Technical Tuesday: Aftermarket Trigger Issues

[@flintironstag9983]

The way to prevent this is to make the factory trigger not suck

[@seanvine39]

What are you looking for? It’s a Glock platform. It’s going to have a Glockish trigger. Go find a different gun.

[@flintironstag9983]

@@seanvine39 my Gen 5 Glock triggers are significantly better. But be happy with an unacceptably creepy trigger in a $900 gun if you want.

[@seanvine39]

@@flintironstag9983 none of my 5 SS guns have any creep in the triggers. The War Poet model is exceptional. 4lb break. Zero creep, zero mush. My gen 5 triggers all have a bit of creep before the break, and mushy as hell. It doesn’t bother me.

[@gncc600]

@@seanvine39 You must not know what a good glockish trigger feels like. There are so many clones with better triggers than SS.

[@Philmoscowitz]

Hear hear! I spent $800 on a CR920X and the trigger leaves a lot to be desired. I've only had it two weeks and I'm already looking into trigger upgrades because the SS trigger sucks balls.

[@jackwicker]

I'm lucky to have a DR920 and Timney trigger that work extremely well together, but it seems like there will occasionally be some issues. You guys should really come out with a Shadow Systems equivalent to the Timney Alpha or Glock Performance Trigger!

[@thefrogking481]

Replace two springs ( I'm not going to tell you which two) and your stock trigger will be much cleaner feeling. No need ever to drop a ton of cash on an aftermarket trigger for a Glock. Remember that YT guys are making videos to sell you junk you don't need. Both springs cost about $15 bucks combined and will take 10 mins ( first time) to install.

[@jackwicker]

@@thefrogking481 I've done plenty of spring kits before. The shadow systems pistols don't really need a new trigger shoe, so you can save money there, but pretravel/overtravel reduction and a conversion to a precooked striker is a huge step above just a spring kit.

[@aaronrd779]

I put a Timney Alpha in my MR920 Elite because the stock trigger was the same, if not worse than a stock Glock trigger. I expected more from Shadow Systems. I initially had trigger reset issues, with both the stock and Timney trigger, but had some additional success with replacing the SS connector with a stock Glock connector. I'm on the verge of selling my MR920 Elite. I also just sent my CR920 back to SS because the trigger was super spongey. SS confirmed the issue and replaced the trigger pack, trigger, and firing pin. There's obviously an issue here, and it feels like SS blames the customer or the potential of aftermarket parts, rather than addressing their QC. I'm not thrilled with this direction.

[@MicahsRants]

I just put a Johnny Glock JG Vex (trigger shoe only)in my MR920 Elite leaving all shadow systems OEM parts and it’s perfection! I tagged in IG

[@pupanana3953]

Hopefully one day you guys make some custom competition options:) For now I'm looking forward to ShotShow 2024... Hopefully announcing a .22lr?🤷 You guys are awesome! Love all of your stuff. 🙂

[@caddilacjim]

A 22lr now your talking.

[@KstmStudio]

Read my mind

[@uutube243]

The question to ponder Trevor is why do most feel the need to replace the stock trigger? If you read the comments almost Everyone has replaced..

[@mackies9151]

The Timney is 3 lb pull and makes the striker 100% pre cocked like a CZ/Walther/Canik. It's sold as a competiton trigger.

[@MichaelKMorris]

Performance over safety 😂

[@piela650]

Have to be honest ive been tempted for aftermarket triggers for my CR920, just a really rough trigger that makes accuracy difficult, and you guys already replaced it once before. Would love an upgrade to a stock glock trigger which sounds insane hahaha

[@SolidSnake_1776]

I feel ya. I really like SS and the CR920 but the trigger is not great. I was hoping it would break in a bit but that has not happed.

[@bobm2916]

I put a Tactical Pontoon in my CR------LOVE it !!!!

[@collinarlo6141]

I run an all oem g43x trigger in my cr920 with a vex shoe and it’s infinitely better than stock. The stock is trigger is garbage and now it lives there as it should.

[@jarheadswsfvideos]

​@@bobm2916same, made it 1000 times better

[@terrybush7]

Changed my cr920 over to oem glock 43x components. Took the grit out and getting around 4.5 # trigger with glock minus connector

[@IterativeOptimization]

Love the MR920, but hate the trigger even after 8000 rounds. Are there plans to make a performance trigger that will keep up in the competition world? If so, I may switch back from my CZ Shadow 2.

[@thefrogking481]

I'm calling bullshit on 8k rounds. Trevor is too nice of a guy to do the same (yeah I've talked to him personally). A guy who actually puts 8k through any pistol knows what they have and won't be foolish enough to expect the pistol to be more than what it was intended to be. So, I'm doubling down, BULLSHIT!

[@collinarlo6141]

You sound like a shill. Triggers are the number 1 complaint about all shadow systems platforms. Crawl out from under your rock pal.@@thefrogking481

[@IterativeOptimization]

@@thefrogking481 kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYTWfaGAl9Grr5I&ab_channel=IterativeOptimization round count in the description. Careful of the Dunning Kruger effect.

[@genevandenham7999]

Why would you run an mr920 over a shadow 2 in competition to begin with?!? Lol. The 920 is great as an edc gun. But the shadow is a much better competition gun.

[@kylehill4437]

Oof I just put a Timney trigger on my DRP. No issues on my glock 34 after 5000 rounds, I guess we'll see how it goes on the DRP. Thanks for the heads up.

[@East10th]

Maybe come out with a list of approved triggers and aftermarket parts

[@MalevolantB]

They have. Email them.

[@adamleighton8052]

I have 2 shadow systems. A M920L and a DR920 foundation. The MRL has an imo a good trigger ( light take up, feels like 5ish lbs at break) the DR foundation for whatever reason IS SIGNIFICANTLY HEAVIER…. Feels like 6.5ish lbs. Are the trigger assemblies really that much different? And would an “Elite” trigger assembly help? Maybe a the elite trigger bar? I don’t need the aluminum trigger shoe. Maybe a slightly reduced plunger spring?

[@michaelcraig1128]

The thing of it is the gun is awesome with the exception of the trigger sucks. After hitting the wall, the creep is so long, I fall asleep by the time it breaks.

[@flintironstag9983]

It’s really inexcusable for a polymer pistol that’s $1000. I live everything else about tue pistol but the trigger is way worse than a Gen5 Glock

[@travistucker4067]

I run a Shadow Systems flat face trigger in my p80 with a reduce safty plugger spring. I haven't had any issues with it. Thank you Shadow Systems!

[@Patriotx-gx4ce]

Juts bought MR920 Elite. Based on all hype and reviews. I haven't taken it to the range yet but will definitely do a review. With price tag and all else I hope no issues happen. Well see what the quality on these is. I have owned many brands and like the fact these are light and love the looks and ergonomics. But did hear about issue like part breaking and customers getting black slides vs FDE when the replacement was sent....

[@KennethBostonian]

What about Massachusetts? It requires a 10 pound pull. I have to change the trigger. So the warranty is void because I live in Massachusetts and I don’t have a free state trigger pull. Please clarify this.

[@ryancornelius1007]

Yall could just give us decent triggers. They are so bad, been ordering parts and getting it better. Ordered a glock stock housing a new triggers bar new safety plunger. Love the cr920 but that trigger is so gritty and mushy. Grateful for companies like timney giving us a better option.

[@jamesdelong6401]

My personal opinion on aftermarket anything when it comes to your firearms. Someone's EDC pistol. Nope! Leave it! Alone! Just carry it and most importantly. Practice with it. Dry fire and live fire practice. Now! A range fun firearm to build. 💯, have a fun gun to build and shoot. Me personally, I'll never touch my shadow systems MR920L pistol with aftermarket bullshit. It's ready to go out the box like it is. So, way would Someone mess with a DAM good pistol.

[@Reacher0613]

I feel the same when it comes to my edc, leave it stock. The only thing i changed on my XR is the slide release, the stock are pretty low pro and im left handed, needed something with a slight ledge to catch with knuckle so I got a slide release from Tyrant, other that everything is SS

[@jamesdelong6401]

@Reacher0613 yes, I agree if it comes to change something on your EDC pistol to help you have better control. 💯. Do the modification.

[@collinarlo6141]

If the stock triggers were worth a shit we wouldn’t feel the need to replace them. Love everything about both my MR and CR but those triggers went straight into the trash bin, exactly where they belong.

[@Philmoscowitz]

Yes, exactly how I feel.

[@wd122]

Same! I have 3 SS that are fantastic - except the trigger

[@blakewatermeier8935]

Absolutely love the people bashing the trigger. If you hate the trigger so much, then don’t buy the gun. Or…if you buy it insisting on changing the trigger, accept that it voids the warranty. Why would anyone expect a company to warranty a gun with a third party critical component. Absurd. And to the Timney or Glock Performance Trigger fans….these exists why?!?!?!? Because people think their beloved Glock trigger sucks.

[@arlissyoung8899]

It's not a think their not so beloved Glock triggers sucks, it's been a well known FACT for all these years 1980s that Glocks have the worst trigger of any gun on the market. I own 7 Glocks, NOT ONE of them was fired with the stock Glock trigger. Very long pretravel, super spongy sloppy break, very long reset. Not one of my Glocks broke less than 6 1/2 lbs. most where 7 + lbs. I put Timnely triggers in them ALL before I would even shoot them. Yes I am older, Yes I have been a competitive shooter, Yes I knew well ahead of time Glock triggers where a POC out of the box. If ANYONE thinks Glocks have a good or even OK trigger they don't have a clue IMO.

[@authenticationstation2041]

Add length to a aftermarket or optional firing pin safety plunger so it reaches the trigger bar to make after market triggers work. Maybe even sell the part 🤷‍♂️

[@jeovakz8443]

I love my mr920 it’s my edc but the trigger sucks you guys should come up with something so people like the owner of that pistol in the video doesn’t have to look for alternatives.

[@thefrogking481]

Only a piss poor craftsman blames his hammer when he hits his fingers. Hint, it's not the trigger.

[@mackies9151]

What idiot sends in a modified gun for warranty work 😂. I have a Timney alpha in my competition Shadow Systems DR 920 so I expect that gun to be out of warranty. My MR 920 carry gun is 100 % stock.

[@motorcitymadman146]

For me , after replacing most the parts in my G19 with " upgraded parts" I really dont see that big of a difference. I have never liked a light trigger in a carry gun. I sent the Timeny back I bought for my S&W 2.0 10mm , it was scary light. I bought the shadow system War poet DR920 and I will leave it just the way it is. I feel confident in your system and customer service or I would not have dropped the 1100 to get it.

[@SkateAndReview]

I don’t understand how you guys can take the time to Research n Develop compensators but can’t develop a better trigger. Arguably the most important aspect of a shooters experience.

[@KMC_Shooting]

Exactly.

[@Patriotx-gx4ce]

What is wrong with triggers on Shadown System series of pistols that come on them? Short crisp reset and 4-5lb pull?

[@joeyroberts3929]

​@@Patriotx-gx4celong squish to the wall, good break, massive reset & more travel back to the wall. It is not a good trigger. I love love my CR but the trigger is awful. Everyone i know, replaces it. It's not the weight for me, just all the slop. It feels like a Taurus. I got used to Canik duty size guns, triggers and they show that even good prices guns can have amazing triggers out the box.

[@thelenzchallenge]

Leave trigger making for the guys who specialize in triggers. It’s not for everyone. youtube.com/@thelenzchannel?si=myqkGpkMC6VyePws

[@PreWar1934]

@@joeyroberts3929Canik trigger in my cr920 would be magical.

[@JK97338]

Is it normal for your trigger to get scolding hot after 100 rounds of shooting?

[@gncc600]

Shadow Systems triggers are a joke at their price point. How you can nail the rest of the gun and whiff on the trigger is costing you sales. At least make a Shadow Systems performce trigger available although it should be included in the Elite series guns for the price.

[@byronh77]

keep it stock, is my motto. I think the stock trigger is solid.

[@gncc600]

Yeah a solid piece of mushy shit.

[@bass_life2177]

Don’t the war poet editions come with those triggers already installed?

[@spiroaggelis5530]

There is just way too much slop in your slide rails to frame fit thats why some people have so many issues with other triggers....tighten it up a bit and youll be surprised how much more accurate your pistols become.

[@MalevolantB]

Pistils?

[@yzth3ory630]

I like my Radian comped XR w/Johnny Glock trigger. Runs flawless. But I’m ready for something new from Shadows a double stacked 1911 perhaps. 🤷🏾‍♂️ .. Hopefully Shot 24 bares new offerings like an upgraded trigger option.

[@jimt8766]

Which JG trigger did you go with?

[@yzth3ory630]

@@jimt8766 combat

[@Reacher0613]

I heard awhile back, 6 months ago maybe, they were working on a SS AR15, but nothing else since then. A SS AR would be nice, if doesnt cost a small fortune, lol

[@semii.operatiional]

If i added a kagwerks slide release, would that void the warranty?

[@bravo1IsixI]

Nope.

[@davidhartley6232]

Thank you. Always love learning ❤

[@michaelmaier7262]

I love this channel. Y'all made me understand how Glock-ish triggers work and why I don't generally like them. Thanks for the education.

[@Philmoscowitz]

For the prices Shadow Systems charge, their guns should come with better triggers. That way customers wouldn't need to upgrade them. I offer this as constructive criticism.

[@RaodyOPS]

Can you please tell us if a 10 mm is coming soon ?

[@worstcasescenarioch]

Yeah well i'm still using my Timney in my DR920 because it came with an horrendous fucking trigger and i'm not dealing with it one bit.

[@blakewatermeier8935]

Well you showed them

[@josearmendariz7044]

CR920P War Poet when guys?!?!?!?!?

[@pyrogaminghound9579]

Future video about holsters that fit all the 920's including conpensated and not (like MR920 elite with compensator), and maybe a possibility of future limited edition cr920p being all bronze?

[@chairzombie8378]

LAS concealment. I run a LAS holster with a comped MR920.

[@MichaelKMorris]

I use Dara on duty...I have 3 variants that work great, all level 2.

[@user-gg4jn4ek1y]

RAMM Tactical solves all this. Collaborate or develop a competition trigger please.

[@patriotfromthenoket6141]

Ya’ll are a stand up company.

[@calebdavis3110]

The worst customer service. I fill out info on web-sight wait get email and then nothing. Great gun but bad customer service. I call and they just send me back to web sight and never get real help!

[@FortitudeTrainingConcepts]

It’s Cody!!!!!

[@thefrogking481]

Guys need to realize and accept "intended usage". A striker fired pistol will NEVER have a comparrable trigger to a quality 1911. On the same note a home built hotrod will never win the Indy 500. My EDC is a stock trigger MR920 Elite. The only mods made is a Radian Ram jet and Afternurner ( cant reccomend enough) with a Trijicon RMR (no chinese shit for me). If I want to feel a clean break I break out my Staccatto, my Wilson Combat or one of my old 1911's. The Glock/Shadow Syatem trigger cant compete....with that said no 1911 or 2011 can compete with being caked in shirt lint, sweat and still be 100% reliable. Face it Jimmy Jo Bob, the guys who design and build these pistols know more about their platforms than we do. Leave em alone!

[@IterativeOptimization]

And if we never tell them what they're doing wrong, how would they know how to improve and stay ahead of the competition. SS is expanding into the competition world and have competition shooters on staff. These performance triggers do not need to come stock, but as after market components similar to glock or alpha timney offerings. This way, they can maintain the core reliability of their pistols while providing for the needs of the competition market. A market which is the best place for user testing of their products since those pistols go through the most rigorous use (for example, 8000 rounds in a year)

[@HeyItsThattGuy]

Wasnt the point of these glock clones to be built around the parts used for them? "This isnt a knock on timny" Id hope not, its your gun not working with the part

[@zachwilson7061]

Should have went johnny glocks triggers

[@True_Patriotx]

Besides putting a radian ramjet and afterburner comp on one of my MR920’s, I keep them all stock. The Shadow Systems trigger is better than a Glock trigger.

[@gncc600]

I disagree

[@semii.operatiional]

Mine was pretty gritty til i hit around 800-1000 rounds, now its about the same as my gen4 29 🤷🏻‍♂️ i did swap the striker spring for a 6lbs glock spring and maritime cups cause i had a few light primer strikes. But in defense of shadow systems it was hard primer ammo the my p320 had some light primer strikes also. Only other change was a kagwerks slide release cause i like my slide to lock back lol

[@MichaelKMorris]

Glock triggers improve over time. I have a G20 I purchased in 2006 I went through the academy with and carried for many years before switching to SS. It breaks at 3lbs and is glassy smooth.

[@bb98338]

Your guns run good but I agree with others in you need to get your priorities straightened out. In my opinion the company is getting complacent and starting to act like its sh*t dont stink when its essentially just an american “glock”. You modeled your firearms after the most popular and aftermarket rich pistol on the planet but yet its trigger picky? everyone wanted a Gen 4/5 slide and you give us a Gen3 at $400+?

[@DethGearz]

timney trigger is trash i had one had same issue

[@genghiskaitiemuzhen564]

Just leave your edc gun stock

[@joe-redacted]

All that money on a SS pistol and still dropping in the Timney 🤦 A LoneWolf 721 is under $20 😂

[@keithkent8126]

If your triggers where not junk and failures failures people would not be replacing them , come on Shadow Systems get you problems fixed instead of blaming your customers. I’ve had two connectors snap and your trigger springs are junk . Everything else seems fine . Your upper components are ok no failures. I can’t depend on your trigger components the gun is a paper weight lol . I know for a fact you know what’s going on fix your issues, your trigger components are out of stock because your replacements are high . Glock is laughing at you guys , they take ownership of there issues and support there customers period.

[@insanetripod1989]

How did you get the connector to “snap”? That’s crazy….and TWICE? Man, you have the worst luck or you’re full of BS. The video is explaining the difference in manufacturing and why tinkering is not always a good idea.

[@SkateAndReview]

When a Springfield Echelon has a better factory trigger than a 1,000 dollar “Gucci Glock”. There is a issue.

[@insanetripod1989]

Except for the Echelon’s magazine baseplates breaking and sending a fountain of ammo to the ground, GTFO out of here with that Springfield trash. Buy American

[@keithkent8126]

Oh for sure your customer service people are well coached to play stupid, that hurts your reputation and credibility. You can not cover this up anymore . What a bad example to use of some poor customer that was trying to fix his own problems, most likely because you did nothing to help in the first place. Shame shame

[@insanetripod1989]

Or they were explaining the difference in manufacturing specs and advising that it’s not the best idea to start tinkering around in the guts just because you can’t handle a half-cocked, double action only, drop safe trigger. Shame on you for shaming a company for educating the consumer. Now go apologize to the nearest tree for the oxygen you steal on a daily basis 😘

[@djunknwn]

lmfao poor customer who modified a gun with aftermarket parts lol ?