’t they actually try to buy BeOS first (but it was too expensive), and went for Jobs/NeXT when they realized there was no other choice?

[@oldtwinsna8347]

It's far more complex. Apple began to search for a replacement OS as far as back 1987 when they realized what they had would not be competitive and was well known as a turd OS in the computing circles. They had one in-house design with IBM that lead to total failure (Taligent), and then another one (Copland) that was an even bigger failure. By then it was late 1996 and so Apple pissed away nearly a decade of development and had absolutely nothing on the table. Meanwhile, they were getting slaughtered financially from poor sales and were downright desperate for any solution available, but it had to come from an external vendor because Apple's track record of in-house development was not going to be replicated again. And then you have the story from there.

[@FinnProp]

I think BeOS didn’t even have printing functionality when Apple went shopping for OS. I tried installing it on an 486 PC and I ended up with fried motherboard.

[@WhatALoadOfTosca]

BeOS knocked the socks off Next.

[@ConernicusRex]

Internally it was thrown around but it seems like it never got past a tech demo or two.

[@ConernicusRex]

@@WhatALoadOfTosca It most certainly did not.

[@richardike2342]

Steve Jobs did not leave Apple, he got fired from Apple, then got rehired later. It's in his biography.

[@felixxdenolo6793]

Steve Jobs - Who wants a stylus ? iPad Pro - me please 🖐

[@Teluric2]

Who wants a bigget screen phone? Iphone plus

[@aarushsoni3785]

Teluric 1 nah

[@addyperps]

"Why Earth Still Uses 5 Billion Year Old Water"

[@splash-ce4ry]

Gosh Steve Jobs looks exactly like Ashton cutcher XD *young Steve jobs*

[@James-iw4fz]

DrFcku 2350 yeah I thought that was Ashton

[@ignskeletons]

I love MacOS, and with the new Sonoma update it gets better with widgets on desktop, better animated wallpapers from Apple, and more. I'm.a fan, and as someone who also likes Windows, I can make VMs with Parallels!

[@jameschristensen1658]

it’s like when michael scott left dunder mifflin

[@9000888sora]

Pretty much.

[@RobertKoflerWien]

we used to run NextSTEP on a intel 486 (!!). it was a tremendous boost of performance compared to windoooozzze and OS/2. e.g. the demo medical video (gastroscopy) included with Next came with 30fps compared to flickering 15-20fps on windows. Since then we turned away from Microsoft as they were and are still years behind of what is state-of-the-art!

[@alberteinsteinthejew]

Steve Jobs didn't leave Apple, he was fired

[@goldenhourkodak]

Nope. He left. He claimed he was fired but it was not true. He was fired from the Macintosh project.

[@marcdave9521]

Apple made a company to challenge apple and made more money and became CEO again, What a legend

[@jso19801980]

3:05 a guy from pepsi isnt going to help

[@ali_armaan2093]

Sir your voice is magical and attractive. Love 💓 from India 🇮🇳

[@zey2012]

I'm not surprised Steve Jobs charged $6,500 for a desktop in that time.

[@honkhonk8009]

Atleast it was next gen shit at the time. Wtf is MacOS today? Sure it got an M1, but for years its just been litterally a scam.

[@hisyam1664]

@@honkhonk8009 M2's now, they're really smooth

[@romanval69]

@@honkhonk8009 iOS is a decendent of MacOS/NeXT, so there's literally hundreds of millions using it.

[@leothehuman_9476]

@@honkhonk8009 Macs got no qualities other than their aesthetics and build quality. Any other computer cost less than half with everything superior.

[@peorakef]

Apple may use 30yo software but Microsoft uses ancient technology

[@rusitoexplorador]

Damn imagine being a programmer in the 1960'

[@robbmonn]

My pop's first programming job in 1968: the computer had no monitor: the main way that things worked was reading, writing and advancing magnetic tape (a literal turning machine), and output could be viewed on multiple banks of 8 lights. The input was entirely done with punch cards and a card punch machine. The memory of the computer was a matrix of tiny magnetic donuts strung on silk fibers and tiny wires (a memory core).

[@rusitoexplorador]

@@robbmonn Wow that is incredible! Thanks for sharing

[@cybermonkeyusa]

The Newton was actually showing a profit when Steve decided to kill it off.

[@mamoon3737]

Thank you, Next.

[@mojoblues66]

"Why Windows uses 50 year old drive letters" "Why modern 64bit PCs still boot in 16bit mode"

[@rahulvaidya6753]

Comments have more knowledge than video.. :)

[@lundsweden]

I can, at a pinch use Win 95/98 programs on Windows 11. Win 95 came out nearly 30 years ago- try doing that on a Mac!

[@ratuldeoun7228]

This video shows how young Apple still is. They switched many CEOs.

[@Warp3326]

yeah and the new one is terrible

[@Chuck_vs._The_Comment_Section]

‘departure from apple’ - there is hardly a more euphemistic way to describe that he was kicked out of his own company.

[@chrisquick7160]

Man I miss the days of Apple when Jobs was alive. It truly was the tip of innovation.

[@WhatALoadOfTosca]

Innovation? Apple haven't ever been innovate. Great at marketing and taking other people's ideas and marketing as their own, yes. But innovating themselves? They've never done that.

[@Cenot4ph]

@@WhatALoadOfTosca genius marketing and UX design basically, then being able to ask steep prices and vendor lock customers. Most people don't seem to mind, I'll never buy into this walled garden

[@k.b.tidwell]

@@WhatALoadOfToscathey are the China of tech companies.

[@eugrus]

2:20 hearing the Unix birthdate mixed up hurts!

[@Johnnyboycurtis]

TL;DR Unix saves Apple

[@timothycrawford3476]

You guys left so much of the story out, to quote Tim and Eric “You blew it”.

[@ericpa06]

Didn't Apple totally break backward compatibility years ago when they change from power-PC to intel based processors? I mean, saying "it's the same software" make look as if you could get a program written for mac in 1998 and run it today on your macbook. Windows is "the same software", I mean they at least kept backward compatibility somewhat.

[@goobfilmcast4239]

Apple used a series of system "enhancements" to allow for the bridge between OS 8 (old) to OS X (new, unix based) then did the same thing to allow non X86 PPC software to run in Intel-based Macs. It wasn't perfect but it allowed the installed base to keep the core functionality of their earlier purchased applications as Apple moved the Mac "upward". This support was relatively short-lived but it kept a lot of user happy enough to stay committed. BTW, I am currently using an 11 yo Mac Pro as my daily driver while my friends have tossed at least two or three (and more) Win PCs and laptops in the trash while struggling with everything from Win XP on down.

[@Rhythmattica]

@@goobfilmcast4239 10 year old Mac Pro here... Winning ! ;)

[@enzonolastname1181]

No they actually added compatibility tools like universal and Rosetta

[@Cenot4ph]

@@Rhythmattica back when the hardware was actually good, nowadays it's just a phone. Forget about servicing, but you pay a premium regardless. Buying Apple now is throwing your money away literally

[@wonderwallflower]

Steve Jobs: who wants a stylus, yuck! Apple now: who wants to buy a $$$ Apple pen?

[@TheGreatCooLite]

Was it just me or was it hard to distinguish when the narrator was saying the word "next" from when he was saying the company name?

[@fahoudey]

English is not your mothertongue obviously

[@olsmokey]

And all PCs run with a core of that CP/M derivative called DOS. How far back does THAT go? A lot further than NeXT.

[@TheMIBlack]

Steve Jobs is the father of innovation in this field. Apple innovation died with him. Now I see little to no innovation at all. Apple does not introduce something NEW nowadays.

[@WhatALoadOfTosca]

Steve and innovation is an urban legend. He never "innovated". He took ideas others innovated and made them out to be his own. He marketed them well and people fell for it.

[@LuxeFilmography]

Apple Silicon, AirPods, AppleWatch, VisionPro, etc but yeah, what you said

[@lokeshwaranvr]

Tech Insider about Mac OS: After 20 years still millions are using it! Windows: Am I a joke to you?

[@carlmanalo3444]

Too many misinformations

[@nishantahvan]

Os is not cheap shit, it cost billions to build. So apple made wise decision by sticking to old and just keep making updates.

[@boxertest]

SJ still the ghost in the Apple machine

[@musicalneptunian]

If you look closely at the apple screen and you see a ghostly man in a turtleneck sweater and jeans...

[@musicalneptunian]

@@zux128 No, it is Woz using a computer program to imitate Steve.

[@trevgauntletneu_gaming]

"Why we still use a ten thousand year old method to cook food"

[@mikecar52]

Mac os based on a discarded version of FreeBSD AFAIK. I think around the time they changed over to intel chips.

[@campkira]

legacy... it just how it is...

[@eugrus]

Having some 30 year old code in modern products is quite ok. It's not different with the NT line.

[@RayMak]

It's a great software

[@freezingicy9457]

comments like this won't save your dying chanell.

[@freezingicy9457]

@Icey Hes coincidence? I think not

[@ronaldddoooo]

@@freezingicy9457 wait really?

[@ronaldddoooo]

I have saw many comments of yours...

[@freezingicy9457]

@@ronaldddoooo yea he's only getting upto 10k views with upwards of 300k subs. his chanells not looking so good.

[@robertallen9696]

That explains why MacOS looks so old. Lol@the Mickey Mouse pointer

[@jahanzaibsiyal3239]

My windows 10 is working fine.

[@jahanzaibsiyal3239]

Goto service > windows update> disable

[@EfficientTrout]

Wish they kept the aqua interface/brushed metal look, it looks so pretty

[@Andre-Vids]

Irony: I am watching this on my iPhone XR

[@babychickman5587]

Andre Gaming same

[@carholic-sz3qv]

Watching on KZbin/Google too

[@TheGreatest88729]

if you ever talk to every engineer that NextStep not really working on Apple devices, they really start over from the beginning but with the same design.

[@TheGreatest88729]

TRUE STORY

[@blazingguyop]

But I love Steve jobs He is like my mentor He is my inspiration If he still lives apple would be a great company "Great people die early" 😭

[@user-vn7ce5ig1z]

It's obsessive, myopic, apologist fanbois like you who made Apple the horrible abusive company it has become. ¬_¬

[@blazingguyop]

@@user-vn7ce5ig1z bro I don't have iPhone or any apple product 😄😛

[@alphazar]

- you should calm down and buy an iPhone

[@VictorEstrada]

To say 30 year old software is like saying why cars still use thousand year old round wheel. Insider has become just another KZbinr.

[@ItsGroundhogDay]

Charging 10 times as much for an inferior product? Sounds just like Apple.

[@BeeRich33]

Not understanding real technology, sounds just like MS poor boys.

[@Teluric2]

@@BeeRich33 there s a resson why more teenagers and women use apple and its not intelligence..sorry you need to buy a life and status

[@SouravBagchigoogleplus]

Setve Jobs: Who want stylus? iPad: Me

[@goldenhourkodak]

It's not a stylus, it's a drawing pen.

[@nicholastravisano3439]

Nothing jobs ever did was a failure 😤💪🏼

[@saggre]

NEXT was

[@user-vn7ce5ig1z]

And his fatherhood.

[@nicholastravisano3439]

Carlos Villa saw that one coming XD

[@nicholastravisano3439]

- saw this coming 2 😆

[@EB_visions]

You can’t have success without failure wdym

[@alanflors]

The fact that young Steve looked like Saul Goodman makes me feel uncomfortable.

[@user-vn7ce5ig1z]

0:08 - Pft. Jobs didn't make computers, Wozniak did. Jobs _sold_ computers; he was little more than a used-car salesman, repleat with sleazy used-car salesman tactics. 😒

[@alphazar]

- Jobs created a company that make computers. It's not that hard to understand. Wozniak was an engineer, he made boards and wrote software but he wasn't in charge of the whole computer design like casing, mouse, GUI etc.

[@goobfilmcast4239]

Walt Disney worked alone in a cave 422.5 days a year for 20.68 years to animate Snow White directly onto film stock frame by frame and built DisneyLand with just a hammer, saw and a paint bucket on the nights he could not sleep...SJ was a piker in comparison :-)

[@Arkid77777]

Did I just get clickbaited

[@steeviebops]

The title is a bit irrelevant. Linux is based on Unix concepts from the 1960s. And modern Windows is based on Windows NT from 1993 (which was based on DEC's VMS from the 1970s due to having the same developers).

[@rickkarrer8370]

The macOS build number corresponds to the NeXTSTEP version. macOS 14 Sonoma is, in a sense, NeXTSTEP 23.

[@shehzad2519]

If Steve Jobs was alive, he would ban the notch

[@headbumb9022]

aye, dont mind me watching this video on a MacBook 💀💀