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0:00 Why the 7900x is most insteresting...
0:39 Sponsored Segment
1:01 Latest Price
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1:48 7900x Competitors & Price
2:57 AM5 Future & Upgrade support...
3:37 Specs Comparison
4:13 Testbench Setup
6:02 Memory Controller & 4x Sticks RAM XMP
7:08 Max Power Draw (CB R23)
7:47 Cinebench R23
8:25 Geekbench 5
8:46 Blender
9:32 Photoshop
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10:25 Premiere Pro
11:43 After Effects
12:00 DaVinci Resolve
12:42 Video Editing Performance Conclusion
13:36 V-Ray
14:02 Benchmarks Conclusion
15:13 🤯 Power Efficiency
18:45 Power Efficiency Conclusion
19:33 Final Thoughts and Overall Conclusion
21:32 AMD is dropping the price?

[@theTechNotice]

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[@AKUniverse864]

I will build a pc under 1500$

[@chriswright8074]

You need to test windows 10 and not 11 for Ryzen

[@KartikJayaraman79]

Lol. Those telegram spammers! Glad you added this pinned comment! Thanks

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

What are your thoughts about AMD's smart Access video? They mentioned a lot about media engines in their event. Do you think that AMD will finally make sense for creators with the launch of RDNA3?

[@chrisbullock6477]

It certainly will be once AMD releases the updates for new abilities of CPU/GPU workload distribution across alot of software titles with the new 7000 series GPU's, I'm very excited. Reason why I'm holding off on upgrading my X570/6900XT build. I plan on going SFF with the coolermaster AIO case 7900X/7900XTX build.

[@kramnull8962]

From all the advice I've gathered, I need to pick up a 7600x, 7700x, 7800x3d, 7900x, 7950x, 7950x3d and a 7950x. Then I can swap them out per application.

[@humansvd3269]

Got my 7900x with B650 wifi plus with 32gb g.skil 6000 mhz ram as a bundle from newegg for 535. Yeah, it's a no brainer.

[@RTX7050]

What CPU cooler did you use and what are the temps ?

[@HARRY1991MS]

Ak400 is enough

[@Arkini6362]

i would Go for a 360 aio not cause its necessary for the R 9 7900x but its better to be able upgrade to the higher parts which run Quite hot ,do not Cheap out on the Cooler pick a Good Aio but it's not Necessary thst you Need Aio only Air coolers work well too ,

[@Junior_7391]

Which gpu are u using with it?

[@humansvd3269]

@@Junior_7391 7900xtx

[@AdrianMakBC]

Exactly the info I was looking for- thank you !

[@SledheadGaming]

Love my 7900x just rendered a 30 min video in 5 minutes and at 1440p the performance is on par with the 7800x3d

[@KobeLoverTatum]

7900x is now bundled with a mobo and ram for $600 at mircocenter, crazy deal

[@Waxwizard760]

I picked it up and love it was able to get when it was at 64gbs of ram instead of the 32 it is now

[@EdwardKilner]

My 10 year old AMD desktop, 4 cores, 8 threads has done a great job over the years, very reliable. But newer versions of photo editors and a desire to do more 4K video with Resolve has me seriously desiring to upgrade. I plan to build my own computer. Frankly, I need help making a parts list. Was looking for Canadian sources of memory for example. Some sites have a huge list of DDR5 memory with various ratings, and I have little confidence in those ratings. Would love prices to fall. Now, I probably don’t need a 12 core CPU, but at 78 I won’t be buying a large number of computers in the future. But, since I can’t even upgrade to Windows 11, I want a decent parts list. I’m sure I’m not the only one who needs your recommendation now, probably with the motherboard at the head of the list. May have missed it but is the new ProArt board announced? By the way, the retail scene in Toronto area reminds me a lot of the same area back in late 50s/60s, which was rare and expensive.

[@pkures]

Just wandering. Why do you measure power draw (in watts) and not the actual power consumption (in watthours) for given workload ? It seems to me that total power consumption for a day of typical workload would be more interesting.

[@thesolidsnek8096]

Right now the 7900x costs less than the 13700k and i think i am going for that one

[@princegrwl]

Fantastic comparison video. would really appreciate if you could do a similar comparison video between these 4 CPUs for Audio processing & music production workflows. IDK why, but no youtuber ever bothers to consider the audio/music guys when discussing performance metrics for creators. If someone could pull this off, it probably is you.

[@ParaParagon]

audio processing you can do with 10 year old computers, you don't need anything state-of-the art for audio specifically... Good headphones and, or speakers etc. are probably more what you want to invest in...

[@Ash_Todd_]

@@ParaParagonyeah that’s not true at all! If you’re running a massive or orchestral session you’re looking at a mass of kontakt instruments open. Or if you’re working in audio post production, you’re looking at 200-300 tracks and potentially atmos processing.

[@HrvojeGolubic]

Thanks for video. I was thinking about sticking with AMD ( i have 3900X ) but after this video i am thinking more and more to get intel. I am using Lightroom 80% + PS 20% for photos. and Premiere 80% + Davinci 20% for the video. What is average power consumption for video beetween the two?

[@bgtubber]

My 7950x idles at 15-20W. I think there's an issue with your 7900x which should idle at the same or even lower Wattage.

[@roman9509]

Proof?

[@bgtubber]

@@roman9509 ​ @roman9509 Type this in a search engine and click on the first result: "capframex reducing the soc voltage of the 7950x". At stock (when not loading any EXPO profiles) the SOC voltage is even lower - at ~1.0V which gives even lower power consumption in idle - around the 15-20W range. You should not have a lot of background apps running in the background though and you need to use the "Balanced" power plan in Windows. I won't post any links to screenshots since youtube usually bans comments containing links.

[@Spoudey]

you just got like a golden chip or something idk

[@bgtubber]

​@@Spoudey ​ I doubt it. That was measured with the Blanaced power plan, on a relatively new Windows installation and with non overclocked RAM. Currently it sits at 35-45W now that I have overclocked my RAM (thus increasing SOC voltage which sucks power at idle) and I have a few more apps running constantly in the background. Again, it is possible to make it idle at 15-20W, but not once you start tinkering with RAM speed and loading lots of apps in the background.

[@Spoudey]

@@bgtubber ah it’s probably his system settings then

[@gamersanditparadise]

Hey Tech notice, AMD in their Rx 7000 presentation showed lots of improvements to the media engine, dual decode and encode engines for HEVC, 264 and AV1. Also they showed off Smartaccess video which allows both cpu and GPU to decode/encode simultaneously. Any thoughts on RX7000?

[@balajig1261]

He will not reply to AMD features. He is biased to Intel and Nvidia. Unsubscribed already.

[@abdul-raheemmuhammad6409]

Great work, thanks. I would like to know the power consumption for gaming with the latest Intel and AMD CPUs?

[@The25sasa]

Hi! Which processor is better for cad/cam programming?I mean programs like SolidWorks,Catia,Mastercam....Intel i7 13700k or ryzen 7900x?

[@cortneywebb1677]

So on your video about the 7950x vs 13900k you didn't do this analysis of avg power consumption. I would be interested in knowing. Thank you!

[@supertiger2607]

Im a noob, but having used the 13700k on the PL2 setting on just gaming this week, I can confirm that the wattage is accurate when idling and when gaming it'll rarely hit over 120 watts. There are moments where it spikes to around 211- 240 watts but it's temporary. I'm currently researching undervolting, messing with msi motherboard modes to limit power, etc. Regardless with the cpu and my 240mm aio while gaming it'll be in the low 40s-high 50s, idle it will be in the 20s-low 30s. That's all related to fan curve though since I don't have them running past 70% unless the cpu hits 90 degrees running R23.

[@SixDasher]

Why are you buying a 13700K if you are going to cripple it so much? You are better off just getting a 12400F.

[@supertiger2607]

@@SixDasher I mean it’s running 5.3 all core at the moment, PL2 just limits it to 288 watts instead of unlimited. Having it unlimited is unnecessary and hardly gives a performance boost. I’d rather it reach 180-240 watts than be 320 watts with no performance difference at all.

[@jonjon3829]

@@SixDasher its a bad idea to run any cpu with unlimited power

[@michaelchoy177]

Can you please review the intel nuc 12 serpent canyon and maybe upgrade the cooling solution for a much lower temperature..

[@mandofan2616]

are there any good European sites like CCL. Can't buy from CCL because of Brexit.

[@napoficial7123]

Im gonna buy this cpu only for gaming. Would a Tuf 360 aio work well?

[@chibonchibon3967]

Great info on average power usage, I was suspicious but never really look into it, thanks again

[@infotainment9364]

Great video i watch all of your videos and actually wait for it. Recently i got debate with some people that ryzen is better over intel, despite me trying to explain they just kept sticking to their belief. I then showed your timeline comparison of 4k 60fps H.265 amd vs intel then it shut their mouth up 😀 it blew them!

[@girishchandra8996]

🔥

[@devilboykillz]

what one is better for dual 1440 p monitors when i game on one and watch youtube and stuff on the other while im gaming.

[@ermoro100]

@Tech Notice... @ 2:35 there is an error in the slide? On the chipset row... X570e instead X670e? Even motherboard pricing look higher for X5900x than X7900x.

[@theTechNotice]

Yes, it's a typo, should be x670e :)

[@hovasty]

Thank you! I was considering 7900x for my first PC for gaming and programming, mostly because of upradability but price of the platform, performance and power consumption is just way too much. It is also true that in 4 years there may be some new standards worth upgrading to and I know myself always wanting better and faster HW so I would probably switch the motherboard in that case anyway. GREAT REVIEW!

[@vMaxHeadroom]

Absolutly correct as someone who has owned Intel and AMD and someone who runs systems for 4 to 5 years, the upgrade path on the motherboard is not much of an issue especially with new features and functionality that come with new generations. Running a 13700K at the moment and it is beyond impressive. Really a 12900K on steriods but more effecient...whats not to like!

[@AL3XFPV]

Nice! Which Camera are you using? Best 4k quality Ive seen

[@theTechNotice]

Links in the description ;)

[@KartGuy76]

I’m interested to know why you use different PSU, coolers and NVMe drives for the various platforms in your testing. Would it not make more sense to reduce the variables and have more consistency by using as much of the same components across all your testing? Otherwise keep up the good work; really enjoying your channel. Cheers.

[@theTechNotice]

A lot of the testing happens at the same time and I don't have that many spares of same parts, so I'm using what I have. But PSU doesn't make a difference and neither do the ssds at that level :)

[@SixDasher]

PSU and cooling makes no difference unless they are trash to begin with. NVME is only relevant for load-times or writing big files for content creation, rendering etc. For gameplay it makes no difference over an antique SSD.

[@SHAWON-jl3jv]

Sir, if you can then please reply, I want to use 7900x on gigabyte ds3h motherboard because I get motivated by seeing your and hardware unboxed content where 35 b650 motherboard are tested with 7950x, I want to know specifically from u can I pair Ryzen 9 7900x with gigabyte b650 ds3h motherboard? And use ak620 as cooler with this pair? If u can then please reply to my comment....

[@Jason_Bover9000]

Nice video man

[@IrocZIV]

Thanks for covering memory controller info. Would be interesting to see benchmarks of the high end processors when loaded with 128GB of memory. How much better will that make Intel's CPUs over AMD?

[@anzaklaynimation]

Adding more ram to the system does not add a lot to the system performance. It is then the ram speed which can further push the CPU performance (but only to some extent).

[@IrocZIV]

@@anzaklaynimation That depends on if you ares running out of ram or not. I've pushed up to 64GB, which will start causing issues. But now, instead of going for a full 128GB, I think I'll go up to 96GB, since you can do that with just 2 sticks. Just sucks, because I won't be able to use the 2 I already have.

[@KartikJayaraman79]

Very well presented. I loved your older video too when you mentioned this about the 12th gen intel vs amd 5 series. I can confirm that even the 3950x is a power hog at idle, especially with the high end motherboards like the Crosshair hero viiii, which pump too much idle voltage by default. Looking at the current review, 13700K is actually a good spot for creators who leave their servers running 24x7 with plex for example

[@theTechNotice]

Same I'm currently using my 3950x and I'm gonna switch just because of the electricity bill on its own :)

[@SonicEldorado]

Hello, thinking abtut cancelling my order of the 7900x if this is not related to an initial win 11 issue. Would be interesting to know if it’s the same on win 10. Was fully convinced of the 13700k until I opted for the 7900x due to the newer Plattform, good performance and the new (temporary?) pricing…

[@SonicEldorado]

As for the methodology please consider comparing the actual Energy consumption (Wh), not power consumption (W) through a typical working load scenario. If a render is computed faster with higher power consumption it might still yield lower energy consumption, this is what we pay for (€/kWh). Someone who doesnt turn off their pc without utilising it, will off course consume more energy due to higher Idle power consumption.

[@thefluxlife]

Re: AMD for future upgrades, I came to the same conclusion as you regarding future boards/platforms. Just looking at the differences between X370 and X570 offered a lot of insight. What bothers me most is that the newest boards on AMD or Intel barely have any PCIe expansion that are reasonably priced for the features you get. There are not too many ways to upgrade features of your platform in the future. So many lanes have been dedicated to loads of onboard m.2 drives. I know I am probably in the minority but I wish there was a prosumer HEDT-like board with one or two m.2 onboard to the CPU but then dedicate other lanes to high-speed USB/thunderbolt and PCIe expansion.

[@theTechNotice]

Yeah, exactly!

[@DJRYGAR1]

pci lanes are configurable and usually the same lanes can be used EITHER to plug m2 OR pci card (not both at same time). There is usually plenty of USB and it is either easilly expandable via hub or PCI card. You may want next gen Threadripper if you want more.

[@snapcitymedia]

W680 was possibly the answer to this but there are barely any mobos available

[@annebokma4637]

Upgraded my am4 platform CPU got a new lease of live. Going am5 when 8000 is released. Will buy a 7000 CPU then. Platform cost should be lower by then too and second hand is always nice price.

[@AzogDefilerFromMordor]

Great video. Thank you. what about trying 13th gen with 700 chipsets that are ment for it?

[@theTechNotice]

Well there's no chipset really 'meant for 13th gen' z790 just have abit more connectivity... z690 is perfectly fine as well! :)

[@AzogDefilerFromMordor]

@@theTechNotice thank you

[@Wimpelmann]

@@theTechNotice for the 13700 you need to update the bios first, not every board can do that without cpu.

[@sergiosanchez2012]

The upgradabilty of AMD is not a trivial thing to consider, I have 6pcs for content creation 3 on Ryzen 1st gen and 2 in Intel and 1 Threadripper. The Ryzens we're easily upgraded to Ryzen 5000 and everything is performing great and theres nothing compelling on the x570 mobos over the x370 that justify the upgrade. Just throw in a couple of hundres and you're good to go for another two years. In the case of the Intels 9th gen, they are paperweights now, I had to build complete new systems to upgrade. Same with the Threadripper since the cost of the CPU is still so high that You can get cpu, mobo and ddr5 for the same price

[@thefrecklepuny]

Just upgraded to the 7900 (non-X) from a 5700G for ££370. I would suggest the plain vanilla 7900 if not too fussed with overclocking. Esp as the 7900 can be overclocked anyway and uses a LOT less power.

[@liljaeger2k]

Still 88w while overclocking. If I'm not wrong.

[@liljaeger2k]

Does it have a gpu ? If yes then how does it perform?

[@terrycadd9281]

interested to see the overclock scores for intel , how fast can they go with dry ice

[@samrotolo7303]

21:10 This makes the most sense to me. Thank you.

[@Ku6epIIe4eHe7]

Thanks for showing the minimum power draw which matters significantly.

[@ZzzZzz-gk4bo]

Please which one is better in gaming and work..etc 7900x or 13600k ? If they have similar price

[@Riyozsu]

7900x in overall everything

[@jakobw135]

Does AMD use fewer checksums than Intel, and if so, can this result in execution errors? Is AMD more compatible with Linux than Intel?

[@michaelthompson9798]

Tbh unless your running multiple rigs in a professional/ prouder environment…. Power isn’t much concern imo. Also both AMD Ryzen 7000 and Intel 12/13th Gen when tweaked a little can maintain 97%+ performance for a modest power drop which makes both setups a vg choice for those wanting to dip into production workloads or do it professionally. But I agree it’s inter3sting that Intel in general can use let’s power at the cpu level 👍😇

[@michaelthompson9798]

*production …. Not prouder ….. damn autocorrect 🙈🤦‍♀🤦

[@djenk12345]

I run 4x16 6000mhz corsair on my asus tuf gaming with ryzen 7900x with no problem i benchtest with 2 and 4 sticks and it was almost the same very very close so no problem here eventhough i have read many have problems with 4xsticks in ryzen 7000 series

[@chrisbullock6477]

Platform difference isn't as much an issue as Tech Reviewers are making it. Its only and issue for a small percentage. Regardless there's a cost to the upgrade path depending on which platform you currently have and which one you want to move up to. Its a mute point.

[@ChinchillaBONK]

Moot point not mute

[@tilapiadave3234]

yes , we simply CANNOT have the REALITY that Intel is vastly superior ,,, the world could be flooded by AMD fan-boy tears :)

[@syncmonism]

@@tilapiadave3234 "vastly superior"... Sure... sure. Intel is definitely competitive in terms of price and performance, and can be better for certain workloads, but if you start talking about Intel being "vastly superior" in general, you're the one being a massive fanboy here.

[@upfront2375]

​@@syncmonism Toyota makes better cars than Kia. Pointing out the *"FACT"* doesn't mean fanboying

[@squatch545]

@@syncmonism Which workloads are Intel better at, and which workloads are AMD better at?

[@mediawow6917]

how about power consumption normalized to performance?

[@pentaborg871]

Intel's 13th gen stuff, as impressive as it is, future upgrade-ability is so much more important.

[@lycanthoss]

Upgradeability is irrelevant to most people. Most people remain on the same platform for 5+ years and then just get a decent midrange product and sit on it for another 5+ years.

[@Ray2001ify]

Been watching all your stuff coz I'm looking to upgrade, but the amd motherboard cost so much, is there a way to tell how much power you would use in a year, I did some math on a 13700k, didn't seem that bad but maybe I messed up the math

[@yukisnoww]

intel motherboards aint cheap either...

[@SamLoki]

@@yukisnoww Even if Intel motherboards are more expensive (which they are not), you would need to pay for a 7900x ($549) to match 13700k ($420) and doesn't even overtake it even if 13700k was on much cheaper DDR4. There is no efficiency advantage either for AMD, nor is there a cooling advantage. The only thing you can really give it is being able to use a better CPU released 3 years later on the same motherboard (but then lol why buy this dog zen 4 lineup in the first place) and you still would've forked over more money that even selling a z690/z790 in 3 years at a loss doesn't even take a pricing advantage.

[@robertmyers6488]

Also, what are the power settings of each system set at.

[@theTechNotice]

Balanced.

[@chrisbullock6477]

Wish ASUS had a mini/micro atx version of the Creators MOB.

[@HDRPC]

I already knew Intel actual efficiency of Intel during actual work as i am following you since Intel 12 gen launch that is from October 2021. Best thing is Intel is on 10nm and everyone is saying Intel is going beyond nanometer in 2024 or 2025, Intel is going to be best efficient and most powerful chip in 2025. Intel already killing everyone I am using Intel 12600k since last 8 to 9 months and i am very happy.

[@HoshPak]

Yeah, future-proving or following a long-term upgrade path for that matter is a mute point. You buy whatever is the overall best deal at the time. For me, that has been the 13700K and a DDR4 motherboard, allowing me to keep my existing RAM kit. I don't see much of a point having DDR5, as of right now as the performance improvement is negligible. There is so much cache on these modern CPUs that it hardly matters. And there's still some upgrade potential left with max. 128 GB RAM capacity and PCIe 5.0 for SSDs. Especially the latter one could be potentially good thanks to direct access by the GPU, completely bypassing RAM and its slow bus, anyway. It feels like RAM is becoming more and more meaningless as NVMe is closing in on its bandwidth and latency as well as bypassing RAM/CPU as a bottleneck. The only roadblock is software compatibility.

[@kognak6640]

I'm pretty sure no DDR4 LGA1700 board has PCIe 5.0 M.2 slots. Intel CPUs provide just 16 5.0 lanes and only expensive high end DDR5 boards have option to use them other than top x16 slot(5.0 lane switches are pricey).

[@boonedawg1506]

You should rerun these with eco mode and undervolting.

[@coccosoids]

A bit naive this review on the 'mega transfers per second'... how did you come up with the 'much better' verdict? 400 is only 11% of 3600, so did you measure the impact of this in real life?

[@liftoffandtravel]

I want surprised at first when you said it's competitor was the 12700K 😱Then realised the 13700 wasn't out yet 😆. Currently having a huge debate because I have an i5 11400 for video editing. Problem being it's matched with a Nvidia 1650 super which can't be swapped out because the 'DELL' PSU is limited to 360 watt. So considering changing the whole system but torn between Ryzen and Intel

[@Bokehmo]

I wouldn't rely on a software readout of how much power is being used. Better to just check power draw at the socket to avoid any software related differences.

[@rollingr1535]

That power consumption shocked me! Great video!

[@evalangley3985]

You mean misleading? It is one specific Use Case with a software tailored toward the ADL uarch... in ST.

[@vdtb1758]

@@evalangley3985 yess, but you can see more case, gaming Intel still win

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

@@vdtb1758 not really, AMD has best value gaming CPUs like 5800x3d and 5600. 7700x can match 13700k and 7600x can beat 13600k. Only I9 can beat ryzen 9 at gaming.

[@cuongtang9539]

i bought an AMD product for the first tiime in my life. It was an 7900x (zen 4) i returned it because bios / TPM 2.0 problems - now i run a 13600k (Comming from a 9700k) and experienced no problems at all. IN MW2 the ryzen gets over 89 degrees. My new intel is at 54 degrees with more or less same performance (I just play video games).

[@lookin4talentt]

With a little bit of undervaluing you can improve the idle efficiency on AMD

[@rodsevilla7905]

I'll go for 13700k Electricity rate here in my country is ridiculous.

[@vMaxHeadroom]

Even if it was not, over the year and on average it will balance out any way with only a fractional difference. Yes I too have a 13700K and in the UK where prices for energy are a bit on the high side but boy do they make a mountain out of molehill on the effeciency side...

[@valensi1988]

This makes me even more convinced about the 13700K, especially the power consumption aggregate when averaging the data. Z690 are dropping in price, DDR5 is dropping in price, Cyber Monday is around the corner and you can spend all the savings from the CPU+MOBO+RAM on a better GPU.

[@chriswright8074]

He didn't test windows 10 which works better than 11 for Ryzen

[@cth3014]

Same, I am going to build my 13700K system in the coming weeks too~ The idle power consumption result, really really shocking~ As when people talk about power-saving, definitely think about AMD~ Watched dozens of benchmarking videos, none of them is telling me this~ Almost all of them just complaining how horrible is the peak consumption, which most of the people won't be performing that kind of tasks in daily life, except those need to work with blendering~

[@kwameryan]

Spot on video. Very helpful advice at the end about the step up to new tech in 4 years. I’m going with 13700K too. Thanks!

[@valensi1988]

@@cth3014 I am going to buy a 3090Ti so I'll have a 1000W PSU anyway, the power peaks do not scare me 😄

[@mikeramos91]

@@cth3014 yes that’s one of the factors I considering when upgrading. Decided to go with the 13700k. Idle power is better than RYZEN. But of course Intel can use more max power, but only if you need max power which I can’t imagine doing anytime soon

[@Jason_Bover9000]

I have 12600k its amazing I play around on cinebench r23 so cool

[@billnwa2250]

Thanks

[@TheAhanin]

I wish you could have put the Ryzen CPU on Eco Mode and then test it,

[@adelonicKitcreator]

loving my 7900x with nzxt b650e

[@adamricecracker7128]

Would be cool if you could add Handbrake test in the future.

[@zachhayes4954]

The pricing at the beginning have to be stated prices because I got my 13900k on launch day for $570 which is the right price for this comparison. You have to love Micro Center

[@HDRPC]

Same thing here in India also. All online websites offering same price as yours on the launch date and now they are more expensive

[@zachhayes4954]

@@HDRPC awesome and weird they did that. I would have expected the lower price later and not launch day. That pricing is why I ended up with Intel in my new build though.

[@HDRPC]

@@zachhayes4954 yes even i purchased 12600k at 25k include all taxes or 250 dollar in March 2022 now it is selling at 270 dollar. Same things with my cabinet.

[@Jason_Bover9000]

​@@HDRPC I have 12600k its really good

[@HDRPC]

@@Jason_Bover9000 same here bro

[@PhillipLemmon]

I'll stick with the 3900x,..... Don't know which gpu I'll use with it Cuz I'm NOT paying for a new one as this will be my VERY first pc build. I don't NEED new and shiny.... Just need it to work the way I want! Like and Subscribe!

[@101Xander]

You should've measured power consumption from the wall. Then you'd see that the minimums on the 13700k and 7900x aren't that much different

[@theTechNotice]

Have s look at my Ryzen 7000 vs Intel power consumption video ;)

[@nandarisya4255]

Please do the same test with 13900k and 7950x

[@theTechNotice]

Working on it!

[@cesar427]

Todo depende de los programas que elijas y cuantos items de cada programa tomes , sabiendo que algunos programas estan mas optimizados para cierta marca ya sabras los resultados

[@wojciechzielinski7825]

Maybe I am wrong, but on am5 I have much better organization of pcie, I actually can use 2 gpus with all m2 slots at full speed.

[@BigSaulo]

I got my 13700k at microcenter for $380. That works for me till I look to upgrade again in 2-3 years.

[@robertmyers6488]

Did you remember to disable the iGPU on the 7900x? It can push up to 65 watts on its own.

[@SixDasher]

It should not draw anything near that if you are not using it.

[@nicktayloriv310]

I've been in the PC game since the late 80's and I never thought I'd see the day where MoBo's cost more than CPU's!

[@MattHalpain]

Good to know about Intel's lower power consumption compared to AMD.

[@denvera1g1]

The lower idle power is not due to the hybrid core architecture unless you're measuring from the socket, it has to do with the platform. Even with Intel 6000 series idle power was generally around 5-18w from the wall if you were buying OEM(and depending on if it was a full sized desktop or small form factor using the same CPU), and AMD *can* sometimes be the same way from OEM. Idle power usage varries wildly when you start using DIY boards.

[@xzm996]

07:08 the efficiency of the 5900x is too much impressive

[@KartikJayaraman79]

Just note that the 5900X will still idle at higher power, especially with certain motherboards which supply higher voltage by default.

[@goregejones7248]

@@KartikJayaraman79 but if you enable Pbo2, it won't happen

[@KartikJayaraman79]

@@goregejones7248 Interesting, I didn't know about pbo2 since I am rocking a 3950X

[@goregejones7248]

@@KartikJayaraman79 yes, for 3000 series there is pbo , but I don't think it is as good as Pbo2 for 5000 series

[@florianristea]

I can compare quite well AMD vs Intel for productivity. At work I have an I9 and at home a Ryzen 9, the differences are huge in favor of AMD, the Intel cpu seems super slow, in Arnold Renderer it seemes like the intel cpu is lost in space, a lot of dead times and long render times compared to the Ryzen. So for productivity, rendering, modeling....AMD is better. For video editing,photo....i don't know.

[@gdfan618]

EZ SUBSCRIBE. BEST CHANNEL FOR ANYTHING RELATED TO THIS STUFF

[@Nayah9]

In the real world, Intel consuming ~40W less power than AMD on idle won't affect your electricity bill as much as you think. Let me explain: - Let's say you're leaving your PC on idle for 5 hours per day for a year (which is very unlikely). - 1kWh costs about 17 cents (€) on average in Europe. - 13700k will cost you €2.82/year whereas 7900x will cost you €16.44/year. That's only a €13.62 difference per year. - Now consider that AMD has up to 50% better load efficiency than Intel. - Also consider that AMD's 105W Eco mode draws 30% less power than stock on load while only losing a couple of % performance. Do you still think that Intel is the efficiency king for this generation? Some other AMD advantages that will be more relevant in the future: - Ryzen 7000 supports PCIe 5.0 speeds for both the SSD and GPU slots simultaneously while Raptor Lake only supports one PCIe 5.0 slot at a time (if one slot is occupied, the other will lower down to PCIe 4.0). - AMD's AM5 socket life is only beginning while Intel's LGA 1200 socket is dying. - AMD has AVX-512 support while Intel doesn't.

[@derptweaker945]

I'm working in UE5 and Blender 7900x is on ---> the way :D

[@singhsahab23075]

M1 pro 14 inch vs 13700k build... 🙏

[@bignicnrg3856]

Absolutely agree. Build for today when it comes to cpu & motherboard. If it works with something in the future then it's a bonus. No one knows what's in the pipeline.

[@feraskiki655]

Info here are irrelevent now. Price of 7900x is ~400$. There is 7900 which is far more efficient and almost just as strong.

[@nanezferrer3565]

Dude just get the bar chart when displaying the performance kinda hard to visualize the percentage difference lol

[@ashtonlipscomb1295]

finally some one who now how power consumption works

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Other youtubers should also show idle power consumption which intel does significantly better, but you won't see this behaviour in core heavy workloads that do use CPU closer to 100% where AMD wins ( like gaming, 3-d rendering etc. )

[@kkrolik2106]

Check Power draw on Wall Socked not via software this is not reliable data, and you waste time that way.

[@choppergirl]

SOny Movie Studio makes no use of the Intel iGPU meaning it has no advantage, and my operating system Windows 7 has no idea how to load balance a weird L shaped performace/efficiency core architecture... the 7950 is overpriced, so the 7900x instead is looking like best platform for video editing.

[@darkkingastos4369]

Please someone tell me why he's listing 500 dollar mobos for the ryzen 5900x? 200 dollar mobos for the 5900x will get you pretty much the same performance considering you would be looking to make a low budget build for that chip. Just get a b550 for the ryzen 5900x. You can use the extra cash for more ram or a better gpu..

[@LatinLegacyNY]

What’s crazy about these test is that he used ram that actually gimped the performance of the 13700K lol. If you were to pair that CPU with a higher end motherboard capable of pushing higher clock speeds with Hynix A die memory, the results would of been even better. RL scales incredibly well with quality memory. So don’t cheap out on it.

[@SixDasher]

This is not an overclock channel.

[@finny3953]

Undervolted my 7900x and I am getting same performance drawing ppt of 150w

[@sunnyhawkadventures864]

Any plans on building a Ryzen system to see if the claims of 8k with the Samsung monitor is possible?

[@theTechNotice]

If I get the GPU and the Monitor, let's go!

[@balajig1261]

What do you have against AMD? You got AMD Bulldozer processor before and regretted? I agree most things you said correct. I got to understand how intel is efficient in idle tasks power consumption from your video. But why someone has to chose Intel which is on average performs same or very specific instance better. But with AMD, anyone will get the option to upgrade to CPU which has hybrid cores in future and can performs equal to intel competition in at that time, and not to worry on bulk upgrade cost. These additional motherboard features you are talking about, less than 1% of people will upgrade for those features. That they will do anyway if they wanted something badly.

[@MiMTUL]

That's weird! All videos I saw from tech reviewers stated that the Rizen CPUs power consumption was better than Intel. Now I'm confused.

[@bagman5369]

Because they use Amd eco mode bro. Other youtuber guy test it using 105watts, amd drops 40%-10% performance depends in use case.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

They only compare peak power and sustained power not Idle or single core ( where intel wins at least in desktops).

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

@@bagman5369 Not really, Gamers nexus mentioned a 250w power consumption for Ryzen 7950x when no power limits were applied. LTT also stated peak power at around 208w.

[@mattk6827]

They show peak power. What's being shown here is real world usage which doesn't keep the cpu's at 100% load all the time. Real world use cases see usage fluctuate and between tasks the cpu is nearly idling. Intel drops much lower than amd so even if amd is slightly more efficient max load, it's less efficient and lower loads. And the total overall shows intel more efficient. The problem with charts and everything else, they can always be skewed. If when someone turned on their pc the cpu was automatically 100% load all the time, sure amd would be more efficient. But that's not realistic. Basing everything off 100% power draw is only half the story. Just like nvme drives, the gen 4's are constantly touting 7000-7300mb/s speeds. Which it is, in short bursts. Move larger data sets and watch that 7300mb/s drop to under 3500-3000mb/s once it runs out of faster cache buffer. Or advertising high data speeds while quietly mentioning lower iops.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

@@mattk6827 Ironically, in laptops AMD has lower performance than intel at higher power, but wins in battery life and low power levels.

[@jmxtoob]

I'm super interested in these results because I'm going to build my first machine in years, and was pretty convinced that Zen 4, especially in eco mode, is the efficiency king. Now your channel has me questioning that assumption - have you wondered why you seem to have got dramatically different results than most other reviews at this point?

[@pentaborg871]

Yea i've noticed this too. I don't want to assume he's a biased reviewer, maybe there is something wrong with his test system on AMD's side.

[@cesar427]

Intel lo patrocina

[@vMaxHeadroom]

The only thing that bothers me on the new Ryzen's is why buy a top end chip and then run it in Eco mode? Yes Intel will use more power during burst and sustained workloads but on average in the long run it will balance out especially with the e-cores taking over for the background and low power foreground tasks. As importantly I do want my CPU to give me max performance that it is caabable of as I did after all pay the money for the performance. Yes I can and do undervolt but only to the point of max performance at lowest vcore which at a max 1.270v for a sustained 5.4Ghz all P core and 4.4GHz all e-core is exceptional on my 13700K. Averages for my rendering workloads is well within norms for effeciency vs performance and i will take the extra minutes shaved off any day...

[@jmxtoob]

@@vMaxHeadroom sure but it's a question of diminishing returns. Often we're talking about 50% increases in power usage for 5% gains. (Or 50% savings for a 5% less) A couple of years ago, this was the technique of overclockers but now it's the practice of the manufacturers to ship (especially their flagship products) in this way out-of-the-box because of the halo effect of having their graphics card or CPU at the top of the charts for a few months. Now you're looking at it as cutting the performance you paid for, when a year ago you'd ask whether it was worth the power bill for that tiny return. Nvidia's 4090, and the top parts from Zen 4 and Intel 12 and 13th generation all seem to follow this trend. I really like the approach this channel has taken, because, as he points out, peak usage for burst workloads doesn't match how most people use the computer. I would argue the results @Tech Notice uses aren't close to real world either. For example, when I use Photoshop, most of the time the computer is waiting for me because from the human standpoint 99% of operations are instant, unlike the benchmarks that spend 10 minutes applying the heaviest filters and layer effects, but it's a start

[@jmxtoob]

@@pentaborg871 exactly my thoughts. Could be a symptom of early drivers, eg. Something is at full power despite the lighter load, or the CPU doesn't drop frequency as rapidly. Easy to forget the difference in maturity between the platforms. The AMD platform is weeks old, and there were a couple of power related bios updates in the first week I was waiting for the prices to drop a little before pulling the trigger, and this review has made me consider waiting for the power to drop, too

[@SamLoki]

Both 12700k and 13700k can OC way harder than 7900x. A lot easier gains if you want to sacrifice efficency

[@alrizo1115]

7900x now is ~$405 while 13700k is ~$460. My question is, can 7900x paired with B650 be stable and perform as well as in a X670?

[@dr_milkshake19]

It's exclusively power delivery at point. I have a b650 with mine with no problem

[@vMaxHeadroom]

Finally some reality for mix workloads with averages for power usage which will be the norm for most across AMD and Intel CPU's. Yes the burst and constant max load workloads will drive more power and less effeciency on Intel but that tends to be made up in performance and averages out to parity in the long run anyway. The e-cores are actually very, very good.

[@bingbing3464]

Actually, even the previous gens of intel have better idle power consumption than AMD. The problem started with the chiplet architecture zen3 having the IO die constantly drawing 30w-40w. As a person who never turn off the PC, swapping to intel last year because of USB woes on zen2 and 3, i kinda saved hundreds from bills which is ironic because AMD boasts efficiency.

[@finestPlugins]

Apparently one of the two chips on the X670e alone is responsible for 10-15W of power draw. If we're lucky then AMD will be able to reduce that in the future with better drivers and firmware - assuming it's a priority for them.

[@theTechNotice]

Interesting, where did you find that info?

[@finestPlugins]

@@theTechNotice German print magazine c't. They basically compared idle power use of X to B boards.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

It has also got to do with the facts like USB 4.0, infinity fabric, more cache and more PCIe lanes. AMD should've used 5nm IO die instead of 6.

[@finestPlugins]

@@theTechNotice Another, if minor, factor is XMP/EXPO. Here's the numbers on idle (no XMP/EXPO) though: Asrock B650 Pro RS: 28W Asus Prime B650M-A WIFI: 36W Gigabyte X670E Aorus Master: 43W MSI Pro B650-P WIFI: 29W Since the VRMs on all boards must be able to supply up tp 230W, that can't be it either. Granted, they all have different features, but there's still a difference of 7-15W I also suspect all of these are without a GPU. For reference, previous gen with a B chipset and an APU could be run at around 15W idle. Edit: Using DDR5-5200, XMP/EXPO adds between 0-5W depending on the board for 32GB in a dual kit.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

@@theTechNotice It is quite true that AMD consumes more power in single core workloads and idle but if you're going with Intel you still have to get better cooling system and PSU compared to AMD in order to avoid throttling when rendering. Sill, great video.

[@markdalbey]

Is it really such a good idea to support a socket for five years? In defense of the Intel two and out policy, is it really a good idea to spend all that money on a 5950x and put it on a B350 motherboard? CPU technology is not the only thing that is making big leaps every year. I built a 10th generation Intel and it was not gen4 compatible. When I built a 12th gen Intel I put a gen4 drive on it. Who knows what new peripherals will out when I build my next computer?

[@evalangley3985]

If you take into account that more than 60% of the CPU sales are for Ryzen 5000 ATM... then yeah, it makes perfectly frigging sense...

[@kovafilms]

Its saved me hundreds of dollars. Ive had the same x370 board since 2017. I could drop a 5900x into it right now and would see the same performance compared to a modern motherboard. Having the choice is what matters to me. A b350 with a 5950x makes a lot of sense if you are on a budget, need the power and don't want to spend hundreds on a x570 with features you don't need or will use.

[@markdalbey]

@@kovafilms The 5900x introduced at 549.00 and the 5950 x introduced for 799.00. I understand they have come down recently, but for the majority of their life they were 549.00 and 799.00 respectively. Maybe they are, but I do not think that they are the type of person that spends those kinds of prices on a CPU, is on a budget and looking to save money on their motherboard. Maybe you are, but I don't think they are. A person who spends 799.00 on a CPU is building a 3,000.00 computer and saving 300.00 on their motherboard does not matter to them. They just want the greatest and the greatest is not an x370.If you were talking about a 5600 that might be different, but you mentioned 5900x and 5950x and not a 5600.

[@markdalbey]

@@evalangley3985 Have you tried to put a Ryzen 5000 series CPU in a 300 series motherboard? I understand it can be done, but it isn't very stable, it isn't easy, and why? I don't know about you, if I am building a computer that uses a 5000 series CPU, I want gen 4 drives and 10gb USB and 300 series motherboards don't have those. My point is CPUs are not the only thing to get better every year. If you are not looking for better, why are you building with a 5000 series CPU? Why spend the money on a new computer when your old computer will do what you want your computer to do?

[@kovafilms]

@@markdalbey I have not tried a 5000 series cpu in a 300 board. Mostly because I already have 3000 series and since the knew AM5 platform is out it would be a waste to buy a 5000. From what I know it's just another bios update. Thats just what I did and then I just dropped in my 3900xt, it works great haha. And my crosshair hero mobo has two 10 gbit usb ports. Yes it doesn't have gen 4 but gen 3 is was pretty fast for me for 6 years haha. I'm just saying you don't have to be on the bleeding edge of tech all the time, unless you got big pockets and time to do that. Regardless unless your that person there's "new tech" all the time, this is for the companies to make profit but realistically you compromise where you need to. I care about raw power as a creator. Usb 4.0 wont stop me from my edit, but live playback and render times will. so if I'm able just to drop in new video cards and CPUs without changing my mobo every other year. Count me in haha.